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In a first for Egypt's fight against sexual assault and harassment, Egypt's newly elected President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi visited the victim of the brutal sexual assault captured on video in Tahrir Square.



   

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fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 4:57 pm
In a first for Egypt’s fight against sexual assault and harassment, Egypt’s newly elected President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi visited the victim of the brutal sexual assault captured on video in Tahrir Square. The video, aired by Egypt’s state television, shows President Sisi visiting a Military hospital where the victim is being treated. Upon entering the room, President Sisi hands the victim a bouquet of flowers and immediately apologizes for the incident. “We are sorry. We are not good,” says President Sisi apologetically. “I am apologizing to every Egyptian woman.” Remove the video “The video…on YouTube…being aired every day…my daughter is watching it,” says the female victim, asking President Sisi to move to remove the horrific video that has stirred outrage across the world. Following the victim’s requests, President Sisi affirms that no longer will even a single case of sexual assault be acceptable. “I will not call the Minister of Interior or the Minister of Justice. I will call every soldier in Egypt. Whether from the police services or the military and wherever they are in the country,” affirms the President. “I am talking to you [the soldiers]. I am talking to all young officers. I am telling you that this will never happen or continue in Egypt.”

“I am speaking to the judiciary,” continues the President. “Our own flesh is being assaulted on the streets and that is unacceptable. Even if it is only one case, it is unacceptable.”

President Sisi then moves on to address the media.

“I am speaking to the media, and tell them that there is a shared responsibility. We have spoken before that there is responsibility on us all: the media, the police and the judiciary,” adds the President.

“Every man who has honour and is decent, shame on you to leave this incident to occur, even if it was a single case in all of Egypt,” says the President. “We as a nation will not allow this to happen ever again.”

“There will be strict procedures and strict implementation of the law. I am here to tell you, and every Egyptian woman, I am sorry. I am apologizing to all of you.”
 

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Wednesday June 11, 2014, 5:20 pm
Thanks so much for posting sweetie -x-
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 5:25 pm
Yesterday thousands of Egyptians gathered in Tahrir Square to celebrate the inauguration of Egypt’s seventh president Abdelfatah El Sisi. While many television networks have been featuring footage of large unified crowds cheering and holding Egyptian flags, one YouTube user posted a video from Tahrir Square, shot on his mobile phone, which documented a much grimmer reality for the country.

The original video, which was removed from YouTube due to its graphic nature, shows a naked, injured woman, attempting to flee a large group of men who have sexually assaulted her in the middle of the square.

The sexual assault was reposted by YouTube user Marwan Arafah, and already has over 148,000 views [Please note: Egyptian Streets removed the video at the request of the victim].

In another video that has gone viral, a Tahrir Channel correspondent is shown reporting live from Tahrir Square. During the report, she mentions a high number of sexual harassment cases. Before she is finished with her report, the in-studio anchor talks over her and states “they are just happy.”

The Ministry of Interior released a statement claiming that it had arrested seven men between the ages of 15 and 49 for sexually assaulting “a number of women” and for injuring a police officer.
Sexual assault epidemic

Although the sexual assault epidemic is nothing new in Egypt, recently there has been an extended initiative by the government to crack down on the issue. Before stepping down last week, Interim President Adly Mansour passed a law criminalizing all forms of sexual harassment, regardless of the medium through which it occurs.

A new article, which has been issued into power, adds a harsh punishment to those found guilty of unwanted sexual contact. Violators of this law will be punished with a minimum of one year in prison and a fine between EGP 10,000 and EGP 20,000.

If such sexual contact is by an authority figure, whether it be in the work place, at school or even at home, then the punishment would be a prison sentence of at least two years and a fine between EGP 20,000 and EGP 50,000.

Other amended laws, under article 306, declare that those found guilty of verbal sexual harassment in a private or public place will be sentenced to a minimum of six months in prison and fined no less than EGP 3,000 ($US 420).

These new laws come after several television hosts have discussed cases of sexual harassment occurring at universities throughout the country, while blaming women for provoking their aggressor through their clothing choices.

In his talk show, Egyptian presenter Tamer Amin of Egypt Today, declared that clothing choice is not a personal freedom, while accusing women of going to the universities not to study but in order to drive male attention.

Amin also blames the security guards at the schools who allow the women into the universities with their “provocative clothing.”

