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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Orego, Portland, energy, water, peace, progressives, Ellison, socialism, capitalism, Democrats, Republicans, big government )

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JL's first post to TomCats' blog - I am posting at 3:06 Mountain because her attempt to post has vanished and she had to be out of town.


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Joanne Dixon (37)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 2:19 pm
Verrrry innnnterrrestimg!

* A note to Lona on Portland - flushing a toilet does draw water out of a home, but at the same time it brings replacement water in, just like turning a tap does. Even a low-flow one brings in more water than turning a tap for a glass of water, so it's not outrageous to cite flushing as a power producer (and the author may have intended to be a little misleading LOL).

* I do love Keith Ellison. A man of peace. A real Progressive (Shhhh - don't tell anyone he's a Muslim!)

* Democrats always have favored Socialism over Capitalism, but they were never able to say so, because, thanks to disinformation, they had no idea what the words meant. Thanks to some information campaigning, more are starting to understand those definitions. I suspect the real total is higher - and would be higher among Republicans if they were not so truth-resistant.

* Actually, not with these statistics but similar ones, this is something I learned at my mother's knee. The way she explained it was that Democrats were better for business, not (in the fifties) meaning corporate behemoths such as we have now, but actual businesses providing actual goods and services for actual people. And also providing actual full-time sustainable employment to actual people. Because, no customers, no business. Additionally, when full employment exists, it's probably less necessary to pay people for things like holding Benghazi hearings just to keep them off the streets. The government sector (Federal, state, and local) is extremely important in achieving a healthy economy. But it's also important that public employees get paid to do appropriate government things, not to drug test SNAP applicants or harass abortion clinics or black citizens. Democrats can do more with fewer people by avoiding BS.

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 3:21 pm
Congratulations on your first blog, JL! It looks great and the "tidbits" are indeed inviting me to comment, so here you are:

Portland's turbines in water pipes: The idea of using turbines to turn the power of water flowing downhill into electricity is not new – it is the way Norway is able to generate electricity almost completely without burning fossil fuels – but the idea of using the water flow in water pipes is new and very smart indeed. But from the headline part "by flushing toilets" I first got the idea that they were putting the turbines in their sewage system LOL. What they mean is "by turning on a tap", because the article mentions drinking water, but hey, it may be the next step. I'm really impressed by the cost-effective way they are doing this, installing sensors to detect water pressure and water quality changes at the same time. Kudos to Portland.

The legality of the drone-killing program: Wow, this is really hot stuff: "These revelations are further damning evidence that the Obama administration is continuing the Bush-era project of treating the world as a global battlefield while evading public accountability," The drone report is especially damning for Obama because it shows exactly how "the kill chain"works and who is responsible for these executions without trial, so I find it amazing and hopeful that the Congressional progressive caucus is willing to tackle this hot issue. I doubt that the GOP will join them, even if it could harm Obama, because Bush is also implied and their weapon-manufacturing masters have other ideas, and so the GOP will keep quiet just as they did on TTP. But it may have far stretching consequences for Democratic presidential candidates: what stance will Hillary and Bernie take on this?

Poll: No surprise by the difference between Republicans and Democrats, but the result is somewhat surprising for the Democrats itself as "socialism"is still a dirty word in America and I think what the responders had in mind here was the democratic socialism of Bernie Sanders and countries in Scandinavia.

The true story: Republicans have never let themselves be influenced by reality or numbers and only go for feelings blown out of all proportion , feelings that can be manipulated by fear mongering and populism. The figures are clear: even when the military are not taken into account, Democratic administrations shrank the federal government; while Republican administrations grew it.But Republicans will only play on the perceived role of government in society, which they exaggerate when they do not agree with it. The GOP has nothing to fear, only Democrats will read the numbers and draw their conclusions, but they were Democrats to begin with. Republicans will only go for the instilled feeling that the government is too big and will take things away from them.

Thanks again JL for this excellent food for thought.

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 3:37 pm
Hate Drones Thanks JLA

Donna T (0)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 3:49 pm
thank you

Animae C (508)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 7:02 pm
Thanx Joanne

Vivian B (169)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 8:19 pm
Thanks for the links, yall! Gotta take care of sick kittens.
Cheers to all!

