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Two Sad Ironies In Florida Passing Its Anti-Science Law


Science & Tech  (tags: anti science bill, Florida, NASA, global warming, evolution, Bible )

Dandelion
- 135 days ago - forbes.com
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Dandelion G (367)
Monday July 10, 2017, 7:54 am
"As I reflect on this new Florida law, it is almost a slap in the face to a state that so many associate with scientific greatness and the space program. It is also now hosts several private enterprises like Space X, which are pushing the boundaries of science and technology.

These companies will need a scientifically literate workforce not students spewing fringe theories. This Florida law sends a dangerous message about sound science and would make me nervous if I was a parent sending a child into this type of situation." Marshall Shepherd Scientist and former employee at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center

Pay attention to what is going on with science education and policy at the local, regional, and national levels because our kids and their future depend on our diligence now.
 

Sue H (7)
Monday July 10, 2017, 8:26 am
Rick Scott needs to be Replaced ASAP!
 

JL A (282)
Monday July 10, 2017, 8:33 am
Thanks Dandelion--maybe with the corrupt way he's moved public education STEM strength children can enroll in out-of-state on-line schools and then accept Macron's invitation to go to France to work?
 

David C (186)
Monday July 10, 2017, 10:04 am
very sad.......and I'm still trying to figure out how the anti-science movement has become so powerful........
 

Animae C (511)
Monday July 10, 2017, 10:51 am
i couldn't view the article, the site doesn't like my adblocker!

WTF?!?!? Sounds like more insanity!!!
 

Darren W (218)
Monday July 10, 2017, 1:50 pm
Shared news article and analysis over social media to raise and spread awareness.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Monday July 10, 2017, 11:17 pm
💙💜Noted... Couldn't access page because my virus wear said page is dangerous and wouldn't open.

💙💜Thank you...Dandelion.💙💜

😉💜ღ 💙Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ😺💜L💙ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all💜😺Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ ღ💙😉
 

Dandelion G (367)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 3:43 am
Strange that two of you would get the page blocked. This isn't some off shoot website.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 3:50 am
David the Christian Fundamentalist pushed this, that the Bible IS fact. So if it isn't in the Bible therefore it isn't. To gain these people's votes on the Republican side the Big Corporations placated to them, after all fossil fuel was adding to global warming but if one could snatch onto the people who took the Bible as factual, instead of symbolic.

Then these people who do not believe in dinosaurs, because it is not in the Bible, their beliefs were fanned by the Corporations and we therefore today have a mess. It is due to these Fundamentalist religious people that this anti science law was passed. Betsy DeVos who is wanting to get rid of Public Schools so that only private schools exist, would have all schools infused with Bible teachings and beliefs. Check out her thinking on many articles about her. We are one more step down the rabbit hole.
 

Janis K (132)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 7:25 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 12:25 pm
Before long, no Florida-educated youth will have the competencies necessary to work in scientific organisations unless they've then gone on to do science in higher education that his outside the influence of the Florida education system :>(

Home-schooled kids will hopefully escape the damage.

By the way - I'm curious -
"With the law now in place, any county resident — not just any parent with a child in the country's public schools, as was the case previously — can now file a complaint about instructional materials in the county's public schools, and the school will now have to appoint a hearing officer to hear the complaint.'

Does this also mean that people can file complaints against extremist-supported instructional materials - e.g. that "biblical" versions unsupported by scientific research are being taught????

If ALL perspectives are encouraged to exercise their right to file a complaint, the present education administration might be driven to internal implosion/ collapse ...
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 12:26 pm
As for those unable to open the page ("unsafe") - I notice that both are in Australia, aren't you? Maybe that is related to the block?
 

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 1:13 pm
Insane. They keep taking away from the kids education. Where are their brains??? Thanks Dandelion
 

raleigh k (375)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 1:56 pm
Can't get through the block. Thanks for sharing Dandelion
 

Freya H (361)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 2:32 pm
Another irony: Mensa had its national Annual Gathering in Hollywood, FL last week.

