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TAKE ACTION: PROTECT GREEN SPACE ACROSS SCOTLAND


Environment  (tags: environment, conservation, destruction, world )

Beverly
- 416 days ago - ipetitions.com
Building on green space should not be allowed when a brownfield alternative exists



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Beverly M. (85)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 2:25 pm
For seven years local people have worked to keep Portobello Park free from development by the City of Edinburgh Council. In September 2012, the Court of Session confirmed that the Park is inalienable common good land and that it cannot be used as the site of the new Portobello High School. Despite the Council having identified alternative suitable brownfield sites for the new school, they are now trying to use the Scottish Parliament to give them permission to build on the Park through a Private Bill. If successful, this Bill could set a precedent for other councils to use this route to obtain permission to circumvent common good protection, putting common good land and open spaces across Scotland at risk.


If you agree that building on green space should not be allowed when a brownfield alternative exists, and you are concerned about the implications of this Private Bill, please sign.
 

Christeen Anderson (452)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 2:31 pm
Signed.
 

Beatrice B. (115)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 3:08 pm
Noted and sgned, TY
 

Debbie G. (314)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 3:16 pm
Signed. We have to save our precious green spaces.
 

Joe R. (189)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 3:25 pm
Thanks Beverly. Signed and noted.
 

Vicky P. (462)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 3:32 pm
Noted and signed
 

Carol D. (104)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 4:38 pm
Scotland is so beautiful All the green spaces must be protected


Noted & Signed thanks
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 5:03 pm
Altho a school is a better use of space than a Shopping Mall -
still, THIS PROPOSED ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF EDINBURGH -
is NOT UN-RELATED TO THE ACTION TO DEMOLISH A PARK THAT SPARKED THE WIDESPREAD PROTESTS IN TURKEY.
In BOTH cases, altho seemingly un-related -
In BOTH cases, there is THE SAME DIS-REGARD FOR "THE COMMONS", for PUBLIC SPACE, for Space OWNED AND USED BY THE PEOPLE {and animals!};
by Space which is just that, SPACE, not "developed", not with buildings on it, not paved over with concrete, not "useful" to somebody or other.

It's like, Oh, we can't stand JUST PLAIN OPEN SPACE, we have to PUT something on it, something, ANYthing. That's what we DO. Change, DESTROY, put our own IMPRINT on just bare Nature.

Anybody who doesn't SEE A PATTERN HERE?????
So-called "communist" Chinese propose to do this kind of thing in Lhasa;
while in the U.S., Companies are saying, hey, let's "develop" historic Civil War Battlefields such as Gettysburg; Native American historical sites; or even Thoreau's Walden Pond, hey, they're not doing anybody any good by just merely SITTING there... !!!

People, and wildlife {what we have left!}, and the PLANET, NEED GREEN SPACES - places to BREATHE.
Or we will all DIE of SUFFOCATION.
LEAVE ALL REMAINING GREEN SPACES ALONE.
"Development" IS THE CURSE OF THE PLANET.
 

Sue H. (7)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 5:23 pm
Noted and happy to sign....we need to Protect Green Spaces Everywhere.
 

Stuart Thomas (504)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 5:28 pm
Noted, signed, and submitted.

Thank you, Beverly.
 

Stuart Thomas (504)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 5:31 pm
Thank you, BMutiny, for your insights.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 5:36 pm
Signed.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 6:06 pm

Your signature has been recorded. This is not the first time I have read about how ambitious the Scots are to keep their country clean and green. They should be an example for all of us.
 

Jason Flint (5)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 10:06 pm
signed and noted
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (378)
Sunday June 9, 2013, 10:39 pm
N&S
 

Edo R. (71)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:50 am
Thanks for sharing!
 

Sean Watters (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 5:16 am
There is another side to this debate.

The consultation on the proposed Bill attracted 10,000 responses across the city, with 70% in favour. Of respondents from the local area, 76% were in favour. There are reasons for that.

This has been an ongoing issue for over 7 years and, whilst building on greenspace is never ideal, the majority of local people support it because the park is by far the best site for the school. There would still be 2.2Ha of park left around the school, as well as 2 full sized, freely accessible, all-weather pitches, and the adjacent golf-course would remain. In addition there would be a new 2.2Ha park created on the existing schools site meaning the net loss of Open Space would only be 0.4Ha.