Edith B (146)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 8:49 pm
Congratulations on your first foray into new territory, you did an excellent job.

Portland: what an interesting concept, that is actually working. Maybe more cities will follow their example.

Common Dreams: Good for Keith Ellison. Too much of what our government does that is either illegal or immoral is ignored by Congress as well as a large part of the American people. These drone killings are just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Alternet: Bernie is educating a lot of people with his common sense, glad to see progressives are following his reasoning.

Daily KOs:: Sharing this report on Facebook. Thanks.

I hope your Mom is doing ok, keeping her in my prayers.

Laurie H (818)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 8:55 pm
Thanks JL & Joanne for Great Posting!!!!~Prayers being kept for your dear mom~~

Edwin M (346)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 2:44 am
Thank you Joanne

Ted W (127)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 3:50 am
Eeep I really dislike those drones, makes me think of "auto-killing"! Congrats JL.A on your first blog, JL.A!! Thanks for the post Joanne and JL.A!

David C (75)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 5:12 am

Gene J (289)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 5:53 am
"An assessment of 1) federal employment figures from 1962 to 2014 (excluding the military) and 2) year-upon-year increase in federal spending shows that 5 of the last 7 Democratic administrations shrank the federal government; while 5 of the last 7 Republican administrations grew it."

This isn't actually a surprise to me. An old poli sci major, I've known this for years. It never fails to amuse though because even though the gop knows it is true, they spend all their time and money, including the right wing media in loudly proclaiming the opposite. I can see Rush drooling on himself now from the sheer effrontery of some daring publish a truth he does not like.

Roberto MARINI (88)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 6:49 am
thanks for sharing

Pat B (354)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 7:05 am
I hate drones. Whether here, or overseas.

Gosh, you did an awesome job on your first post here!

Kudos to you, and prayers for you and your mom too.

Take care. Thanks, and for Joanne posting too.

Enrico H (7)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 10:19 am

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 1:53 pm
More Democrats Now Favor Socialism Than Capitalism....maybe that poll should be sent to Corporate media. Still pushing the Corporate types.....but when has mainstream media been listening to the majority of people on Main St.

Keep getting your information from the internet, Independent print, and some great radio is now out there. The Ring of Fire and Clearing the Fog is just two examples but there are others.

Good job on your "first"......sending hugs across the spider web to you and for your Mother as well.

Janet B (0)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 3:38 pm

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 3:43 pm
Thank you.

cynthia l (207)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 7:38 pm
thanks for sharing
prayers for your Mom

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 8:23 pm
Noted. Thanks Joanne.Great presentation. Hey California and even my NH--all drought-stricken areas---Clivus Toilets do not use water. We all need to research not only the new alternatives, but the 1800's methods of survival skill, and wilderness survival. But, I understand that the filthy rich 1% that contributed to destroying Earth, thus contributing to much of our current climate issues, are going to continue to drain, flush, spew toxins and just plain suck and suck and suck. It's only the innocent poor that do without in order to attempt to expand our time left breathing the fresh exhaust and poisons the 1% give as their gift to society. Revolution or a continuation to the end.

Judy C (91)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 10:27 pm
Thanks for the posting Joanne, and thanks to JL for a very nice first presentation. I like the way so many people work together for the Care2 community. Sometimes we seem like a little refuge of sanity in this crazy world.

Portland has a good idea there, every little bit of problem-solving helps.

As Joanne says, Socialism has been defined and clarified for the general public, so now more people are willing to endorse it.

Scahill et. al. have done a remarkable job on the drone expose. I loved seeing it, because drones have been on my pet peeve list since the deplorable program of assassinations was started.

Lastly, the Republicans are never above telling a big fat lie, so why not pretend they hate Big Government, and want to shrink it?

Love and light to your Mom and your family, JL., my friend.

Barbara K (62)
Saturday October 31, 2015, 12:02 pm
I just realized that I haven't been receiving notifications, sorry to be late, just thought no one was sending anything all week. lol.

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Sunday January 31, 2016, 9:11 am
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