Monday December 17, 2007, 3:19 am
Wether this webcam shows some polar bears happily romping is beside the point. The title of the piece tells us global warming is irelevent. Even if global warming is caused by sunspots or not the fact is that we humans are causing massive devastation through deforestation and pollution. Those are facts and if we carry on the earth and its creatures (human and nonhuman) are suffering. A couple of polar bears on a webcam does not satisfy me and I will still fight man destruction of our planet. Wearing rose tinted spectacles may help some in the short-run but it helps no-one in the long-run.

Monday December 17, 2007, 3:21 am
Two very good links -
I .State of Polar Bears
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/environment/threats-to-animals-environment/polar-bears.html?fs=green-panther.nationalgeographic.com

2.http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071216/NATIONWORLD/712160427/-1/LOCAL17
Not scenery!

Monday December 17, 2007, 3:52 am
It may be considered by some to be news... me, I don't understand it? but then I only speak english fluently :)

Monday December 17, 2007, 8:03 am

While Gore has started a new Corporation to Tax Carbon Trading, We are being side-ditched on the real issues of;
Monsanto driving African Farmers to Suicide with the debt to their generic seed replacements, and Bill Gates buying/owning the lands he is claiming to help with agriculture, and trash lead/computers being piled sky high on poorer continents, and Uranium explosives in the East, $9 Billion Dollars unaccounted for recently became $10 Billion unaccounted for, and deforestation of Indonesia for palm oils, deforestation and So. America, and remember Agent Orange.

What got Tillman and the other female Sgt. murdered in Iraq? What is it they learned? What about Blackwater Training Ctrs going up in the U.S. and Military merging with US police, and the Truth about 9/`11, and 35,000 immigrants granted US Citizenship serving one year in Iraq with 8,000 more joining every year?

Where are these Truth Seeking Stories that have dire consequences to the world?
400 Billion to give Homeland Security Street Light Color Charts, while the borders of the US remain open to a Militant Pakistani who came across a few months ago with the main stream that invades daily?

The meaningful, the real, and pertinent stories of the present. What is really going on while
the Noble Peace Prize is given for acknowledging Carbons all environmentalist have been laureating for decades?

What about the danger of Private Armies, few Americans have a clue of? The Privatization of Water for control?

These are more noble, more evident, most easily proven.

Gore is a Distraction with no solution, only a business chess game for the power movers/players.

Warming, I hope not but volcanoes, bombs, and our elites limos and private jets spew more carbons than my mass transit !!

We have real VERIFIABLE thefts, lies, dangers, continuing everyday and Global Warming will be the last thing (if that what it is) that does us in. Especially with all the water privatized and not enough labor for the world slaves.

I like the Web Cam though. Very refreshing while we all last.

Monday December 17, 2007, 8:27 am
NADIA "Especially now that I reliaze you don't believe in global warming"

Everyone on this comment list has clearly stated that, they do NOT, NOT beleive in global warming

We are simply saying that Global warming is caused by the Sun's Solar cycles and natural causes.
Global Warming is NOT MAN MADE, does not have to do with CO2
The Debate needs to be switched from global warming to AIR Pollution the problem that needs to be addressed is air pollution

Personally all this global warming fearmongering makes me feel like we are repeating the 70's

give a hoot don't pollute. the early 70's while war was raging in Korea, the govt was at work scaring us about Pollution and the enviroment, the same techniques they are using now.

Same scenario, different decade

It has been clearly proven with cited documents that Global warming is a Bilderberg creation, to bring in a NWO aka world govt and place a carbon tax upon the people, so they can pay for the pollution caused by govt military complexes and corporations.
With this coincides a NAU or SPP, a North American union will drive down the wage even farther, so that it will come to a point where people cannot pay this so called Carbon Tax. And what happens when you don't pay your taxes? Ask Ed and Elaine Brown.

meanwhile for fun Bilderberg will have the americans and mexicans enter into another Spanish/American war then once over , easier to enslave only half the population, because the other half is dead. And I know which half will be dead. It is the Americans Causcasian white people. So you had better start to wake up.
Why did I say the white american race? Because American govt has already enslaved a good portion of the Negro Culture be imprisoning them in American Jails

Monday December 17, 2007, 8:40 am
from a dear friend here on C2 who is more northern then me suffering from global warming
I have just shovelled more (explicative) snow then I ever have in my life, with every shovel full I thought lovebug honey wished this on me!!!! Have a Happy Holiday Peace

Monday December 17, 2007, 8:41 am

Not noting this came into my sacred network! I will not note this because if I did it would allow Global Warming to kill people and animals.

This is Care2 not Kill2

Monday December 17, 2007, 9:05 am

Thats what care2 might become Mari....free thinking is a good way to go always.

