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"Muslims in the West Have No Respect for Your System"


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Carol
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Sabatina James rejects the Western approach to dealing with the 'honor' problem



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Carol Dreeszen (368)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 5:40 pm
When Sabatina James climbs the podium at the Danish Free Press Society, she immediately takes control of the room. It makes no difference that she has told her story many times before – the flight from the Muslim family of Pakistani origin, the conversion to Christianity and her tireless work for girls and women in the West who escape the “honor culture”. When she stands in front of the audience, her commitment makes us all feel chosen. We are torn between tragedy and humor while she tells her personal story, in between details of Islamic doctrine and culture.

This is pertinent and painful to listen to. She speaks of what many of us have begun to understand: The problem of ‘honor’, the power structures, the violence and the hypocrisy within the Islamic world. And Sabatina James is as hard as a rock in her criticism of the West. She condemns politicians and the so-called “anti-racists” as hard as she condemns the leaders of the Muslim world. But she is even harder on the Muslims who do not dare to stand up and say “No!”, the quiet ”moderate Muslims”. It is easy to understand why Salafists and moderate Muslims detest Sabatina James. She exposes and reveals their lies and their tactics.

And, appropriately, a car is waiting for her outside the hall when the meeting is over. A handsome, silvery BMW is parked right outside the venue, with a young Muslim couple sitting inside. The police said later: ”They were not out to hurt her, just send a message, that they know what she is doing.”

Sabatina James is perfectly aware just how dangerous her work is. Still, she says what needs to be said: Europe has to stand up for the values that built the Western world. What we are experiencing now is a clash between two widely different civilizations.

“Islam is not compatible with democracy and freedom of expression. That was understood in Europe, and thus you separated the church from the state. This caused Europe to continue its development while the Arabic / Muslim world is still stuck in the 7th century,” says Sabatina James.

Because the Muslim world is ruled by holy books, it will never get anywhere, she believes. It is impossible to create a healthy society with rational individuals, when the moral idol is a 7th-century warlord. An idol who even took a 9-year-old girl as his wife, and considered it his absolute, holy duty to kill ”infidels”.

“It might have been acceptable in the 7th century, but as it remains a demand to view Mohammed as the perfect human being – which lots of Muslims do – then it doesn’t work,” says Sabatina James.

Many in the West see the Muslim attitude as a question of education and class. They believe that insufficient education and economic vulnerability are the reasons why Muslims act as they do. This is rejected by Sabatina James as pure nonsense. The members of her own family are highly educated and moved from Pakistan to Austria long ago, yet they intended to marry her to a cousin from their home country and called her a “whore” when she wanted to live like a Western woman.

“The problem is the culture. Muslims think that they must believe in the god of the Quran, and simply refuse to leave behind the concept of a god,” she says.

After many years in Europe, Sabatina James still does not understand why nobody takes the Islamists seriously. Although they state their goals completely openly, as anyone can hear and see on the Internet.

“But just as people dismissed Hitler during the 1930′s, today the Islamists are being dismissed. This attitude will be devastating for Europe. The threat is not imaginary, it is shouted out every day by fanatical imams, converts and terrorist organizations,” she says.

“Take their words seriously! What happens when Islam enters a society is clearly visible around the world.”

Sabatina James is well aware that non-Muslims who take up the problem of Islamization will be accused of “racism” and “Islamophobia”. Even when fundamental human rights are being discussed, the “Islamophobia card” is played.

Following the meeting,
Dispatch International
asked Sabatina James some questions:

It was determined recently that a Swedish project about girls in honor cultures was a complete failure. In perfect Swedish style, the authorities tried by way of dialogue to make the young and their families reach a solution. That resulted in two girls being murdered, and in not a single case did a family realize that their girls have the right to decide over their own lives. Why do you think such a project failed?

“Because they consider you unclean! These people have no respect for you or for your system. In public, many Muslims say things that you want to hear, but that is just because they do not want to engage in open ‘confrontation’. I can compare that to my own situation. My father and my family members said one thing to the police and the social authorities. As soon as the latter had left, all their promises and fine words evaporated. Instead, honor had to be restored.”

