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America's New War in Iraq Quietly Escalating Without Congress


World  (tags: Rachel Maddow, Iraqi, Yazidis, ISIS, Congress, President Obama, military, constitutional autopilot, boots on the ground )

Dandelion
- 71 days ago - msnbc.com
Rachel Maddow reports on progress toward the goal of deterring ISIS and aiding Iraqi Yazidis as the U.S. military presence in Iraq grows and Congress shows no sign of asserting itself, leaving the process on "constitutional autopilot."



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Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:27 am
I just want it to end
 

AniMae Chi (415)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 3:09 am
This loud mouthed woman can rant all she wants about red-tape constitutional c---p,
President Obama is doing the right compassionate thing!
Wasn't this whole mess this country is in started by Bush, anyway?

Sorry Sheryl, i had to force myself to listen to her rahhh, rahhh, rahhh, for 16 whole minutes,
geez i've got a headache.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 6:02 am
I want it to end as well Rose, all wars everywhere, seems the whole world is afire.



 

Winn Adams (194)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 6:45 am
It seems to me of late no matter what country you hear about there is violence. Wars are not the answer, violence is not the answer. Respecting each other would go along way to stop violence and ending discrimination against women and girls could change our world for the better overnight. If we stopped using "religion" as an excuse for wars and violence a lot of this would stop today.
 

Don H. (41)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 6:50 am
Thank you, Dandelion.
 

SuSanne P. (183)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 7:01 am
TY Dandelion. This is the 3rd time I have listened to my revered Ms. Rachael and am saddened to hear anyone support Iraq #3!
"Red-tape constitutional c--p"??? This saddens me as well.
NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND?
Unsigned amounts of troops WITH NO CEILING written by our President???
1,000 troops in 59 days...ahhh, the magic moment to pretty much assure what the small print President Obama sent to Congress was all about! Silent but deadly we'll soon see. To me, it confirms his words, "I don't think we're going to solve this in WEEKS".
I haven't the energy to say more than I JUST WANT IT TO END AS WELL LADIES. I've said that every day since the 60's and will until my last breath.
With ALL DUE RESPECT to everyone's personal beliefs, many of us respect Ms. Rachael.
 

JL A. (275)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 7:59 am
I can only be comfortable with boots on the ground if it is like the Navy Seals Operation against Ben Lauden--quick in to rescue and then leave immediately after.
 

Kathleen Mireault (78)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 8:01 am
Noted, with a heavy heart. Thanks, Dandelion. The words "military advisors" make me cringe!
 

GGmaSheila D. (172)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 10:34 am
Why am I not surprised...
 

Birgit W. (147)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 11:20 am
PEACE!
 

Brian M. (201)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 11:30 am
There is no surprise in any of this. Even thought so many of us in '08 voted for the progressive idealism of candidate Obama, what we all got was a pro-Big Oil, pro-TPP, pro-war President Obama. And, we can expect even more of the same if warmonger Hillary Clinton ever gets in office. We have to stop kidding ourselves: the two party system is a capitalist cabal designed to dupe the American people into choosing what benefits the oligarchs the most, not the people. We have to stop voting capitalist. #VoteGreen #UniteGreen
 

Angelika R. (142)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 11:37 am
I do wonder what's the mission of those "military advisors"-which are of course boots on the ground- other than securing Kurdistan's /Erbil's oil..
 

Brian M. (201)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 11:40 am
Apparently, Americans learned nothing from their humiliating defeat in Vietnam. They need to repeat the lesson. Iraq is just another #quagmire
 

Angelika R. (142)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 11:41 am
..plus securing Americans' lives, such as Exxon and Chevron staff...plus some diplomatic staff which could as well be evacuated..
 

Mandi T. (429)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 12:36 pm
Stop the madness!!
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 1:15 pm
I like Rachel. She's absolutely right on the point of law. I don't want another ground war in Iraq. But I don't want those poor people on that mountain murdered either. And that is what ISIL is doing as it sweeps through northern Iraq. It is such a horrible situation. Do we just let genocide happen? Do we abandon our embassy personnel there? Do we pull them all out and let ISIL have Iraq because Iraqi forces cannot stop them, they have failed every time they tried. Do we then turn a blind eye to the beheadings that follow? If you see a murder happening in front of you is it morally okay to just turn and go the other way so you don't get involved? The President should call Congress back to deal with this rather than their annual August vacation. But Congresses have been loathe to accept any kind of role in matters like these. They prefer to point fingers after everyone is dead and tell the world what our leader should have done. But those people will still be dead. And that is just okay with everyone here? Because it isn't our lives at risk? When they have come for the whole world and we have done nothing, who is left to speak for us, when they come for us? That's a restatement of something written in WWII. The leader of ISIL has vowed to plant the flag of the Caliphate in the White House. Do you think he doesn't mean that? All that is required foe evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Is that what we are? Good people willing to watch genocide happen and do nothing but wring our hands and say, what a terrible thing. As a veteran, I feel an obligation to our troops, to our country. I don't want more war, but sometimes people of peace are called upon to defend the defenseless or lose their own humanity. I don't know if this is one of those times, but I think it feels that way to the Yazidi people trapped on Sinjar mountain.
 

