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Lebanon Gives Green Light to Gaza-Bound Aid Ship


World  (tags: Lebanon, Freedom Flotilla, Gaza-Bound Aid Ship, "Julia", "Naji Al Ali", "Mariam" )

Dave
- 1393 days ago - jordantimes.com
"In defiance of Israeli warnings to Lebanon, organisers are planning to transport aid along with dozens of Lebanese and foreign journalists to the Hamas-controlled territory. . ."



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Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 9:19 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Abo r. (94)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 10:00 am
Noted, thanks Dave
Hope and pray no harm and violation to human rights will occure, pray no attacke and murdering will be as what happened with Marmara Ship and Al Hurria convey ships.
Hope all good people in the world will stand up supporting the arival of aids to the children, women and sick people in GAZA with safety.
If US and EU will not support Israel the blockage will finish and the whole situation will be solved hoping with justice...
No for hunger No for lack of food, No for lack of drugs and medical supplies, No for lack of the essentials of living needs , No for cutting off the electricity power and No for impure water, yes for rebuilding and repairing the infrastructure in GAZA and everywhere in the world.
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 12:40 pm
If only all Arabs would unite, they would be able to withstand all the trials and tribulations of the area.
 

Locan Sleeping-Squirrel (209)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 1:15 pm
THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHING, THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHING!

Sorry, my uncle (now deceased,) dropped out of school to go to Selma for support and we used to listen to Chicago and talk of the importance of taking a stand against racial injustice. I miss him, but know his spirit is with those of us that see this for what it is.
 

Sam H. (366)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 1:42 pm
It may make your uncle happy to know how proud we are of his nephew for all the great work he does . You seem to be honoring his memory by following in his foot steps, Locan.
 

Robert O. (12)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 3:13 pm
I'll be praying that all goes well with the ship and there are no further incidents.
 

Ofer G. (3)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 3:33 pm
I truly think that the European / Western “left organizations are making a “bear” service to the Palestinians and Israelis at the same time.
To the Palestinians, because they encourage their militant forces like “Hamas” to keep the war by promising them that Israel will be eliminated, and they will win their own country from the Mediterranean See to the Jordan River. That way instead of signing a peace treaty between them and Israel they keep the war.
To Israel, since when the people of Israel watch at the international media the tones of hatred against their own and only one country, they feel so frustrated that they afraid to make brave steps towards peace.
That way the left by his naivety actually encouraging war and we all are paying with blood.
The right way, as I see the situation, is to be more balanced on the conflict, not to be all the time just against the “evil Israelis”, and to let the Palestinians understand that in order to end that conflict, the only thing they need to do is to recognize the existence of Israel.
It’s in your hand guys…
Peace!
 

Dave C. (867)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 4:27 pm
From USS Liberty to Freedom Flotilla

William Cook Reflects on US Hypocrisy About its "Ally" in the Middle East -

"We do not need to apologise for defending ourselves. The armada of hate and violence is merely one manifestation of the constant provocation Israel faces." -- Danny Ayalon, deputy foreign minister of Israel

Only a member of the Netanyahu court could stand before the TV cameras of the world and see "hate and violence" in a shipment of wheelchairs, medical supplies and building materials destined for a people ravaged by the savagery of the 20008/2009 invasion of Gaza. This "Armada" of six boats, bloated into an invading force capable of destroying the British Navy, represents yet again the eternal threat that plagues the Zionist state, "the constant provocation" from the rest of the nations of the world to destroy the tiny democracy created for those who belong to their faith, victims once again.

