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Sheryl
- 1509 days ago - livingunderdrones.org
There is strong evidence to suggest that US drone strikes have facilitated recruitment to violent non-state armed groups, and motivate attacks against both US military and civilian targets. Rethinking of current policies is long overdue.



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Arlene C (34)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 5:39 am
read and thank Dandelion
 

Animae C (516)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 5:48 am
Thank You Dande!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:44 am
Thx Sheryl Fat chance in hell they will ever rethink their policy. I am convinced that the US is hellbent to maintain what they call the war on terror, knowing it is PRODUCING more terror and they just love their drones. The MIC is too powerful and they're all its puppets. I've given up all hope for a chance for change and peace in the world, that is not what the ruling elites want. Nobody has found a way to break through this shield of secrecy as of yet and I doubt there will EVER be any kind of transparency on this program.
 

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:48 am
This is mental torture what is done to the people in Pakistan. Living in constant fear that one might get bombed is terrible. God help us if they will ever decide to do the same to us.
PEACE!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:20 am
I have been saying this for a while. Noted and Thanks!
 

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:51 am
I'm afraid you are correct Angelika, but I can't roll over yet, I look into the eyes of my 6 year old Grandchild, how do I stop shouting for others to wake up. Keep speaking out on it Roberto, we need every voice.
 

Mandi T (367)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 11:42 am
Noted ty Sheryl
 

jan b (5)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 12:39 pm
Don't harbor terrorists then and there will be no use for drones. I prefer having unmanned vehicles than risking our young people ...
 

LaurenBackSoon Kozen (173)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 12:40 pm
Noted & Shared. Thanks Sheryl.
 

Jason R (67)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 12:43 pm
Obama has MIC McCain up in ARMS over his attempts at reverting from the MIC. Democrats get a lot of resistance from the Hawks on the right. keep up the good, progressive fight! We don't NEED to remain arrogant.
 

marie C (163)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 1:14 pm
Noted Thanks Dandelion
 

Jamie Clemons (282)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 1:32 pm
Of course that was their plan all along to perpetuate an endless war of terror.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 4:40 pm
Jan I suggest you do some extra reading about the drone program as it is harming our soldiers through PTSD. We also have by accident or otherwise have killed American citizens. How do we know these places are harboring terrorist, so much done in secret.

Even we Americans have been labeled potential terrorist by NDAA and NSA. A neighbor that borrows a cell phone or a child that finds one to play with can become the target of the drone strike. The drone locks onto cell phone, the target person is not always the one that is holding the cell phone at that time. You have a lot to learn.
 

James Travers (6)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 4:46 pm
jan b... Doesn't sound like you read the article. According to US policy there are terrorists EVERYWHERE. If you are a 15 to infinity male and are killed by a drone strike, you are a possible terrorist according to our rules.
You're right. We shouldn't risk our young people. That's exactly why we need to rethink our drone policy. We are creating scores of people who hate us for every one innocent person we kill with a drone.

By the way, a mother who has to bury her child who was killed by a drone and had nothing to do with any "terror" plot against us or anyone else might have an opinion as well.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:01 pm
Thank you DandeLION~ I have watched so many video about this I am ready to blow! I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN ... whoever feels offended by my comment bring it on!
On a more civilized note I would like to share Angelica's post as I agree with EVERYTHING, although I WILL NOT THROW IN THE TOWEL!
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:44 am
"... Fat chance in hell they will ever rethink their policy. I am convinced that the US is hellbent to maintain what they call the war on terror, knowing it is PRODUCING more terror and they just love their drones. The MIC is too powerful and they're all its puppets. I've given up all hope for a chance for change and peace in the world, that is not what the ruling elites want. Nobody has found a way to break through this shield of secrecy as of yet and I doubt there will EVER be any kind of transparency on this program."
I can or will not give up HOPE. I couldn't live with my SELF due to all the years in the past I was burnt out and became apathetic. Most of us have at one point or another, especially when times are fat. I know many who have just had to take a break, be it a year or five due to such stress. There is no judgement here. WHAT IF we didn't allow this BRILLIANTLY LAID OUT POWER to come to the situation we find in all aspects? That is the guilt I feel myself whether it be true or not. For this reason alone I will never loose HOPE again!
 

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:10 pm
While this study is old news, the site nevertheless serves as a good primer with excellent resources for those not yet familiar with the study or wanting to become better informed. This is also a good companion piece to another excellent, more current news submission Dandelion posted today on this topic:

First Australians Ever to Have Been Killed by Drones
 

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:22 pm
@Angelica R., Susanne P.--
I think there is some reason for hope, as drone strikes and drone victims have been on the decrease. President Obama has also talked about possibly ending our so-called "war on terror." I think the MIC does play some role, but what mostly drives things like our drone program and NSA overreaches (and the former torture program) is the politics of fear. No President wants another 9/11 to occur on their watch, and there is still a substantial proportion of the population that supports such strong security measures. I think most of us here disagree with these policies on both moral and practical levels, but the trick is convincing enough of the public to agree such measures can be counterproductive and carry too high of a cost.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:24 pm
Thank you Bruce as I appreciate the link.