In the Western world, the left used to fight for a secular society and was entirely opposed to religion. Nowadays they work with Islamists to introduce more Islam into society. What do you think causes this?

“My only explanation for this would be that it’s due to a minority complex.. When the left has determined that a group constitutes a minority, it is constantly ‘exposed’. Minorities are considered flawless, everything they do wrong is considered to result from oppression by the majority.”

Do you think we can ever defeat Islamism?

“Yes! But only if the Western world recovers its fundamental values of freedom. If you stay firm in your principle that religion is to be separated from the state. But Europe has a great problem: There are only very few brave people left. It is easier to simply keep a low profile. We need to return to faith, though not necessarily to faith in a god. The Muslims are actually right, Westerners do not believe in anything. The lack of faith is making us weak, as individuals and as a society.

“We still have freedom of expression, but if it dies, all other human rights will disappear. Do not ever forget that.”

 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 6:01 pm
What a smart and brave woman to speak the truth about Islam!!!
 

Jae A. (321)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 7:11 pm
Apparently they have that in common with the Teabager klan....IMO.
 

Stan B. (124)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 7:52 pm
She's a very brave lady for telling the truth. She's going to need constant police protection unlike the Teabaggers.
Thanks Carol.
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 7:54 pm
You are correct on that Stan!! May God Bless and protect her!
 

Ge M. (216)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 3:59 am
What have the teabaggers to do with anything? Why can't Jae ever say anything in a staright forward manner and just say she's brave?

People will listen to Sabatina as she is a beautiful and strong young woman, it's a shame that we are so prejudiced that we prefer the truth this way. I admire her and wish her a long life.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 9:29 am
The comparison of Islamic fanatics to Hitler is eerily frightening. The world dismissed him too, until it was too late.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (20)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 10:39 am
‘Do you think we can ever defeat Islamism?
“Yes! But only if the Western world recovers its fundamental values of freedom. If you stay firm in your principle that religion is to be separated from the state. But Europe has a great problem: There are only very few brave people left. It is easier to simply keep a low profile. We need to return to faith, though not necessarily to faith in a god. The Muslims are actually right, Westerners do not believe in anything. The lack of faith is making us weak, as individuals and as a society.
“We still have freedom of expression, but if it dies, all other human rights will disappear. Do not ever forget that.”’

Do you think we could get her to take the U.S. presidency? She sincerely, clearly displays the greater potential in comparison to what we have now!
A very intelligent, courageous young lady!!!
 

Ms Noting Commentator (20)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 10:44 am
@ Barbara D.
@ Barbara D.

Actually, most European people of the WWII era claim that Hitler was a brilliant writer. In my twenties, I remember hearing British and German people stating such!

Of course, I have never read anything of his. And, I bet, by now, everything he wrote and published has either been destroyed or securely locked away from the public.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 11:31 am
"After many years in Europe, Sabatina James still does not understand why nobody takes the Islamists seriously. Although they state their goals completely openly, as anyone can hear and see on the Internet.

“But just as people dismissed Hitler during the 1930′s, today the Islamists are being dismissed. This attitude will be devastating for Europe. The threat is not imaginary, it is shouted out every day by fanatical imams, converts and terrorist organizations,” she says."

