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Robert
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I was surprised to @ 3:32 into it, right after the native American finishes speaking. find myself, in a Cameo appearance.



   

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Sheryl G (359)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 7:57 am
Yup, looks just like your photo. So proud of you and glad you are able to be there. I feel even more connected knowing you are there when I can't be, for I too am one of the 99%. I'm off to Occupy Daytona Beach in a few minutes.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 8:41 am

Good video . . . and nice seeing your face there, Robert!

(Thanks for passing this on to me, Margaret.)

 

patricia lasek (317)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 8:48 am
You rock! We're all very proud of you. Wish I could be there.
 

William K (308)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 9:28 am
Congratulations, Robert, you are now officially in the historical record for this momentous point in our history.
 

Richard Smith (81)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 9:45 am
the business man made an honest confession:
"Wall street is the SPEARPOINT of Capitalism"
how do YOU like being speared?

He just forgot to mention that CAPITALISM is the driving force behind CONQUEST
and CONQUEST cannot stop...once the wheel is turning - its GROWTH at ANY COST
yes and if it means walking over you or eliminating you....it will do so...
Those of us descendants of Indigenous nations know all about it

Its why we americans are so lovingly referred to as 'CONSUMERS"
When we STOP CONSUMPTION
go on "a tight spending diet" , capitalism withers away
it NEEDS YOU....well , you spending lots of dollars.
 

Jae A (316)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 10:08 am
Awesome experience no doubt and what a group to be included in...wow. History in the making type moments with you on board ! Way way cool dude !

...You cannot currently send a star to Richard Zane because you have done so within the last week...
 

H Nick H (1826)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 11:34 am
I hope that being a movie star doens't make you un-approachable. LOL. Only kidding. Glad to see you and Mark M in the same video. Did you meet him?
 

Mike S (86)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 11:39 am
Great post! Noted and shared. Thank you Robert.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 11:57 am
Robert the Great....I shall call you from now on. Because you are.
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 12:05 pm
Congratulations, Robert. I was at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the Battle in Seatlle. Glad to know a younger Care 2 member is at this one.
 

Cam V (417)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 4:24 pm
Robert is there? No wonder he has not been 'talking' to me lately. When the snow starts to fly I hope he lets me know. I will send him a case of hand warmers from here - he can pass them out because we get them really cheap. Look, I probably disagree with everyone here politically but I do admire someone who stands by what they believe which is what you all do. Kudos Robert!
 

Robert S (111)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 8:03 pm
Re, My thanks to the maker of vid for not leaving me on the cutting room floor...

n9productions has sent you a message:


thanks MrUberviewer/(me)...i just try to reflect what i see. It was your passion and commitment that gave me something to reflect.
THANK YOU!!

I'm glowing now...

I have vid I took of tonights big get together at Times Square @ MrUberviewer. Will make folder for this date there @ the channel.
Thanks everyone. The people united...
 

Susanne R (236)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 10:34 pm
And you deserve to glow, Robert! You've not only contributed to a very important occupation, you've allowed many of us to be there in spirit by providing us with video footage, commentary, and now your documented presence! Thank you! But I'm still not sure I wasn't seeing Brad Pitt at the specified time in the video...
 

TomCat S (124)
Saturday October 15, 2011, 10:56 pm
Been there, saw that!! He's a star!!! ;-)
 

P A (117)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 12:34 am
Excellent video - how wonderful to see Robert S!
 

Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 1:18 am
What I disagree with is there is no endgame. When the snow starts to fly in NY and they are freezing their arses off they will go home. Gets cold there I heard. Not exactly some place you camp out in the winter. Here in Vancouver they had their demonstration and went home. No trouble. All clean and it was a good day for it.

You have to have an endgame in order to get your message across. What the hell is the message btw? I have heard everything from global warming to the banks and why are they not protesting at the White House? If people should have been arrested for the crap that went down it was up to the powers that be to make sure someone was held accountable for it. Why has Obama not done a thing about this?
 

Marco C (31)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 4:33 am
Cam I think there are a miriad of issues none of which are being addressed to the satisfaction of the public. My guess is that we are seeing an expression of frustration with folks saying with so many outstanding issues, why are we not seeing progress on any level. Its as though they are inviting our political and legislative community to wake up and get on the ball.

If those in leadership do not respond, and rather quickly, the OWS movement will evolve to the next level, which may involve specific topics to be addressed, but I agree cohesion and focus are needed to channel the energy into a productive and useful endeavor.

It would be very useful to identify potential leaders, with issues to champion and see a victory though one step at a time.
 

Carol H (229)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 5:59 am
great video, way to go Robert!!! proud of you!!
 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 7:11 am
Thank you Robert for being a voice of and for all of us in the far flung hinterlands of the country. It's excellent to see a face in the crowd you recognize and respect speaking out for truth and justice.

Note: the arrogance and narrow minded vision of the Wall St. "Job Creators" was quite notable in their perspective of self-worth. The alterative they're unable to recognize as the alternative to Wall St. of course is co-ops over Corporations, people over greed, unity over division, peace over war, truth over lies. The paradigm is changing in front of their eyes and yet they can’t see it. To be more accurate, they refuse to look it in the eye. Because they do recognize and know the switch will render them obsolete, as the playing field levels and is more equitable. Their assured obsolescence accelerates as the creation of things for the benefit of all exceeds in value the current plundering of everything for individual profit. Capitalism is just another well known dismally failed experiment of giving to the few at the cost of the many. Been there done that repeatedly and it always fails because greed always stips any benefits. Got that Monkey?
Monkey, FU Wall St.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 7:28 am
Yup, great to see you Robert in action. An excellent video.
Great to see Mike Myers there too.

As for the first two Wall Street men, the one probably drives a Lamborghini, and the second who called a protestor a 'monkey', twice, acts like your typical smug, big man who thinks he controls things and other people. LOL

Cam, no 'endgame' necessarily needed to be finalized at this point yet is there? People getting out and being VISIBLE, also communicating whatever they wish, there's nothing wrong with that. It also makes things more REAL to people when you can see them and talk to them and exchange ideas, more so than just words on a screen for example.

I wouldn't worry about when the snow flies in N.Y. All people understand things go differently when cold is a factor in an activity.