Sagan, Facing Death, Confronts Life in Final Book

Sagan enunciates the central question of this book in the text of a speech delivered at Gettysburg on July 3, 1988, the 125th anniversary of the great Civil War battle there. He asks "whether the fundamental unit of [human] identification will expand to embrace the planet and the species, or whether we will destroy ourselves first. I'm afraid it's going to be very close." Though the Cold War has since ended, Sagan insists in an update to that address "that nuclear weapons remain our greatest danger--even though substantial, even stunning, improvements in human safety have transpired. . . . It could all change overnight."

In a remarkable sequence of seven essays collected under the section heading "What are Conservatives Conserving?", Sagan discusses the dual threats of depleted stratospheric ozone and increased amounts of so-called "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. He contrasts the rapid and environment-saving international response to the Antarctic "ozone hole" to the possibly devastating delays, driven by economic and political factors, in world reaction to danger of global warming.

"We have become predators on the biosphere--full of arrogant entitlement, always taking and never giving back," he writes in the concluding chapter of that section. "There is plenty of blame to share.

Monday December 17, 2007, 12:18 pm
i agree with nadia & holly

Monday December 17, 2007, 12:24 pm
"this is just peachy" ft's

Monday December 17, 2007, 1:07 pm
PEACE PLEASE!!! I will always be in Ali's corner because she was my first friend when I came to Care2 and has been a wonderful friend to me and to others - each and everyone of us is entitled to his or her opinion - of course they will differ because that is our uniqueness - we have to agree to disagree and respect each other not call names and be abusive - especially at this time of the year when we ought to be spreading love and caring and sharing. Love, Light, Blessing & most of all HARMONY to you all. J. Hugzzzzzzzzzzz

Monday December 17, 2007, 1:57 pm
I am taking NO ONES "side" except that of planet Earth, and the plight of many animals, including (and especially), polar bears. Thier habitat has been SO destructed due to global warming, that they are now drowning as the distance between glaciers and icebergs becomes greater.

Anyone not willing to admit this is in denial.

Therefore, I guess I am in agreement with Nadia.

Ali asked me to delete her off my friends list if I were in agreement.

I am now deleting Ali, as per her request.

Monday December 17, 2007, 2:18 pm

try google
EU or Britain Carbon Trading.

You will find in the past year of implementing this great tax plan,
that their carbon emissions have actually risen!

That's right.
Carbon Emissions have increased with Carbon Trading.
Why?
Because 17 countries emit little to none and are in the trade group.

Maybe when I find time I can find it those facts and countries involved.

Why can't we be friends, as that old song goes.

Monday December 17, 2007, 3:29 pm
Sadly noted. I am sure that everyone on Care 2 is very concerned about global warming. Gore has been very enthusiastic and contributed a lot to call global attention to global warming, but Nobel Prize of Peace is not a scientific award. There are enough pros and cons whether these changes are caused by humans. I am not able to give any hints since I am not an expert on global warming.

For those who really want to understand more about global warming, the best way is to pay more attention to scientific evidences and to study more about it. It will be helpful to keep our mind open and consider contradictory evidences. It is science, but not worship. Also, it will be more constructive to debate on data and facts rather than to call names.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” by Evelyn Beatrice Hall.

Monday December 17, 2007, 4:10 pm
I leave it to experts. And I don't believe chaos in a blog site creates healthy or proactive reasoning...ONLY CHAOS.
Let's just say that poisening of the atmosphere by the pollutions we STILL produce can't be GOOD for us or the earth, eh????
Name calling just breeds immature words and has nothing to do with the issue at hand. IMHO

Monday December 17, 2007, 4:40 pm
these are the facts.

AL gore lied 9 times, this is Cited MSM fact
AL gore was in office during OKC and Waco
Al Gore owns a Coal mine
AL gore uses a gulfstream to make his lectures

The bottom line is this article for being a simple link to a scenery webcam, has turned into such a political frenzy.


When will people just learn to enjoy the gifts given to them?

Monday December 17, 2007, 5:12 pm
(I am not talking about Gore). It is quite true that many liars in the country become rich and famous, whereas some honest people may not be able to make ends meet. Disregarding the validity of the theory of man-made weather change, I believe that it is a great opportunity to cut the production of greenhouse gases that are certainly hazardous to our health (humans and animals).

Scientists also discovered that Greenland was once much warmer that today. Any one who would like to challenge Gore should do more research and study on global warming. Perhaps you might win the Nobel Prize of Physics or Chemistry in the near future.

Monday December 17, 2007, 5:59 pm
I do not disagree with global warming.
Global warming is very much a true fact.
However it is not caused by what the global govt or UN wants us to beleive.
Global warming is naturally caused by the Sun Cycling in a 11-13 year cycle. it is now at its maximum.
Please look at the definition of the Sun on Wikipedia for proof of what i say.

i feel that the global warming debate needs to be switched to the Air Pollution debate. The cause of greenhouse gases is from Corporations putting crap in our atmosphere
Not higher CO2 concentrations.

