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Supreme Court Justice-Elena Kagan-Is Pro Sharia Law!


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Carol
- 836 days ago - catchkevin.com
Just when you thought all the talk about Barack Obama usurping the Constitution to bring the United States into compliance with the UN and the Sharia-dominated New International Order was little more than right-wing conspiratorial propagandaThink Again!



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Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 1:01 am
Just when you thought all the talk about Barack Obama usurping the Constitution to bring the United States into compliance with the UN and the Sharia-dominated New International Order was little more than right-wing conspiratorial propaganda—Think Again! The “Appointed One,” in cunning Islamic style, is covering all the bases by laying the foundation, including placing an ally in the United States Supreme Court!

Why is it always after the fact, after the elections and after critical appointments that the real vetting of candidates finally takes place? Simple. When you have a clueless, apathetic and disengaged American populace, coupled with a leftist liberal media that’s already in the tank for the “Messharia,” you take the fast track to confirmation and worry about the repercussions later. After all, it’s a lot easier to select than it is to eject a political appointee.

Elena Kagan’s views render her the first Supreme Court Justice who actively favors the introduction of Sharia law into national Constitutions and legal systems. It’s unprecedented in American history. We now have a liberal, pro-Sharia justice sitting on the highest court in the land. And is it any wonder? After all, as Obama’s Solicitor General, it was Kagan who blocked as many as nine lawsuits from being heard by the Supreme Court. Although the nine cases listed on the high court’s docket had nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility issues, there is no arguing Kagan’s advocacy for Islamic rule and Sharia Law as evidenced below. What do you want to bet that she refuses to recuse herself on any Sharia-related decision and instead leads the charge to legitimize Sharia law in America?

Christine Brim of the Center for Security Policy summarized Kagans’ 2003-2009 career as Dean of Harvard Law School in the following five points. They tell the story of Elena Kagans’ “deep appreciation” of Sharia law.

1. PRO-SHARIA MISSION:
With Kagan’s direction, Harvard’s Islamic Legal Studies Program developed a mission statement dedicated “to promote a deep appreciation of Islamic law as one of the world’s major legal systems.” That mission statement guided her actions and those whom she directed as Dean.

Under Kagan’s direction, her chief of staff at the Islamic Legal Studies Program aggressively expanded non-critical studies of Sharia law – fulfilling her mission “to promote a deep appreciation of Islamic law.” In 2003, the year Kagan became Harvard Law School Dean, Islamic Legal Studies Program Founding Director Frank Vogel and Associate Director Peri Bearman founded the Massachusetts-based International Society for Islamic Legal Studies. In 2007, Bearman and Vogel founded the Islamic Law Section of the Association of American Law Schools.

2. PRO-SHARIA MONEY:
When Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal offered $10 million to New York City’s Rudy Guiliani on October 11, 2001, Guiliani refused to accept it, because the prince insisted that U.S. policies in the Middle East were responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Guiliani stated, “There is no moral equivalent for this act.” But, when Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal offered $20 million to the Islamic Legal Studies Program in December 2005 – Kagan accepted it; after all, the Saudi royal family had funded the program since its inception to establish the moral and legal equivalency between Sharia law and U.S. Constitutional law. As presidential candidate, Newt Gingrich, has noted, Harvard Law School currently has three chairs endowed by Saudi Arabia, including one dedicated to the study of Islamic sharia law.

In 2001 Guiliani made a decision not to accept Talal’s blood money. But in 2005, Kagan made a decision not just to accept it, but to implement Talal’s policies at Harvard.

Not only there, but as reported earlier this year, “Kagan is the main reason why the Supreme Court ruled against the 9/11 families” in a suit filed by thousands of 9/11 family members that traced funding for the 19 hijackers to certain Saudi royals, along with banks, corporations and Islamic charities. Kagan, as Obama’s Solicitor General, said in her brief “that the princes are immune from petitioners’ claims” and that the families’ claims that the Saudis helped to finance the plots fell “outside the scope” of the legal parameters for suing foreign governments or leaders.

So Kagan actively solicited Saudi financing to promote Sharia law in the U.S., and she actively protected Saudi financial backers for terrorism against the U.S., as being immune from claims by 9/11 families.

3. PROMOTING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND SHARIA CONSTITUTIONS:
In December, 2006, Kagan hired Noah Feldman, architect of Iraq’s Constitution requiring Shariah, as a star faculty member at Harvard Law School. On March 16, 2008, Feldman published his controversial article “Why Sharia” in the New York Times Magazine, which promoted “Islamists” – the Muslim Brotherhood – as a progressive democratic party, and promoted Sharia as a model not just for Muslim-majority countries but for all: “In fact, for most of its history, Islamic law offered the most liberal and humane legal principles available anywhere in the world…” The article was adapted from his book The Fall and Rise of the Islamic State, which was published in late March, 2008.

On September 16, 2008, Kagan whole-heartedly endorsed Feldman’s promotion of the Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia Law by honoring him with the endowed “Bemis Chair” in International Law. Feldman’s speech on receiving the award was revealing: he advocated for an international, “outward interpretation” of the Constitution that could “require the U.S. to confer rights on citizens of other nations,” and allow for an “experimental Constitution.”

As to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist worldwide political organization that Feldman and Kagan support? Their motto is as revealing as Feldman’s speech:

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

Given that slogan, you could well ask if Feldman really meant the Muslim Brotherhood when he wrote about “Islamists” in the book Kagan so admired that she gave him an endowed chair. And he anticipated that question; in the second footnote in his book he states,

“Throughout this book, when I refer to Islamists or Islamism, I have in mind mainstream Sunni Muslim activists loosely aligned with the ideology of the transnational Muslim Brotherhood (MB)…the Brotherhood broadly embraces electoral politics, but without eschewing the use of violence in some circumstances, notably against those whom it defines as invaders in Iraq and Palestine.”

In summary, Kagan made the decision to honor Feldman, author of “big-lie” forms of pro-Sharia propaganda, supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, with an endowed chair. Feldman states flatly that the Muslim Brotherhood, whom he admires, does not “eschew the use of violence against those whom it defines as invaders in Iraq and Palestine.” Kagan’s financial backer, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, insisted that the U.S. policies in the Middle East (specifically in Israel and Palestine) were a cause of the 9/11 attacks. Like the Muslim Brotherhood, the prince did not “eschew the use of violence” against the U.S. And when 9/11 families sued the Saudi royals who funded the September 11, 2001 “use of violence” against the U.S., Kagan used her power as Solicitor General to protect the group that had been her financial backers at Harvard.

It gets better . . .

4. PROMOTING SHARIA IN CONSTITUTIONS WORLDWIDE:
On May 1, 2007, Kagan initiated a lecture series on Sharia Law, named for Abd al-Razzaq al-Sanhuri, a legal scholar who had drafted constitutions throughout the Middle East between the 1930s and 1960s. There are literally dozens of legal reformers throughout the Muslim world that she could have chosen; but she chose al-Sanhuri.

Sanhuri’s career consisted primarily of making sure that the civil and criminal legal codes throughout the Middle East were Sharia-compliant. He drafted the laws that ensured Sharia law took precedence over secular laws. As much as any single individual, he was responsible for the legal drafting for the “Constitutionalization” of Sharia in previously secular Muslim-majority nations in the 20th century, in concert with the political pressure for Sharia by the Muslim Brotherhood, and the financial pressure for Sharia by the Saudi Royal Family.

As legal scholar Enid Hill wrote in her biography of al-Sanhuri,

“The outlines of the future dialectic are thus able to be detected if al-Sanhuri’s specifications are followed: Islamic legal theory versus Western legal rules, and when the Western rules reflect a different underlying theory they are to be eliminated and new rules put in their place, rules that are reflective of Islamic legal theory.”

Or as al-Sanhuri states himself in his book The Arab Civil Code,

“The goal towards which I am striving is that there will be an Arab civil code derived primarily from the Islamic Shari’a.”

Kagan presided over four of the al-Sanhuri lectures before her departure to become Obama’s Solicitor General

5. PROMOTING SHARIA IN THE JUDICIAL COUP IN PAKISTAN

Kagan consistently used her position at Harvard to promote and legitimate the introduction of Shariah provisions into national constitutions, and indeed into Supreme Courts of other nations. In Pakistan however, her influence is having dire consequences . . .

On November 19, 2008, Elena Kagan presented the Harvard Law School Medal of Freedom to Iftikhar Chaudhry, the controversial Chief Justice of Pakistan. Chaudry had been deposed from his post in 2007 by President General Pervez Musharraf in a complex dispute that included the issue of independence of the judiciary. Musharraf later resigned, and on March 16, 2009, the Prime Minister Gilani re-appointed Chaudhry as Chief Justice.

As noted by Department of Defense attorneys from the Clinton and Reagan eras, Kagan’s honoree has mounted a Sharia judicial coup:

“Contrary to the constitution of Pakistan, Chaudhry usurped the right of appointment of vacancies in the court from the elected prime minister and president…In a previous ruling, Chaudhry reaffirmed the right of the court to disqualify members of Parliament, the president and all ministers of the cabinet from serving if they violate “Islamic injunctions,” or do not engage in ‘teaching and practices, obligatory duties prescribed by Islam. “

Given the fact that Elena Kagan is only fifty years old, she could easily serve on the Supreme Court until she’s eighty or beyond. Coupled with Obama’s Muslim upbringing, his anemic support for Israel, his lack of desire to secure the southern border, the ramrodding of Obamacare against the peoples will, joining an international lawsuit against the state of Arizona, his allegiance to Saudi oil magnates, his support of the UN’s Small Arms Treaty, his cosponsoring of a UN bill with Egypt to restrict free speech, the recent corrupt— Operation Fast & Furious, the appointment of his personal minions (czars) and rash of executive orders to circumvent the Constitution, and his latest gaff—resuming talks with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban terrorist organization, is it even a question that the “appointed” one, the “Messharia” to America is laying the groundwork for gradual socialist reform and a syncretism of the Constitution of the United States with the Constitution of Sharia Law? I rest my case!

Until next time . . . Wake Up America!

Kevin A. Lehmann
 

Stan B. (122)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:03 am
This is probably why she was selected by the Obama administration in the first place.
Thanks Carol. Noted and forwarded.
 

Diane O. (149)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 3:05 am
"Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the law."

There's absolutely NO NEED for this type of law in the United States of America. President Obama handpicked and sold Elena Kagan's presence on the Supreme Court for a reason as CarolD has outlined above. So, why do we sit back and accept this? Who are WE as a country? The election of Barack Hussein Obama in 2008 was the end result of what started taking place as early as 2002 when Obama was handpicked and groomed for the presidential win in 2008 by George Soros and other progressive far left wing radicals. All he needed was the "perfect storm" created by media as the country lashed out at George W. Bush for the war in Iraq. The state was set. The "actor" was elected to do his deed going around the world to apologize for our country something no other US President would have ever thought to do. As we have watched Obama in one term bring nearly $7 trillion of debt to our country with absolutely nothingto show for it we should ask ourselves who IS REALLY sitting in our White House? A true American? I think not. Obama isclearly out to destroy our country but first he MUST have control of our healthcare coverage...think The Cloward-Piven Strategy. It's all in there....Obama's blueprint for America.

