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Anger That a Herod Show Uses West Bank Objects


Society & Culture  (tags: history, Jerusalem, Herod, anger, archaeological exhibition )

Alexa
- 577 days ago - nytimes.com
JERUSALEM - The Israel Museum on Tuesday opened its most ambitious archaeological exhibition devoted to Herod, the lionized and demonized Rome-appointed king of Judea, who reigned from 37 to 4 B.C.E. and is among the most seminal and contentious figures i



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MmAwayAwhile M. (457)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 2:24 pm
Thank you dear Alex...gotta get back to read this! In a rush! Noted now. xx
 

Sue Matheson (71)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 2:28 pm
thanks
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 3:51 pm
“We’re not about geopolitics, we’re not about minefields, we’re about trying to do the best and the right thing for the long term for material cultural heritage,” Mr. Snyder said. “Our goal was to invest in the preservation of this material and return it to the sites. We are but custodians, and we are always ready for it to be where it belongs.”

+++++++++++++++++++ OH GOOD GRIEF! Is it EVER possible for Muslims to be UNoffended about anything to do with Israel? Did THEY create an exhibit? Did THEY want to honor the historical past of the area? Did THEY want to challenge the intelligence and add to the knowledge of those living in historical areas?

No? THEN SHUT UP!
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 4:22 pm
Thanks.
 

marie c. (168)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 4:59 pm
Noted thank you
 

marie c. (168)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 5:01 pm
Can not send a green star to Pam as have done so within the last week
I do like your comments Pam this made me smile I totally agree
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 6:27 pm
Sorry Yonati..can't get into the site! :-(
 

Patricia GG (107)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 7:12 pm
The History in Jerusalem is endless.....I would love to live there long enough to explore all of it from the beginning of time. Awesome and very sacred & very holy.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (385)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 8:10 pm
Why does everything beautiful and exciting have to turn political? It's really a pain!
 

Edith B. (141)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 9:29 pm
Thanks, I enjoyed it.
 

David E. (82)
Friday February 22, 2013, 12:14 am
The archaeological world must be very wary about the safety of non-Islamic relics which fall under Moslem rule. We have seen in the past destruction of these precious items (i.e. Buddhist Temples destroyed in Afghanistan, Archaeological Museum in Cairo being ransacked, Egyptian fanatics calling for the Pyramids to be blown up)

The Palestinians have absolutely no respect for anything which might show historically a Jewish presence in the Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel). UNESCO should investigate the damage to archaeological relics from the 1st & 2nd Temples which are destroyed by the Palestinians in their diggings on the Temple Mount. I have written to various international archaeological societies regarding this matter and have received no response.

These Herodean finds must be preserved for future generations and not be trusted to the Palestinians.
 

Helen Porter (40)
Friday February 22, 2013, 1:35 am
If you breathe you are offensive to them because you have not breathed in worship of their God.

If you don't breathe then you're trying to make them look bad.

I am continuously reading and hearing over the news how Israel is giving to the Palestinians, even to getting medical care for children.

I'm going to say it: this war is on a higher level than the Earth plane. We wrestle not with flesh and blood but
against dark and evil powers who would that the enitre human race be exterminated.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Friday February 22, 2013, 1:52 am
in case you hadn't noticed, the palestinians will do anything to stay in the news. david elazar is right - the palestinians have proven themselves not only poor custodians of the treasures of other people (they turned jerusalem's old city into a virtual rubble pile between 1948-1967), they treat their own treasures with disregard. this is especially so of any archeological evidence which disagrees with their REWRITTEN HISTORY of the region, which pretends that jewish people were never there.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday February 22, 2013, 1:54 am
Send a Green Star to Hilary S.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Hilary because you have done so within the last week.
 

Stan B. (124)
Friday February 22, 2013, 2:11 am
The Palestinian Authority says the exhibition is a violation of international law. If anyone knows about violating international law it's the Palestinian Authority.
Thanks Alex.
 

David E. (82)
Friday February 22, 2013, 2:24 am
One more point! These are not "West Bank objects". The "West Bank" is a Jordanian invention from when they annexed the territory (1949-1967) as they considered it the part of Jordan on the west bank of the Jordan River. These objects are from 2000 years ago part of the Land of Israel called Judea. Even the term "Palestine" was reinvented by the Europeans and used by the British. The Ottoman Turks who ruled the area for about 500 years never used the word Palestine or Palestinians.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday February 22, 2013, 3:28 am
Excellent point David. If care2 allowed me to send more stars your way i would have..