And why? Doesn't Israel simply want to defend itself as is the right of every nation? This too, this everlasting question hurled at the world as a justified reason for unwarranted violence, used yet again to impose its will in defiance of International Law that none can question lest they deny their right to self defence. How convenient, especially when no one in the world of nations knows where Israel is, what borders it possesses, what land is rightfully Israel's, and by what authority that land was given to Israel. But apparently it can claim to defend itself in International waters against 700 civilians, legislators from many lands, peace activists that range in age from one year to 85, from Jews to Christians to Muslims to atheists, from doctors to lawyers, to merchants to retired men and women, a flotilla of "hate and violence" set on destroying the peaceful state of Israel. A flotilla of mercy, a flotilla of absolute need since the people of Gaza have not only been ravaged by missiles and warships but by illegal weapons of vast devastation, including white phosphorus and depleted uranium, that cause excruciating, agonising death, and left in the aftermath to suffer behind locked gates bereft of medical supplies, equipment or electricity to run the machines of life.

Lawrence Durrell describes a mournful, solitary scene in his guide to the landscape and people of the island of Corfu: "We carried him in his open box to the cemetery on the hill, and all the time this poetry was flowing out of Mother Hubbard in a continuous stream, keeping pace with her tears, for she really loved Taki. 'Was the coffin open?' 'Yes.' 'Is that a religious custom of the island?' 'No. But under the Turks it was a law to prevent the smuggling of arms in coffins under the pretence of carrying corpses to the grave. In some places it has lingered on among the superstitious.'"

The Turks have obviously moved on from those days centuries ago as they loaded the boat with its items of mercy and verified that process for the Israeli government, a government that has understood its relationship to be a good one, but not good enough to be trusted apparently. The Zionist state trusts no one, obeys no laws but its own, suffers no outsiders like the UN to witness its actions, and perhaps superstitiously or perhaps pathologically must maintain the sickness of victimhood in its citizens or lose their support. Above all, the Zionist government does nothing in the open except by mistake as it did in 2006 when it invaded Lebanon and in its Hannakah gifts to the people of Gaza a year ago, and hence dropped its hooded and heavily armed mercenaries onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara at 4am while the innocent slept and the darkness hid their insidious attack.

Following the attack on one of its own vessels, Turkey sought justice from the United Nations in the form of a statement "that would condemn Israel for violating international law, demand a UN investigation and demand that Israel prosecute those responsible for the raid and pay compensation to the victims" ( The Salt Lake Tribune ). But the Obama administration found reason to protect Israel against such a statement just as the Lyndon Johnson administration found reason to protect Israel when it attacked the American Naval vessel the USS Liberty 43 years ago, an attack of greater magnitude and consequence than the raid on the Freedom Flotilla, yet just as illegal, just as merciless, and just as revealing of true friendship among nations. To this day, the remaining sailors of that ship seek justice, not from the UN, but from their own representatives in our Congress who deny the attack or obsequiously grovel before the power of the Jewish lobbies that condemn those who condemn Israel for putting American sailors at risk, nay for killing American sailors with impunity, a blatant criminal act against their beloved friend, the United States of America.

What has Obama to fear that he too capitulates to the demands of the Zionist sympathisers in Congress and his own administration? Have citizens of many countries no rights to sail in international waters to bring medical supplies to a besieged people, imprisoned now in collective punishment for three years, deprived of life's basic needs by a nation that is among the wealthiest in the world, who live in luxury behind the walls they have erected to incarcerate a people that have no recognised government, no military, no control of their roads, their own housing needs, their own economy? And the world, it seems, supports the nation that creates this horrendous injustice because the president of the United States demands that those who lifted deck chairs to protect themselves from the armed and armoured commandos dropped from the sky should be investigated for legal acts of self protection? What nonsense is this?

Why does our president, like Johnson 43 years ago, kowtow before the demands of men like Avigdor Lieberman and Bibi Netanyahu? Consider that a broad array of countries demanded an independent investigation, not just Turkey. Consider the words of Foreign Minister of Turkey Ahmet Davutoglu, who called the attack "tantamount to banditry and piracy. It is murder conducted by a state." Indeed, why do Americans tolerate a nation that attacks its own sailors, that watches as this administration pulls the FBI off its investigation and the prosecution of Israeli spying through AIPAC operatives, and refuses to demand justice for the murder of Rachel Corrie as she acted in true American spirit to protect those who could not protect themselves and suffered a cruel death by Israeli hands for her efforts?