Concerned Amercans need to be on their feet now and facing east taking a hard look at what is going on with this administration. I've read that the democrats in DC are highly critical of Obama and that Obama is a loner with only afew close supporters such as Valerie Jarrett. Valerie Jarrett highly recommended communist Van Jones as Obama's green czar. Let's get all of them out of OUR White House in November.

 

Diane O. (149)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 3:08 am
correction: "the stage was set"
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (220)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 6:25 am
Well when she gets beheaded by her new best friends who sadly enough are playing her like a fiddle, then it will be to late to retract her stance.
 

DORIS L. (61)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 7:42 am
Never mind "about to be"...I am now officially sick.
 

Linda C. (84)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:16 am
Carol, thank you for posting this for us. To this we must also look at the fact that when President Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia this was an act that signaled the citizens of the U.S. that he was placing our Country in subservience to a Muslim Nation. It signaled to our allies that he was showing more allegiance to the Muslim world and thus distancing the U.S. for them. We did not see him bow to the Queen of England, the heads of State of Germany, Japan, Australia or any other of our allies and he even went so far as to gravely offend the Prime Minister of Israel and then tried to tell him that they had to have our approval to defend their own Country from Muslims.

Kagan is not the only person he has appointed with Sharia-dominated order, one of our Federal agencies has a Muslim as it's director as well.

President Obama has surrounded himself with extremely controversial Cabinet appointees as well as to the Bench. Here is a website that will give more information on these people: http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/

It is no wonder that the Constitution has been not only challenged, but has even been circumvented numerous times by President Obama and his administration. As conscientious citizens of this Country we must take careful and honest stock of his job performance, the very nature and personal agenda of President Obama, the people he has selected to be his advisers and where all of this has led and will continue to lead the U.S. under his Presidency. We have to be sincere and honest and ask if this is really where we want to see the Country heading and if we are conscientious U.S. citizens that want the best for our children and to leave the best of the U.S. for their children and future generations, we must make our vote count in November and we must see that Barack Obama is voted out of office; there is no other recourse for the United States. WE are not a Muslim country, we are a National that allows religious freedom to all and that has separated Church and State for one very specific reason, to ensure that everyone has the freedom to their religious belief, even those that have made the decision to be atheists. That means that we do not cater to any religious group, including Muslims and that we maintain our position of loyalty to our allies.

Again, Carol, thank you for this opportunity to look closer at our President and his appointments and to determine honestly and factually where he is leading the U.S. and to make our conclusion as to whether we follow him for another 4 years or set the U.S. back on the right path and return to what we stand for as a Nation.
 

Barbara D. (73)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:41 am
Oh, sheesh. Thanks for this info, Carol!
 

Sandra S. (29)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:50 am
So this one of his "flexible" plans for us after he's re-elected? Shariah law has no place in this country. We are not going to become an Islamic theocracy if we have any say about it and we do in November. Shariah law is unconstitutional. It is a threat to civilized society.
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 10:13 am
Sad to read how many Americans are following Obama example. Obama shoveled the first scoop of sharia-grave soil over his shoulder, and together as Progressive Americans they’re now digging their OWN sharia-graves under the authority of the Saudi-king. Perhaps that first scoop of sand was tossed over his shoulder in order to blind so many Americans to the fact that they’re sharia-grave digging.

Sandra S: "We are not going to become an Islamic theocracy if we have any say about it and we do in November."

OBAMA Plans to Legalize 50 Million Muslim Immigrants to America

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2734278%3AVideo%3A346212&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video

Sandra, it seems Obama's plan IS indeed an Islamic theocracy for USA.
 

Diane O. (149)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 10:45 am
Excellent information, Alexandra R. America needs to wake up NOW and vote Obama out in November. We CAN stop him and we can get rid of the progressive democrats in our Congress at the same time. It's obvious the liberals don't want to talk about this because all they want to do is spread the weath in our country and make "personal responsibility Americans" a thing of the past. We cannot allow this to happen. We have a valuable weaponto use against this and that is our vote in November.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 11:49 am
Thanks so much everyone for your input on this! This right here is like a puzzle that one has been putting together but yet couldn't quite figure out what the picture was until this last puzzle piece was put in place!! Now it's very clear to see what the picture is and has been for a long time!! Anyone not being able to see this picture yet I truly feel sorry for. We can not and will not let Sharia Law take over this country and those who are pro Sharia need to go whether in is impeachment or whatever..the end result for sure is come November these people need to be taken out once and for all and we can NEVER let our guard down again to the vetting process of anyone who is running for a top position in our country! TRAITORS!! They are all traitors!! VOTE to end this insanity in November!!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 11:51 am
Linda and Yonati..Thanks for those informative links!!! It's down to the wire folks! We don't have a choice anymore!! This Administration HAS TO GO in November!!
 

Maui Gal (68)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 11:57 am
How shameful....and the dems are accusing the Republicans for the " War on Women"??? Geesh...how do you spell "hyprocrites"??? Kagen should have never have been given the nod to become a Supreme Court Judge. I think Newt got it right what he said about the Supreme Court Judges! Now we have her for life....
 

Penny C. (17)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 12:15 pm
how horrible. these anti-Americans need to go!
 

Mm M. (449)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 12:31 pm
Thank you Carol...Great Comments all! While I went directly to the news at site to read this article, then came back to leave a comment ~ Then saw you had it out there in the first comment.

Just when you hoped and prayed Obama would do NO more to HARM the USA of AMERICA he Does!

We Need to get him out of office and Make it REALLY QUICK!!! Four More Years of Distruction and the United States of America will sadly be run by a KING & QUEEN...all of the wonderful laws that were put into placeby America's Forefathers for people to Come to America and have a FREEDOM are getting Yanked away and WHAT IS SO SAD is Most People Don't even know it or sadly Don't Care.

Obama gave them a STORY they took it hook line and sinker, most are like blind Rats being led towards the CLIFF by the Pied Piper~

Seeing all of the things that have happened in the USA just during the TIME OBAMA has been in office is enough to trouble any TRUE AMERICAN that once was PROUD to Live and Breathe in America...
 

Jae A. (323)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 1:08 pm
Well ya love your freedom of religion and religion mixed in with politics , so deal with it folks ! It's what you are always demanding our nation do.

Really strange that during the Dubya years the same folks were around but no one was blaming him for their existence here. I really see little difference in Christian law than theirs...both are based on violence and hate of other religions especially. Persoanlly I believe both should be banned in the U.S.

Ok, carry on with your religious hate and fear of anyone not white.
 

Jae A. (323)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 1:16 pm
Almost forgot to add this before going on to more interesting threads....

I also find it strange that those who want religious rule/laws in our government feel that it's only their religion that will be that ruling force...and forced religion is never a good thing...no matter what religion it is...so as I said, learn to deal with it folks...your religion is no better than the next when it comes to 'religious laws'.
 

Tara Jane Hampton (17)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 1:38 pm
"Four more years of O & M and we will see the King and Queen" -- now those words really bother me. But his "sheeple" will keep on keepin' on and one day they will finally wake up and say "What happened". But maybe I'm giving them way too much credit. It's doubtful that they will ever wake up.

It's time to wake up people -- it's time to take out the garbage in the whitehouse. It's time for the intelligent people in this country to vote out this imposter. And, it's now time for me to say to some people - "I told you so."
 

Diane O. (149)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:16 pm
There's a big difference between Sharia Law, the law of the land, and different religions who believe in God and the individual interpretatons of the Bible. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. Any law that would encourage the killing of women albeit wives, daughters, female family member is simply not about God. It's about "control."

Trust me, we aren't going to allow our country to be a country that promotes murder because a woman looks at another man. We won't have "to deal with it." This country will simply not allow it and Elena Kagan shouldn't be on the Supreme Court based on her beliefs. How did this happen? President Obama set the stage. Obam is corrupt and blatantly un-American. He fooled many Americans in th beginning but never underestimate the American people in the end. We know what we have to do because we hold the "weapon" our votes in November. I've thought that the best place for Obama to "reign" is in the Middle East. He'll feel more accepted there.
 

BarbKnight SunshineLady (1627)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:18 pm
First thank you for posting Carol and thank you for the fwd Alexandra. I had high hopes for President Obama when he first moved into the White House but now I'll be happy to vote him OUT!!
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:21 pm
I too, BarbCat, had high hopes when Obama became president, but I too would be happy to see him voted out!

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Diane O. (149)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:23 pm
Tara Jane, I believe the second round of Americans are now on her feet and facing east. There's a tremendous amount of buyer's remorse and I believe they'll understand by reading this article and connecting the dots of Obama's "I'll fundaentally change this country" crusade. All Obama has delivered is financial chaos and a healthcare bill that is unconstitutional. His weakness with regard to foreign policy is despicable and blatant.....he acts more like a mobster than a President. Obama needs to be given his walking papers and where he goes after that is unimportant.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:40 pm
Thanks so much everyone for your very informative input!! This is SO SO SO SO important to get out to the American public to help them make up their minds come November.....we just can NOT keep going down this path and survive as a Blessed Country! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
 

Beth S. (316)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 3:45 pm
Thank you, Carol. Very frightening, indeed. One wonders WHY Kagan would go along with this. Shame. O needs to go!
 

Jae A. (323)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 5:08 pm
Diane O...I agree with your statement about any religion who encludes " killing of women albeit wives, daughters, female family member is simply not about God. It's about "control." I have to only assume you have read the Christian bible and know that those things all exist within it.

Obama is not our problem and he sure as heck hasn't proven to be the solution either..he has done more for the Bush cause than for the left no doubt... but the alternatives are worse. It really is interesting, and it should be upsetting to non-extremist that are Christians, to see/hear how the rightwing side have so many political candidates running that promote social hate/violence/fear as their political plateform and that do want religious laws passed by our Congress...but it does help others to see that they are the worst possible people to be elected next time. This article/thread certain shows that the thought of religious laws aren't ok if they are not of their choice of religion. I hope it is food for thought as to why chruch and state must remain seperate. Religious freedom as well as the freedom from religion is a good thing I beleive but forced religion, as I've said on a number of care2 threads, is never a good thing for a nation or it's people as a whole.

All in all , it is a serious topic but not as cut and dry as many might think as to religion becoming governmental laws....which in America simply means that every religion should have or will have a shot as it being their religions laws. To me if one has that chance then they all should unless we want to live in a fascist or theocracy/police state where one gorup gets to decide what religion all must follow , the same as those in the middle east are currently,..and as I have pointed out...which religion it might end up being here is up for grabs so how about we keep [and enforce]..as already mentioned..seperation of church and state in the U.S.
 

. (2)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 5:49 pm
Do you really want to stone your children if they don't obey you?

Fight!!! for your children.

Fight for yourself. I watched a video of a woman being whipped under Sharia law. lI wish I hadn't. It's a nightmare that got embedded. I'd rather not think about it. And I sure don't want it to happen to me or you or our daughters.
 

Mm M. (449)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 5:50 pm
Jae, do believe you stated in your above Comment....MOVING ON TO MORE INTERESTING NEWS...if this wasn't so interesting they you wouldn't of returned....UMMMMM Kinda wishy washy like our President aren't you????
 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 6:16 pm
Alternatives are worse? No, four more years of Obama could well be the end of your Republic. You cannot afford the debt that his administration is piling on you Jae. A bankrupt country is a weak country.
You need ANYBODY but him in the White House and the pickings are slim for sure but at least the ones trying for the office are fiscally conservative.