Dave C. (216)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:07 pm
definitely a concern.......unfortunately, I don't think there are many good options......
 

Dave C. (216)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:11 pm
....I will just say that up until now, Mr. Obama has been very good at keeping, and getting, the US out of war...or getting "boots on the ground".....I will continue to have trust...until he fails..............for those who have been entirely against any action......can you explain what you would rather we as a country do????.....should we just be letting these people die???? I can't answer that myself.....but not as 'certain' about my thoughts as so many people....
 

Lone F. (32)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:34 pm
An excellent job by Rachel Maddow. Thanks for sharing, Dandelion
 

Stardust Noel (54)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:50 pm
I agree with Gene Jacobson & Dave C.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 2:56 pm
The world tried appeasing a monster in the 1930's. That didn't turn out very well. I'm afraid this isn't going to either.
 

Nelson Baker (0)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 3:35 pm
Noted.
 

AniMae Chi (415)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 3:41 pm

i think there are many who do not understand, i wonder if they've watched the 5 part series of videos Dandelion has posted recently about the Islamic State?

Part one;
http://www.care2.com/news/member/901507364/3794087
 

marie c. (168)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 5:41 pm
I totally agree with you Gene also its not going to turn out wellI
I love my SuSanne P if there were more in the world like her there would be no wars but sadly she is in the minority so much evil around the world and growing
What a world for our grandchildren
Please God make things change
 

Bruce C D. (74)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 5:50 pm
The sad fact is that the U.S. and the U.K. were all gung-ho to knock Humpty-Dumpty off the wall with their illegal invasion of Iraq under the Bush administration, and their rampant hubris prevented the obvious from being seen, which is that all the king's horses and all the king's men were going to have a very difficult time patching Humpty-Dumpty back together again. As bad as Saddam was, far more Iraqi's are being killed and suffering than occurred under all the years of Saddam's rule--a substantial number of those were at the hands of the U.S.

Of course, U.S. support for the Syrian rebels has also been instrumental in contributing to the rise of ISIL. It's deja-vu all over again. We apparently didn't learn our mistake yet from al-Qaeda. Well, you know what they say, "Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it." Or, one could invoke the one about the best-laid plans of mice and men. Perhaps the most apt might be the one about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. The Iraqi Prime Minister also rightly deserves a good share of blame, too, because if his administration had been more inclusive in sharing power, it would have been much less likely for ISIL to have garnered much support or made much headway in Iraq.
 

Aurea Walker (208)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 6:03 pm
War is NOT the answer. Gee where did I hear that before. We never learn. Just keep repeating the same mistake and expecting different results. Wake up and see the futility in this madness! Little bushie and his killing machine continues. I put all the blame on cheney and his little marionette on them. May all the bad karma possible befall that murderous band of incompetent fools visit each one of you.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 8:29 pm
I too just want it to end. Why can't we just have PEACE! Thanks Dandelion
 

Edith B. (141)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 9:03 pm
There appears to be no end to our presence in Iraq, but I agree with Gene and Brian, we cannot leave those people stranded without aid. If we had not invaded their country for stupid, venal reasons, they would not be in the situation they are today. All the hawks in Congress wanted us to invade Iraq, now they want to blame President Obama for all of it. As much as I deplore any war, and hate for any of our troops to be sent back there, the President is making the right decision from a humanitarian position.
 

S J. (119)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 9:06 pm
no violence, no nuke, no war.
thank you Dandelion
 

Stephen D. (29)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 9:55 pm
Would we even recognize or believe the truth if ever we found it with our pre-directed focus here in the twilight zone? noted. ty Dandelion
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday August 14, 2014, 10:10 pm
Noted. Thanks so much for posting, Dandelion. We need to get ourselves completely out of Iraq, just like we did in Vietnam. The U.S. spent billions of our tax dollars building an enormous embassy there, which apparently we are trying to protect. It was a folly from the beginning and continues to be folly. There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion in 2003.....Saddam Hussein hated Al-Qaeda. Our invasion opened the door to them.

In our "mission" to protect the innocent, we always end up killing ever more innocents. We don't learn because the military-industrial-corporate complex doesn't want to learn. The love the flow of money....billions and billions amounting to a trillion now. Not to mention the "job security." The war machine only seeks to serve itself and those war profiteers like Cheney. Private corporate "militia" were fighting right next to our own soldiers and making 4 times what our soldiers made. The "no-bid" contracts made millions for private contractors and their shareholders. It's time to bring everyone home now and fix what is wrong in America.
 