However, there is an upside: What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Pro-science parents can complain about creationist/intelligent design crap in their children's schools, for starters. Let's give those fun-demented-ists a taste of their own foul medicine.
 

Anne K (139)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 4:03 pm
Thanks, Dandelion.
 

Janet B (0)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 5:52 pm
Thanks
 

Lenore K (0)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 5:56 pm
ok
 

Mitchell D (103)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 7:32 pm
got to see an article about it in the Miami Herald, as the Forbes one won't load.
What a bunch of horse shit Scott and buddies have put into law!
This "Just a theory" stuff goes back to St.Reagan saying that, as an Evangelist staffer slipped it into a speech of his. He encouraged the country to "...find its spiritual roots," but did not realize that these are cancerous. I recently finished a book about the history of man's attempt to understand just where babies come from. The book went back to the early Greeks, through to the late 1800's, and described, among other things, the way religious received wisdom blocked understanding again,and again.
But, for those who believe that the Bible is a literal document:
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true. The other is to refuse to believe what is true."
Soren Kierkegaard
And:
“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.” Jonathan Swift


 

Mitchell D (103)
Tuesday July 11, 2017, 7:39 pm
Since its publication, in 1859, the theory of evolution has met every single scientific challenge. Diseases and pests evolve in real time, right under our noses, as they adapt to our medical and pesticide attempts to eradicate them. Where do the bible-thumpers think MRSA came from? The "R" stands for "Resistant," a product of evolution.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 2:25 am
Dumb and dumber.
 

Danuta W (1255)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 4:00 am
Noted
 

Dandelion G (367)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 7:07 am
True Evelyn, this can be contested by all people now on every side of the coin. But here we go wasting time to challenge some other idiot's challenge about science. Meaning the Fundamentalist can slip in that they want taught as fact that the Earth was created in 7 actual days. So if that is slipped in and all books that say it isn't so has to be removed, not only is it costly, but now another group has to counter that, and if they win, pull all the books again out and replace with the new books.

Basically, if a FACT has been proven by Science over and over and over again, and has already gone through the court systems - why now do we have to start at square one, because someone challenges evolution, claims the world is flat, there were no such thing as dinosaurs, and the world was made in 7 actual days. Why must we waste time and resources on this? Those people should be handed a science book and told to get lost.

Don't expect all the homeschoolers to do better because not all are home schooled for the same reason I did for my Granddaughter. A lot of the children are home schooled so that a huge religious component will be given to their children, that uses the Bible as fact in all matters......including science. An article that I had previously posted reflect how and why many children are home schooled. HELPING THE CULTURE WARS

This is also very un-nerving in the sense that we are the 4th most populous State within the USA so we have a lot of students that will grow up to be adults and voters one day.
 

Winn A (177)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 7:07 am
This is tragic for the children of Florida. Shame on the lawmakers of Florida.
 

Darren W (218)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 1:09 pm
Mitchell D.
"But, for those who believe that the Bible is a literal document:
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true. The other is to refuse to believe what is true."
Soren Kierkegaard
And:
“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.” Jonathan Swift

It is USELESS to try and *figure* out a religious / spiritual text, using one's intellect alone, unless one treats the text as an exercise in solving a cryptic puzzle.

For example, Even *talking* to a snake in the Garden of Eden, is clearly absurd, until one considers that in esoteric Christianity, "snake" represents and symbolizes "change" or "changes"

 

Darren W (218)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 1:10 pm
Mitchell D.
"Since its publication, in 1859, the theory of evolution has met every single scientific challenge. Diseases and pests evolve in real time, right under our noses, as they adapt to our medical and pesticide attempts to eradicate them. Where do the bible-thumpers think MRSA came from? The "R" stands for "Resistant," a product of evolution."