Religion of any kind has no place in politics but that being said if a prayer is said before a meeting - oh well. No skin off my nose because decisions made in that meeting are made according to a democratic vote of elected officials - not via any religious teachings as they should be.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 6:17 pm
No woman should ever be abused....no matter what the law states. Remember one interpretation of the "rule of thumb" was used many years ago in a court of law.
 

Mm M. (449)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 7:56 pm
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Mm M. (449)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 7:57 pm
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Ingrid A. (530)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 8:01 pm
Thank you Carol for the article. I believe that president Obama came into a whole lot of mess when Bush left. I do disagree with a few things president Obama has done.
 

Billie C. (2)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:00 pm
obama has divided this country so bad that while we have been busy trying to fight each other he has been slipping the knife into us so he can take over with his muslim owners. get him out of office. don't let them win and take our country.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:18 am
I see the loony birds are out in full force. Go for it. The more you open your yaps, the more ridiculous you prove yourselves to be.
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 2:58 am
The only part that is "loony" is when Americans turn a blind eye to what President Obama has done to our country in our years. He has stacked the deck for massive government control over our lives. While the liberals are praising our first black President with unconditional acceptance, this Messiah has managed to put the taxpayers in nearly $7 trllion more debt with nothing to show for it. Now....who is "loony?" The great Party of No were elected in November 2010 taking the spenders out. That was America talking to the liberals and it worked.

If you want to bury your head in the sand that is your choice. Meanwhile, 68% of Americans are against ObamaCare as it is unconstitutional. So, it appears that those who don't believe it is unconstitutional have sand in their eyes and aren't paying attention. Again, that's a personal choice.

The "more we open our yaps" the more we are making concerned Americans aware of Obama's real agenda for America. We have captured the attentio of 68% of the country and we aren't finishd. It is our duty as Americans to speak out and bring the truth to every website that supports Obama, the charlatan.
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:00 am
correction: "in four years."
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:44 am
Can't send you any more green stars Diane! :-( Thanks!
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:03 am
GREEN STARS FOR CAROL AND HER FRONT PAGE STORY!!!!!
 

Mm M. (449)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:26 am
Diane Stars to you, sorry I sent it on the correction one, was meaning to send the star for your comment about your correction...

Star to you Too Carol!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:25 am
This is fear-mongering.
Separation of church & state is a core value of America.
No religion should have undue influence on our government.
Tax-free status also violates this premise.
No "Prince of Peace" would endorse this type of story.
Many people came to America to escape religious persecution.
Why should the rest of us have to die for the religion of others?
The Christian Church is NOW enjoying "Go to Christian Church or Go to Jail" LAWS.
What makes that any different? We don't have "Go to Mosque or Go to Jail" laws.
Don't misunderstand, I am a Spiritual Humanist - NEITHER of these religions are mine. Why is my life threatened over an argument that has NOTHING to do with me or mine? Yah taught tolerance, are you ignoring his teachings to further a political power play? What is going on here? Are you trying to start a war?
Why not respond to this correctly by demanding separation of church and state?
This is the second time I am having to post a comment, someone is deleting comments they don't like. Could prejudice be at work here???
Religious domination is not a government issue nor a right of any religion in America. Stop the violence, stop the religious rehetoric.
Do you believe a religious war will assure victory for one party or the other?
This type of post should be investigated.
Our families should not live in fear because someone wants to create fear.
Creating fear is the definition of "Terrorism".
An investigation of this story is in order.
Separation of church & state should be enforced.
ANY violation violates MY right to 'Freedom FROM Religion".
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:35 am
Thanks I love those beautiful green stars. However, what I love more is my beautiful country and I cannot stand idle while President Obama is breaking our country down piece by piece. You know, he's a sly one on one hand and blatantly transparent on the other. It is almost as of he is so wrapped up in "acting" that he forgets where the hell he is and that's when he trips up. I am thoroughly embarrassed by my President from the moment after he was inaugurated going around the world apologizing for our great country to spending an entire year on the unconstitutional ObamaCare (Cloward-Piven Strategy) while our small businesses were dying on the vine....Obama didn't care that 53% of our middle and lower middle class Americans are employed by our small businesses. Over that time period the small businesses were hit with higher taxes and a penalty if they did not provide health insurance and then they started shedding jobs and stopped growing their businesses. And during that time, Obama sealed his legacy healthcare bill. First things first.

So, I ask the liberals, what about this brightens your day when you know the President has failed at everything including foreign affairs? I didn't think any President could be worse than Jimmy Carter in destroying our foreign relationships but I was wrong. And, to our liberals, how do you feel about the outrageous gas prices and President Obama riding in driving a taxpayer funded Volt opening the pipeline???? If you don't think we have a comedian as a President who isn't getting any laughs then you haven't been paying attention. 68% of Americans have been paying attention.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 8:54 am
Diane, you definitly deserve them, I will be sending you one as soon as I fniish typing this message!

 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 11:56 am
Dang! I wish Care2 had more options to send more green stars!! We need more Americans to wake up and smell the traitors in this country!
 

Gayle R. (27)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:32 pm
I'm beginning to believe that someone needs to do a serious study to discover if people on the left or right live longer. Just from observing comments like so many of these, I'd bet money (and I don't gamble) that people on the right have more strokes and heart attacks than anyone else. All the imagined conspiracy theories, misinformation and deep down hatred of so many things is bound to hurt the human system. I truly have sympathy for all of you, you can't be very happy people.
 

Mm M. (449)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 1:04 pm
Gayle, I certainly don't have DEEP DOWN HATRED for anyone, though I do question many peoples sanity sometimes!
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 1:18 pm
Gayle, may I suggest that you save your sympathy for those who might find value in it. Those of us on the right are strong, healthy and paying attention to the last four years of "Life with The Obama's in OUR White House." We've watched Obama spend nearly $7 TRILLION, yes that's with a "T" of taxpayer money and what has he accomplished? The Lily Ledbetter Act? That would be it. At the moment, the SCOTUS is leaning towards repealing the entire healthcare bill. 26 states have denied Obamacare. 68% of Americans want ObamaCare repealed. That doesn't make me angry. That makes me very happy. How does that make you feel? Angry...mad? It's not appropriate for me to use the word "hatred" here.

Quite frankly, I can conjure up a tad of sympathy for those of you who voted for Barack Obama because you obviously did so without vetting him. I don't believe many of you read his racist book "Dreams From My Father." Many of you cast a "feel good vote" in 2008 instead of making an intelligent choice. And, I'm not talking about John McCain. I'm talking about Hillary Clinton. Once your party threw her under the bus to make room for the Messiah, I knew right then that "intelligence" wasn't a factor in that decision. In essence, you threw her away and made room for a colossal loser....and a BIG spender who happens to be a liar and getting better every day developing his singing and acting skills. Meanwhile, the debt gets higher every day but at least Obama is having fun honing new skills.

We aren't full of hatred...we are truth seekers....and we are tenacious in uncovering the truth. Once we discover the facts we bring those facts to the people here on Care Two. The problem with the democrats is that they aren't use to hearing the truth especially from President Obama so to many of you it is unrecognizable. How do I know this? Because you confuse the truth with hatred.

Thank you for weighing in, Gayle. It's always a pleasure to actually read a civil post from a democrat.

 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 2:41 pm
Wow Gayle....have you ever lost a friend or family member to a stroke or heart attack? Your empathy is unbelievable. Can't you debate and stay above this kind of abuse? I feel so sorry for you. Enough said.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:06 pm
All the imagined conspiracy theories, misinformation and deep down hatred of so many things is bound to hurt the human system.

Gayle....Are you calling this a conspiracy theory!? IF so WOW! I will give you a little more time though to read it over a couple more times and then possibly do more searching on your own on all points in this article! I bet you could come up with a ton more info on all of it than what is showing in this article. You might not like what you find but at least it will be truth. The only deep down hatred of things I have is how Obama has destroyed this country and continues to do so but you appear to not see it is my guess! And for that you have my sympathies! BUT.....Don't give up!! You still have time to check out all the info! I have heard it said that the day we stop learning is the day we are 6ft under...please don't let that happen to you!!! And as far as happy goes...any time I see a bill thrown out that Obama has brought about I am estatic!!! It thrills me to pieces! I do see a lot of hatred on the left though I will admit that! It makes me kinda sad to see them in so much turmoil too but you can only do so much to try and help them. God helps those who help themselves! I certainly do wish you the best of wisdom to come and I hope it helps ease your frustrations you appear to have. You sound like a wonderful person and I would rather see you happy than to feel the way you do about this country. We all have to do our part!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:13 pm
Food for thought between the Liberals and the Conservatives....Does anyone see any of these in todays political scheme of things!?!? Do we see this happening today!?!? Mmmmmmmmm....you be da judge!!

People who don’t follow politics tend to believe that conservatives and liberals are just flip sides of the same coin. In other words, conservatives are pro-life, pro-gun, and fiscally conservative while liberals are pro-choice, anti-gun, and want to tax and spend, but otherwise, there are no real differences.

However, if you follow politics closely, you’ll find that there’s a gulf as wide as the ocean between the average politically active conservative and the average politically active liberal. We don’t just have political differences; we view the world through very different eyes.

Of course, I don’t want to oversell this because as Americans, conservatives and liberals are more alike than different. There also tend to be differences between people who are heavily politically involved and those who aren’t. This column focuses on those of us who are more politically active, as opposed to people who don’t pay much attention to politics.

I’d also add that in every category, you’ll find exceptions that prove the rule. Moreover, sometimes you’ll find both conservatives and liberals engaging in the same behavior, although one side tends to do it much more than the other. All that being said, after spending a decade blogging, here are just a few of the genuine differences that have become apparent over the years.

1) Conservatives are more patriotic than liberals: Conservatives tend to focus on the positive things about America, while liberals focus on the negative. If the first thoughts that came to your mind when you thought of America were “slavery,” “imperialism,” and “unfairly using too much of the world’s resources,” you probably wouldn’t like America very much either. Conservatives, on the other hand, look at the fact that we saved the world in WWI, WWII, and the Cold War, take pride in the fact that we have contributed so much to the planet, and believe America has had a tremendous positive impact on history. The conservative view produces love of country. The other view produces a deep seated dislike of our nation.

2) It’s socially acceptable for liberals to lie about conservatives: Whether you’re talking about theNew York Times, The Washington Post, or the Daily Kos, it’s considered to be perfectly acceptable to lie about conservatives. That’s because, as Charles Krauthammer once said,

To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.

If you think your opponents are evil, you tend to be okay with using tactics that you would describe as “evil” under other circumstances to fight them. If you’re up against people you compare to Nazis, it’s easy to tell yourself that lying to beat them isn’t so bad. If you’re in a dispute with people who you believe are just too stupid to understand what’s going on, you feel compelled to try to explain yourself a little better.

3) Conservatives are results-oriented. Liberals are not: If you understand one thing about liberals, understand this: Liberalism is nothing more than “childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues.” That’s why they don’t care very much about whether the programs they advocate work or not. Proposing programs isn’t really about what will help the most people to liberals; it’s about making them feel good about themselves. On the other hand, conservatives are results-oriented, which is why they tend to be so down on the government, which is inevitably slower, more expensive, and less effective than the private sector at pretty much everything.

