DOJ: Islam IS a Religion

A new mosque under construction in Murfreesboro, Tennessee has faced arson, vandalism, protests, and a zoning regulatory attempt to end the project all together.  The final push?  Saying the mosque could not be built because Islam wasn’t a religion.

Well, now the Department of Justice has weighed in on the matter and has ruled that yes, it is a religion after all.

Via Talking Points Memo:

“To suggest that Islam is not a religion is quite simply ridiculous. Each branch of the federal government has independently recognized Islam as one of the major religions of the world,” [U.S. attorney for the middle district of Tennessee, Jerry E. Martin] said in the press release.

The brief painstakingly cites proof, from the Oxford English Dictionary, Supreme Court rulings, presidential proclamations by Clinton and George W. Bush and the writings of Thomas Jefferson, that Islam has long been recognized as a major world religion.

It also notes the definition of religion set forth by other federal courts, including that a belief system must address “fundamental and ultimate questions having to do with deep and imponderable matters” in order to be considered a religion.

In the brief, the DOJ argues that the lawsuit implicates two federal civil rights statutes, the Religious Land Use Act and the Church Arson Prevention Act, which fall under the DOJ’s purview. The county, the brief argues, would be in danger of violating the land use act were it to deny building permits for the mosque.

You would think that it wouldn’t be necessary for the Department of Justice to weigh in on the question of whether or not Islam is actually a religion, much less provide myriads of proof and legal documentation in order to back its case.  But sadly, that appears to be the state of Islamophobia in America today.

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368 comments

Annmari Lundin
Annmari L8 years ago

valda p. and monica r.: I agree with you!

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valda p.
valda p8 years ago

Organised religion is but a tool of politics,to divert attention and control the ignorant,and politics boils down to how to divide up resources.The roots of injustice and war and all that is attached is -greed.This is a quote on the facebook page of the editor of a small town British Columbia Canadian newspaper -it speaks volumes.

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Bora S.
Bora Salama8 years ago

Mara S. you asked Nov 6, 2010 9:45 PM
"Bora, What happened with the questions?"

Your last post was on Nov 1, 2010 8:59 AM and I responded on Nov 2, 2010 4:13 AM.

If you have more questions, do pose your most important one. Just one please, and I'll do my best to answer it.

God bless
salam eleikom

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Mara S.
Mara S8 years ago

Bora, What happened with the questions?

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Bora S.
Bora Salama8 years ago

monica r. Nov 2, 2010 7:44 PM

I’m sorry for repeating myself below, but you keep bringing me back to it. Please make note of my points if we’re to have a meaningful discussion.

1. I have not studied “Muslim countries” so maybe I shouldn’t answer questions about them. My answers are likely to be based on subjective accounts or media reports, neither of which is always reliable.

2 Anyway, what qualifies to be called a “Muslim country”? It can’t be the religion of its people. Take three countries with high proportions of Muslims, for example. Albania was for a long time considered a communist country, Iraq under Saddam was a Ba’athist country and Saudi Arabia is to this day a monarchy.

3 You can’t stand on a few street corners, observe the movement of cars and say you have the rules of good motoring. The rules of good motoring will be laid out in a book. Similarly, you might observe what “Muslim countries” are doing and think that’s an accurate representation of Islamic rules, and yet it might not be. It could be a communist diktat, a Ba’athist law or a royal decree. The rules or teachings of Islam are in the HQ

I am a student of Islam and am happy to discuss that subject

"Western Civ coming from Islam, I don't buy it" >>> one who selects which historical facts he'll accept will reinforce prejudices not grow in knowledge.

sorry can say more but running out of space

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monica r.
monica r8 years ago

Bora

If you don't think 50% Muslim or greater is a "Muslim country", then by all means study just the 100%, or 90 to 100%, or whatever percentage. In all honesty, if 80%, 90%, or even 100% Muslim population doesn't say "Muslim country" for you, then I don't know what to say to you, except that it's ludicrous not to consider them "Muslim".