 

Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:38 am
In watching videos of this here protest I noted quite a few of those protestors have cell phones and some even have computers with them. Where do they think they came from? Just dropped from the sky I suppose?
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:43 am
What we are NOT doing is brandishing guns, while suggesting threateningly, 2nd amendment remedies, with misspelled signs...so Cam is naturally disoriented and wonders what the heck is going on. Well said Kenneth, as usual..., We speak with many voices on many issues confronting our world. The message for me is paradigm shift on many levels, and a journey begins with the first step. This is just beginning...and as obstacles arise solutions will be found and our voices will be heard.

Check out video's from last night in the "10/15/11 March on Times Square " folder @
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrUberviewer?feature=mhee#p/c/F3CD992739046A96 on the right are videos in chronological order.
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:49 am
Cam...

Do you suggest that those with phones and or laptops should not protest...or that by owning these things they somehow should be satisfied by having them, with all else that goes on in this country or in this world? Communication is key communicating a message to the masses, as you have repeatedly pointed out when attempting to make YOUR case, on YOUR issues Cam... we cannot depend the the MSM.
 

Richard Smith (81)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 10:52 am
Not having an end game doesn't bother me,
I'm actually HOPING this is more of a rising tide, or a sunrise ,not a plot of conquest!
whats the suns end game? whats the tides end game?

"End Game" thinking in itself is still that strategic "conquest" approach bent on "winning"
which has been the problem with the dems and repubs anyway.

What if light comes so everyone wins?
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 11:06 am

I totally agree, Richard.

Before you can incite people to activate change, it's important to illustrate the reasons change is imperative; and to show that many others feel the same way.

The fact that this movement is occurring nationwide (and now, even worldwide) -- but it is receiving very little MSM coverage -- indicates that the powers-that-be do NOT want average citizens to be aware of the widespread discontentment.

 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 11:27 am
One message I hear very clearly. Level the playing field. Get big money out of elections and lobbyists out from under the desks of our elected/appointed officials who are supposed to represent the interests of the people/our constitution, but who are now largely not doing so, because of the massage/bribes/favors/ future employment promises... they are continually receiving.
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 12:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrUberviewer?feature=mhee#p/c/F3CD992739046A96

To all those who have expressed thanks and Kudos I just want to say that I bring you with me always down to Liberty Park and on Marches. We (many of you friends of mine, and others), have for so long waited, hoped, longed for, and prayed in our ways, for this time to come. For the people to awake and to stand up! AND IT HAS HAPPENED!!!

How could I not attend and take part when the center of it is on my Island? I want you to know that when asked why I'm there, my answer is that part of my intent is to represent and inform a huge network of people from all over the world, under the heading CARE2, who work in various ways to forward good and important causes, and who though they can't be here, cheer full throated, their support for this effort.

I'm a bit past my prime my friends, and will hit a beaten up 57 this month, and though I'm strong of spirit, I must keep and do and my job with the "elders" which/who I love, five days a week which takes allot out of me. Much of what I have left, I give to this now for as long as I'm able. We all have our problems and I hurt a bit... but our bond, your kinship and encouragement has been much needed and welcomed inspiration/ fuel, which has helped me smile on through, and enjoy the effort. So let me just say, I too am grateful and send hugs. Thank you.

Yours in hope and solidarity, Robert S
 

Susan L (150)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 12:58 pm
Great comments - and so nice to see one of our own, Robert, in the middle of the movement that will be recorded in history as: The movement that started the 'Change' in America and brought our country back to "The People". Yay, Robert!
Right on, Richard, Carole, and Margaret as well.
 

Abo r (107)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 1:54 pm
Wonderful historical video, occasion and it is historical post expresses the feelings of public ....
Robert cngratulation.
Thank you Margaret for forwarding this wonderful historical post.
Will as a question if Robert and Magret allow so Is it the begining of public spring in the worldwide supporting human rights and equality???
Equality for all with peace and safety.
 

Barbara W (342)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 2:11 pm
So Many varied comments here so where to begin! First: ROBERT! You're not a monkey but the man who called you one was an Ass! Thank you for taking the leap of faith and for doing your part! If only one person shows up to protest an injustice and hangs on, soon it will grow. Cam what it is it you don't get? Occupiers know why they're protesting and the fact that they have computers and modern equipment does not equate with the reasons behind protesting. Richard Z "Right On":

As some have commented here there are a myriad of issues that must be addressed! The country let a great deal get away from US because of complacency and other pressing family committments... This movement is growing it's numbers but the possible leadership talent must go carefully or wind up in the hands of the enemy. The Tea Party began something that had merit but then allowed Dick Armey, the insurance companies best friend, The Koch's of Chevron fame, and other leeches, to take over the movements reigns and that began to create an even bigger mess for America.

Hello? Anyone watching the debates and actions coming from Washington these last years??? I know some of US have and many times had to hold our breath or scream to the rafters "What" is going on?????

Every worth while protests begins with one soul daring to speak truth to power. If everyone thought of themselves as that one voice, look out! Dan and I are not in our home state of Nevada at the moment but in New Mexico. We saw where no one was going to occupy Espanola so we decided to take a stand for this mostly Latino & Native American, if you consider the size of this County, community. This is my commentary on what turned into an unbelievable day when three of DTDN folks decided to Occupy Espanola.


"We had thumbs up, peace signs, power to the people fist and horns a blowing. Some folks came around the corner several times to honk. Several folks came by to hang out a while and a gal from local paper came over to take some photos and write down why we were there. Another gal came by who had driven all the way from New York and was taking photos clear across the nation where ever she saw Occupiers. She was so young and so excited it was contagious. She took photos as well.. She had doubts, as well, wondering if we could stay this assault on the nation she clearly loved.

Another gal, who saw the invite we left at our small post office 25 miles away, drove 25 miles to join in. She was a Woodstock lady, who made the Washington KING protest.. and really fun to speak with. Another couple came by, the husband a union man, they held signs for a while then went to a union meet in Santa Fe.. Several truckers who worked for large WELLKNOWN corporations didn't honk but if you were paying attention they gave a big smile and a thumbs up. Some came around the block several times. And their smiles were contagious.

Now the fun part, Dan, Gene, & yours truly were the only ones who stayed till the sun began to go down, got a sun burn, ate sandwiches chased a sun unbrella in to the busy streets and held down the fort. We waved at the many cars passing by. It was a positive day. Ran into out post mistress who's fighting to keep our local PO off the "ISSA" chopping block. Police cars were around but they were cool.. We had our 64 Pontiac Bonneville decked out with posters & signs. Several highway patrol smiled as they passed. One gave Gene a thumbs up.. Espanola had no one plan to include Espanola in the important Occupy day so we thought it would be fitting to do so. And glad we did! It has stirred others within to get involved in more open protests. We gave out Dare To Dream Cards and we're receiving calls from folks asking Questions.