4) Conservatives care about the Constitution. Liberals don’t: Conservatives believe that we need to try to interpret the Constitution in the way that the Founders intended it to be read and if we want to change it, then we need to pass a Constitutional Amendment. Liberals believe in a “living Constitution,” which is functionally no different than believing in no Constitution at all. If you believe in a “living Constitution,” you think it is okay to do whatever you want for political reasons and then come up with a legal justification afterwards, which you’ll then call “constitutional law.”

5) Liberals are much more misogynistic than conservatives: If you’re a prominent conservative woman, you will be deluged with rape threats, death threats, attacks on your family, attacks on your looks, and offers to give you a good screwing as a public service. In other words, what you’ve seen with Sarah Palin is actually the same thing that happens to most prominent conservative women, but on a larger scale. That’s not to say that liberal women don’t get some of the same treatment, but it’s several orders of magnitude worse for women on the Right.
That’s largely because liberals claim the “feminist” mantle and so, if they’re feminists, then obviously they can’t be “anti-woman” no matter what they actually say, right? Even worse, most of the actual feminist women on the Left tend to either participate in the abuse or, alternately, turn a blind eye to it as long as it’s aimed at conservative women.

6) Conservatives are happier people than liberals: Despite all the claims you hear that conservatives are angry, cruel, and mean, conservatives are much happier people than liberals. This is something that has been consistently proven in studies and, let’s face it — anyone who knows a lot of liberals and conservatives will tell you that it’s not a surprise. Conservatives love the country they live in, they’re more likely to be Christian, and they take responsibility for their own lives instead of griping that the world is terribly unfair. If you want to be a happy person, you’re more likely to be a happy conservative than a happy liberal.

7) Conservatives are better Christians than liberals: Certainly there are debates about social conservatism and Christianity on the conservative side of the fence, but Christian conservatism is considered to be a honorable and important part of the Republican base. People are going to hate to hear this, despite the fact it’s absolutely true, but Christianity and liberalism have become largely incompatible. That’s because there are so many liberals who are implacably hostile to Christianity that liberal Christians are left with one of two unpalatable choices. Either they can water their Christian beliefs down into thin gruel so as to be compatible with liberalism or liberal Christians can choose to be cringing dogs and keep their mouths shut while their beliefs are regularly insulted, demeaned, and attacked by their fellow liberals. Neither option should be acceptable to someone who has a strong Christian faith.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:31 pm
Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Liberals believe in equality of outcome.

MIKE ROSEN, Rocky Mountain News, Mar. 31, 2000
 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:49 pm
Women (and men) are abused by both parties every day.....it makes no difference of skin color, financial status or what political party you belong to. This is where we should at least be coming together being against Sharia Law and it does not belong in America....my God....aren't we all better than that? Donate your time in a women's shelter who are abused and see what it has done to the children....they live in fear daily. This is not America when we allow such laws to burden our courtrooms. Elena Kagen should be ashamed of herself to even think that this law should be accepted here in America, or any country for that matter. Does she hate women that much?
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 3:56 pm
Excellent comments from Carol and Maui....understand ...and if you can't...explore what Sharia Law means. know the enemy and know that the United States of America promotes women. We don't "kill" our daughters, our wives our extended female members because the are human and aren't perfect within the Sharia Law cnfines of its doctrine...we embrace women in our country. Sharia Law and Elena Kagan have no place in our lives....as Americans.
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:02 pm
correction: ""because they are human." and "within the Sharia Law confines"

Know this...America....that we are not a country who will accept the devaluation of women in our country after we have worked so hard to bring women to th forefront. Sharia Law won't work in America. We ae so far beyond that medieval mindset that women aren't valuable. Not only are women superior in America but they are the role models for the rest of the wold where women are so wrongly discounted as unimportant. Women raise the children who then become leaders in all of our countries.
 

Diane O. (149)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:07 pm
My apologies for the typos but the font is so damn small I can barely read it myself LOL!
 

Gayle R. (27)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:53 pm
Diane, if you were truly seeking truth you would be doing it from more than a one-sided group of sources. If you don't read everything, you're not truly informed. And by everything, I mean you have to read from the right and the left, then research on your own to find the medium ground that will be closer to the truth. If you're not doing all of that you are not actually seeking.

Believe me, no one is going to implement Sharia Law in the U.S. It's an irrational and unsubstantiated fear.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:10 pm
Gayle, here in Canada the Canadian Muslim Association fights the appearance of Sharia law on all fronts. They say it is unconstitutional, anti women, abusive and the list goes on.

Your American Muslim Association rarely speaks out about ANYTHING! Because they are afraid to. Radicals in the Muslim sect are few. That is fact but they are powerful. Kill without cause and are a violent sector of that faith many Muslim fear.

If you had actually READ the story you would have learned things you did not know before. If Kagan has any sympathetic trends towards this kind of ideoligy she HAS NO BUSINESS being on the supreme court.

But then Democrats and their vetting process are very transparent to us now eh? THEY DANG WELL DO NOT HAVE ONE.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:11 pm
BTW if I leave a comment on an article I ALWAYS NOTE IT for the poster. You didn't so flew your colours for all of us to see.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:35 pm
No, the blog posted here is not a conspiracy theory. That is far too kind. This is an outright lie, a total fabrication by desperate ideologues trying incoherently to attack anyone and everyone not as disturbed and crazed as they are. This is hate run amok deliberately trying to create fear run amok.

This is contemptable.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 8:28 pm
This 'story' is not news, it is a shameful experience of the hate-filled conservatives in America. The whole world is watching this show of hate and immorality being displayed by Republcans. Their politicians are genuinely full of crap and their constituients are trying to smear it on everyone so as to camoflage themselves.
It is not working, everyone knows where the smell is coming from. Reoublicans have no real economic plan, just a barrel of hate to share with us. Posting these lies is unAmerican and a form of Terrorism. Homeland Security should be looking you up Carol,you are a terrorist. This is one of the worst displays of religious fundamentalist hate speech I have seen on Care2 in quite awhile.
I feel sorry for you poor people who have to make up stories to get attention.
This is a direct attack on freedom of religion and a attempt to claim exclusive ownership of America by Christians. Christians don't even know their own religion. The word 'Christian' only appears in their Bible 3 times. Most don't know their God's name nor his son's. 'Kristonos' (the smeared ones) as a derogatory Greek term for those who followed 'the way'. Jesus could not have been called 'Jesus', the letter 'J' was not invented until the 6th or 7th century.
This whole post is antagonistic, baiting people into a shouting reprisal.
Rather than do that, I have a lawyer friend whom might be inteested in the fact that Care2 allows, maybe even encourages, hate speech.
There are alot of things I would like to say about some people around Care2, but don't. This is called 'civil conduct'. This article could be interpreted religious bullying. Maybe suing Care2 for harboring hate criminals would be a good case to take to SCOTUS. They would like the subject matter of this case. The news shows would love it.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 9:48 pm
John...John,...John....Take a deep breath!! If you want to know about hatred and who has started the wars and THRIVED on them...remember we always hear it's the right by all means go out and buy the book called LIBERAL FASCISM : BY Jonnah Goldberg...I think it's 2 n's...anyway..you read that book and then come back and tell me who is full of hatred and who is baiting and antagonistic..IF you have the guts go buy it and read it and all of your friends too!! And by the way is that a threat about your Lawyer buddy!?!? I also have a Lawyer buddy..but better than that I am in a couple of Major Lawyer Institutions who just LOVE going after somebody like you and they would chew you up and spit you out and they would do it for free!! How do you like those apples!? This article is the truth and seeing as how you are a liberal you can't STAND the truth!! If you have any wisdom at all wake up before your country is gone but the way it's going it will be us who saves your A*S and there will be no thanks for it either because YOU are the one filled with hatred!! Whenever it is the truth the liberals can't handle it! So if you intend to make good on your threat bud bring it on and we'll see where the bear sh*ts in the buckwheat!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 9:53 pm
Norm...the last message is a ditto for you too! I see no sense in trying to make sense twice to people who refuse to open eyes!! As a matter of fact Gayle..jump in here too maybe I can kill 3 birds with one stone!?!?

Cam..I don't expect these people here who cry foul on the right to have so much hatred in them to lift their finger to note my story..heaven forbid that would take some integrity which they DON'T have or respect! Nahhhhh...It's more fun watching them prove to EVERYONE who are the ones filled with hatred here! :-)
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 10:07 pm
If I could send more green stars to all those brave souls on this thread who have fearlessly spoken out against the threat of unacceptable behaviour, violence, killing, abuse, etc in sharia law (and Judge Elena Kagan making it legal in US), I would have done so!

I appreciate and admire your fearless ability to speak out even when threatened.

Know that you're not alone: Dr. Tawfik Hamid, is an Islamic thinker and reformer, and one time Islamic extremist from Egypt. He was a member of a terrorist Islamic organization JI with Dr. Ayman Al-Zawaherri who became later on the second in command of Al-Qaeda. Some twenty-five years ago, he recognized the threat of Radical Islam and the need for a reformation based upon modern peaceful interpretations of classical Islamic core texts.

Dr. Hamid endeavors to counterbalance the radical teaching. See: http://www.tawfikhamid.com/mr-tolerence/ Mr. Tolerance was written by Dr. Tawfik Hamid and is an illustrated discussion between Mr. Tolerance (who represents an apologetic attitude toward Radical Islam) and Mr. Bin Liden.

Together with Dr Hamid and other brave souls who are fearlessly speaking out against the threat of radical teaching and radical laws:

Down with Violence, Killing, Abuse, Bullying, Sharia ..!!! Keep it illegal ..!!! Down with an Apologetic Attitude to Radical Islam ..!!!

Up with Peace and Love instead ..!!! Keep it legal ..!!! Reform Radical Islam ..!!!



 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 10:26 pm
Jae, eons have gone by since the Bible was written - however laws under Shariah still apply today - ISLAM is a cult that has not thrown off the cloak of ignorance and hatred of its stoneage past but still wants it applied now. It is almost visceral in its adherence to the Koran and seeks bring about Islamic rule in countries everywhere. Like fleas on dogs -there will be no getting rid of its hydrophobic rule.
Excellent post Carol.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 10:43 pm
Where were all these "patriots" when W had people arrested for T shirts? Where were they when the hilariously entitled USA Patriot Act was passed? Where were they when W and the Hammer kept the vote open for hours instead of the traditional 15 mins.so they could bribe one or two more Republican members to pass the Part D program for which they lied about the cost? Where were you/they when W and Cheney lied 4,000+ American service members to their deaths in Iraq? Where were you/they when W started spying on us all? Where were you/they when W and Skeletor militarized the police? Where were you when Cheney outed a CIA agent? Where were you when "Dollar Bill" Phil and "Hot Tub Tom" and others did away with Glass-Steagall? Where were you when W said that Islam was a religion of peace? Where were you when town councilmen in Fargo were restricted from attending a public event of W's? Where were you when invited spectators at one of W's SOTU addresses were thrown out for a T-shirt? Where were you when W lost interest in nabbing bin Laden? Where were you when W's FBI tried to get our library records?

Nowhere. Stone silent. Completely unconcerned.

And that's where you would be today if McCain had been elected. But because the guy with a strange sounding name is in the WH, you go all batcrap crazy! You ran out to your local gun shop and immediately bought up all the ammo and blamed that on the president; even though, you bought it all up before he was inaugurated. Now many of you are running out to join militias that you didn't while W was shredding the Constitution.

