Yes, that's where it came from. The unified timeline includes every scrap of info I can find (that doesn't conflict with canon, of course). Thank you for the praise
Again, all I can say is: WOW !
Where does the bit about Uhura marrying Stonn come from ? From Gods and Men ?
As promised, 2369 has been posted. 2370 (last year of TNG/year 2 of DS9) will hopefully make an appearance within a few days.
Starting next month, more regular updates on the timeline project.
Condolences for the loss of your Gabby, Dennis.
Good to see you back in action, though...
Back after a three month absence from the project. It didn't help matters much that in the meanwhile, my cat Gabby passed away.
We've crossed the halfway point on TNG and are beginning DS9.
Working my way through TNG this week, which means DS9 will be starting this week as well.
We've now reached the year 2364, the first season of ST:TNG.
Thank you Knowing that others are enjoying having all this stuff in one place too makes it all worthwhile.
I'm at a disadvantage, since I didn't collect the comic books, nor more than two of the Pocket Book books (except the James Blish short stories of the Original Series episodes - I have all of them). Will simply have to check with Number One son, Raven, to see what he has. I know he has some about Spock, and he's got one on the Q he says I must read.
Should I say it ? Your work is -
Out of this World !
Finally finished the 23rd century! I deserve a treat (and a break).
I'll start the 24th century in a new thread.
I decided to include the DC Comics Star Trek run for two reasons: First, completeness. Second, the storylines actually wrap around the movies nicely, with no overt loss of continuity.
Only 100 years to go, to get current!
Thanks! Even the great Bird of the Galaxy himself (Gene Roddenberry for those who don't know his nickname) was guilty of muddying the continuity waters.
Whereas I agree that episodes like "Spock's Brain" should never have been made, and that "Yesteryear" should be included, I don't agree that all of the movies should be considered 'outside of canon' (G.R.'s opinion).
Thank you for your hard work here. One of the things I have always liked about Star Trek was consistency. By bringing all this together it brings a realism to the fiction that is hard to find in other science fiction writing. But what you just said reminded me of something that Scotty said in one of the Star Trek movies... The Search for Spock... I think.
"The more they over take the pluming... the easier it is to stop up the drain."
I count my lucky stars that generally most writers stay within the functionality of the Trek universe devises. That helps keep the story believable and keeps me entertained.
I also noticed the books were rather inconsistent. Why not research and do the work if you want to win us over with your story? I'm guessing here... but perhaps the publishers and movie studios are just as guilty of pushing the writers into what they write... and re-write.
It seems some just wanted to create a story from a known characters... so it would sell quickly to an established audience and make a quick profit to market a known franchise.
I've voted with my pocket book not to buy them without good reviews because of there poor quality and going off on tangents of known back stories. But I also think Gene Roddenberry would have wanted us to be hopeful especially in these troubled times we live in. So I'll always support the hopeful future that Star Trek usually paints.
"Landing party to Enterprise..." ... ... "Beam us up."
Thanks! The problem has been with Star Trek since there was a Star Trek. Despite what the old guard would claim, TOS is by far the worst offender. Now, since the passing of Gene Roddenberry, any rules formerly observed by fiction writers -- as far as continuity is concerned -- have been thrown out the proverbial window. Pocket Books is the worst. They even allow writers to basically write previous Pocket Books ST novels out of continuity, violate previously-established canon, etc. That basically undercuts the authenticity of all Pocket Books, right? As an example, there are five different accounts of the final mission of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701. The most recent complication I've run across deals with Phase II, which strives to adhere to TOS hard canon, but ignores popular previously established soft canon (some thing I've lobbied for them to change). The latest episode, "Blood & Fire", features Yeoman Rand. Although it was never stated explicitly on screen, Janice Rand left the Enterprise before year three of the mission and her role was filled by another. She wouldn't return until the movie era. It was presumed this was due to her having evil-Kirk's love child, suffering her loss, and then retraining at Starfleet Academy to become a Transporter Operator. So, she shouldn't be aboard in 2270. If we moved the episode's timing into the true Phase II era (the abandoned series which occurs after TMP), then the costuming, which James Cawley is fastidious about) would be all wrong. If we moved the episode backwards to pre-2268, we'd have to move all the previous episodes back as well, which is a pretty daunting task, with a host of other continuity issues. It's fine as a stand-on-it's-own series, but things like this make it hard to incorporate STP2 into a unified timeline. Has anyone read the novel Sarek? It has Peter Kirk back at the Academy after the events of Undiscovered Country. Hopefully, there's a good explanation for that. I wouldn't want it to conflict with the whole Phase II thing too much
I've bookmarked Star Trek: Phase II - wow...