After the protests "WE" went over to B of A, accross from where we set up shop, and took some photos which we'll share. There were workers on the B of A roof fixing it and when we drove into the B of A lot they smiled and one young Latino as he passed us said loudly, OK!

I know why I'm doing what I do Cam! Robert knows why he's doing what he does! Dandelion, Margaret, Carole, and so many other brave hearts understand why they do what they do. The kids that began this Occupy idea know why they were inspired to get out on the streets. And many of us clearly understand that while the Tea Party began on a up note, because of the prejudice, me, me, attitude, it soon became clear this movement did not care about the 99%. You think American's don't know self-serving when they see it Cam?

The Tea Party's organizers sold out Licitly split and soon this movement snuggled up cozier then thou with the agenda's of the insatiably Gr$$dy 1% . So as far as the 99% were concerned the Tea Party began to sing off key so many enlightened American's said no, to a sour note!

Don't underestimate what this Occupy movement is going to accomplish. Most of the protesters come from of all walks of life and realize they have nothing to lose; Unless they do nothing! Viva The Occupiers! We will be meeting with some new faces soon. Yes! These are exciting times. Will share some photos soon..
 

Barbara W (342)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 2:36 pm
Who would "Dare" say this Occupier didn't know why he showed up? http://www.care2.com/news/member/101960828/2984522..

Gene who we have looked after for 22 years is pushing 80. He was exposed to a White Sands nuclear test. Woke up 3 days later in the hospital. Shipped out to Korea. Enlisted for a second go, had fallout problems from White Sands so when he left the army he became one of the lost souls. For 29 years he was unable to get much needed benefits. By the time we met Gene he was a shadow of a man. It took two years to get Gene benefits he was entitled too.

The Red cross and a great guy, Steve Rose from Reno, was a God send. Gene may have his problems but he knows why he supports the Occupy movement. So does the "Brave Heart at this link.. http://www.care2.com/news/member/101960828/2984522
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 3:00 pm

For those in the primary spotlight on Wall Street and the many other cities and towns being occupied one can only say - THIS is democracy in action. Finally, voices heard. Right on Robert, proud to know you.

Cam, did ya ever actually read all the diaries of Che? Learn about what ANY form of revolution is really about. Many Americans are being pushed - no slammed to wall. Should they remain silent and just take it or take this peaceful action? Think of no job, no home and little food, while the 1% who produced nothing yet earn hundreds of millions continue on. It's time for an end to rhetoric and begin to rebuild America.
 

Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 4:35 pm
They are protesting the very system that gave them those toys. That is what I am saying. I have also never said they do not have the right to be there. But what is the endgame? This is exactly the same thing the Tea Party was doing yet almost every one of you in this here thread jumped all over them but they understand change begins bottom up.

The only way to get corporate control OUT of our political arenas is to take back control of our repsect political parties. Even the unions have an agends and I am a long time union man who was p/o that my union started spending more money in the political arena than it did the people arena. They were there to represent me the common man - not give my hard earned money to the politician that would give them union friendly laws, pensions etc. that are now unsustainable.

I would much rather have misspelled signs made by honest citizens than those handed out to people bought and paid for by whom exactly Robert? At least I make points instead of talking rhetoric and I did give you kudos for standing up because you deserved them indeed.

But if you do not see this as a way to divide instead of unite then I am truly at a loss at what it is going to take to wake you up to the fact that both entities of protest are the same points made on different days and different ways. Again, they should move this protest to the White House if they are really upset no one was charged with that financial breakdown but considering it would fall into the laps of Barney Frank and Chris Dodds I guess it will have to wait eh?

What about those ads asking for paid protestors? There is a copy of it at FSM if you want to look for it. Some were smart enough to get it before it was taken down so it is fact. What about the fact it is a Soros based entity that offered that money? He is one of the biggest corporate whores there is. What about the fact they are literally having their food catered to them? Who is doing that and who is paying for that?

I marched in the 60's for civil rights. I marched against the Vietnam war. I was part of real protests done by real people who won. We did it in peace. We made our points and went home to start another day and it ended up bringing more and more people to join us. The same thing the Tea Party did and the negative things that are presented about this group have only made it grow larger. This Wall Street debacle swells on the weekends and disinigrates so how serious is it? Nothing more than a nusiance that will not gain public support.

There has to be an endgame to this or it is going to turn very, very ugly. So much for hope and no change in sight.
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 6:17 pm
I am repulsed by approval from you Cam. You have always come as you do now with extended hand and one behind your back holding the dagger with FSM emblazoned on the handle. No one here wants to go to your stupid groups site, to see the right wing talking points or so called evidence knocking this movement.
You are as always an ignorant evil little simpleton Cam who knows nothing of who and what this movement consists, because you really don't want to know. Your fifth column mealy mouth efforts to interject your poison here are all always, despised by me, but are when all is said and done... irrelevant. It is images and the participation of people like these that will make this movement grow as they put the lie to your spewings.



 

Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 8:59 pm
Rhetoric. Take your alinsky and put it where the sun don't shine Robert. I am not here to play word games with the likes of you. You seem to have a flame of hatred in your heart for good people just because they do not think the same way you do. Well guess what pal, that is what real life is all about.

Margaret, here in Vancouver there was between 2 to five thousand that showed up marching on the weekend. Again with signs that were mass produced and handed out in some cases but there were the homemade ones so I was glad to see that. About one hundred are currently camped out. They held a meeting on 'how to hold a meeting' so it appears there is an organizer there of some kind and I want to know where this 'organizer' has popped up from. Was it someone who is just there to protest or someone who was inserted into that group? I am on it here at my end. For now the police are leaving them alone but Vancouver has already been through one useless go round with rable rousers and I am afraid the police and the city will not tolerate them for long.

Part of the marchers were union members and though their power has shrunk since we tossed the New Democratic Party from power up here for almost bankrupting us they don't like our liberal government here either - whom I support. The NDP made too many gifts to the unions that were unsustainable and it is the same problem that America is now suffering from. I was a white collar worker and when I retired I was getting a pension that cleared 3,000 bucks a month after taxes. When the market fell it fell by a thousand and I am about to take another loss because of the market.

I never felt entitled and always felt that pension was extreme. I am not complaining - I expected that sooner or later the gimmes that we got as union members back in the seventies were way too big to be sustained. What really killed it was guys who started retiring at 50 and collecting that pension and then taking work elsewhere. While it was their right it was never the goal of our pension system. Abuse of the worst kind and it screwed those of us who remained faithful to the union because they allowed it to happen.