Thy name be hypocrite.

I realize that this may come as a surprise to you, but everything written on a few batcrazed blogs is no more true than was the "Arkansas Project" housed at the American Spectator and bankrolled by Richard Mellon Scaife. Hate and fear are contagious. Ignorance is natural but correctable. They are also unbecoming of a human being.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 10:46 pm
Carol,

I do not "note" lies. I only "note" stories with a sense of decency and honesty.
 

Gina J. (29)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 11:08 pm
W had people arrested for T shirts??? Oh MY! Link please! I did not know this!
Norm PLEEEZE give me links to all of your allegations in your post above! I need to research all that you've posted!
Waiting!
 

Marj C. (4)
Friday March 30, 2012, 12:55 am
In case Norm cannot get back in here, I'll give you what I know about the T-shirts. At the 2006 State of the Union, Cindy Sheehan wore a T-shirt that said something about those killed in Iraq and was removed from the gallery and charged with unlawful conduct. The charges were dropped later. Beverly Young, wife of Bill Young, R-FL was also removed -- they did not understand the message on her shirt. As far as I know, she was not charged with anything.

The several incidents of arresting protesters with only signs or T-shirts along a Bush motorcade can be found in a story at AOL's Huffington Post site here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/catherine-crump/unconstitutional-acts-to-_b_81597.html

on USA Today here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-07-23-bush-protesters_x.htm
 

Cam V. (417)
Friday March 30, 2012, 1:24 am
Look Norm, BUSH IS GONE ..... has been gone for four years now. It is not about Bush anymore and yeah, a lot of dang mistakes were made by him and all the presidents before him. Like using Czars to bypass your congress and senate which are the peoples representatives and voice in government. Using those damn Czars to dictate policy instead of passing it in a democratic manner. Like using executive orders like candy and then there is the debt.

Under Obama you lost your triple AAA rating ..... AND his administration created MORE DEBT per American than ALL THE ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE HIM! America will not survive another four years of this Obamanation. His inexperience has almost single handed DESTROYED your standing in the world and your economy.

If you want to 'talk' about this in a reasonable manner do so. But don't come in here and think that anyone in this thread is going to be bullied by the name calling your first post brought here. I know you can have rational conversations and every poster here who is now speaking out against Obama can hold their own with facts.

What have you got to fight with buddy? NOTHING thats what because Obama sure as hell cannot run on his record now can he.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Friday March 30, 2012, 1:59 am
Sending out green stars....grab them as they go past OK?? :-)
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 30, 2012, 2:27 am
What is wrong with you Norm - can't stand to hear the truth spoken for a change?
 

Stan B. (122)
Friday March 30, 2012, 3:14 am
The loony left thinks it has a monopoly on dogma and polemics. They don't like it when they are given back some of the same they are so quick to dish out.
John Cause. Have a word with your lawyer friend and see if you have a case for legal action against Care 2. When he's stopped laughing go home and take a couple of valium.
If you seriously think this thread contains any serious hate speech you need to get out more.

Carol. Somehow I can't imagine you running out and joining a militia. What a laugh!!!!!!
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday March 30, 2012, 3:19 am
It should be stated here that arresting someone for wearing a t-shirt is a one time occurrence and is not imbedded into our society. It's an iolated incident. Sharia Law degrades and murders women. It's not a one time occurrence it is their "law of the land" and its connotation that is frightening.

President Obama stacked the deck with Elena Kagan. He promoted her for a reason. He also appointed a communist, Van Jones, as his green czar. Never underestimate the devious deeds of President Obama. He uses The Cloward-Piven Strategy as his blueprint for Amerca. Elena Kagan is but one small piece of the larger picture as was Van Jones. But, when you put them all together, connect the dots, you clearly see the blueprint .

To those of you who are skeptical you might consider rereading this article and then doing more research on your own. Our media, unfortunately, is left wing controlled. We all know that. Care Two is a left wing website. If you doubt me, read the thread titles everyday on the public political forum. In my opinion, they are on a third grade level.. They hammer republicans in the political arena hourly...over and over again....and the same liberal comments are posted every day. To say it is blatant bias would be an understatement. But, that's okay. Freedom of speech. I respect everyone's right to say how they feel. It's always better to speak from a position of knowledge based on the facts. Carol's article is factual and thereby truthful. Some may not like it becaue they don't fully understand the danger of Sharia Law in our country. Quite frankly, I'm surprised the democrats aren't outraged by this as well as we all have daughters, mothers, sisters, etc.

Yes, Cam, under Obama our country lost its pristine AAA rating due to his excessive spending. It's called the debt to income ratio and can be directly attributed to the failed $860 billion stimulus which was loaded with private sector green companies which have now gone bankrupt. Appears that everything Obama has touched in he past four years has turned to dust. Meanwhile, we are stuck with over $7 trillion of debt under his watch. Our country simply cannot afford four more years of Obama. Anyone who votes for Obama in November has been asleep for the past four years.
 

monica r. (41)
Friday March 30, 2012, 4:17 am
NO theocracy, of any kind, should happen here. I'm a Christian, which means I follow what Jesus said, and those who claim his name but promote violence are not Christians at all. He did not teach us to kill, rape, beat wives, and when it came to stoning adulterers, he STOPPED it. I don't want a Christian theocracy either. Church and State should be separate, and our founding fathers observed that this benefitted the church side as well as the state.

Sharia is barbaric. It is not compatible with western democracy or with human rights as understood in the west. Look at countries living under it. No freedom of religion or expression, barbaric punishments of stonings, hangings, amputations, and beheadings. Women are worth half a man, including court testimony. We see beatings as abuse, they define beating a wife as a mercy to her.

Why any progressive or pro-woman or pro-LGBT person would in ANY way favor Islam, which is, according to Muslims who actually live according to the quran, INSEPARABLE from sharia, is beyond me. Where are the feminists? They cry about a war on women now? Wait until we have sharia to see what war on women really looks like. Your word is half a man's, you inherit half what your brother gets, you need to cover up even if you aren't Muslim, and you can't leave the house without a man's permission. And your husband can't rape you. The quran says you put out when he wants it, and so does sharia, and if you don't comply, he can beat you (this was the issue when the NJ judge refused a restraining order to a Muslim wife who'd been serially raped and beaten: his RELIGION said that's his right, so the judge followed sharia not local domestic violence laws). Islam insists on death for gays. They don't all agree on how. Some sects hang them, some favor burning, or throwing from "high places." Apostates also get a death sentence. Freedom of religion under sharia means you are free to convert, if you don't you are subject to heavy taxation until you feel yourself to be subordinate to your Muslim neighbors, or possibly death if you won't join up. If you DO convert, there ends your freedom. Death for apostates. You can't leave without endangering your safety. Luckily in the west the droves of people leaving Islam make it impossible for the penalty to be applied, but for those in Muslim countries, they are at serious risk.

As far as social justice, charity is for other Muslims only, and even then the wrong sect is out of luck. While America got trashed for not sending enough money for the flood victims, we sent a LOT more than Muslim countries, even ones with lots of oil wealth.

If Kagan is pro-sharia, that automatically makes her anti-woman and anti-gay. Also anti-Bill-of-Rights. And anti-human-rights.
 

monica r. (41)
Friday March 30, 2012, 4:24 am
Cam,

As long as the Patriot Act still stands, it IS still about Bush, too. "Shredded the Constitution" is putting it mildly.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Friday March 30, 2012, 4:46 am
Kagan should read this
http://www.care2.com/news/member/662374011/3161538
How could a person reach that rank and still be ignorant--
 

Maui Gal (68)
Friday March 30, 2012, 7:16 am
Norm.....evidently you weren't following me around to read some of my posts during President Bush's years....but there were several of us here speaking out. That's what Conservatives do....they speak out, no matter what the party....if a president is doing wrong, we call them out on it...that's why "we the people" have that right. No one should stick their heads in the sand and allow the government to dishonor Our Country and the people.....we all need to be awakened to what is happening now and use our voices while we still have them....the way obama is destroying Our Country now, we may not have "our voices" in the next four years...that's a very scary thought and it should be for all of us. Stand up and call out our president when there are wrong doings....don't be afraid!!! Right now this country is so divided....don't you ever ask yourself why? And for those who want to play the race card whenever we disagree against obama....it doesn't work anymore. You might as well yell "Wolf"....it is falling on deaf ears, and it just makes you look silly and not intelligent enough to debate the issue at hand. Cam, you are so right....the Bush years are over....we can't do anything to change the mistakes that were made....but there is still time to change the mistakes that obama is making....and you may not think it....but our voices are being heard. ..even though we are up against a left wing media, people are listening....not everyone is burying their heads in the sand....they are now too asking the important questions that need to be asked.....they too are concerned. We won't change all the minds, no doubt, but we will reach enough to at least open their eyes and see that obama is destroying America when they go to the polling booths.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Friday March 30, 2012, 8:07 am
Jae E, you really amaze with that comment that Christian 'law' is the same is Islamic/Sharia law!

Jesus taught love your neighbor as yourself, even your enemies, to forgive those who do you harm, to not judge anyone or cast stones at them, to turn the other cheek when someone strikes you, and he never said a word against gay people (despite what some who 'claim' to be his followers say), he scandalized his community by befriending women and having them as friends, etc etc. It's all about peace, love and non-violence. Just because it is very hard to live and few have ever lived his teachings don't demean them at all.

Mohammed, if you would do some studying, taught the exact opposite of all that Jesus taught. He taught to only love your Muslim neighbor (even his moon god Allah doesn't love non-Muslims), to hit back if struck, to kill and steal and take and have slaves. Islamic/Sharia law has rules like cutting off hands/feet of thieves, killing those who criticize Islam or leave it (no freedom of religion, conscience or speech in any Islamic occupied land), the killing of gay people and the stoning of rape victims because Allah says they are liars if they can't produce 4 Muslim men as witnesses!

Islam's 'morality' which Muslims make much of as for its superiority to the West's, allows men to slake their lust on up to 4 'wives' and divorce is easy (for men anyway, and Saudi Arabia the seat of Islam has the second highest divorce rate in the world), they can 'marry' little girls and have sex with them (as Mohammed himself did with 6y/o Aisha), slavery is still condoned, sex slaves are condoned (as long as they're not Muslims), non-Muslims are to be treated as second class citizens and can never be equal to Muslims, and parents or grandparents can kill their children/grandchildren and there is no penalty, or question. Men can beat their wives and Allah commands Muslims to take retribution. There's so much more. This bears zero similarity to what Jesus taught.

Mohammed was a bandit, raped captive women and took some as 'wives' and others as sex slaves (he had a harem of each), he kidnapped people for ransom, was a mass murderer (he had 900 Jewish men and boys beheaded for refusing to convert while he laughed at the horror and divided up their property, including their wives, taken as sex slaves or sold). He was an adulterer, liar, and cruel man who ordered some people to be horribly tortured. He captured, owned, traded and sold slaves (still condoned in Islam. Muslims were the biggest slave traders for centuries and some still are). Allah condoned Muslims' raids and massacres of other peoples and gave them 'booty' as a just reward, of course he said Mohammed should get the biggest share!