What power does this rogue nation hold over our government? Let's begin with the two favourite mantras that bind Israel to America: our only friend in the MidEast and the only democracy in the MidEast. Both are lies. Friends do not attack the ship of a friend, a ship that was virtually at the mercy of the US provided aircraft to the Israeli Air Force that pulverised the Liberty while the Israeli Navy attempted to sink the ship with a torpedo. Friends do not use the military weapons of the friend on the friend. Friends do not premeditatedly plan the sinking of a ship to force that friend to believe a lie so that it will enter a war on behalf of Israel against a nation, Egypt, that had done nothing to the United States. These are the actions of a criminal mind, a nation with a criminal mind. Friends do not plan out military attacks against innocent civilians who have devoted their time and money to bring life giving aid to others and demonstrated their true intent before the world's nations by having their boats inspected only to have Israel not trust any nation but itself. Such actions do not protect the soldiers and sailors of the United States operating in the MidEast, they endanger them.

How democratic is this purported democracy? I've written about this subject before (see "Israeli Democracy: Fact or Fiction?") and will not repeat myself. Let me note here an example of a nation that does not act democratically as presented by Jonathan Cook about a matter called the "Anat Kamm espionage affair". Kamm provided hundreds of army documents to Uri Blau, a reporter for Haaretz, that revealed "systematic law-breaking by the Israeli high command operating in occupied Palestinian territories, including orders to ignore court rulings." These were published. She now faces life imprisonment as does Blau, who was hiding in England in April. As Cook remarks, "In a properly democratic country, Kamm would have an honourable defence against the charges, of being a whistle-blower rather than a spy, and Blau would be winning journalism prizes, not hiding away in exile." So much for freedom of speech, right to self- defence, and the public's right to know the subterfuge of their government.

One additional comment should suffice. Tzvia Greenfield makes this observation in her article "Israel's Choice: Make Peace or Disappear". "Israel... continues to control the Palestinians and the territories by force. And in order to maintain its Jewish identity, it also has no intention whatsoever of granting them equal civil rights. One does not have to be a critical intellectual to understand that this internal contradiction, in a state that considers itself advanced, Western and democratic, is untenable." This nation is what our government claims is our only friend and our only democratic bastion in the MidEast. How pathetic.

Yet our president and our secretary of state declare over and over again that they will defend Israel's right to "self-defence". Does that right include defence of the military systematically disobeying laws and the government's intent to deny equal rights of citizens? Does it also include defence of lands confiscated by Israel or annexed illegally to Israel or declared military security land and wrested from the true owners? How does this nation justify theft by its truest friend and still declare that Palestinians have rights? Let's have our government officials speak the truth so that we know the true state of our government.

One more demonstrated action by this friendly state, our truest and most reliable friend that we must defend before the other less friendly and democratic, and dare we say, less moralistic nations of the world. Desmond Tutu visited the occupied territories recently and offered this observation, "I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid. I have witnessed the humiliation of Palestinian men, women, and children made to wait hours at Israeli checkpoints routinely when trying to make the most basic trips to visit relatives or attend school or college."

This is a regime we support, one that humiliates and degrades innocent civilians against international law, that builds roads segregated for Jews only on land confiscated from its rightful owners and paid for in part by American tax dollars. This is a regime we support that has sold nuclear weapons to that same apartheid government when it was outlawed by the international community demonstrating thereby two important and non-disclosed things about this rogue state, this friendly and democratic state that insists it is America's closest and greatest friend: first it has weapons of mass destruction but denies it, and second, it will and has sold such weapons to an illegal government. This is the regime we trust, the regime now whose president, Shimon Peres, is the very man that arranged for the sale.