Am I sour on unions? You bet I am but I also know there is a place for them and it is NOT in the political arena if they are to continue to effectively represent the working person. Nothing wrong with a fair days wage for a fair days work and somehow that mantra got lost along the way.

Now to the demonstrators. I cannot be sympathetic to those I see who are covered from head to toe in tatoos. Not because I happen to think they are ugly but because I happen to know how dang expensive they are so it demonstrates to me that some of those kids (and most of them who are hanging around are kids) have money somewhere. There are reports of folks having sex in the open. Selling drugs in the open and even in when I protested back when the earth was still cooling that went on but you sure never saw it in the open. It demonstrates the absolute idiocity of what is taking place.

They are protesting the wrong people. Period. They should be at the White House and at the Congress and at the Senate - at the Parliament buildings and city halls in our respective governments because that is where the change must take place.
 

Barbara W (342)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:06 pm
"Veni, Vidi, Vici" And so "We" will!

 

Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:09 pm
I do not believe they will turn their attentions to the lawmakers Barbara because this is all being done to try and support a failed presidency. It is no coincidence that these protests are taking place now.

IF they turn to the lawmakers then I have to ask why all the outrage was directed at the Teaparty? They went there from start to finish because they knew that is who was responsible for this whole mess.
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 9:17 pm
absolute idiocity

My, how you do fit in with your chosen group.



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Cam V (417)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 10:23 pm
Rally? Did you see that moron throw powder at Geraldo today Robert? Caught on Camera it was and to the credit of those around him they threw him out. Geraldo is a Liberal so you would think if they had a message to tell they would take advantage of the coverage. Instead they were abusive and beligerant. Way to may a point.
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday October 16, 2011, 10:55 pm
to the credit of those around him they threw him out.

yup. That says it all.
 

P A (117)
Monday October 17, 2011, 1:52 am
Wanted to send Barbara W a green star but couldn't as have sent her one in the last week.
 

Cam V (417)
Monday October 17, 2011, 1:59 am
After 911, throwing whilte poweder at anyone is inexcusable. We had some sent to our house here in British Columbia and I have to tell you Margaret it is one thing to disagree with someone but another thing to threaten people because you do not agree. Even IF it is false.

I don't like Geraldo myself becaue I think he is a slime ball but he went there to find out what their beefs were. The least they should have done if they are a legit protest is speak to him.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Monday October 17, 2011, 4:48 am
It's just like a Conservative to begrudge liberals of their cell phones, computers and even their tattoos while they lay back and have one child after the other putting a footprint on this world it cannot recover from.. But that's OK because if they call their self conservative they think they can magically make everyone else think they really are when the truth is their just as needful of the things we are fighting for...their just to brain washed by the Corporate elite of this country to know it. They cannot think for them self, I think it's sad.
 

Robert S (111)
Monday October 17, 2011, 7:10 am
He was too eager for fame after a good and righteous start, which cost him his integrity, where as your just a right wing ideologue who never had any, and who never lets facts get in his way and who when he can't follow a line of thought, calls it rhetoric, and and when calling someone idiotic, misspells the word, causing the word to point right back at him/you.

Giraldo is with, and represents Fox, as no one else would have him...I suppose, and thats what most see when they behold him.... Fox, who while they flagrantly lifted the baggers who sold out to the Koch Bros, have nothing but derision to throw at this movement, which is the real deal and threatens the same people who back the baggers.

It one thing to disagree with people Cam, but its another to be a lying sack while you do it. Speaking or not to Fox, is in no way a barometer of legitimacy. But as a matter of fact via the video, the powder incident got Giraldo sympathy with the crowd, and he was made more "comfortable" for the rest of his visit. The powder guy may have been a false flag guy, as it is obvious that NO ONE in the crowd was pleased with what he did. Its only result was to give people like you, something to deride the movement with, and most people there instinctively knew thats just what it would do, and perhaps...thats why it was done, or perhaps just a lone idiot. The only harm done was to the cause, and Giraldo knew that, and said it, to his credit.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Monday October 17, 2011, 7:27 am
If anyone thinks thousands of people are all going to act perfectly when protesting, they're mistaken.
Maybe they will eventually protest at the White House.
There doesen't have to be a 'single demand'. Says who? Especially when it isn't a single problem. It's multiple. Which means multiple demands. Not every individual is highly educated or adept at verbalizing what they feel are the problems or the demands or the solutions.
If you have thousands of individuals protesting, it's doubtful that they all think the same way, have the same political views, have the same 'agenda', or have any agenda, etc.

What is trivial is picking out wrong behaviour or inept eloquence by citizens, such as what the media focuses on. THAT turns it into a circus show.

There is too, an idea from some conspiracy theorists that this entire OWS is all orchestrated and paid for by the NWO elites yadda yadda yadda. In other words it's not just a lot of ordinary citizens, students, grandpeople (a new word) who simply want improved conditions, they're actually all sheeple paid for, bought, and controlled by Soros and the New World Order elite and are now doing their bidding. Yawn.
 

lee e (114)
Monday October 17, 2011, 9:53 am
I've been out there with you Robert - lower profile - great job - nice shots - were you in Times Sq? I was on a pole with a megaphone - LOL - hope this movement makes some change!! We need it! Hope Obama gets the message sooner rather than later - I haven't liked his response thus far1
 

Cam V (417)
Monday October 17, 2011, 1:50 pm
As a fiscal conservative who holds a great number of liberal views I am hard to stick in a slot Cynthia. I am pro choice - pro gay marriage - an atheist and like all Tea Party members anti corporate and government reach.

I support freedom of speech but am pointing out that if it is money those folks are harping about they appear to have a lot of it. So where exactly is their beef and who is financing that charade? Even here in Vancouver about a hundred of them have stuck around in the park but I predict my liberal government will not allow them to stay there for long. We cannot afford it.

This 'protest' is misplaced. If you want Obama to get the message then take the message to him. No one on Wall Street has the power to change anything. Your congress, senate and the White House does so take the fight to where it belongs. It does not belong on Wall Street.

Say what you want but you folks have George Soros behind everything that is happening there Robert yet you do not address this at all. Never have. He is know as the 'man who almost broke the bank of England'. Has more money than dirt. An extreme hatred for America and is the one person who had the power to cause the failure in your markets. He was a Nazi - one of the few who are still living to day and perhaps that is where his hatred for America comes from? He was jewish and some say he turned Nazi to survive but there is nothing in his behaviour since the death of Hilter that leads me to believe he was truly Jewish. What I do know is he absolutely detest America ..... and that alone is very dangerous.