There are few true Christians, and never have been many, but people who follow Old Testament laws or the rantings of the women-hating, homophobic Paul, but few who have ever followed the teachings of Jesus himself. BUT to equate Christ's 'laws'/teachings with those of one of the most evil men who ever lived, Mohammed, is incredible! You're being blinded by your hatred of religious bigots who have nothing to do with Christ's teachings.
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday March 30, 2012, 8:56 am
The Patriot Act has kept our country safe for the past 11 years. Had it not been in place we would have radicals/jihadists entering our country daily by air, land and sea. No questions asked. Is that what YOU want? They would be laundering money through investment companies, banks, ATM's etc, buying bomb materials all over our country and no one would have to report it. Is that what you would prefer???

Please, know what you are talking about before you actually post. This administration, as lame as they are, recognized that every safety measure Bush put in place must remain as it is. Obama didn't close GITMO either, in case you haven't noticed.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Friday March 30, 2012, 11:28 am
Diane..I read about the Patriot Act in Bush's book that he wrote amongst other very helpful info I did not realize and the Patriot Act as much as some people hate it truly do not understand what it all encompasses! This statement here that you made...

To those of you who are skeptical you might consider rereading this article and then doing more research on your own. Our media, unfortunately, is left wing controlled.

This is so true and reading the book LIBERAL FASCISM By Jonnah Goldberg shows that this started taking place in the early 1900's by Liberal/Progressives and as we can see it is still working overtime in this country! Just as it shows where all the wars that were started back then were from Liberal/Progressives under the guise that it was good for the country! It got more people involved in the country....and what do we hear today but the Liberal left accusing the right of bringing on all the wars...sorry it isn't so!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Friday March 30, 2012, 11:33 am
Carol. Somehow I can't imagine you running out and joining a militia. What a laugh!!!!!!

Stan...I guess in my old age I have gained enough wisdom to realize nobody else is going to fight for me so it's up to me and whatever it takes! LOL
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday March 30, 2012, 11:56 am
Carol, this administration has not changed one of those safety measures. That should tell our Obama worshipers something about how effective they are. Part of the Patriot Act is for banks and investment companies to watch for unusual activity in their accounts. For instance, a new client gives limited information but enough to open an account with $100,000.00. Three days later, the money leaves, going to another bank or investment company. That's what is called money laundering, moving it around until it gets to the right person who will then pull the funds out of the account and distribute it perhaps for bomb supplies. Another example would all of our small businesses who sell certain types of chemicals....beauty supply outlets that cell acetone in large containers, etc. If someone orders over a certain amount of that it must be reported to the government....that's The Patriot Act.

When I read the absurd comments by some liberals about how bad The Patriot Act is I KNOW they have no idea what it was designed to do. Bottom line, CarolD, history will be very very kind to George W. Bush. President Obama is actually making him look like a saint.

I've got the book "Liberal Fascim" on my to read list. Thank you for sharing it with all of us.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Friday March 30, 2012, 6:17 pm
Excellent post Carol. I see the usual cast of characters are still quick to pile on and spew hate when they disagree. Sad, just sad.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday March 30, 2012, 8:31 pm
Growing Up, Kagan Tested Boundaries of Her Faith
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13synagogue.html?_r=1&hp&ex=&ei=&partner=

While my research has turned up some very interesting thought provoking information on Justice Kagan not an ounce of this research leads me to believe that she is tuned into Sharia law. The information has Justice Kagan leaning heavily in the area of Israeli Zionism. She considers herself a Conservative Jew. She had her bat mitzvah and had a tangle with the Rabbi on how her bat mitzvah should proceed.

There's tons of varied information to research. See what you come up with but this accusation above does not make sense. But then again, in the world of poli-tics one never knows.
 

Norm C. (74)
Friday March 30, 2012, 8:54 pm
Bush may be gone but his crimes live on, Cam/Hans/Lilith/Pink/Ben/Paul/Sir R. Tell that to the families of the thousands of Americans killed in Iraq. After all you're still fighting FDR, LBJ and JFK. And who could forget the wondrously hate-filled lies and attacks on Clinton? They are all gone, but you keep dredging up your favorite attacks on each. None of them are really gone as long as anyone remembers them, but more importantly so long as others were affected for good or ill. And America has been significantly affected for ill thanks to RMN, GWB and RWR, a few of the all time most destructive of the economy (along with WJC).

For any of the trolls to accuse others of hate is farce and hypocrisy taken to the highest level, especially considering the article under discussion.

Maui Gal,

How could we have followed you around during the Bush years since you only joined Care2 when the guy with the odd name became president? Please spare us the hogwash.

And no, it's not what conservatives do. What conservatives do is feign great outrage at any effort by others to correct your lies or talk back. What conservatives do is exactly what this article is, a personal attack that is filled with lies, distortions and misinformation. What conservatives do is project their sins onto everyone else -- one can always tell what conservatives are doing behind everyone's back by what they accuse others of doing even when they are not. What conservatives do is parade in lockstep behind the most absurd and demonstrably destructive proposals in US history, but to be frank most people working within an institution tend to fall in line with their appointed leader (witness the Dems who joined the Repubs in voting for NAFTA under Clinton but not GHW Bush or joined the Repubs voting for the Enron loophole and the repeal of Glass-Steagall under Clinton), conservatives just do it far more religiously (witness the GOP "moderates" in the Senate falling in line behind McConnell's historically unprecedented filibuster war of the past 4 years).

No, Maui Gal, you can delude yourself all you wish. Do not assume you can fool the rest of us.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday March 30, 2012, 9:13 pm
Here! Here Norm! Hats off to you.. Right on..
 

monica r. (41)
Friday March 30, 2012, 9:42 pm
Diane,

I think you are pro-Constitution, and the Patriot Act really disregarded the document. I don't get how you can favor it.

You say,
"Had it not been in place we would have radicals/jihadists entering our country daily by air, land and sea. No questions asked. Is that what YOU want? They would be laundering money through investment companies, banks, ATM's etc, buying bomb materials all over our country and no one would have to report it. Is that what you would prefer??? "

But quite frankly, they HAVE been doing all that stuff, and the Patriot Act hasn't done anything to stop it. Meanwhile my grandma gets felt up or nudie pictures every time she flies. Is that what YOU would prefer? TSA hasn't stopped a single terror threat on a plane, it was all done by observant passengers. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? What about being protected from unreasonable searches? And now under the auspices of VIPER they are doing that same BS on trains and interstate highways!

God bless him, the head of Amtrak said never again on their property. And in their intense cleverness, the vipers frisked people coming OFF the train who went inside to use the bathrooms (everyone in the terminal got screened including little kids on the way to the parking lot who had to peeeeee mommy!) but anyone not going through the building, such as most of the passengers getting ON the train, weren't screened.

They come in via the border with Mexico and it's really easy. They just have to learn a bit of Spanish. And they are immigrating with little oversight as to just who are they all. I'm sure some of them are nice, decent people looking for a better life. I'm also sure some of them are not nice at all and only coming to cause mayhem here. Did you READ this article?? They have already infiltrated the government, and fund their way to our compliance all over the place, and that's despite the Patriot Act. They don't even have to launder money. Suhail Amen is an open supporter of Hezbollah and active in an organization that funds them and their terror acts. Does the Patriot Act stop her? HA! No way, instead she's the star of a reality show.

The feds can't talk about Islam in counter-terrorism training. How is the Patriot Act helping with THAT? They're taking America without a fight because both W and now Obama have sworn up and down we are not at war with the "religion of peace" as they call it, that has declared war on us. The only thing the Patriot Act will do is let them silence us if we wake up to the truth in time to object to it all.
 

Betsy Bee (1049)
Friday March 30, 2012, 10:10 pm
I agree completely with John Cause - fear mongering. I will state it stronger - shameful fear mongering.
 

Norm C. (74)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 12:11 am
Carol D,

I just loved your 7 point Alice in Wonderland journey through self-delusion and uproariously hilarious fantasy land. I could not stop laughing. If you actually believe that crap, you may want to seek professional help.

Your preamble was quite reasonable and philosophical. Unfortunately, you did not know when you were ahead of the game and proceeded to completely prove how disingenuous was your ode to rational.

1. I guess you missed the fact that the presidency and most of Congress was in the hands of what would generally be considered liberals during both WWI and WWII and much of the Cold War (you might also note that it was the Republican Nixon [who was more conservative than any Democratic president in the last 100 years even though he was certainly not as conservative as you] who opened up to Red China and negotiated "detente" with the USSR). And no, RWR did not defeat the USSR single-handedly. He just happened to be there when all the other guys pushed them and their massively inefficient and self-destructive economic system into its predestined abyss.

2. You're projecting, again. You've mixed the labels up.

3. You can only come to your conclusion if you have no idea what results are worth achieving. It's that old thing about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Conservatives are dollar oriented, they value property over people and live in myths and fantasies when it comes to their ideology. We know from the words and actions of conservative leaders that they are trying to keep us in the Great Recession. Do you think that the Great Depression and the current Great Recession were exactly what conservatives were trying to achieve? Because that is what they did "achieve".

4. Conservatives seem to care about only very few parts of the Constitution, those parts that serve their values in 3. Conservatives might as well swear allegiance to the Constitution with their fingers crossed behind their backs while also ignoring it whenever it becomes an inconvenience (witness Bush v Gore, Citizens United v FEC, 1st National Bank of Boston v Bellotti, Buckley v Valeo, Southern Pacific RR v Santa Clara County, Justices Antonin Scalia's and Clarence Thomas' numerous conflicts of interest, failures to disclose and lies under oath along with their record of doing more legislating from the bench than any other justices in history, I remind you of the wireless wiretapping, the dismantling of the 1st 4th, 5th, 6th,7th, 8th and 9th Amendments not to mention completely disregarding the Preamble by conservatives almost continuously (I could go back centuries for examples). I could talk of treason by Nixon and Kissinger in 1968 that prevented an early end to the war in Vietnam and cost us the lives of over 20,000 American servicemen. I could talk about the treason in 1980 by GHWB and the Reagan team that kept 52 hostages in Iranian jails for over three months longer than necessary. This list could go on for hours. Your self-congratulatory sense of history and reality is so distorted and surrealistic as to be comical.

5. Do you never tire of projecting? This one is so completely absurd that I'm just awestruck by your audacity. Let's see, now. When was the last time liberals shot or blew up priests, nuns, teachers and nurses anywhere? When was the last time a liberal called women "feminazis"? When was the last time liberal broadcasters called a college student a slut and a prostitute and suggested she make sex videos? When was the last time liberals tried to pass laws requiring unwanted medical procedures so intrusive that they qualified by the terms of the law as rape? When was the last time a liberal threw rocks through a GOP member of Congress' office window? When was the last time a liberal entered a female member of Congress' office under false pretenses and tried to hack her phones? This one is just too, too funny.

6. I have an actual experience that may put the lie to this. I used to work as a polling place official when, as a result of a GOP lawsuit, voters had to request Repub or Dem ballots in primaries. After a while on primary day, I noticed something and commented on it to one of the Repub poll workers. I could predict about 9 out of 10 times which ballot a voter walking in would request. How? If they were laughing or smiling, they almost always requested a Dem ballot. If they were frowning or scowling, they almost invariably requested a Repub ballot.

7. You've outdone yourself on this one. In the first place, better or worse Christians? Really? According to what standard? -- their adherence to Old Testament phrases or to the words of Christ? I'd be willing to guarantee that, as you are reading this, you are violating at least one of the stoning "laws" in Leviticus even as you call on Leviticus for justification of other of your positions. I'd recommend that you leave religion out of this.