Because as we see from our past history and prehistoric times. If the atmosphere had High concentrations of CO2. the Plants and trees would be Huge. Because plants breathe CO2.

So if CO2 is so bad, then why is it keeping plants alive? And if plants breath CO2 and give off Oxygen, then is it really bad if the Earth gets more oxygen?

little science test here.

When you are at rest, your body breathes normally
When you run, your body breathes heavier thus allowing for the make up of the lost oxygen , that you are using

Plants work the same way, If there is a higher concentration of CO2 in the Air, the plants will have to react and absorb more CO2, thus making the plants grow larger and producing an over abundance of O2

Now here are the reasons for global warming and which none of the global warming pushers wish to discuss

The Sun cycling and being at it's maximum in 2007

NASA's reports on Mar's Jupiter and Saturn these planets also are warming

HAARP is located in alaska, HAARP heats up the atmosphere and controls weather systems, If HAARP heats the atmosphere and is in alaska and close to the north pole, it would melt the ice in the polar regions

Russia is doing war manuevers in the North Pole and greenland.
The biggest polluter on the earth are warships. A nuclear sub putting off heat under the north pole and 10 battleships above the ice, would tend to have an impact on that enviroment

Chemtrails, Chemtrails are very true and poisonous. I will not state anything on this subject i will simply point you to the evidence
www.carnicom.com

Weather modication, again there is nothing i can say this is a FACT and very true, if not Fargo North Dakota would NOT have issued a business license

www.weathermodification.com and .org

Depleted Uranium used in Bushs illegal occupancy of Iraq, Plus the heat from the war itself

Cherynobel meltdown

CIA rendition flights, Neocon global warming lectures around the world, Neocons forming a Charity benefit in which they all fly and drive to, to make you think your the problem of global warming and sucking money out of you

9/11 EPA report, dying 9/11 responders of lung disease and the asbestos that went into the air that day

All the things i listed above directly impact the atmosphere and cause damage

So I will be more then happy to debate on Air Pollution, But global warming is nothing more then the Sun at its maximum and there is nothing we can do about that

Monday December 17, 2007, 6:03 pm
Eduardo. I will be glad to except your challenge, However i need to ask one question

Any one who would like to challenge Gore should do more research and study on global warming.

Am I allowed to distort facts, bury charts, alter data and fearmonger those who disagree with me, while i fly around in my gulfstream polluting jet, charging some astronomical fee to speak on the subject?

Monday December 17, 2007, 10:54 pm

I use to ride a 10 speed bike to work in the city.
1. To enjoy the sire
2. To beat the traffic
3. Always could beat the bus.

Monday December 17, 2007, 10:56 pm
oppps
..( 1. ) To enjoy the air ( but I was thinking sun ).

Monday December 17, 2007, 11:34 pm
Well, all my friends know i am deaf, so my senses are more pronounced than some so i do not as some say "hear" the birds sing. I do not know any better anyway, but one thing I know among much is, beauty, as so many do, and those pictures are showing beauty. I also know about Global warming and the ugliness of that, and we are tipping the scales here on a balancing act, I am so sad to see. I am reading very touchy subjects here that so many of us here are devoting a great deal of our lives on and believe very strongly about. But I do also believe in Love, peace, and harmony. As you also do too. There is nothing wrong with us all discussing our opinions on what we believe in, because that is what makes us so beautiful and unique. But when we start taking what each other say personally to heart when it is not meant to be that way, then hurtfull feelings arise and are typed out to each other. When one believes something so strongly, no matter what another person says about it, most likely it will not change their mind, so do not even try, why would you want to anyway? You feel something is wrong, you post it, you voice your opinion, then people voice theirs, that is the way it always is. Why do some have to become vindictive because they do not believe in what the other is trying to say? Then they do not want to be friends because another is agreeing with the other they don't agree with......and it goes on. We claim to love the earth, the animals, the people.... we are strong and we do not want to fail in what we believe in... We should lead by example! Do not let anyone make you feel inferior, and vice versa... we are here for each other for all things. Even for this. My friends send me links to come to the news to note for them, I always note it for them, and then I read it. I get very sad to see this thread to see everyone be sad and hurt over a cause we all believe to be such a major concern and a cause most of us put so much time and energy in helping. Sorry, I think I typed so much here. Love you guys.... Serena~

Monday December 17, 2007, 11:35 pm
We know global warming is here and now,. but Mother nature has so much beauty all around us and the 2 are totally different happenings.