This is the regime our president must avoid offending lest it be forced to join the nuclear non-proliferation agreement he and the United Nations wishes to exist in the MidEast. This is the regime we must placate by protesting "the grave dangers of Syria's transfer of weapons to Hizbullah... transferring weapons to these terrorists... which pose a serious threat to the security of Israel ... We do not accept such provocative and destabilising behaviour -- nor should the international community," said Hillary Clinton in April.

Hypocritically, this is the regime the United States Department of State provides with billions of dollars worth of military weapons yearly that it uses in such illegal ways as the invasion of Gaza, declaring it was defending itself, when in fact it killed in one minute by one missile on the UN school more Gazan civilians than all the rockets fired legally from their occupied land by insurgents since 2000. And this is Israel's only defence, its right to defend itself.

Who are the terrorists? Why does the United States defend this terrorist state? What laws does the US abide by? The laws as dictated by Israel or the laws as negotiated and agreed upon by the community of nations through the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Court of Justice. Why, if Israel has done no wrong in this latest of incidents, why does it not present its case before the ICJ and demonstrate to the world that it was right and the international community wrong? What has Israel to fear except the loss of fear by its citizens. And what we may ask does America have to gain by joining the united nations in their call, their demand for justice, an independent investigation (not one conducted by the Israeli military since they, argues our Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs PJ Crowley are the best to undertake such an investigation, because they are the most knowledgeable about the matter; how true and how absurd!) that can attest to the reliability of the Israeli accounts and assert whose rights were denied?

Why does Israel have such a difficult time existing without fear and victimhood in the MidEast? Perhaps the Zionist mindset that finds itself alienated from its brothers and sisters around the world because it has created a nation baptised in blood, stealth, theft, and deception must fear the unveiling of its lies and the eruption of the world's communities to the injustice it has inflicted on the hapless Palestinians and continues to inflict by cementing them behind massive walls of fear and depriving them of a modicum of compassion and brotherly love. Perhaps it is time for Israel to consider that to fester as a boil inside the MidEast, distrusted and isolated, bodes ill for their future and the future of their best friend, the United States, that has supported them blindly these past 63 years. Perhaps for the sake of that friendship they might consider justice for the Palestinians and peace for the world.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/1002/op11.htm
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 4:29 pm
there is a convesation on facebook, on a friends profile (israeli - helps palesitinians), the zionists are really after them, and are scared, while some may have reason, you should read how brain washed some of them are even with thier own supposed history i was going to send ya the link, I almost jumped into the converstiaon, but not up to,
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 5:10 pm
What a cute story: Lebanese showing "solidarity" with Hamas. Otherwise, skeptics like myself would say that they want to make another provocation, as long as this diplomatic war hurts Israel more than Islamists launching it.

But hey, if Lebanese are really caring about Palestinians in Gaza and want to break the blockade in Gaza, why wouldn't they start with themselves and let Palestinians out of the concentration camps, where they hold them to many decades? Let Palestinians have at least SOME human rights, like to be professionals, to own businesses, those nice things which befit humans?
 

Sam H. (366)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 5:29 pm
Yes, delivering cancer drugs to the children of Gaza is a declaration of war.

And remember one thing: when the Lebanese attempted to give Palestinian refugees their civil rights, the only ones to object were the Phalangist and the Lebanese Forces -- Israel allies who committed the Sabara and Shatila massacres under the watchful eyes of the Israelis.

And by the way, why are there Palestinian refugees in Lebanon?

So what's you point, Bob?
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 5:35 pm
Sam, nowadays Hezbollah rules Lebanon, and Phalangists are not a force anymore. There is no difference why Palestinian refugees are in Lebanon, and Jewish refugees are in Israel. The question is what will be done about it. Lebanses already forgave the Phalangists for Sabra and Shatila, why do you demand more from Israelis now?