You are correct Kenneth, there will be bad apples in every barrel but if you could explain to me how they hope to change anything from these protests perhaps I could understand the point of laying siege to Wall Street. I do not see the point. They will lost public sympathy and patience as this continues and it will turn ugly at some point because of the bad apples.

It is way past time for them to go home. Were I truly a hateful Conservative I would rather they stay and let it fall down around their ears but I do not want to see anyone hurt and the message of a protest lost to violence. It undermines the value of free speech and peaceful demonstration.
 

Robert S (111)
Monday October 17, 2011, 5:21 pm
I have less time now, and will spend my time and energy to march toward a more just America, free from the bondage and of our oppressors, oligarchic tyranny. One day I will come north and we can talk about all this.
Meanwhile I think you a serial liar, who will say anything, knows little and is undeserving of my now limited time. Till later foul one.
1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (Marine Wins)

Marine Vet at #OccupyWallStreet Tells Sean Hannity to "F**k Off"
 

Robert S (111)
Monday October 17, 2011, 5:29 pm
By the foul one, of course I refer to the repugnant one, and the the stench that accompanies a certain North-wind.

Glad to hear you were in Times Square, Lee. Of course I was there. Check back on the thread as I have referenced my videos of the event and there location a few times. In solidarity my friends, comrades and those of good will.
 

Cam V (417)
Monday October 17, 2011, 9:08 pm
It is misplaced because where it sits right now there is no power to change (or collapse) anything. Who in New York has the administrative power to bring about the change these folks want Margaret? Here in Vancouver they are camped right outside our Art Gallery. What the hell does the art gallery have to do with anything financial? It makes no sense.

Change does not start at the top. We cannot get corporate control or strangleholds out of our government until we elect people to office who owe them nothing. It begins at the beginning. As well to think this is a 'world wide' movement is a joke. Even here in Canada we are not as socialized as they are in Europe and you have to admit Europe is falling apart because of monetary socialized ideology. Even England.

Protest in order to bring about real change should be done where the people are who can initiate this change. Which is where the political power brokers in our countries are.

 

Robert S (111)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 7:36 pm
Tonight at OWS the 99 percent song is born, I meet the Rev. J. Jackson after he speaks, and Verizon Reps speak in solidarity with our cause.

On the way to Liberty Park

99 percent song is born and Rev J. Jackson speaks

R. J. Jackson speaks 2

Verizon Union Reps speak
 

(0)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 7:51 pm
I am a little disturbed that my comments which weren't offensive have been removed from this thread. I am wondering what the criteria for offensive is on Care 2, where on one thread I can be accused of celebrating murder, have my parenting questioned and told what an antisemite I am yet that Care2 member's post still stands, yet mine which says nothing offensive is removed. I have a problem with this.
 

Cam V (417)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 7:55 pm
Geez Margaret, I wondered why you were not answering what I was posting! I was expecting you to and nothing showed up. Are you sure it was not just a lag in posting?
 

(0)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 8:01 pm
I called Wall Street leaders such as Dick Fuld a dou*****g. It seems funny that people call infer that I am a murderer supporter, terrorist supporter, etc. on another thread and it stands, yet a Dou***b*g is evil I guess. It wasn't like I was calling anyone posting on Care2 that name.

I certainly wasn't ignoring you Cam.
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 9:31 pm
Thanks for representing Care2, therefore me, at Liberty Park, Robert. I wish I could send you a bandanna to wear as my knight.

Cam was right when mentioning iPhones and computers but not as he pointed it out. BTW; people have to buy and pay for - no, USA is NOT a communist country where you get one for free from "the system"! I want to warn protesters that, if you were arrested, police will search you and especially your gadgets, copy contacts, messages, photos... Ask yourself what they will found, and do you want to disclose it to the riot police. Be smart, be careful and stay safe.

About signs... well, even I know that there are many sites where you can download and print them. No need to pay to anybody to bring your sign to the rally, or follow your talking points, for that matter. People knows what troubles them, and Wall Street has a lot to do with it.

On Now. 6, there will be another protest at the White House. Bill McKibben invites you to come and get arrested. Last time there were 1253 persons protesting and all were arrested; which is the record for a single protest, if we exclude China.
 

Shirley S (187)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 9:32 pm
noted
 

Cam V (417)
Tuesday October 18, 2011, 9:43 pm
The White House is where these protests SHOULD take place. I know Margaret but I couldn't figure out why anyone would be erasing your posts. Must be a post patrol somewhere in these threads.

As you can see I have laid out my argument regarding this protest through the threads. One of my hosts at FSM may go there and I look forward to his take on what is happening there. Perhaps he may be able to find out what the end game is there in NY.
 

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 12:16 am
White House? Oh, "The Best Government a Money Can Buy"! Yeah, protesting there will do. Or won't. Never mind, as long as Big Fat Cats continue to silently rip us off.

Here is from my favorite pundit; Banks Raise Fees on Same People Who Bailed Out Their Asses,
Introduce New ‘Thank You’ Fee on Debit Cards

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – The largest banks in the US made history today by hiking fees on the same people who bailed out their asses three years ago.

“We would not exist today without the generosity of the American taxpayers,” said CEO Brian Moynihan of Bank of America, which received billions of dollars of Federal bailout money. “And we want to thank them by assessing a special monthly ‘thank you’ fee on all of our debit cards.”

Becoming emotional, Mr. Moynihan added, “We think of the taxpayers every time we vacation on our yachts or visit our third homes, and we want them to think of us every time they try to spend $20 on groceries.”

Mr. Moynihan said that even after paying the new $5 monthly fee, “American taxpayers should still have enough money left over to let them eat cake.”

In other news, CNN announced today that it plans to start covering the mass protests on Wall Street in lower Manhattan “as soon as the Michael Jackson trial is over.”

And Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry today blasted President Obama’s decision to kill a terrorist in Yemen: “There are plenty of perfectly good people to execute right here in America."
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 7:07 am
Cam: " if you could explain to me how they hope to change anything from these protests perhaps I could understand the point of laying siege to Wall Street. I do not see the point. They will lost public sympathy and patience as this continues and it will turn ugly at some point because of the bad apples."