Tuesday December 18, 2007, 2:57 am
Nyack put it very accurately and succintly.
I have also acceded to to Ali's request.
Now I have a request - if anyone else on my friends'list wish to be deleted because I'm not in agreement with them on an issue - would they please just go ahead and delete - I have no interest in taking sides,or being involved in bickering - which detracts from the limited time I have to do what I joined Care2 to do - that is Support a Cause!

Tuesday December 18, 2007, 5:27 am
Snap, crackle, pop.

Could the breaking up of Greenland's ice shelf have anything to do with the drilling explorations that started about the same year in the SW & SE areas?

The Fiskenaesset Ruby Project covers a sizeable 110km2 of land and is located on the southwest coast of Greenland, about 160km south of the capital Nuuk. True North has an option to own a 100% interest on the claims.

True North has worked on the project since 2004, doing bulk sampling, mapping and drilling, and is now in the permitting and scoping stage.

True North also has emerald and sapphire properties in the Yukon and on Baffin Island.

As per its September 18th press release, the company announced visible ruby and pink sapphire mineralization in 12 of 25 holes drilled as part of the ongoing 5,000m drill program. So far, a total of 2,313.5m has been drilled with the depth of individual holes ranging from 50.3m to 221.9m,

And,

The nickel discovery is situated on the south coast of Ammassalik Island 6 kms southwest of Tasiilaq, East Greenland. The initial discovery by Mr. Anders Lie, who now leads the exploration team, resulted from 52 meters of systematic chip sampling

.. Diamond Fields International has entered into an exploration option and joint venture agreement with Inco Limited, the world's leading nickel company, on its nickel project located on Ammassalik Island off the southeast coast of Greenland.

In 2006 Inco was removed from the FTSE4GOOD index for failing to meet their human rights criteria. The company has had disputes with native groups and environmental concerns over mine runoff.

The logo of Inco Limited and CVRD Inco, prior to CVRD's rebranding as Vale on November 29, 2007.
Vale Inco Limited (formerly CVRD Inco)[1] is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Brazilian mining company Companhia Vale do Rio Doce (CVRD). It is CVRD's nickel mining and metals division and is headquartered in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. It produces nickel, copper, cobalt, platinum, palladium, rhodium, ruthenium, iridium, gold, and silver. Prior to being purchased by CVRD it was the world's second largest producer of nickel, and the third largest mining company outside South Africa and Russia of platinum-group metals. It was also a charter member of the 30-stock Dow Jones Industrial Average formed on October 1, 1928.

Tuesday December 18, 2007, 6:27 am
Thank you everyone who noted this wonderful cool webcam site and help it make Front Page


Carol, It is never the obvious according to Care2 members, it can only be Man's fault and CO2 emissions, even though we have proven it is the Sun, chemtrailing, HAARP, and Air Pollution.

Boy they really get mad when you tell them that the Sun is at its maximum solar cycle right now, and hopefully will cool agains in a few year. The cycling has been going on for billions of years. But global warming is something new and the Sun can't be at fault even NASA has reported that warming is also taking place on Mar's Jupiter and Saturn.

I dare one care2 member to address this issue,,But they won't

They want us to shut up and pay are Carbon tax to the rich elite, and be good little slaves.

Dissendence is the highest form of Patriotism
Debate builds character and knowledge

No debate, Brings back, Hitler and Germany , and i feel like i'm the Jew

Nothing like living in the soviet union again. I best shut up now before I get DHS at my door questioning me, in the land of the free and the home of the slaves

Tuesday December 18, 2007, 7:39 am
Hi everyone! This seems to be where the actions at huh? :) lol

It seems to me that if all of us are here at Care2, then there is obviously SOMETHING we all would agree on... EVERYONE HERE GENUINELY CARES about one good cause or another... does it really matter who agrees or disagrees???? Can't we all just AGREE to DISAGREE? geez, when we begin to attack one another, call names, disrespect & criticize, who do you think you hurt? and why are you even trying to hurt someone? shame on you!

We all have to live in this world, let's try to make a difference that is POSITIVE... end this negative bull crap, the bitchin & moanin aint gonna get you no where...

So what if some do or don't like the news that others post here at care2, does it really matter? does it make such a difference in your lives that you have to get upset and continue this childish behavior?

Most of us scream out "PEACE" and "LOVE" ... so I ask you, where is that peace & love now in your hearts, especially at Christmastime???

The greatest beauty about human-beings, is that we are not all the same, we don't all think alike or do we feel the same... Respect others opinions, and if you cannot? Ignore it, because all this bickering is seriously ridiculous! We are all loving, caring people, just appreciate that quality in one another if nothing else...

Now can we all get on with the real issue's, the one's that we at Care2 really need to focus on & try to change? My mama always said "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all"! :)

Thank you :)