I guess most people know this fact, but might your reminder useful.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday February 22, 2013, 9:24 am
David, Islamists intentionally destroy ANY non-Muslim clutures, not necessarily only Jewish.

Iranians mullahs destroyed anything they could find from pre-Koran area. Palestinian Arabs destroy anything related to Jewish history - lots of things to do, considering the age of the Jewish history there. Afganis destroyed Bhuddas.

The political wing of Islam, like any dictatorship, follows Orwellian doctrine on eliminating all "wrong" history.
 

Beth S. (326)
Friday February 22, 2013, 9:25 am
Thank you, Alexandra!
 

federico bortoletto (34)
Friday February 22, 2013, 9:36 am
Grazie Alexandra
 

tasunka m. (334)
Friday February 22, 2013, 9:49 am
they should change their motto from the "land of milk and Honey"...to the land of always walking on egg shells..
can't they do anything positive without the whining??
reminds me of the US,with the whining ,not all by,; to the tea party

will be passing around the tin foil hats if anyone wants one...funny,they found that those ridiculous hats actually might be a life saving thing,shielding people's brains from the magnetic force that is out of control from the center of the planet.

toda raba, chavera shelli
 

Maggie Kearns (7)
Friday February 22, 2013, 10:02 am
Thanks Alexandra! The whining is incredible. Can they ever say anything positive?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 22, 2013, 2:07 pm
Having visited the remains of one of Herod's palaces, I can say it is one of the most impressive structures I've ever been in. The man certainly did enjoy a room with a view. As for artifacts, they are completely an international issue in my opinion, no matter where they are found, and as such should be protected and proudly displayed.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday February 22, 2013, 2:42 pm
Send a Green Star to Heidi H.

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You cannot currently send a star to Heidi because you have done so within the last week.
 

Ge M. (218)
Friday February 22, 2013, 4:22 pm
Israel is a country full of history and it will have nothing to do with Muslims, of course they are going to be annoyed. This sounds like a fascinating show, I hope that it makes it to the UK.
 

marie c. (168)
Friday February 22, 2013, 4:26 pm
Oh Gillian yes would love it to eventually come to UK
 

marie c. (168)
Friday February 22, 2013, 4:27 pm
Can not send a green star to Gillian as have done so within the last week
 

Aurea Walker (201)
Friday February 22, 2013, 7:16 pm
Kudos to the archeologists who reconstructed this important historical site. What an enormous undertaking to recreate a long lost historical site. The irony is that the "Palestinians" really did not exist per se and Islam was NOT even a religion during Herod's reign.
 

Phil Wood (117)
Friday February 22, 2013, 7:31 pm
It's all Roman Syria, right?
 

Helen Porter (40)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 5:15 am
Thanks for the information.

Israel continues to even save the lives of Palestinians. Yet, Israel doesn't even get a nod of thanks from the parents and friends of those they save,
 

Jane H. (135)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 9:38 am
noted
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 10:05 am
Sounds like an incredible exhibit- thank you David for your historical comment.
 

David E. (82)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 11:30 am
Phil (Roman Syria) - like the name "Palestine" ,the name "Syria" was given to the region by the Greeks and later adopted by the Romans. The names have no historical meaning to Arabs and/or Moslems. Unlike "Israel" and "Judea" which have a deep historical meaning to the Jewish People for over two thousand years.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 11:35 am
Thanks David for your interesting historical points made!

If care2 allowed me to send you more stars I would have done so ...
 

Ms Noting Commentator (22)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 12:33 pm
National Geographic did an article of the Herodium site. It was a very good article!!! Herodium was constructed in a nearly impossible place; however, it was very out-of-the-way and private, and I believe that was what Herod was striving for at that time in his life.

I do understand the Israeli point of view. However, I do not believe the Arabs have ever been noted for restoring anything. It takes a lot of work restoring artifacts.

(I will go off on a little tangent for a bit; however, I will get the point across of how much work goes into restoring things.)

Korea suffered a brutal conventional war, so much so that very few trees were left standing. The trees that were standing were made into memorials. One tree was memorialized for being the only tree for one hundred miles. That was how bad that war was.

When I was in South Korea, I bought an antique wood and brass hutch with rice paper doors. I spent a few hundred dollars and had the hutch delivered. The store owner handed me my Papers of Authenticity verifying it was an antique.

Now, the man could not read English and the paper was in English; however, I did not read the document until after I walked home.

Yeh, it was an antique! The only parts of the hutch that survived the Korean War were the thin floor frame and an old brass lock for the rice paper doors on the upper half of the hutch. The rest—which was 95%-- of the hutch was new construction of a replica of what the hutch would have looked like in its entirety.