The BASIC point of any protest anywhere is that it is communication. Now does communication ever do anything? Of course. Why do you communicate? Why do protestors communicate? Why do your friends communicate? It is an exchange of ideas. Communication can and does influence what other people think, and thus DO. The people in Wall Street are human. Not affected by communication? Of course they are. Cops? Same thing. Corporations? Politicians? Same thing. It's tempting to think that everything is just some huge overwhelming unmanageable inanimate entity but EVERYTHING is made up of individuals, human.

You worry/focus too much on 'public sypmpathy and patience' and 'being hurt' and 'violence' etc. I say who cares about 'public sympathy'? I wouldn't. If I had something to communicate, I would communicate it and I wouldn't care about 'public sympathy or patience'. What has that go to do with it? Who's out there in a popularity contest?

"I do not want to see anyone hurt and the message of a protest lost to violence. It undermines the value of free speech and peaceful demonstration."
You worry too much about the protestors 'being hurt' and 'violence'. Let THEM worry or not worry about it. And I have no absolutely no idea how that would 'undermine free speech'.

To me Cam you are placing it all too much in a 'winner' vs. 'loser' battle, and that everything has to be compartmentalized into politics. Let's just say an individual is an individual first, and communication is what individuals do, and things can occur from that and because of that. Fubar the politics of it..

 

Robert S (111)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 7:31 am
I will continue to put up video here from the Occupation as time allows as i did above, Tuesday October 18, 2011, 7:36 pm. I hope you get something out of them. Thanks my friends and members for your great comments and encouragement. I don't know what goes on with the disappearing posts. Just guessing, Perhaps some flagger or group of them have someones sympathetic ear @ Care2 admin. Or a group goes after a poster all at once and triggers some auto response, i.e., deletion. Don't know.
 

Cam V (417)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 11:24 am
When we protest it is with the goal in mind of winning some reconcilitation for what our beef is Ken. I have never known people to just take to the streets hollering with no end in site yet this appears to be what those folks have done. As I said they are camping in front of the art gallery here and it has absolutely no way to bring about resolution to their complaints - whatever they may be.

Eventually the public will turn against them and the whole effort will have been done in vain. It is a lot of work for nothing. There is no one on Wall Street that can or will initiate any change and no one there that has the power to negotiate any deals if that is what they want.

What do they want?
 

Robert S (111)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 3:40 pm
Your opinion is one of little significance here as will be your passing.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 5:09 am
I get so sick of people screaming, why are the protesters at wall street. Don't they have sense enough to know Wall Street runs Washington. Also anyone with a brain knows what is going on and why they are there and if they don't then they must be part of the problem.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 7:04 am
Cam---bad art? lol I'd protest a lot of that cubist, neo-modernist, abstract crap too.
But seriously, who knows. Maybe it's just a convenient place to 'camp out'.

"What do they want?" I'd say tons of things. Try putting it all in a neat little package. This isn't the Vietnam protest where it was simple: Get Out of Vietnam. One demand. Try multiple demands now by multiple people attempting to verbalize and itemize and express it all succinctly and completely in the right way to the right people.
Anyway, this could be debated back and forth forever.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:01 am
This is the 99% first draft of demands....sorry you will have to copy and paste
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
 

Cam V (417)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 12:51 pm
Thanks Cynthia but again - they are protesting at the wrong place. They need to take it to Washington.

Robert, not very sporting of you to wish me dead.
 

Robert S (111)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 6:02 pm
Live, die...no matter Cam, for I have bigger fish to fry.
 

Robert S (111)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 6:39 pm
Late afternoon evening @ OWS today 10_20_11 Enjoyed unloading trucks of food today. feeding the masses of people who stay or just stop by. Spirit very high. Great feeling to help somehow, since marching was not in my legs.

10_20_11 Arrest coaching.

A little mountain music 10_20_11

M. Moore comes by to encourage us again 10_20_11


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NZ73XBizuA
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 7:22 pm
You should tell us about your You Tube Channel, Robert.

MrUberviewer's Channel

Fresh videos daily, folks!
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:12 pm
Got this e-mail a couple of days ago:

"An Open Letter to the Occupiers from a Veteran Troublemaker

You have awakened the sleeping giant, too long dormant, but ever present, deep in the American democratic spirit. You have given voice and space to the unspoken feelings of countless others about something that has gone terribly wrong in our society. And you have sparked a flame from the embers of both frustration and hope that have been building, steadily, in the hearts of so many of us for quite some time.

Throughout history, often it has been left to the youth of a society to do that, and you boldly have stepped into the role of the emerging generation, which sometimes means saying and doing what others only think. You have articulated, loudly and clearly, the internal monologue of a nation.

Some of you have told me that you expected only to foment a short-lived protest and that you were as surprised by this "movement" as anyone else. Try to listen and learn from those whose feelings and participation you are evoking by encouraging more reflection than certainty.

While there are some among us who may misunderstand your motives and message, know that you are an inspiration to many more.

One of you told me in New York City last week, "This is not a protest, but a think tank." Another of your compatriots wanted me to understand that you are trying to build something in Liberty Square that you aspire to create for our global village -- a more cooperative society.

Most telling to me was the answer to the first question I asked of the first person I talked to at the Wall Street demonstrations. I inquired of one of the non-leaders who helped lead the first days of Occupation what most drew him to get involved in the demonstration, and he replied, "I want to have children someday, and this is becoming a world not good for children."

My 13- and 8-year-old boys came to mind when I heard his answer, and I felt thankful. It is precisely those deepest, most authentic feelings and motivations that should preoccupy you, rather than how best to form and communicate superficial political rhetoric.

You are raising very basic questions about an economy that has become increasingly unfair, unstable, unsustainable, and unhappy for a growing number of people. Those same questions are being asked by many others at the bottom, the middle, and even some at the top of the economic pecking order.

There are ethics to be named here, and the transition from the pseudo-ethic of endless growth to the moral ethics of sustainability is a conversation occurring even now in our nation’s business schools (if, perhaps, secreted inside the official curriculum).

Keep pressing those values questions because they will move people more than a set of demands or policy suggestions. Those can and must come later.

And try not to demonize those you view as opponents, as good people can get trapped in bad systems and we've seen a lot of that. Still, you are right for saying that we all must be held accountable -- both systems and the individuals within them. It is imperative that we hear that message right now.

The new safe spaces you have created to ask fundamental questions, now in hundreds of locations around the country and the world, are helping to carve out fresh societal space to examine ourselves -- who we are, what we value most, and where we want to go from here.