Science uses a very narrow bandwidth of human reasoning. . . . science can explain in part the "how," but not as far as I can see, the "why."
 

Lenore K (0)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 2:02 pm
ok
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 9:06 pm
Sheryl, I agree that a lot of this nonsense has to do with the fact that science is showing the real problems with our predatory economic system. The tiny minority of elites want nothing more than to keep people as ignorant and divided as possible. And religion is great at doing that!

 

Patricia N (9)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 1:14 am
Book burnings next thing on the agenda???
 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:32 am
Dandelion - I realise that ideally, it shouldn't be NECESSARY to contest the anti-science lobby.
And doing so involves much work & many additional costs.
As I was trying to say, by contesting the extremists whose "facts" are belief-bound not fact-bound could in fact collapse the education system, bring it to a grinding halt in all science-related matters -

But Firstly - Can one contest the "unproven" anti-science texts & curricula in the same way as they can contest scientifically-based ones?

Secondly - If one can, but one doesn't ... what is the real long-term cost?

Perhaps by entering a "battle of contesting" one could force the authorities to correct this insane ruling!

Darren - the trouble with "scientific proof" is that it really only proves beyond question what is NOT ... by eliminating hypotheses and explanations that do not hold up under close study.
This then leaves one with a conclusion based on what has not been disproved!

"Truth" is somewhere within this conclusion, but as science advances, more details are disproved ... and the "conclusion" is refined.

So science provides a dynamic process by which the search for definitive "why" and "how" is always on-going. At any point in time, what we "know" as "scientific fact" is an acceptance of a reality which is not 100% in focus, but all we can know with 100% certainty is what has been rigorously proved NOT to be fact!

A bit like looking through a telescope (or a magnifying glass) - as we are able to zoom in, we discover more details, the dot of orange we thought was a fruit turns out to be a flower, & that flower isn't orange only, it is also yellow and red and brown and white ... and it is composed of many smaller flowers ... but until we have a more powerful zoom, we can't see what each one is composed of!

The flat-earthers, climate deniers, creationists don't want to use a modern telescope, because they can't cope with the questions. Their faith isn't strong enough to accept that explanations made for people in the past were made in terms that people of that period (who didn't have telescopes or microscopes, nor education as we have today) could cope with. They needed explanations they could relate to, in order to cope with the uncertainties of life (and death).
 

Jim Ven (0)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:51 am
thanks for sharing.
 

Jim Ven (0)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:52 am
thanks for sharing.
 

Darren W (218)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:55 am
Where business and profit making meet science, the boundary lines become blurred.

For example, it's difficult if not impossible to make profit, through patents of (natural) remedies found within Homeopathy, so science and the orthodox establishment routinely negate the efficacy of Homeopathy, as well as those who practice it, even though "drugs" often don't do jack.

Another one is that the scientific community are engaged n trying to codify and explain Consciousnesses, when there's little agreement on how you would actually go about doing that. It's rather like, or in fact IS, if you take the view that "Everything in the Universe is material" (Gurdjieff) the dilemma of trying to explain and rationalize that which lies beyond the human intellect's reasoning capacity.

Many would say, quite ridiculously, that nothing is beyond the human intellect's reasoning capacity, so that if it (the intellect) cannot fathom it, then it simply doesn't exist.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 6:29 am
************************************************************************* Darren!
 

Ed Site Issues V (196)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 9:07 am
Noted, Thanks
 

Danuta W (1255)
Friday July 14, 2017, 6:41 am
noted
 

Margie FOURIE (152)
Monday July 17, 2017, 2:41 am
Read article with interest.
 

Margie FOURIE (152)
Monday July 17, 2017, 3:51 am
Thanks again
 

Melania Padilla (142)
Wednesday September 20, 2017, 12:41 pm
We need science more than ever, no religion or belief will get us out of the mess we've created. This is so sad, I don't know if I should cry or laugh :-(
 
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