Individuals who are not clearly participating in armed combat are entitled by international law to a presumption of civilian status, which signature strikes effectively deny by classifying unknown people as "militants" and therefore "targetable" based on secret intelligence, of unknown accuracy, that their behavior or appearance is judged to be "typical of militants." Signature strikes have led to a high proportion of civilian casualties, which violates international law. U.S. refusal to acknowledge the potential harm to civilians can increase blowback from impacted communities and denies victims the justice they deserve. ‘Signature’ drone strikes pose the greatest risk of killing civilians, are the most dubious legally, and create tremendous blowback against America.

Tell Congress to move now to end these signature strikes, save innocent lives, protect America from the blowback of killing innocent civilians, and restore the rule of law.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 9:48 pm
Noted.
 

SusanAWAY A (219)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 11:44 pm
Noted and shared. As I said somewhere else, we are making more terrorists in the world with these drones and our war on terror, thereby making the world a much more dangerous place in which to live for all of us.

People who think this is okay, that somehow these people are inviting this sort of attack, might want to take a step back and put themselves in these people's shoes and imagine what it would be like to go to bed in your own home, with your family close by and wake up (if you aren't immediately killed) to a drone striking your home, destroying it, and probably killing some, if not all, of your immediate family.

These people just want to live like you or I do. It isn't particularly their fault that a war is happening in their country, but they are the ones suffering because of it. Their country is being destroyed; their friends and family are dying; they are being driven from their homes; food is scarce; medicine is scarce. I mean, what would you do in their shoes?

Think about your ability to stop anything that our government is doing and don't even think about saying these people who are suffering have control over their government to stop anything. They are simply stuck in a living hell not of their making.

I'm disgusted with our country for being the world's bully.
 

Giana P (398)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 2:56 am
The whole world is going crazy, fear creates aggression.l..
 

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Past Member (0)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 4:14 am
I agree with you Giana :) But this madness we try to prevent, right? :)
 

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 4:43 am
@SuSanne P.--
Thanks for the link to the petition. Signed, of course. I think drone strikes as employed now are generally all bad, but even more heinous than "signature" strikes are the so-called "double tap" drone strikes, which target those coming to the aid of any whom may be injured, and also describes the targeting of funerals for slain victims of previous drone strikes. Apparently, since there has been little news of them of late, these have been curtailed, presumably because the human-rights violations are more obvious, the public outcry more vociferous, the potential for blowback even more clear. For more information about "double-tap" drone strikes, this is a good piece by Glenn Greenwald:

U.S. Again Bombs Mourners
 

Don H (45)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 7:22 am
If a US drone strike killed your family and friends it would make you an instant enemy.

Maybe that's the objective. We won already. We no longer have any big nation-sized military threats. How can we ever justify outspending the rest of the world on the military? So we generate enemies.

Think about the US Navy as an example. The US has 10 aircraft carriers. The rest of the combined world has 11. And most of those aircraft carriers are owned and operated by US "allies". Yet the government is perfectly willing to ignore the well being of the citizenry in education and health—the general welfare.
 

Don H (45)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 7:26 am
Thank you, Dandelion.

I appreciate your efforts in support of a reasonable future.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 7:39 am
I am sad to admit this but it makes me asks who are the terrorists the people these drones are meant for or the ones that send them out to kill innocent people
 

Shaheen N (64)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 12:07 pm
Thank you, Sheryl, I appreciate your efforts in highlighting the damage being done by Drones.

 

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday May 30, 2014, 5:30 pm
Noted, and just adding my thanks for posting this, Dandelion. I am against drones. Besides the murder of innocents, just flying in the skies makes them dangerous for commercial aircraft. Not to even mention the enormous amount of our tax dollars going to these programs when they could be so beneficial in other areas like education and infrastructure for starters.
 

Diane K (134)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 7:47 am
It's so sad to see kids are being killed with these strikes. noted
 

Judy C (97)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 8:35 pm
This is an issue I have been following for quite some time. Drones terrorize so many innocent people, and I'm glad you are presenting this information, Dandelion. We hardly even pretend to be the good guys anymore, it seems.
 

MmAway M (507)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 3:02 am
I just did a Heavy Sign...Thus no words all said above....
 

Gina Caracci (219)
Monday June 16, 2014, 12:45 pm
war is money
so unless something drastic changes, it will never stop
 
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