Sunday March 8, 2009, 6:04 am
This is the same MI5 whose secret evidence is listened to by the SIAC court - obviously torture evidence is being listened to. How reliable is torture evidence? Innocent people's lives have been ruined by MI5, the government and its secret courts. There will have to be a thorough review of everything that MI5 has done over the last eight years and of every case they have been involved in. UK courts are not allowed to hear torture evidence. Full stop!!

Sunday March 8, 2009, 6:59 am
God i am so glad he is finally free..i never thought he would make it out with his brain still intact. So happy to know he is finallly out of Guantanamo. Thankyou so much Eleanor!
The truth about these evil torturers will eventually come to light.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 7:11 am
No wonder they did not want this man back in the UK. I am so glad he made it alive.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 7:47 am
Great article. Noted with thanks Eleanor.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 11:40 am
Eleanor,
during this past night, while
BBC World Service was (barely)
reporting this story, they would
close by always saying, "The British
Govt. does not order or condone torture."
Well, a lot of "someone"'s in the British
Govt. DID order it and condone it, so officials
in the British Govt. need to get over it and stop
bullsh*tting the world with their denials; it has
been proven that the United States did "order and condone"
torture, and in the face of this, Britain's denials
are insulting.
May Mr. Mohammed recieve the redress and compensation
he's due for the horror he's endured the last 6 or 7 years.
Thanks, Eleanor.
noted.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 12:18 pm
I hope so, Tim. And, yes, how dare they keep denying it! They no doubt thought it would not come out. It has taken long enough for any proof to appear. They have got away with so much over these years. Hopefully, the ones responsible will be charged and tried - but since it no doubt goes to the 'top' I wonder. I hope Binyam will recover. I admire him for his courage throughout these years and now!

Sunday March 8, 2009, 1:03 pm
It is of paramount importance for this information to reach the American and British Publics: vs., that torture is NEVER, repeat, NEVER used by these agencies to "get information", let alone "get information that will save lives". That is NEVER the real case. That is entirely a MYTH.

The torture is used, as you can clearly see by this and other first-person accounts, ONLY TO ELICIT FALSE CONFESSIONS. Just exactly the same as false and utterly fantastic confessions were elicited at the Witch Trials. We now know that those witches' "confessions" elicited under torture, were totally unbelievable -- flying thru the air, meeting with The Devil Himself, and statements of "guilt" like that.

The torturers are KNOWINGLY angling for FALSE CONFESSIONS; as in the case of the Witchhunters, they ALREADY HAVE THE SPECIFIC STORY IN MIND THEY WANT A "CONFESSION" TO. Note in the article, how the interrogators pressured to have a new quote, "clean", unquote, confession, "freely given", that would stand up in court.

THE PURPOSE OF THE TORTURE, IS SOLELY TO ELICIT A "CONFESSION", to a story that will convince the Public, that's US, you & me, convince us that WE ARE IN GREAT AND IMMEDIATE DANGER FROM "TERRORISTS". That is its sole purpose. It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "eliciting the Truth" -- just the OPPOSITE.

This gives those BEHIND the torture, the U.S. and British govts, a "plausible" excuse to deny all of us more & more of our Civil Liberties, which the govts find inconvenient. They seek to arouse a stampede of emotion, actually a kind of Fascistic state of mind, fear and rage and looking for a scapegoat, in the Public, who believing in the IMMINENT danger of "terrorism" would WILLINGLY give up their precious liberties.

The governments of both Britain and the U.S., COMPLETELY CYNICALLY torture these people, men and women and teenagers even, KNOWING that they COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE DONE WHAT THEY ARE BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT. ONLY trying -- and succeeding! -- in breaking their resistance to re-telling the stories and LIES they have been fed. You can see this PLAINLY, in the above account, which mirrors ALL the accounts that have come out so far.

Cynically, the governments above-mentioned, are THEMSELVES the agents of the "False Flag" "terrorist plots" they PRETEND to be "saving" us from. This will come out into the open, in International investigations already started, in good time.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 1:28 pm
That's it exactly, B. The cynical use of torture to find scapegoats - excuses to take away our hard-won civil liberties.

Sunday March 8, 2009, 3:10 pm
Bu$h Leaguers have Created More "Terrorists" than they have "captured"! I'm only surprised that they let any of these poor scapegoats & guinea pigs

Sunday March 8, 2009, 3:11 pm
Ooops, it posted before I was finished! I'm only surprised that they let any of these poor scapegoats & guinea pigs LIVE!

Sunday March 8, 2009, 7:05 pm
I can see our nasty load of polititians are gearing up the denial game. They Must realise the game is up...they have been rumbled. the evidence sits in a house in England. The time has come for this shameful Government dripping with complicity to stop the lying and start the owning up to the truth...thing about the truth...it has a nasty habit of jumping up and biting you where you least expect it...I look forward to the trials of this miserable rabble who thought they could get away with rendition, torture, imprisonment without trial and the efforts they made to prevent this man from returning.
Well the news is he did return. He was not totally broken. He recalls the treatment he has received. Now it is time for Bush, bLIAR and all the torture cronies to be put on trial...hey perhaps we could reserve them a cell at Gitmo..I hear there's one vacant.
I am so thrilled for this poor man and his family...hope he can be put on the road to recovery.

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:33 am
"How reliable is torture evidence?"

It isn't reliable. Even the FBI and CIA admit that.

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:38 am
oops, I meant "evidence gained from torture is not reliable"

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:38 am
Oh, by the way, when I say that even the FBI and CIA admit that torture isn't reliable, I can support that claim with the evidence in documentaries such as "Taxi to the Dark Side". : )

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:41 am
Hmmm... my comments were published out of order, so they don't make sense. But I think you can make sense of them with a bit of thought. ; )

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:50 am
It's ok, Simon. It is just so awful that so many people have been tortured despite the fact that they know this is the case.

Monday March 9, 2009, 10:53 am
If there us anything good to take from this horrible tale is, as this poor mans situation now has been highlighted, perhaps it will serve so that our polititions dont fall down this evil trap again.Thanks Eleanor

Tuesday March 10, 2009, 3:48 pm
I don't believe it teach our politicians anything, Simon, because the very fact that they themselves (MI5, CIA) say that torture is not a reliable source of information for them means that some of them practice it for the pure sadistic dastardly pleasure they obviously get from it. Why else would they do it?

Tuesday March 10, 2009, 3:57 pm
Excuse the grammar - it's late and I am rather tired. I meant 'I don't believe it will teach.......' of course.

Tuesday March 10, 2009, 4:05 pm
Binyam received no money for this article - he stipulated that all payment should go to the Helen Bamber Foundation (which tries to help people who have suffered torture). Also it was stipulated that all newspapers had to be free to use his statement. Jessie, I suppose it gives them a feeling of power and importance. Why does anyone torture anywhere? It happens so much! You would have to be a psychopath I think. Someone with no feelings for others or their pain.

Friday March 13, 2009, 9:56 am
There was a short, but very enlightening
interview done with Mr.Mohamed on BBC
World Service during the night. It may
be possible to find it at:

http://www.bbcworldservice.com

Friday March 13, 2009, 12:34 pm
Thanks so much, Tim.