What do you, Sam, say about Lebanese giving human rights to Palestinians in Lebanon, at least some of those rights? If Lebanses are so caring when it comes at Israeli expense, could they do something on their own?
 

Sam H. (366)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 6:11 pm
That was meant to expose the type of people that are allied with Israel. Murderous Lebanese who were allied with Israel murdered unarmed civilian Palestinians in the refugee camps under the watchful eyes of Sharon and Begin -- the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

Whether the Lebanese forgave the murderers is irrelevant. The murders took place. End of story. Did you all of a sudden find Jesus, Bob?

Now that you brought up Hezbollah, let me remind that there was no Hezbollah before Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982. Hezbollah was a direct result of Israel's invasion and it succeeded in expelling Israel from Lebanon.

Identify any Palestinian refugees that were kidnapped from Palestine and brought to Lebanon by the Lebanese. We certainly can identify a good number of Jewish refugees that were kidnapped from their home countries and brought to Israel by Israel.

The Lebanese gave the Palestinians what they could. And what they couldn't give them was because Israel's allies in Lebanon prevented that.

The Lebanese gave the Palestinians what no other country in the world gave them. They gave them the right of return to Palestine (where they were expelled from by Israel) and enchrined that into their own constitution.
 

Jelica R. (159)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 7:17 pm

If you've heard about relaxing Gaza blockade, check this:

Israel announces let-up to Gaza siege - but only in English, Barak Ravid, Haaretz, 17.06.10

The Israeli Prime Minister's Office announced Thursday that the security cabinet had agreed to relax Israel's blockade on Gaza, but as it turns out, no binding decision was ever made during the cabinet meeting, Haaretz reports. The Prime Minister's Office issued a press release in English following the meeting, sent to foreign diplomats, which was substantially different than the Hebrew announcement - according to the English text, a decision was made to ease the blockade, but in the Hebrew text there was no mention of any such decision.

---------------------------Aid to Gaza----------------------
Lebanon warns Israel against attacking ships, AP, Wed Jun 23, 8:34 am ET
Lebanon says it will hold Israel responsible for any attack against blockade-busting aid ships planning to sail to Gaza in coming days.
Two ships carrying aid are planning to make the trip to Gaza. Lebanese authorities have so far granted one of them permission to sail first to Cyprus and not directly to Gaza because Lebanon and Israel are technically at war.

Iran to send blockade-busting ship to Gaza, Amy Teibel, AP, June 22, 2010
Iran said it would send a blockade-busting ship carrying aid and pro-Palestinian activists to Gaza. Iran's state television reported that an Iranian ship called "Infants of Gaza" would sail Sunday for Gaza carrying 1,100 tons of relief supplies and 10 pro-Palestinian activists. Egypt said it would not prevent the Iranian ship from passing through the Suez Canal.

 

Bob Algeron (47)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 7:58 pm
Sam, "The Lebanese gave the Palestinians what no other country in the world gave them. They gave them the right of return to Palestine (where they were expelled from by Israel) and enchrined that into their own constitution."???

What you are calling "a right of return" of Palestinians born and grew up in Lebanon to come to live in Israel is not Lebanese to decide, even if they wrote it on all street walls, and not only in their constitution.

Palestinians were armed, because some of them killed Gemael, the leader of Lebanese Christians, and that was the reason for the revenge by the Falangists at Sabra and Shatila. But that's irrelevant to our discussion. If you end the story of Sabra and Shatila, with Elie Hobeika fully forgiven, don't bring it up against Israel too.

Israel was not kidnapping Jewish refugees from Arab countries, it was saving them. New Iraq recently adopted a law preventing Jews from getting compensations for the properties stolen from them by Iraqis.