Instead of simply attacking the establishment "economists," you can become the citizen economists, like the young economics major I met at the Wall Street occupation who discussed with me new approaches for society’s investment and innovation. We desperately need new vision like hers to come up with alternative ways of performing essential functions.

Keep asking what a just economy should look like and whom it should be for. They are noble questions. But you’d do well to avoid Utopian dreaming about things that will never happen. Look instead at how we could do things differently, more responsibly, more equitably, and yes, more democratically.

Don’t be afraid to get practical and specific about how we can and must do things better than we have in recent years. One of our best moral economists, Amartya Sen, says that "being against the market is like being against conversation. It's a form of exchange." You have begun such a conversation about what markets could and should be. Keep talking.

Even in forums where business and political leaders meet, they too are asking those questions and using terms like "a moral economy" as a way to interrogate our present and failed practices. I’ve been in such a gathering this week -- just days apart from visiting yours -- where the participants slept on featherbedding in five-star hotels rather than in pup tents on the sidewalk. And yet, surprisingly, they were asking many of the same questions you are.

Keep driving both the moral and practical questions about the economics of our local and global households, for that is what the discipline was supposed to be about in the first place.

I know you believe that the leadership on Wall Street, and Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues have all failed you. Indeed, they have failed us all. But while you feel betrayed by both our business and political leaders, don’t give up on leadership per se.

We need innovative leadership now more than ever. And you are providing some of it.

Think of stewards rather than masters of the universe as the model for leadership.

And remember, non-violence is not just a critical tactic but a necessary commitment to moral and civil discourse that can awaken the best in all of us. There is much to be angry about, but channeling that energy into creative, non-violent action is the only way to prevent dangerous cynicism and nihilism that also can be a human response to the injustice and marginalization many people now feel.

The anarchism of anger has never produced the change that the discipline and constructive program of non-violent movements has done again and again.

I remember what it feels like to see your movement as a lead story on the evening news every night, and the adrenaline rush that being able to muster 10,000 people in two hours' time to march in protest against injustice and inhumanity can bring. I was in your shoes 40 years ago as a student leading demonstrations against the Vietnam War, racism, and nuclear proliferation.

I would advise you to cultivate humility more than overconfidence or self indulgence. This really is not about you. It's about the marginalized masses, the signs of the times, and the profound yearning for lasting change. Take that larger narrative more seriously than you take yourselves.

Finally, do not let go of your hope. Popular movements are the only force that truly brings about change in society. The established order is never as secure and impervious to change as those who preside over it believe it to be.

Remember that re-action is never as powerful as re-construction. And whatever you may think of organized religion, please keep in mind that change requires spiritual as well as political resources, and that invariably any new economy will be accompanied by a new (or very old) spirituality.

So I will say, may God bless you and keep you.

May God be gracious to you and give you -– and all of us -- peace."

Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: A Guide for Economic and Moral Recovery, and CEO of Sojourners. He blogs at www.godspolitics.com.
 

Robert S (111)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:17 pm
Thank you Jelica. I wish it were daily. I'm loath to admit...( physically I can't do it), I can't be there every day. I do spend as much time there as I can, and usually won't go more than a couple of days gaining strength between visits. I came to creating the channel around the idea of documenting this uprising for my Care2 friends. Sorry for the poor quality of some of it. Tonight was very windy so the sound took a beating and when darkness falls my little smart phone succumbs almost totally if not for the light supplied by others. I hope my efforts do allow you so see some things you might not otherwise see and or hear In daylight, without too much wind...I do reasonably well with it. Going there is a labor of love, and sharing what I can of the experience with you... is also. New video will be dated separately and in play-lists or if I haven't had time... simply in "uploads". Peace, out.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday October 21, 2011, 3:15 am
Cam...Didn't the tea party take it to Washington? What happen to that...they were taken over by the Republican party and they killed it by making it a one sided fight. Any time you take anything to Washington it get's labeled politically. Occupy Wall Street is not a political movement it's a we the 99% movement. We are sick of the 1% of wealth (Wall Street)=Corporations in this country taking from the rest of us. It cannot be Symbolic of that if we are demonstrating only in Washington. I cannot for the life of me understand why you can't get that.
 

Brenda B (43)
Friday October 21, 2011, 8:52 pm
Way to go Robert!! So glad I got the post and watched the video. As you know I am Canadian and we had Occupy BAY Street(total flop as everyone who showed up and camped in park had no idea what they were there for or why.) Many people were there on the week-end but the actual protest was to take place on the Monday!One person walked down Bay street on October 17/2011 at 9:30 am (when our stock market opens) stating more protesters were coming but nothing! Media coverage was massive but no one marched on the Monday(OCT 17). Glad to see that it was a protest on Wall street and even more proud to see my buddy Robert there too!! Way to go! Stand up for what you believe in!
 

Robert S (111)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:05 pm
Pete symbolically hammers the Elephant @ Columbus Circle. Last night I found out just in time that Pete Seeger and others would march to Columbus Circle and sing in solidarity with OWS so MrUberviewer/me... rushed out and joined them.

Night of 21st into morning of 22nd
 

Cam V (417)
Monday October 24, 2011, 11:24 pm
The Tea Party in spite of what is propogated about it is not a Republican party. It is independant and made up of people who belong to ALL aspects of a political arena. We are about change which begins at the bottom up.

What is happening in Wall Street is poltical. Period. It has no end game so what is it exactly? A never ending protest? What is the goal? I do not understand why you do not get what I am saying about it. What is the goal? What do they hope to accomplish by what they are doing?
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 4:10 am
Cam...I do believe that you are the type of person that I could talk to forever and not get you to understand anything... period. So I respectfully decline trying.
 

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Tuesday October 25, 2011, 5:04 am
Cam, I think this says it all:

We are our demands. This #ows movement is about empowering communities to form their own general assemblies, to fight back against the tyranny of the 1%. Our collective struggles cannot be co-opted.

I think that this movement signifies that the system is broken. It signifies society's disaffection and disillusionment towards the invasive corporate will upon the people and the government. America was never about income disparity. It is a complete disgrace that we have allowed Corporate America (and also Corporate Canada) to wield such power. It is a complete disgrace that the 1% live well at the expense of the 99%. It is a disgrace that Corporate lobby groups have such influence on the political process and on legislation. It is a disgrace when soldiers return home to no job, no home, no prospects. We allowed deregulation of this monster and have seen the consequences. It is apparent that the corporate beast is greedy, pathological and has no concern about the population. So, if you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you. I think it is unconscionable that the Alberta government is trying to sell Tar Sands sludge as ethical oil when the Dene population is being killed off, the wildlife is becoming extinct and these people who have hunted and fished on this land and no way to sustain themselves.
 