Please awaken from your self-induced hypnotic trance and regain control of your faculties. Your comment was a colossal hoot!

Enough of this back and forth. I wish you a better day than yesterday and an even better one tomorrow.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 2:08 am
Diane..Bush's book helped me see exactly what the Patriot Act still does for us today. I know I didn't understand what it was or what it did until I read his book! It's there to protect each and everyone of us and I guess until one reads his book to understand it they won't know.

Wilson back in 1917-18 was one of the worst liberal progressive Presidents we ever had...what he did in this country back then was worse than what Obama is doing today but Obama is taking all the same steps Wilson did up to the point before it happened...it's like looking at a movie re-run! We have to vote him out in November!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 2:18 am
Norm...Well it's good to see you didn't hurt yourself in all that laughing but i am so happy I could help you out..:-)...you can't be serious to think i would actually READ all of your blubbering idiocy just because you can't accept the truth and facts now can you!? You will never wake up that is plain to see but I do expect some to slip through the cracks and self destruct when it comes to believing there could possibly be anyone to try and destroy your country...I think it's you who lives in Fairyland!! So go about your journey little boy and wallow in your ignorance!! :-)

Also..Maui has you beat Bud in everything...you see she has tact, intelligence, respect and can disagree with integrity...but that's right you don't understand those big words!! So go about your way!! Ho Hum!!
 

Diane O. (149)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 4:09 am
Carol, what is important to notice in every liberal comment here is that not one of them praises President Obama. Not one. Why is that? Because there's simply nothing to praise and many things to criticize. I find this is the case when engaging with the liberals. Instead of having credible material to support all of his him they stay in attack mode. It's called "buyer's remorse." It presents in many ways.

There's no question that Elena Kagan believes in Sharia Law. There's no question that GWB kept our country safe for 11 years by the stringent security measures he put in place. Obama left everything in place for a reason. No one, not even a liberal, can deny that. Before The Patriot Act, the terrorists came into the US as immigrants and settled among us...they are called "sleeper cell terrorists." I believe the US knows who they are and watches them. They are a very patient group. They wait for the "call" to blow themselves up taking hundreds perhaps thousands of Americans with them. Why would they do this? So that they can have the "honor" of meeting their 13 virgins. Please explain to me what kind of "religion" that is to offer 13 virgins for murdering innocent people. That's the mindset of Sharia Law only they call it "honor killing" and they'll kill their own family members. Any American who would support this behavior is simply not a true American.

Carol, you have presented the hard truth about Obama and Elena Kagan. The left doesn't want the truth. They've placed themselves between a rock and a hard place supporting Obama when, in fact, many of them are disappointed in his presidency. They can't admit it. Instead, they attack the truth because it is too painful for them to process. Even wih the glaring fact that 68% of Americans want ObamaCare REPEALED, they don't "get it." 68% is a huge percentage of Americans and more than suggests that this percentage is comprised of both liberals and conservatives. I believe the numbers speak to "the truth" which cannot be argued. The liberals backed a colossal loser. Obama's own democrats in the Senate are not supporting him. So, now, instead of the House being "The Party of No" Obama now faces the Senate "The Party of No." These are the facts. Yet, the liberals won't talk about it. They want to talk about George W. Bush instead of facing the hard truth about Obama.

Obama is a pure demagogue. Listen to him now on his campaign to be re-elected. He intends to stir up the American people with inflammatory speeches, dividing the country, and promoting class warfare. Obama will never be a President to be admired....not today and not in our history books.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 6:31 am
Norm, Norm, Norm.....you really need to start living in today's world....we can't change the past.....I answered a question of yours, politely in fact, when you asked where were we in the President Bush years.....I was blasting him just as much as I am blasting obama for his failures.....I have been since I became very political after 9/11, I have been on several political websites, there is more besides Care2 you know.....so just because I didn't join here until 2009 doesn't mean I remained silent all those years.....next time specify which websites when you ask the question. Why keep hashing out the President Bush years....what can you change now that will bring our country back from disaster? I will help you.....defeat obama....that's how. He has failed "we the people" and he is destroying our country everyday he wakes up. Starting in January 2013 with a new President, our country will start to heal again and once again be the America we all remembered....a PROUD AMERICA.

For the rest of your post....it is obvious that you hate Conservatives, so why should I even try to change your mind....I have better posters here on Care2 to debate with that can be civil in a discussion. People who hate as much as you do is sad. Even though I am disgusted with the way our politics has been, I don't hate anyone.....just very disappointed....as we all should be. One more thing, if Kagan was a Republican, I would still be ashamed of her for being pro-sharia law. Please wrap up all your anger towards Conservatives and make it useful....go volunteer at a women's abuse shelter and then maybe, just maybe you will understand how sharia law is a horrible law and any American who does not see that is quite sad indeed. Nice chatting with you Norm.
 

PraetorianSlv US (24)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 7:21 am
This is the beginning of the push for Internationalism. International laws are to be instituted above the laws of any countrys domestic laws.

Obama has many Internatioanalist in his administration. Look it up.

He has already signed agreements and treaties which supercede our laws. The UN is now in control of many things that Americans never had a vote on.

We must start paying attention to exactly what is going on now.

Internationalism is the theme behind the globalist.
 

PraetorianSlv US (24)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 7:26 am
Islam is a Theocracy Norm. Shariah law is in direct opposition to our Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

End of debate.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 7:26 am
Carol, I want to congratulate you on the "Golden Note Award". This shows that many people care about sharia-law and know it does not belong in our country. Thank you for raising awareness. Those who have noted it, thank you. Our voices are being heard. That's why we become active in spreading the truth in what is going on. If we don't, then we are in for a fight for our lives. Kudos to you Carol....and for everyone who posted with the understanding what this is all about. Our voices will not be silenced.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 10:34 am
Careful Praetorian, you will confuse Norm and J with facts
 

Diane O. (149)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 11:45 am
This is an excellent topic of discussion and needs to be discussed in order to be understood. CarolD you hit a homerun. It matters not that you had a few disgrunted liberal posts. What matters the most is that you presented the truth. Many Care 2 members are "on the fence" politically. They are the Americans we are trying to reach with the truth. The closed minded liberals are a waste of our time. They aren't worth reaching however those Americans who know President Obama has failed will want to now do their own research and read the words you have posted here. The luster has worn thin where Obama is concerned. He has very few friends in the White House and even fewer outside the White House. There's a reason for that. Obama is in a deep dark place IMO. Even the Senate knows that now.

So, I share in congratulating you for a job well done. It has been my pleasure to support you.
 

Norm C. (74)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 7:21 pm
No, carol, Maui Gal has NO facts, she has only slander and BS, the usual stuff vomited by the right-wing authoritarian blogosphere of delusion and hate.
 

Mm M. (449)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 12:39 am
Goodness I do have to Chirp in here because it is gone off the Subject in Hate directions all over this and I am actually Shocked and Dismayed at the VICIOUS ATTACKS to another Care2 to members...while most of the people that are being downright nasty to people Yanking them around like a bully does to a dog on a leash some of you are, or I have noted your news and left a polite comment.But, then I did see you came back when it took a turn on attack...on my friends list and I was shocked to find out I had a friend that had such Hate for another person that didn't have the same beliefs/way of thinking as YOU!. Never ever have I have ever resorted to this type of TRASH TALK when I note or leave a comment on your news I stay ON THE NEWS AT SITE and while I don't agree I have never ATTACKED YOU FOR POSTING WHAT I also may feel isn't such REAL NEWS, but have been very careful never to attack the person that posted THEIR NEWS. I don't think that makes me a better person, just more compassion in my heart for other members feelings!

Get back on the TOPIC of this News and Get the Heck off of the attacks ~ if that is the only thing that makes you feel good to bully someone into your way of thinking I feel EXTREMELY SAD and SORRY for you. It is people like you that have contributed to this HATE here in the USA...You are the ones that are RACIST show absolutely No Compassion, and sadly those that I though were gentle souls, guess it is only when you have YOUR news and don't see such attacks on your news. You have put Carol that put a NEW STORY OUT THERE FOR YOU TO TAKE A PEEK AT and leave your comment into the SPIN DRY CYCLE of a wash machine...you just keep going round and round and round...Aren't you dizzy or dizzier yet???

NORM the comment that Maui has NO FACTS, Slander and BS and I do hope you did VOMIT on your computer so I don't have to see your disturbing comments anymore~~ is attacking a person that I know for a FACT checks out facts ~ maybe not on the same sites you choose to take your facts from, but the facts are out there....just NOT TO YOUR Liking! You are a BIG BULLY! SHAME ON YOU! That type of Comment/Words are SOOO uncalled for!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 3:20 am
Norm....you know you're like a pesky mosquito when somebody is trying to go to sleep and you keep hearing this annoying buzzing going all around you but you can't quite figure out where it's at but it just keeps buzzing around and then lands for 2 seconds and then it gets up and buzzes around again....that's what you remind me of...nobody of substance but this annoying buzzing!! LOL
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 3:22 am
Thanks Prae..Maui...Diane...Marilyn and Nan!! Green stars to you all!
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 4:00 am
CarolD, it's that "buyer's remorse." Sometimes it acts like mosquito!!
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 10:58 am
Norm, my wife met Maui on another site before the election in 08 ..... she did indeed speak out against Bush many times in those sites. The internet is a huge world. The fact that the patriot act is still in effect IS OBAMA'S FAULT NOW ..... ALL OBAMA .....

The time for you folks to keep blaming Bush has come and gone and all you do by bringing that up is try and divert attention from the mess you now have in this current administration. Obama never knew his arse from a hole in the ground to begin with. MOST INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT EVER ELECTED and America, YOUR COUNTRY is paying a huge price for all of it.

This is about your country. It is about what you as a citizen has to do to correct the mess that has invaded your political arena years ago and YOU the VOTERS allowed to fester. Both sides of the aisle are corrupted but your biggest problem is the spending.

YOU HAVE TO STOP YOUR GOVERNMENT FROM SPENDING MONEY YOU DO NOT HAVE!!! This current administration is not going to do that so they need to go.
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 12:26 pm
Cam, Barack Obama has scammed our country. He is a dangerous narcissist and he doesn't give a flip about Americans in poverty or anything else. The elitist he is, his answer is to throw more food stamps at them and treat with with disrespect. The reason he is a loner in the White House is because most have figured out that Obama is anti-American. They've distanced themselves from him because they all have elections to win in November. Obama will more than likely not use any of his campaign donations to go to their states and promote them....he simply doesn't care about anyone but himself. Obama doesn't care about the debt, Cam, he never has because that is part of his plan to destroy our country, a country he loathes. Obama loves Obama and that is where his love ends.

Amercans elected an evil person to the highest office in our country and now they have to give him his walking papers in November. Obama promoting Elena Kagan is all about his dark side which thrives on creating chaos and unrest among the masses and spitting on our Constitution. It's all a game for Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama reinvented himelf in his books....and probably laughs that so many Americans ate it up....and, yes, Cam,, he had NO experience, no past history....and articles that show Obama's in a negative tone are continuously scrubbed from the web. I have many saved links that no longer can be found on the internet. It's all very scary. It's unnatural and it's creepy. Each time Obama has failed he has blamed Bush....that's how a narcissist reacts....it's never their fault.
 