Well, there are those of us here who understand, there must be others. The west is so eager to not offend, but the ultimate objective of Islam is conversion or death. They make no secret of this. They have infiltrated every country on earth, maybe not China, but as their numbers grow so to do the problems. And she is perfectly correct in taking to task "moderate" muslims, like CAIR, who sound off loudly about any slight toward islam but are silent about the horrors carried out in its name in the middle east and other countries where strict Sharia is practiced. I've been reading a book by Irshad Manji, a muslim lesbian who is Director of the Moral Courage Project at New York University's Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service called Allah, Liberty and Love - the Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom, she had a previous NY Times bestseller entitled The Trouble With Islam Today. Needless to say, she has some issues with Islam too as she is about everything a woman should NOT be according to Islam. I am glad to see people speaking out from within the religion, but so impatient with those of us in the West, including Europe, who simply refuse to believe the evidence of their own eyes and ears. Who pretend as long as they are "nice" all will be well. Well, it won't. THIS is the crisis for this century, quite apart from the equally devastating climate change issue, because these people are not going away and they are after our heads, literally. That so many remain so blinded to this attack could well be our undoing. This is a fight that will have to be fought some time and unless a miracle happens and they lay down their swords, blood will be shed. Sooner or later. Keeping our heads in the sand only means the human toll will be worse. Political correctness in this issue is weakness to the other side. Hitler did indeed cause havoc, he could not be appeased, neither can Muslims. Continuing to do so will only worsen the human toll in the long run. What it will take to wake us up to the threat though I do not know. I do know we had best do so and the sooner the better. It isn't prejudice when they really ARE out to get you.
 

Robert Tedders (5)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 12:28 pm
GOOD FOR MS. JAMES. Somebody please start a petition about this. I dunno, maybe we could start by petitioning for a withdrawal from Afghanistan, a the Afghans obviously don't care about the sacrifice non-Muslim are making every day to try and keep them free!! :-@
 

Ray C. (53)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 1:06 pm
Robert, I have on a number of times told my MP in England, to withdraw all NATO Troops out of Afghanistan, then sent in a few British and American bombers with nuclear bombs then wipe Afghanistan off the face of the earth, then maybe sent our Troops back in about 20 to 30 years time, once the all clear as been given to clean the mess up.

I have never seen such a waste of life that both our Countries have suffered for a War that if truth is known there is no end too, this War in Afghanistan as cost not only the US but also the UK and other Countries, far to much money, put world war 1 and 2 together it would not cost as much as Afghanistan is costing and it is not over yet.
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 3:16 pm
Noted
 

Suheyla C. (228)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 4:31 pm
noted Thank you
 

Russell R. (87)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 5:08 pm
“But just as people dismissed Hitler during the 1930′s, today the Islamists are being dismissed. This attitude will be devastating for Europe. The threat is not imaginary, it is shouted out every day by fanatical imams, converts and terrorist organizations,” she says.

“Take their words seriously! What happens when Islam enters a society is clearly visible around the world.”

Sabatina James is well aware that non-Muslims who take up the problem of Islamization will be accused of “racism” and “Islamophobia”. Even when fundamental human rights are being discussed, the “Islamophobia card” is played.

~This is so True - the “Islamophobia card” is played. and they get away with everything It is time to tell them to assimilate or get out! Shariah is not Welcome Here!
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 5:09 pm
Courageous indeed! That's another thing I've been saying for quite a while now too and that is as the demographic numbers increase; so does the Muslim influence in politics and business. The Salafis and Wahhabi know that violent attacks won't work in North America. The aforementioned will and if we Dhimmis are not careful we just might find ourselves without a country or any rights at all.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 5:24 pm
Noted. Thank you.
 

Sarah G. (110)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 6:26 pm
Brava!
 

EDWARD G. MRKVICKA (0)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 7:14 pm
read and noted on 3-14-13 it sure seems like no other country as of lately has any respect for our country and for what we stand for thats just a plain shame we deserve to be treated fairly and with respect.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 7:44 pm
Honor killing is from old patriarchal tribal traditions, not necessarily "Muslim". Women need to be better treated everywhere.
 

pam w. (187)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 8:55 pm
She is very brave and I applaud her courage!

By definition, Islam is NOT a ''religion" nearly as much as it is a political system, designed to control the actions of its members. In order to do this successfully, Islam MUST prohibit freedoms of speech, education, artistic expression, womens' suffrage and even the most basic freedom FROM religion.

It's primitive thuggery! Imagine public executions? Beheadings? Stonings? Genital mutilations? These acts take place in Islamic countries around the world.

And, although politically careful people like to point out that, "Of course not ALL Muslims behave like this...." their Quran very deliberately demands this kind of loyalty to Islam....supports, directs and demands.
 