Dennis, your work is remarkable ! It's really too bad the writers either don't pay attention or disregard the Trek Timelines. It drives me crazy !
Finally got through the rather tortuous final two years of the five year mission. Like the rest of Trek, it'll doubtless keep expanding, but I only do revisions on the main file here at home
If you haven't you really should check out Star Trek: Phase II. It just keeps getting better and better. In fact, I think instead of watching the Super Bowl, I'm going to transfer all my STP2 eps to dvd and watch them on my big screen TV. Six hours of distraction right there!
Finally got around to updating the timeline through the third season of TOS. I also plugged in the most recent film info. I do wish that one could go into individual posts and edit them after the fact, to more easily correct for mistakes.
The main problem is that translating the Mendel timeline into the Okuda timeline means that 60% of the series and movie info for TOS happens earlier in the latter than it does in the former. About 20% of the stuff was just plain wrong. The other 20% from all the other sources happens as/when stated, so after a while of checking back and forth, my eyes start to bleed, my mind wanders, and you get mistakes. I've noted one thus far - one of which has to do with Guinan's people being assimilated by the Borg. That clearly does not happen in 2265!
So, I'll be deleting/editing/reposting that bit before going back to figuring out the placement of the missing 4th season of TOS (animated series, comics, novels, online fare such as ST: Phase II).
I'll be so happy when I reach 2300; smooth sailing after that!
Well, by my reckoning, the year this new Star Trek movie takes place is the spring of 2253.
It doesn't explain how secondary characters Chekov, Sulu, and Uhura are in the Academy, but at least it syncs up with the others (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scott) being present. To get the others in there requires compressing ten years worth of time into one year - or simply rewriting them as being ten years older. I hope they provide a good explanation for that!
I can buy Pike being temporarily assigned to Recruitment. It happens, though usually not during a five-year mission. I suspect that portion of the film would be in 2249, right before Kirk joins the academy, while Pike was between assignments.
Apparently, we now have a fifth so-called 'super baby'. I think this one was born in the U.S. This guy is muscular and can lift up the couch - and he's a toddler! Doctors are hopeful that whatever anomalous gene he has activated, could help with a myriad of muscular maladies.
I might have to adjust the timeline to reflect this new real life info. I wonder if any of these tykes are in India? Kahn, anyone?
Seriously, if there is one there, and the parents didn't name him Kahn Noonian Singh, they are really missing out!
The ST: ENT info plugged into the timeline takes into account both the series, novels (up to 2008) and what few hints there have been regarding what seasons 5+ would've included.
I for one would've liked to have seen the Kzinti in live action, and the Earth-Romulan War.
Yes! Another update coming this weekend. I'll probably take it up to the Enterprise series. Eventually, it'll go all the way to the very end of time itself, in the far future.
Q'est-ce que c'est le Timeline Project?
Really, no one is up to some discussion?
2010 is about when the fun really starts. It makes more sense to me that a space ship like the Aventeur would be built later than than this date, but the Star Trek writers painted me into a corner.
We can only guess that perhaps the world-wide depression of the era was actually caused by funding this project. Oh, we were told it was bad behavior on the part of Wall Street, etc. but the truth was that the rich wanted off this globally warming rock!
It's the only explanation that makes sense, in trying to reconcile the facts.
Fantastic, Dennis ! And thanks for the separate thread for discussion; I don't want to see your timeline interrupted, either !