The proposed Private Bill seeks to reclassify part of Portobello Park as alienable Common Good for the purposes of education, thereby allowing the school to be built. Outwith such an educational function, the park would remain as inalienable Common Good land and associated restrictions would continue to apply. It would not change the legal status of any other Common Good land, or green space, anywhere else.

No legal precedent would be set by such a Bill. Private Bills are, by their very nature, specific to a particular circumstance and leave the general law unchanged. Also the success or failure of one Private Bill has no bearing on another one. Any Private Bill will be judged by the Scottish Parliament on its own merits. And a Private Bill is not an easy option. It is time consuming, with no guarantee of success. To pass, the Scottish Parliament needs to be persuaded of the merits, which in most instances will also require a demonstration of public support.

When it comes to the Portobello Park Private Bill, it is clear that the local people are broadly in support.

I absolutely appreciate that some people will find building on a park completely unacceptable whatever the circumstances, but I would ask you consider the matter in detail before signing any petition.

http://www.newportyhigh.co.uk/
 

Sean Watters (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 5:18 am
There is another side to this debate.

The consultation on the proposed Bill attracted 10,000 responses across the city, with 70% in favour. Of respondents from the local area, 76% were in favour. There are reasons for that.

This has been an ongoing issue for over 7 years and, whilst building on greenspace is never ideal, the majority of local people support it because the park is by far the best site for the school. There would still be 2.2Ha of park left around the school, as well as 2 full sized, freely accessible, all-weather pitches, and the adjacent golf-course would remain. In addition there would be a new 2.2Ha park created on the existing schools site meaning the net loss of Open Space would only be 0.4Ha.

The proposed Private Bill seeks to reclassify part of Portobello Park as alienable Common Good for the purposes of education, thereby allowing the school to be built. Outwith such an educational function, the park would remain as inalienable Common Good land and associated restrictions would continue to apply. It would not change the legal status of any other Common Good land, or green space, anywhere else.

No legal precedent would be set by such a Bill. Private Bills are, by their very nature, specific to a particular circumstance and leave the general law unchanged. Also the success or failure of one Private Bill has no bearing on another one. Any Private Bill will be judged by the Scottish Parliament on its own merits. And a Private Bill is not an easy option. It is time consuming, with no guarantee of success. To pass, the Scottish Parliament needs to be persuaded of the merits, which in most instances will also require a demonstration of public support.

When it comes to the Portobello Park Private Bill, it is clear that the local people are broadly in support.

I absolutely appreciate that some people will find building on a park completely unacceptable whatever the circumstances, but I would ask you consider the matter in detail before signing any petition.

http://www.newportyhigh.co.uk/
 

Natasha Salgado (510)
Monday June 10, 2013, 6:29 am
Done!
 

Elizabeth O. (88)
Monday June 10, 2013, 9:35 am
Signed.
 

Holly C. (7)
Monday June 10, 2013, 11:45 am
Done - Thank you!
 

Karena N. (14)
Monday June 10, 2013, 11:54 am
Such a beautiful place needs it.
 

Veronique L. (209)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:04 pm
Noted and signed Beverly!
 

Paul Girardin (140)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:10 pm
Noted, signed and shared!
 

Malgorzata Zmuda (177)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:25 pm
podpisane
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:37 pm
Signed
 

Kathy Niell (92)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:47 pm
Although I am an American citizen by birth, some of my ancestors came from Scotland, which is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Protecting and preserving Scotland's parklands should be high on their list of priorities, as such lands are irreplaceable.
 

James Doeppers (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:55 pm
Thanks
 

Shanti S. (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 12:58 pm
Thank you.
 

Marija Mohoric (50)
Monday June 10, 2013, 1:11 pm
done, thank you.
Scotland is a wonderful part of the world.
 