Marie W. (65)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 9:51 pm
Being PC (politically correct) will destroy us.
Example-my neighbor has stated he hates me and my way of life. He is committed to destroying me and it. He starts throwing things at my house; starts with rocks escalates to bombs. I am the stupid one if I keep defending his rights and act as if he will change. NO, I need to defend me and mine- no apologies, no prisoners.

Between Cowardice And Violence by Mohandas Gandhi

...He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.

 

Scott haakon (3)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 10:26 pm
The West's biggest problem is the Politically Correct dogma. Islam is incompatible with advanced technological civilization. But the Politically Correct people ignore the danger. They will ignore the danger until it is too late to expel them Islamic from out shores.
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Thursday March 14, 2013, 10:33 pm
Any person or group who/which shuts off reason and reality as 'against my religion' and tries to live in a vile and violent past - and drag back others with them, as well - is locked within an induced psychosis.

Well-balanced people generally don't like to discriminate against religions or groups, and rightfully regard the beliefs of others as being their own business, except when imposed upon, or endangering, others.

Certainly, some of them do attempt to impose their beliefs on and/or endanger others and in some cases even even society/democracy itself, and religious groups are typically particularly vulnerable to indoctrination by the very nature of a belief system which demands unquestioning belief in what somebody else tells them, even where the evidence of their own eyes, that of recorded, verified history and of independent scientific observation betrays the truth.

But there really are perfectly decent Muslims and Christians, even some of those who are deeply religious - but who are still willing to accept a current reality and social structure to which they are connected, people willing to live and let live.

It worries me when everyone in a certain category is labelled along with the fundamentalist extremists of any religion, something virtually all of us tend to do, because it's easier than specifying every time, something we might want to try avoiding in future.

I have to admit that I'm frequently unsuccessful myself...

If humans were perfect, the world would be whole lot different than it is.
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Friday March 15, 2013, 12:07 am
Thanks so much everyone for your informative and honest replies! I am amazed at the quality of intelligence we have here! EXCELLENT!!!
 

Marcel Elschot (43)
Friday March 15, 2013, 1:50 am
Noted. Thank you
 

Dot A. (122)
Friday March 15, 2013, 8:33 am
Provocative and extremely timely, as the world struggles to find balance in a world still emerging from our caves. Has anyone read 'Animal Farm?' Our difficulties bring this story to mind. -Women have been the slaves of society, and instructed to assume the 'position' out of unselfish servitude. It takes a kind of miracle for those in the power position to relinquish their hold over the ones who 'do the work.' Following the trail of economic advantage [love of money and power] is the human trail that explains most of our suffering. We have mountains to climb before we rest.
 

Dot A. (122)
Friday March 15, 2013, 9:54 am
Good Morning Carol Kocsis~ & Thank you for recognizing the book and bringing us a quote which speaks to us in a timeless manner. "...,when no one dared speak~" and therein lies the danger,... Our voices express our good fight for freedom! Women most especially, when speaking in numbers, can ignite the world's consciousness and bring about change. Our best chance to improve life is with change. As we grow in awareness, and find our 'voices', we create a new dynamic, and this is power. Sabatina James - latch on to her message!
 

Barbara DeFratis (22)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 7:27 am
Thank You for reminding us that All Hate Crimes should be prosecuted to the max and that all Extremists are Wrong. Intolerance should not be tolerated by anyone.
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 10:58 am
It takes a kind of miracle for those in the power position to relinquish their hold over the ones who 'do the work.' Following the trail of economic advantage [love of money and power] is the human trail that explains most of our suffering. We have mountains to climb before we rest.

Dot..What a mouth full of wisdom there!!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 11:04 am
EXCELLENT quote Dot!! Thanks everyone for your input! It truly encourages me to see so many people waking up to the true dangers of Islam and that we can not let it take hold in this country! It's our lives we are fighting for and our freedoms that shall be forever no more if we do not stop this ugly vile ideology!
 
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