"Mention of sharia often generates hysteria and this can cloud rational thinking."
This is because "strict enforcement of shari'a" in Muslim countries isn't about obscure financial laws. Nobody's terrified of that. But if a little kid takes something and his forearm is crushed ("kindly", not amputated, being only 6 or 7), or you happen to have been born gay and you get hanged or thrown off a high building to execute you, or you are a teen girl who doesn't want to marry a 40 year old so you get beaten to death so as not to dis-honor your family, REALLY a little hysteria might be warranted.

Since you admit you have no idea what occurs in countries that have strict shari'a, you will have to do some homework, or accept the verdict from those of us who already have.

In most of the world strict shari'a isn't just halal meat and fasting for Ramadan. It is an oppressive and cruel system.

As for science and Western Civ coming from Islam, I don't buy it. Currently, nothing but Islam is studied in Islamic schools, so the days of new innovations from Islam are long gone.

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Bora S.
Bora Salama8 years ago

pam w. Nov 1, 2010 4:45 PM

“I'm done with you. Please don't think (in ANY way) that you've "won" this discussion” >>> If we approach our dialogue as a discussion not a debate then there’s no winner or loser. I am a student of Islam and happy to discuss that subject. I have not studied “Muslim countries” and my contribution on that topic is likely to be based on subjective accounts or media reports neither of which are always reliable. Anyway, what counts as a Muslim country is itself debatable. Albania was for a long time considered a communist country, Iraq a Ba’athist one and Saudi Arabia is to this day a monarchy. Anyway, TY for your contribution and salam eleikom.

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Bora S.
Bora Salama8 years ago

monica r. Nov 1, 2010 3:45 PM
“about 70% of Muslims worldwide favor strict shari'a” >>> Mention of sharia often generates hysteria and this can cloud rational thinking. Islamic laws flesh out the basic requirements outlined in the HQ which one can regard as a constitution. These are aimed at ensuring that there is justice, fair play and stability in society. For example, it is argued by many that if the financial and banking institutions had been governed by Sharia Law we would have been spared the near collapse of the western economies.

Sharia laws have been incorporated into western laws for centuries. History tells us that parts of Sharia Law like the "Hawala" later influenced the development of the Aval in French civil law and the Avallo in Italian law. The limited partnerships (Islamic Qirad) used in civil law as well as the civil law conception of res judicata may also have origins in Islamic law. Islamic law also made "major contributions" to international admiralty law, departing from the previous Roman and Byzantine maritime laws in several ways.

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Bora S.
Bora Salama8 years ago

Mara S. Nov 1, 2010 8:59 AM
“You talk in riddles” >>> sorry Questioning is easy, so I get too many questions thrown at me. Also 100 questions can be squeezed in 100 lines of text. Answering a single question in meaningfully takes more effort, more time and more lines of text. In trying to answer all questions in the little space available I might end up talking in riddles.

I therefore think it’s best if each person asks only one question at a time, their most important one.

So this time I’ll only address your question whether “ islam does what's good for the humanity...etc. And who's the judge on that?” >>> We can be the judge. Islam has already contributed what is good for humanity. In his book The Making of Humanity, first published 1919, on pages 190-191 Robert Briffault tells us that it is highly probable that if it wasn’t for the people who were inspired by the HQ “modern European civilization would NEVER have arisen at all. ...there is NOT A SINGLE ASPECT of European growth in which decisive influence of Islamic culture is not traceable....What we call SCIENCE AROSE in Europe AS A RESULT of a NEW spirit of enquiry, of NEW methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in A FORM UNKNOWN TO THE GREEKS. That spirit and those methods WERE INTRODUCED INTO THE EUROPEAN WORLD by the Arabs”

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monica r.
monica r8 years ago

Bora S

And here is a video (short this time) of a feminist FROM a muslim majority country. Source is memri tv.

She seems to tell a quite different tale from the videos you provided in non-muslim countries, which obviously would account for the vastly different points of view. When you live in a westernized country like Spain or the United States, you are benefitting from Western freedoms. Under shari'a in a Muslim-majority country, it is not at all the same.

I can't believe you've commented on Islam and it's impact on people, but never studied Muslim countries. So this is an insight for you into Muslim countries, please watch the video.

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