Linda C. (84)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 2:09 pm
Carol, this is one of the best threads I have read in the public sector of Care 2 in so long. I appreciate all that you have presented. I discovered about 3 days ago that I have spent 3 1/2 years (approximately) under the leadership of Obama and I have visibly seen a lot that failure but through that I was gathering an impression of the man but still did not know much about him; after all, he has done an excellent job of hiding his past from the public. It only took an excellent post by Diane O as a "book report, so to speak" of his book Dreams From My Father to peak my curiosity to try and see what I could find out about him.

We hear the word racist thrown at the Republican Party but what is sad is that the liberals have missed the mark, the true racist is Obama himself.

As I began to research him I discovered the truth of the fact that "you are known by the company you keep" and what I discovered about Barack and Michelle Obama is frightening, actually. In studying them I discovered that they are surrounded by advisers (many of whom have been friends since college days) that are American Communists; Obama's maternal grandparents and his mother subscribed to the teachings of communism and he, himself, advocates much of the philosophy and teachings of communism.

Examples of where he has gained his position on economics is from Cloward-Piven, both admitted to using the Marxist socialist philosophy for developing their economic theory. Axelrod, Jones, Jarrett, Ayers, Carl Davidson, Frank Marshall Davis, Anita Dunn, Jodie Evans, Sam Graham-Felsen, Gregory Galluzzo, Patrick Gaspard, Mike Klonsky, Mike Kruglik John L. McKnight -- Socialist Student Of Alinsky, Saul Mendelson, Linda Rae Murray, Joel Rogers, Quentin Young, and Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- Black Marxist, just to name some. They represent the Who's Who of American Communists and these are the very people that are advising our President at this time.

This sent a very disturbing message to me and I hope that it will open the eyes of everyone, including the liberals that have determined that this man is above reproach.

All I can say is that there is absolutely nothing that G. W. Bush Jr. did in his entire 8 years in the White House that compares with what Obama has done in the 3 years and 3 months of his term of office and when you look closely at the philosophy he has set out in his own books, you will see that he is positioning the U.S. for it's demise as a Constitutional Republic and setting us up for a form of government that I, for one, cannot accept. We need to wake up while we still have a chance to do so and stop this movement away from our Constitution.

This started out as a thread dealing with Kagan, but it is important to realize that she is sympathetic to the liberal leaning and also that she is and has been very close to Obama, doing a lot of work on Obamacare. Thus, we are known by the company we keep.
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 2:18 pm
Excellent LindaC. You have stated facts which cannot be denied by anyone. Great post.
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 2:29 pm
I want everyone to know that we do have our problems here in Canada as well. Socialism is the biggest one but we have taken steps to turn it around last spring. The choice is yours as citizens to take responsibility and kick all the bums out or watch your country race further down the road of economic disaster.

I will tell you Norm that the patriots in this thread know what they are talking about. Try talking to them and you will see I am right. They are good people.
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 2:38 pm
Cam, the brave and concerned Canadians took the bull by the horns so to speak and changed the course of their government. We, too, here in the US, can do the same thing. All it takes is our vote. Our country must ge rid of this "cancer" that is eating away at our rights as citizens while smothering us with more government control over our lives.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 6:19 pm
Where do I start and end? Shariah and Islam are the scariest ideologies on the planet- just look into them folks- the more I learn about the facts - the more disturbed and concerned I become. Please, please, please- stop the PC and blind tolerance- this form of law and religion is beyond cruel and oppressive and will usher in a totalitarian world government that will make Pol Pot and the Camer Rouge look benign.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 11:08 pm
Thanks everyone for your INFORMATIVE posts!! We must get Obama out in November and then start taking back our country by getting rid of the rest of the trash in our government! Elena Kagan has no business as a Supreme Court judge. She also needs to go!! However it can be done she needs to go....the best thing that could happen is Obama found to be a usurper (which we all know he is) and kick him out thus everything he signed and anyone in any position that he put them in would be null and void!!
 

Diane O. (149)
Monday April 2, 2012, 2:54 am
CarolD, Obama didn't win by a landslide in 2008 and we know he has lost a percentage of the black community votes as well as a large percentage of female independent votes. They know by now that Obama has been all talk and no delivery. Obama has his own agenda and that explains why he is conidered a loner in the White House. There will be many books written after this election whether he wins or loses which will reveal who he really is.

Very telling that Obama has lost major votes in the Senate now. I can't see it getting any better. *biggest grin."
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Monday April 2, 2012, 4:08 am
A thousand stars to Carol for this post. Stop drinking the sanctimonious Kool Aid folks- Obama is a terrible president- stop excusing him on the grounds of his skin color- that's as racist and patronizing as you can get.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Monday April 2, 2012, 5:55 am
Carol...just checked back here and Wow....it's nice to know how many people read and noted....that means our voices are being heard! You and I both got our "Golden Notes" in one week....I think that speaks volumes that people are reading and waking up. Let's keep rolling.....we have lots of work to do before Novemer.

Thank you to everyone who did not turn this in to a race baiting thread and for speaking out about Sharia Law. When we have a Supreme Court Judge agreeing with this law, then we really have lots of work to do.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:34 am
I agree Diane, Phyllis and Maui! There is still plenty of time between now and November for Obama to pull more tricks out of his hat to show more and more of his backers that he is not for them! Sooner or later there will be one more thing he pulls that is going to FINALLY wake up more and more people! Everyone has a breaking point!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:50 am
Thanks Phyllis and Maui! It shows people ARE waking up and not taking the info as just another run of the mill story and that it's time to start taking "NOTES" on what's going on!! Love those stars too!! :-)
 

Penelope t. (53)
Monday April 2, 2012, 5:59 pm
thank you, Carol
 

Gina J. (29)
Monday April 2, 2012, 6:45 pm
Marjorie, I remember when the nut Sheehan was removed from the proceedings that you're talking about. She and Code Pink were disruptive with their mouths and interrupting the proceedings. NOT because of their T shirts. You'll have to do better.
I don't buy your explanation for Norm... Just sayin!
 

Gina J. (29)
Monday April 2, 2012, 6:55 pm
BTW I don't think Norm or any other supporter of the left wing agenda can address the issues that we face today. The best they can do is to go back to GW and point the finger of blame during his administration. Which btw, I think he handled well.
The real thing to notice about the left is that they cannot address the issues that Obama has put in front of us these past three years. They don't know how!
Iraq is a free country today. Freed by the GW Bush. Liberated and free. The only real mistake that I see that GW made was to not handle the housing issue before he left. He left it on the table for the incoming president whoever that would have been. That it was Obama was unfortunate for us all. Obama has plunged this country into such excessive debt and poverty that we would have to elect several generations of conservatives to fix it! Not to mention his racial divisions that he and Holder have thrown us into.
The best argument you will get from people like Norm is to read his ad hominem calling those of us who are addressing the issues, "loonies" and doing as Obama does and pointing the finger of blame without any rhyme or reason.
Norm has not the slightest idea of what is going on in this country. If he did, he'd be as worried as the rest of us.
Just sayin.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:44 pm
Very well put Gina. I agree 100%
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday April 2, 2012, 10:07 pm
That's a ditto 100% Gina and Nan!!

Also...Linda C...I forgot to thank you above for your most excellent reply that you wrote so Thank You!!
 

Beth S. (316)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 7:11 pm
Great post, Carol. Thank you for posting it.

I realize that lefties absolutely cannot stand the slightest intimation that anything that Obama or his appointees do could be wrong or dangerous. Although I voted for the man, and have been a life-long Democrat and left-leaning liberal in many respects, I am very discouraged that people here on this thread and elsewhere on CAIR2, are so dogmatic and doctrinaire that they can't see what's in plain sight.

It is an outrage to me that my president bowed deeply to the Saudi king. And everything he's done since then -- his MAJOR GOAL for NASA being OUTREACH TO MUSLIMS, his shame of America he proclaimed to the world, his giving of 1.3 Billion dollars to the Egyptian government knowing that it is going to be run by Islamists, his appointment of numerous Muslim Brotherhood people to important positions, his far too numerous slips of "I am a Muslim", his false painting of Indonesia as a tolerant country when Muslims have harassed, murdered Christians and others and destroyed hundreds of churches, violated religious rights of others, and the whitewashing of the Muslim Brotherhood as a "democratic, liberal, human rights" organization is outrageous. That this piece shows yet how much more widespread his support for Islam is, SHOULD NOT come as a surprise to anyone who knows anything about Islam and Obama's ties to it.

It took courage to post this, Carol, especially knowing that there's a contingent of people so close-minded who would automatically attack you and others for it. They would not know an Islamist threat unless someone threw a burqa over their heads or cut of their clits -- and they'd probably still make an excuse for the people who did it.

Thanks again for posting it, especially knowing their is a hostile, close-minded contingent just waiting in the wings to attack and criticize. We've got to let people know the danger, even if they don't want to hear it.
 

Eli T. (90)
Sunday April 15, 2012, 8:30 am
Carol showered with stars (as usual).
I cannot imagine how a country as advanced as America is would be willing to go back to the dark ages. If Sharia Law was so great, then why is Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, >>and the list goes on, the way they are today? Clearly not enough people have been put away. Maybe it is the lack of space in institutions? Maybe it is that some are drawn by barbarianism? Maybe it is simply there are too many that want to abolish all the social advancements of the west....................One thing is for sure. It boggles the mind
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday April 15, 2012, 2:04 pm
Beth...Thanks SO much! Can't sent you anymore green stars and don't remember if I did send you one for this or not but either way you should get another one if you did already!! :-)

Eli!!!! Thanks so much gal! It is disheartening to see so many people asleep isn't it!? It's totally mind boggling!!!
 

Bill Reese (138)
Sunday April 15, 2012, 7:52 pm
I hope that most people on this site realize that the far liberal left when they have no answers to a challenge they attack the messenger. They think if they call the messenger dirty names or some name that insult their integraty, that the person will no longer post for all to see. or they will keep repeating a word like troll thinking that the unsuspecting will listen and ignore that person. They are wrong as everyone even the liberal has first amendment rights and until Obama makes the constitution immaterial we should all keep expressing our first amendment rights.
In fact I hope everyone on this blog will write their next letter on this subject to both of their US Senators, I just did, so welcome to the crowd. let our representatives know we love our country and it will never become governed by Sharia Law.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday April 15, 2012, 8:15 pm
Thanks so much Bill!! What you said is so totally true! I think sometimes they do it also to try and intimidate people from posting as in if they are a big enough bullie no one else will want to voice their opinions! Kind of like what the Black Panthers did when voting took place last time correct!? Stand around slapping their night sticks around trying to intimidate people! The worst part about this woman is she and Obama are in cahoots! As in you scratch my back and I will scratch yours...he's Muslim..she studied Islam and Sharia Law so here we are wah Lahhhh...and Obama is the reason why she is at where she is at! What a President!!
 

Mm M. (449)
Sunday April 15, 2012, 8:25 pm
Thank you Bill!

Well said and Thank you...now I can stop tracking this!
 

Paula M. (39)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 11:08 am
I good reminder of why our Supreme Court Justices should be guided solely by the Constitution and American legal traditions - and NOT by international law.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 2:00 pm
Exactly Paula!!!!
 
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