(0)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 2:09 pm
I saw this today in Huffington Post by Adrianna Huffington.

Arianna Huffington: Lessons From Spain: "Los Indignados," Occupy Wall Street, and the Failure of the Status Quo

I was in Spain on October 15th when half a million took to the streets of Madrid to voice their frustration with a political system that has failed the people of Spain -- in the same way our own "Los Indignados" (Spanish for "The Outraged") are voicing their anger and frustration at a system that has failed the "99 percent" here in America. I was struck by how family-oriented the protests were. But when I looked at how the media covered them, instead of the thousands of families and children and retirees who marched in towns all across Spain, what dominated the airwaves were burning cars from the protest in Rome -- which was hijacked by a coterie of masked anarchists. Just as solutions to the problems facing Europe and America are not going to be found in traditional political ways, the truth of what's happening is not going to be found in traditional media coverage either.
 

(0)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 2:39 pm
I just posted this article, Too Big to Jail. It is a pretty interesting aspect of the Wall Street royalty. I found it pretty interesting and pretty disgusting. Though some of you might want to read it.
 

Nancy C (806)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 5:37 pm
Thanx all, even you Cam. We at Care2 want to know the truth of you. I would have to agree that the Teabaggers definitely start from the bottom up...I too, am so proud to be represented by you Robert. I am just a tad older than you are and we've seen many protests in our day. The musical artist protests left a lasting impression and I'm so glad to see that many are still fighting the status quo which has gone haywire. We've also seen too many wis and courageous voices silenced. I thank all who are out on any street in any city for their commitment to the 99%. I am proud to be one of the many with whom I hope to change the direction of the 1% winds!
 

Nancy C (806)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 5:38 pm
PS You're a tad older than I am...hee hee.
 

(0)
Tuesday October 25, 2011, 6:42 pm
I just posted this, Former Goldman Sachs Director, Expected To Face Criminal Charges. Doesn't give much detail wise, but it sure is nice to see Wall Street criminals actually charged.
 

Pete m (67)
Friday October 28, 2011, 10:47 am
For Cam (Northern?) who needs to tear himself away from F*x Gnus once in a while-

Social Inequality and the Concentration of Global Wealth: Never have so Few Owned so Much

Feeling angry about being betrayed by a corrupt government owned by rich and corporate elites has driven the Occupy Wall Street movement. Emphasizing how the top one percent has prospered incredibly while the bottom 99 percent have been screwed royally is supported by countless data. New data show this is a global phenomenon and that even in the worst of economic times the wealthiest make out like the bandits they are, and there are a lot more of them than one percent.

Globally, millionaires and billionaires now control 38.5 percent of the world’s wealth, according to the latest Global Wealth Report from Credit Suisse. Never have so few owned so much. There are 29.7 million people in the world with household net worth of $1 million or more; they represent less than 1 percent of the world’s population, actually just .4 percent of 7 billion people.

Their wealth share rose from 35.6 percent in 2010, because even during the global economic recession their wealth increased by about $20 trillion. In fact, their wealth grew 29 percent — about twice as fast as the wealth in the world as a whole. How many ordinary people saw their wealth increase from 2010 to 2011 by anything close to 29 percent?

For the Occupy Wall Street movement it is even more significant that the US has been the largest wealth generator over the past 18 months, a time when about 100 million Americans have suffered with unemployment, underemployment, home foreclosures, hunger, high living costs, no health insurance, loss of savings, and historic financial insecurity.

According to the new report, the US added $4.6 trillion to global wealth, with China ranked second with $4 trillion, followed by Japan ($3.8 trillion), Brazil ($1.87 trillion) and Australia ($1.85 trillion). Which Americans shared in that $4.6 trillion increase in wealth? Only those at the very top.

There are now 84,700 people in the world worth $50 million or more. And 42 percent of them, 35,400, live in the US . At the top of that global group are 29,000 people world-wide worth $100 million or more, and just 2,700 worth $500 million or more.

According to the latest Forbes list there are 1,210 billionaires in the world. And the total net worth of America 's wealthiest people was up $1.37 trillion in 2010, according to the latest Forbes 400 list, where it took a net worth of $1.05 billion to make the list of the richest Americans.

Here are some more data on current high net worth Americans: those with more than $100 million, 29,000 (about .1 percent of US population); $10 to $100 million, 987,300; $5 to $10 million, 1.96 million; $1 to $5 million, 26.7 million. You can see that the top one percent of Americans (about 3 million) have net worth above about $5 million and they get about 20 percent of annual national income and have about one third of national wealth.

The top 10 percent (about 30 million) have net worth above about $1 million and account for about 50 percent of all national consumer spending (which is amazing, think about it). They have enormous consumer power, adding to their political power. Those 30 million are a big chunk of the 99 percent, so don’t expect them to be thrilled with the Occupy movement. Rhetorically, pitting 99 against 1 percent works, but understanding that the blood suckers are really 10 percent is important but still not the whole story.

There are still more economic winners than either the top one or ten percent. When you take into account households with net worth of several hundred thousands of dollars, there are at least 60 million Americans or about 20 percent that should be considered wealthy (probably including most Tea Party activists and the Republican base) and unlikely to see the legitimacy of the Occupy movement. Those people account for an amazing $9 trillion sitting in cash in the nation’s banks. Message: The political battle is much harder than it first appears.

But, of course, there are some rich Americans that strongly support the Occupy movement, including a number from the entertainment world who clearly are part of the wealthy upper class. Like others, they understand that opposition to a grossly unfair capitalistic system designed primarily to benefit a few is not the same as rejection of capitalism that serves the interests of the many and the nation, allowing wealth to be shared (like it was from 1950 to 1980). Note that corporate profit as a share of the economy is at a 50-year high.

Also note that often people with moderate incomes, and not just retirees, still are very high net worth individuals, with most of their income being passive such as interest and dividends, rather than wages of any kind. Being wealthy, in other words, is best seen in terms of net worth rather than income data.

Last point, 50 percent of Americans make less than $26,000 a year. We have become a two-class society with very little upward mobility, especially when even those with a college education or decades of work experience cannot find a job.

Rebellion is needed.

Fighting economic injustice and greed is long overdue.

Now you know: Delusional democracy breeds delusional prosperity.

This is what the Occupy movement is all about. Help make it a success by supporting the petition at getmoneyout.com.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27286
 
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