Twyla Sparks (208)
Monday June 10, 2013, 1:17 pm
done
 

FranNOMAILPLS Darcy (213)
Monday June 10, 2013, 1:36 pm
s and n
 

Vita Pagh (36)
Monday June 10, 2013, 2:08 pm
Signed. Thank you.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Monday June 10, 2013, 2:17 pm
signed-thanks
 

Colin Wright (60)
Monday June 10, 2013, 2:34 pm
Signed. Although I appreciate that some citizens of any country feel it's fine to build over the local green areas, I feel I need to advocate for the animals that would be displaced. I don't want any more buildings being built over green areas near me and correspondingly do not want more buildings being built over any other green areas in the rest of the world. We need to make human-inhabited places smaller, not larger. Reduce the population while we're at it. This is one reason I have decided I would rather adopt than have children of my own.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Monday June 10, 2013, 2:36 pm
Signed & noted. Thank you, Beverly.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (968)
Monday June 10, 2013, 2:36 pm
Signed an d noted
 

Birgit W. (140)
Monday June 10, 2013, 3:20 pm
Signed.
 

Natalie V. (27)
Monday June 10, 2013, 4:02 pm
noted / signed
 

Paulett Simunich (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 4:20 pm
Happy to sign ...and did !!! Thank you !
 

Kayleigh Harter (9)
Monday June 10, 2013, 4:23 pm
Signed
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Monday June 10, 2013, 4:55 pm
Colin:"I....do not want more buildings being built over any other green areas in the rest of the world. We need to make human-inhabited places smaller, not larger. Reduce the population while we're at it."
I totally agree with Colin in every respect.
What happens if the population DOES get smaller, as is to be hoped, and a school is no longer needed?

But thank you, Sean, for your reasonable input.
It still seems to me that there is this whittling away of Public Space, which is made to seem more "acceptable" to the Public - that wants to have its cake and eat it too.
But I am glad to hear that Scotland does have safeguards in place!

If they take over any space, it should be the GOLF COURSE. Golf courses suck up HUGE amounts of herbicides, pesticides, and WATER, to keep that smooth green, which is unnatural. Native fauna and flora do NOT thrive wherever there are golf courses. There is also the poisonous runoff and air pollutants to consider.
Golf courses are one of the GREATEST CURSES of the Planet!
Of course, they are a money-maker, and favored by the wealthy for recreation not affordable by everyone...

Very ironic because golf STARTED in Scotland as a game of the PEOPLE, using rough land otherwise unsuitable for agriculture... the "traps" were real and natural.
The CURSE came, when the game became COMPETITIVE and had thus to be STANDARDIZED - so the lawns, the "traps" and everything else, had to be ARTIFICIAL...
In the Third World, to attract money-spending tourists, new Golf Courses EAT UP the rainforest, farmland, beaches, scenic spots... and poison them and the wildlife, with herbicides and pesticides and just plain killing animals that disturb that even smoothness...
Golf Courses may look "green" in color, and "pretty" by our perverted standards; but they are actually THE DIRECT OPPOSITE OF "GREEN SPACE"...
 

Angeles Madrazo (292)
Monday June 10, 2013, 5:39 pm
Signed!
 

Ellen Kent (0)
Monday June 10, 2013, 6:04 pm
Done
 

Winn Adams (190)
Monday June 10, 2013, 6:42 pm
Signed!
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Monday June 10, 2013, 6:54 pm
Signed !
 

Dori C. (14)
Monday June 10, 2013, 7:24 pm
s/n
 

Charlie Rush (49)
Monday June 10, 2013, 7:30 pm
Why should we have to be fighting, all over our planet, to protect the environment in the first place?
 

Dianne D. (455)
Monday June 10, 2013, 7:47 pm
signed
 

Sonny Honrado (6)
Monday June 10, 2013, 8:20 pm
Noted!
 

Ken L. (78)
Monday June 10, 2013, 9:21 pm
signed and noted, thanks beverly.
 

janet f. (29)
Monday June 10, 2013, 9:30 pm
signed
 

Ludger W. (72)
Monday June 10, 2013, 11:13 pm
done
 

Inge Bjorkman (131)
Monday June 10, 2013, 11:32 pm
Signed.
Scotland belongs to Scandinavia.
Love
 

Victoria Pohrebna (269)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 12:26 am
Your signature has been recorded.
 

Sean Watters (0)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 12:46 am
Just for clarification, the proposed new school that this petition is trying to stop, is to built on an area that is currently grass football pitches. As far as natural green space & biodiversity are concerned, the pitches are pretty much on a par with the municipal golf course adjacent. A municipal golf course that has the same Common Good status.