Pat Cunningham (143)
Friday August 15, 2014, 1:11 am
Noted. will end just like the Vietnam war with many life's lost, the people of America should have a vote on this!!!!
 

Dawn W. (106)
Friday August 15, 2014, 3:28 am
I think as bad as Saddam H. was. Iraq is 1000 times worse off now after America stuck her 2 bobs worth in. Just what did they the UK and Australia and other allies achieve? America achieved a lot of dead and maimed servicemen and failed to finish the job and now we have this unreasonable, vindictive organisation ISIS marauding through the place BEHEADING people and being totally acrimonious, evil murderers who should be in hell or some place like it. There are hundreds of Yazidi Christians trapped on a mount Sinjar with no water food or shelter, so are we the allies who marched in there all those years ago to depose that old despot Saddam and sons, supposed to leave these poor people there to freeze and starve? A new government was created and managed to be put in power and then we all packed our traps, kit and caboodle and left, now it's all back fired and is total chaos and as always the innocent good people are left to suffer while the test of the world thinks up reasons of why they can't help. It's a disgrace and something has to be done to rid the world of weapons but unfortunately the greed factor comes into fruition and some will go to great lengths to supply misfit murdering groups with all the killing power they need.Thank you Gene J, Dave C and Bruce C D for your very sane reasoning.

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Arild Warud (166)
Friday August 15, 2014, 4:18 am
Reaming the Peshmergers and now that Maliki has finally stepped down I hope that the US/NATO don't have to get involved again.This is a Middle-East problem so they all have to step up and deal with it.
 

John Gregoire (258)
Friday August 15, 2014, 4:48 am
Here we go again. What gives Obama the idea that over 400 US troops on the ground don't have "boots"???? What this means to the guy in uniform is that he takes the chance at getting killed, is probably getting shot at, BUT Obama has set the stage so this soldier DOES NOT get combat pay. That sucks, especially after he cut their raise!
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (45)
Friday August 15, 2014, 5:16 am
Noted. Thanks for sharing, Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Friday August 15, 2014, 7:04 am
Thank you John for giving a different insight besides the obvious. If it isn't labeled "boots on the ground" then the soldier not only risks his life but doesn't get the extra money to compensate either. Not that money ever does in fact compensate, but it helps the family back home trying to keep the roof over the head so he has one when he or she, hopefully returns.
 

jan b. (3)
Friday August 15, 2014, 7:30 am
Don't underestimate the popularity of ISIS......As ISIS wreaks havoc in Syria and Iraq, a store selling its merchandise in Istanbul shows the extent of the militant group’s appeal. The main display window featuring the logo of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. The owner claims “I am responding to a market demand. This is Islamic clothing. What else can I say?”

The basic problem is very clear. It is that millions of people in the Islamic world do not believe in free speech, freedom of religion, democracy, a secular state, free enterprise and human rights. Millions of Muslims also have a hatred for Israel and America that has no rational basis. The war on terrorism won't end til almost ALL of the arab-islamic world changes and is brought to live in the 21st century .....but patience for that to happen is wearing thin.

 

jan b. (3)
Friday August 15, 2014, 7:34 am
I'de be more willing to send USA help.. if the IRAQI military didn't CUT AND RUN.....maybe to join ISIS.....

...Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. that was the first time.....since then its been also prevalent showing they aren't willing to secure their OWN COUNTRY !!! .
 

Evanola Davis (73)
Friday August 15, 2014, 7:46 am
All war must end!!!
 

Wolfgang W. (206)
Friday August 15, 2014, 8:06 am
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/the-military-occupation-of-ferguson.html#!bDWWjC
 

Peggy Peters (2)
Friday August 15, 2014, 9:02 am
Are Americans really making a difference over there? Enough to justify a continued presence at such a high cost to the citizens of the U.S.??
 

Thomas M. (7)
Friday August 15, 2014, 11:52 am
The republicans in Congress will do nothing except blame Obama. It doesn't make any difference if he sinks, swims or drowns, they will hammer him using lies and fear tactics and have done so since he was elected.
 

LaurenSICK Kozen (159)
Friday August 15, 2014, 2:30 pm
Noted & Shared. Thanks Sheryl.
 

Janis K. (101)
Friday August 15, 2014, 5:41 pm
Noted thanks
 

Kit H. (174)
Friday August 15, 2014, 8:00 pm
There is no good options. Blame Bush II started it. The US must do as little but to sensibly help the innocent as it is permitted. Rethink the stratagem for going forward. Do not fight the same old asymmetric war. Do not occupy.
 

Ros G. (92)
Saturday August 16, 2014, 1:01 am
Thanks for this Dandelion........couldn't down load the video.......Australia is making similar noises about going in as well.......using language that leaves the door open........will have to wait and see what happens........
 

kate awayvacation (480)
Monday August 18, 2014, 9:05 am
Well written by Birgit PEACE!!!!! Thank you Dandelion
 
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