My husband got a laugh. I was ashamed. My husband, whose father served in the Korean War, already knew the severity of the conventional war on Korea’s soil.

It was a beautiful wooden hutch with lots of brass. It had wooden draws covered with brass and rice paper doors covered in brass.

When we divorced, my husband wanted the hutch and its Paper of Authenticity.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 2:05 pm
Thanks for your interesting contribution Portland! I do hope you got that hutch and its Paper of Authenticity in the end!

Indeed, building up something or restoring something to its former glory is a patient and painstaking job, but worth the effort!
 

Birgit W. (144)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 2:47 pm
Thanks
 

Jude Hand (59)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 3:49 pm
Hmm. Tx.
 

Russell R. (87)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 4:54 pm
This is not only about the Jews and their History, but, iit is also the History of Christian Faith from the beginning of time. Everything that you hold sacred is also part of Christianity for the man named, Jesus, was of Jewish Faith and followed Jewish customs. The one that Jesus said was, that He was the Last, meaning prophet, teacher, making moham a false prophet. If satan reigns here on Earth, which is taught in both Faiths, then moham is satan's seed and wants to wipe out all evidence of the past, so that all life surrounds his book of lies and deceit. I feel sorry for Israel and it's people, for they have to look into the "Eyes of the Beast"!
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 5:55 am
“We’re not about geopolitics, we’re not about minefields, we’re about trying to do the best and the right thing for the long term for material cultural heritage,” Mr. Snyder said. “Our goal was to invest in the preservation of this material and return it to the sites. We are but custodians, and we are always ready for it to be where it belongs.”

Exactly! Why didn't the PA do all of this excavation if it cared so much about Jewish history (and Christian, since Herod figures big in that too)???? They do nothing to build their own civilization, their only desire is to destroy the 3000 year old civilization the Jews/Hebrews built in this land of Israel. A pox on the buggers.

What a fascinating museum this must be! We are planning on visiting Israel soon to see all of the wonderful history and archaeology that is there, and enjoy the exuberant atmosphere to be found also.

When the Muslims invaded, conquered and oppressed Jerusalem centuries ago (the cause of the Crusades) they destroyed one of Christianity's holiest places, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher where Christ was buried those 3 days - even to hacking the stone away to destroy all traces of it. Then they deliberately gave the finger to the Jews who Islam has preached hate against since Mohammed had hundreds slaughtered, raped, robbed and enslaved, by building their desecrations, the Dome of the Rock (which is covered with Islamic verses of hate toward Jews and Christians) and al-Aqsa mosque on the Jews' holiest site - The Temple Mount, and they won't even let the Jews stand there to pray!

The Saudis, the keepers of purest Islam, have even been destroying their own historical sites to make room for modern touristic buildings (no infidels allowed, though), even destroying one site to build a public toilet! How can anyone trust these people to care for the treasures of humanity's past? Some Muslim leaders are even calling for the destruction of the great Egyptian treasures now that the Muslim Brotherhood has seized power there.

Thanks for Israel, otherwise the whole region would be a black hole of backwardness, superstition and ignorance.
 

Carola May (20)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 5:58 am
What a wonderful thing! Just ignore the whiners. Hopefully they won't send in a suicide bomber to destroy it all! I wonder where all the Jew-hating Israelophobes are to spew their bigotry on this great project on behalf of their best friends the people brutalizing Palestinian leaders?
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 6:05 am
David and Bob, you are so right! Another Islamist abomination against civilization and humanity is the recent outlawing in Iran/Persia by the Islamic Dictatorship there of statues of Buddha! They are to collect any and all to be destroyed. They're 'foreign' and thus un-Islamic. Goes along with their banning of Barbie Dolls too, we guess:) What a bunch of dimwit bigots. (http://www.care2.com/news/member/296771588/3533982 )

Thanks for this interesting story Alexandra!
 

Joy McR (130)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 2:09 pm
Noed.. Thank you
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Tuesday February 26, 2013, 11:55 pm
This sounds like a wonderful exhibit..! These are priceless and I'm so glad they are preserved and there to be enjoyed by all........... The relics of our past need to be treasured as history and art, never destroyed as in all the statues of Buddha that have been obliterated by religious extremists........ Extremism in all it's forms is dangerous. Thanks for posting this Alexandra
 

. (0)
Wednesday February 27, 2013, 1:02 pm
Sounds incredible. Thanks Alexandra and David
 

. (0)
Wednesday February 27, 2013, 1:03 pm
sorry Alex-notes not taking
 
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