The bottom line is, that in your opinion Palestinians in Lebanon should remain in the concentration camps, without rights, professions and businesses, until peace comes to the Middle East. They are good as a cannon fodder to fight against Israel, which is the main purpose of the Islamists. What Gazans will, or will not get from the new flotilla is irrelevant, the most important task is to keep Hamas afloat. Even though Hamas is bad for Palestinians, because it prevents them from reaching peace. Not even to mention, that Hamas refused to accept the goods from the first flotilla after they were inspected.

Why won't you have some pity on the Palestinians?
 

Connor Hocking (29)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 8:47 pm
Shalom and Salaam sound alike for a reason....Such a shame the speakers of both can't find a solution to this stupid hate
 

Sam H. (366)
Wednesday June 23, 2010, 8:48 pm
I assumed that you're going to read and comprehend what I write, Bob. I was mistaken.

1- Are you disputing the fact that Hezbollah didn't exist before Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982?

2- Are disputing the fact that Israel expelled the Palestinian refugees who now live in Lebanon?

3- Are you disputing the fact that Israel, the Phalangist and Lebanese Forces were literally partners in crime?

4- Are you disputing the fact that the Phalangists and Lebanese Forces -- Israel allies -- are behind depriving Palestinian refugees of their civil rights in Lebanon?

5- Are you disputing the fact that there is need for cancer fighting drugs to treat the children of Gaza?

6- Are you disputing the fact that Israel kidnapped the whole Falasha population from Ethiopia?

I don't see the point of having a discussion with you, Bob, if you're going to disregard facts and rely solely on your indoctrination to formulate your opinion.

For God's sake, even the head of Mossad reached the conclusion that Israel has become a burden on the United States. Or do you dispute that too, Bob?
 

Dave C. (867)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 12:30 am
Nuns Are Onboard Lebanese Gaza Aid Flotilla

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=W9bfM3HCfe4&playnext_from=TL&videos=tWQGfdxaIlE

So will the IDF shoot Catholic Nuns point blank in the face and say they are terrorists??
Lebanon said on Tuesday it would hold Israel responsible for any attack, in response to Israeli warnings that it would use "all necessary force" to stop aid boats planning to sail to blockaded Gaza.
"Israel will be held fully responsible for any attack on Lebanon," the foreign ministry said in a letter to the United Nations.
Lebanon "can not prohibit a ship from leaving its ports if its cargo, passengers and destination all comply with Lebanese law," it said in the letter.
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations warned the world body last week that the Jewish state was entitled to use "all necessary force" to stop the Lebanese activists' boats.
On Monday, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak also reiterated a warning that Lebanon would be responsible for any "violent and dangerous confrontation" with vessels sailing to Gaza from its shores.
In defiance of the Israeli warnings, Lebanese civilian groups are still planning to transport aid, including medical supplies, by sea to the Israeli-blockaded Palestinian territory via Cyprus.
Lebanon has no diplomatic ties with or sea routes to Israel.
One of two boats, the "Naji al-Ali," on Monday received Lebanon's green light to depart for Cyprus on the first leg of the trip to Gaza, which is run by the Islamist movement Hamas. It is currently docked in the northern port of Tripoli.
The vessel would need Cypriot authorisation to depart for Gaza from its shores, but officials in Cyprus said on Tuesday that the island was keeping in place a ban on ships departing for Gaza.
Organisers in Lebanon have said they may change course before reaching the island and head straight towards the Palestinian territory.
A second ship, the "Mariam", also plans to carry aid to Gaza in another attempt to break the four-year siege of Gaza with some 50 women activists on board, including 30 Lebanese.
Israel came under international censure over its May 31 seizure of a six-ship aid fleet bound for Gaza, in which nine Turkish activists were shot dead by Israeli naval commandos in clashes on the lead boat.
A Lebanese freighter which tried to deliver aid to Gaza last year was intercepted by Israeli warships.

Virgin Mary Ready to Sail to Gaza -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQIoo1...
 

Sam H. (366)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 9:24 am
Does anyone know why there are no attempts to send US-flagged ships into Gaza?
 