 

Sue Clayton (8)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 12:52 am
Noted and signed. Why destroy the beauty of the land when there are alternatives.
 

Asli Vural (115)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 12:52 am
Thanks for sharing
 

Maria Papastamatiou (4)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 2:37 am
Of course signed. As I noted with my signature, green spaces are gift and should not be thrown away.
 

Rhonda lawford (4)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 7:41 am
read and signed. thank you
 

Susanne R. (249)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 8:00 am
Signed and noted. Thanks, Beverly!
 

Andrew Brown (0)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 9:00 am
Why are so many people from many different countries that know nothing of the local debate signing this? There is a reason these people want the school built elsewhere. It is because it is opposite their expensive homes. there would be a loss overall of half a soccer field. 76% of the local population think this is a price worth paying to give our children a first class school with first class facilities. They are currently over 1200 children left in an ageing building that is not fit for purpose. You people make me mad by just signing this rubbish without knowing that the proposed site is an area that is 99% used by people walking their dogs. No children ever play there as there are better parks within 5 minutes walk. You have all been fooled into signing this for what reason I do not know.
Why are people going on about the 9 hole golf course. Nothing will change here. Mis-information and untruths have been the norm for the people who do not want the school next to their homes.
Did I miss out the part where a few years ago they suggested an even larger area of green space to built the new school on? No. Maybe they forgot to mention this but then again it was not next to their nice and expensive homes.
You have been fooled into signing this.
I do like their cover picture of a field full of flowers. I've no idea where that is but it does look nice. No where near Edinburgh though.
RANT OVER
 

Sean Watters (0)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 9:25 am
The picture is of Fair Isle, roughly 400 miles to the north of Portobello Park, between Shetland & Orkney, with no connection to the issue at hand in any way. Pretty picture mind.
 

Bob Jefferson (0)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 9:30 am
Saving green space is a noble cause but it is not an end in itself. Like Andrew Brown, I'm concerned that there are well-meaning people here who are signing this petition without knowing the full facts of the situation. The school on the park is supported by every political party, including the Greens, and the Scottish Government is fully expected to support the Bill that will allow it to go ahead. Locally, it has 76% support. It's Common Good land and local people have decided that building a badly-needed new school with its own playing fields is in the common good. In any case, almost all of the green space is being replaced nearby as a new park has been promised. The design of this new park will be shaped by the input of local people. Currently, Portobello Park is really no more than a muddy field and is only used by a handful of local dog owners. We have several other, much nicer parks within a few minutes walk. As others have said, you are being duped here. It's pure greenwash. Please take the time to get the facts on this case before you put your name to anything. The future educational prospects of thousands of local children for generations to come rest upon it.
 

Lydia Weissmuller Price (181)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 10:41 am
Signed and shared, thank you.
 

Judy C. (106)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 1:39 am
A line must be drawn somewhere. Signed. Thanks, Beverly.
 

Barry T. (829)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:52 am
Done & shared (I think)
 

Bob Jefferson (0)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 10:27 pm
Oh dear, your support doesn't seem to be appreciated by the people behind the campaign. I quote: "Which one of you put the petition onto the dodgy website to get dodgy signatures?"
 

Mary T. (281)
Saturday June 15, 2013, 5:32 pm
Signed & noted - thank you Beverly
 

ER C. (65)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 10:25 am

SIGNED & SHARED
 

Hugo L. (281)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 11:13 am
Noted & signed, thanks Beverly
 

Melania Padilla (173)
Tuesday June 18, 2013, 3:01 pm
Signed
 

. (0)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:22 am
"Oh dear, your support doesn't seem to be appreciated by the people behind the campaign. I quote: 'Which one of you put the petition onto the dodgy website to get dodgy signatures?' " Har de har har.
And WHY were we thinking that there'd be overflowing joy when the Scots discovered us Yanks were wanking off again about something else? Yes, this *could* be meaningful ... However, this could also be very assumptive action, based upon supposition that local decisions must be influenced by global community ... Good luck with that ... I'm not much interested in being told what to do & most people I know are not either ... We must beware that "do-goodism" doesn't just become "do-what-I-say-ism". OK. Rant over. G'night.
 
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