Mike K. (1)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 12:15 pm
agree with the aid ships or not...they're going to provoke Israel
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 1:20 pm
This is all a drama for the royalties in the Middle East and for the entertainment of the West. If only people would think of the future of mankind. There is so much of polution going on in the world, land, air and sea, yet, there seems to be no end in sight.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 2:44 pm


Sam, you were not mistaken – I read your post. You put many points, irrelevant to our topic, but if you so wish – I will go through them. Your points are just your opinions, not the facts.

“1- Are you disputing the fact that Hezbollah didn't exist before Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982? “
I agree.

2- Are disputing the fact that Israel expelled the Palestinian refugees who now live in Lebanon?
Partially agree: some Palestinian followed Arab propaganda to leave Israel so that the Arab armies could finish Jews without hitting Arabs by mistake.

3- Are you disputing the fact that Israel, the Phalangist and Lebanese Forces were literally partners in crime?
In which crime, Sam? The unknown Damour massacre were done by Palestinians:
The attackers destroyed the buildings in the seaside village systematically and then took revenge on the remaining Christian inhabitants. The Christian cemetery was destroyed, coffins dug up, the dead robbed, vaults opened, and bodies and skeletons thrown across the graveyard. The church was burnt and an outside wall was covered with a mural of Fatahguerrillas holding AK47 rifles. A portrait of Yasser Arafat was placed at one end. Other sources claim that the church was used as a repair garage for PLO vehicles, and also as a range for shooting-practice with targets painted on the eastern wall of the nave. PLO guerrillas locked in the women and children before lighting the church on fire.
Twenty Phalangist militiamen were executed and then civilians were lined up against a wall and sprayed with machine-gun fire. None of the remaining inhabitants survived.[9] Estimates of the civilian dead is 584[10] [11]. Among the killed were family members of Elie Hobeika, and his fiancé.[12]


4- Are you disputing the fact that the Phalangists and Lebanese Forces -- Israel allies -- are behind depriving Palestinian refugees of their civil rights in Lebanon?
No matter what happened in 1982, the civil war ended long time ago. Since them, warring parties learnt to live in peace with each other. Rights to Palestinians had to be given at that time. Nothing prevents Lebanese from granting human rights to Palestinians now.

5- Are you disputing the fact that there is need for cancer fighting drugs to treat the children of Gaza?
I Agree. Israel treat sick people from Gaza, even though they are at war.

6- Are you disputing the fact that Israel kidnapped the whole Falasha population from Ethiopia?
You must be kidding, Sam. Falasha Jews immigrated to their safety and keep immigrating even now. Many non-Jewish Ethiopians tried to immigrate into Israel too, and made loud protests, when they were rejected. How can you talk about kidnapping?


I don't see the point of having a discussion with you, Bob, if you're going to disregard facts and rely solely on your indoctrination to formulate your opinion.

For God's sake, even the head of Mossad reached the conclusion that Israel has become a burden on the United States. Or do you dispute that too, Bob?
Sam, I don’t work for Mossad and can safely disagree with its boss ;-), especially not knowing the context of this words. US diplomatic support means a lot to Israelis, but Israeli technology and experience mean a lot to US. As was said, Israel earned every penny given to them.
Now, back to the original discussion:

I said:
In your opinion Palestinians in Lebanon should remain in the concentration camps, without rights, professions and businesses, until peace comes to the Middle East. They are good as a cannon fodder to fight against Israel, which is the main purpose of the Islamists. What Gazans will, or will not get from the new flotilla is irrelevant, the most important task is to keep Hamas afloat. Even though Hamas is bad for Palestinians, because it prevents them from reaching peace. Not even to mention, that Hamas refused to accept the goods from the first flotilla after they were inspected.

Why won't you have some pity on the Palestinians?".

Do you have anything to respond?
 

linda b. (190)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 5:10 pm
I pray that the aid will get through to Gaza and her people, i also pray that my dear friend In Gaza is safe and well.I know i've not heard from him as the electricity will be off again and this is an awful way for the people in Gaza to live. This should not be hapening in these modern times these people should be living in freedom and in peace.
 

Abdessalam Diab (150)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:32 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Dave because you have done so within the last week
 

Abdessalam Diab (150)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:38 am
Bob Algeron
The Palestinian refugees have home,property,farms and land in Palestine that Zionists have stolen. They will return to their homes sooner or later. Criminals of war will be punished sooner or later. Rest assured. Read history to know that crusaders were forced to leave this part of the world after 100 years of occupation and so will do the Zionist.
 

Ofer G. (3)
Friday June 25, 2010, 4:24 pm
Hello Sam

Reading your post made me believe, and please excuse me if I’m wrong, that you have never been in Gaza or in Israel. What you know it is just what the communication would like you to.
Palestinians from Gaza are voluntarily gives their organs to Israelis, and Israelis do the same for the Palestinians… would you believe it?
When my son was in a surgery, in Tel-Aviv, his bed was outside the rooms, in hall since all the beds where occupied. Some of them by cute kids, unfortunately with cancer, Palestinians kids from Gaza. They were receiving there better treatment than what we got, as Israelis who pays medical insurance for that hospital (no complains at all by the way, there medical situation was truly justifying that).

I’m not very proud of any step my government is making. Still, you guys are feed with so much disinformation. Someone really made you believe that those sales to Gaza are for the care of Gaza’s people. Same government BTW who organized the sale of Marmara, is responsible to the killing, of 300 Kurds, some of them women and children in the last weeks. I haven’t heard anybody complains about that.
Personally, I’d love to live in peace together with the Palestinians. Still, that will happen only when they will recognize my right to live in my homeland (4th generation in Israel, and I have friends who are 10 generations here)

Peace.
 

Abdessalam Diab (150)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:45 am
Ofer,
Shalom
1 - I had been to Gaza several times.My first visit was in March 1963 and I watched the miser they are suffering from,specially in refugee camps.I have seen the IDF forces killing the Egyptian prisoners of war.I have seen Israeli bombers bombing houses in 1956 in cooperation with Britain and France.I have seen Sadat and Menachem Begin sign a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel that works till this moment.I have seen my country taking part in the Israeli blockage of Gaza.I have seen the Israeli aggression against Gaza during which 1400 were killed including women and children.I have Gaza schools bombed.I have seen the white phosphorus thrown on civilians from the Israeli American manufactured F16.I have seen operations rooms in Gaza hospitals unable to make emergency operation because electricity was off due to shortage of fuel needed for the electricity generators.I have seen scared children waking up panicking because of the nightmares . Have you seen any of this?
2 - Palestinians recognized the right of Israel to exisst since Oslo agreement since about two decades.I have seen President Clinton attending a special meeting of the Palestinian Legislative Council during which the council confirmed the right of Israel to exist.The Palestinians have minimized their demand for an independent state to be only on the territories occupied in June 1967.I have seen Israel planting hatred in the hearts of Palestinians by all its terrorist attacks on them. Don't tell me that they also sent rockets to hurt Israelis. Those home made rockets are just fire works compared to the almost daily killing of Palestinians.
3 - The continued policy of Israel to expand in the Palestinians land and build settlements ignoring their rights as owners of this land automatically affects their patience. Israel doesn't have brave leadership like Begin or Yitzhak Rabin who was assassinated because of making peace .Netanyahu and others,whom you the Israelis have elected,are not brave .They are doing for their own interests and they benefit from the current situation.They wanted and still want to start endless negotiations that leads to nothing despite of the Arab league peace initiative.They just want to have more time to change the demographic facts in order to expand more and more ... may be to the edge of the world.
The list is too long and only brave and wise Israeli leadership can put an end to the suffering of both Palestinians and regular Israelis.
 
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