With the increase of transparency through videos like last night’s horrific footage, it has become increasingly difficult to sweep such issues of sexual harassment under the rug. However, it remains to be seen how effective these laws will be in creating safer streets for Egyptian women.
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 5:28 pm
I hope the visit to the victim proves to be more than just a photo op and the measures taken more effective than those tried in India just to placate the public.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 6:57 pm
I agree Sam.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 7:12 pm
I also agree with Sam
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 7:30 pm
I just had this dreadful thought that made me cringe. Imagine George Will, as the president of Egypt, congratulating the rape victim on her “coveted status.”

http://www.care2.com/news/member/223806899/3778198

 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 7:34 pm


This should have been the link:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/223806899/3778198
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 9:00 pm
Hi Jess! Thanks for posting these articles; here's another link http://www.mail.com/int/news/world/2908534-egypts-el-sissi-visits-sex-assault-victim.html#.1258-stage-set3-5.

Finally it was confirmed that 5 hospitals REFUSED to admit the victims; I don't know if some or all of the victims were brought together to the hospitals. Mind you - those were government hospitals! It is under investigation now and I assume and hope that the pressure from all of us (men and women) is so powerful that even if someone would like to shelf the cases ... it will not be possible anymore.

Another good news item is that the anchor-woman got suspended and will not appear in all likelihood before a camera anymore. Her first and most stupid excuse was that "she didn't know that the microphones were open"!! What can one say to such a "thing"? Now she is on her FB teaching everyone manners and who knows what ... - she is truly an "shining" example of what I hate in women. Sorry to say that being myself female. She'd rather issue a true apology and keep her mouth shut and a low profile for now. She's done enough damage.

Sorry that I myself keep a low profile for the moment but I have a veritable mess here. Should ease off though after the weekend.

You all stay safe and thanks again for the posting!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 10:12 pm
I just got this in from Avaaz and would like to urge everyone to take a second, sign the petition and spread it widely - thank you:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/womanifesto_modi_loc/?bZnmfcb&v=41040

"Two young girls were hanged from a tree after being gang raped in the fields outside their home in India and a minister from the ruling party just responded by saying that rape "is a social crime ... sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong."

It's disgusting! But this isn't an isolated incident. I’ve been attacked in front of senior policemen and nothing was done. I know the system is totally failing India’s women. But together I think we can change it."
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 10:37 pm
Egypt's el-Sissi visits sex assault victim

http://www.mail.com/int/news/world/2908534-egypts-el-sissi-visits-sex-assault-victim.html#.1258-stage-set3-5.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 6:01 am
Here's hoping Sisi fulfills his promises, because behind the pretence of religion, there are so sociopaths out there taking no responsibility for their self-satisfaction
Sickening
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 1:40 pm
More coverage: Egypt's president in hospital photo-call in effort to tackle sexual violence

With a shameful comment by the head of the National Council for Women ....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 2:55 pm
Hi Evelyn - thanks for the additional link. Mervat el-Tallawy's comment could have been better phrased but in essence she is right in attacking Al Jazeera; note that she's talking about AJ Arabic which is totally sold out to the Muslim Brothers. They keep showing huge demonstrations by the MBs - insinuating that this is today's daily life in Egypt whereas these are footages from the time Morsi was ousted and we had sit-ins. AJ Arabic IS reporting in a totally distorted manner which has nothing to do anymore with professional journalism. One has to read her comments against this background.

"...the repetition of such politically-oriented crimes organized by unknown parties with specific orientations and benefits".

It becomes clearer the more info surface about the perpetrators that they are payed thugs. We saw interviews tonight by potential victims who stated that they were told by some men that the road *they were on) to Tahrir is a mess and to take a side street. In that side street the thugs were waiting ... but they managed to escape unharmed. It seems they lured women there, formed a ring around them and had a go at them. True or false? Who's to tell?

Fact is that the whole country is not only in shock (that's how "often" such events take place ...) but up in arms and demands decisive actions irrespective of outside opinions. That tells us a lot, does it not?

We all hope that out of these horrible events something positive will take hold and that effective measures are put in place. At least the suffering of these women would not be in vain.
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 6:17 pm
The National Council for Women announced on Tuesday its decision to sue Qatari Al Jazeera satellite channel for “offending Egyptian women.”

Head of the Council, ambassador Mervat al-Talawy, told privately owned Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper that “Al Jazeera has been working against Egypt since the June 30 Revolution, and using harassment and the recent rape incident to tarnish the image of Egyptian women.”

On Sunday, celebrations following the inauguration of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Cairo’s Tahrir Square were the site for at least five cases of sexual assault. A video surfaced on the Internet showing one case of a mob surrounding a woman, stripping and violently assaulting her.

The Council’s statement said that a committee would be formed to follow various harassment cases Egyptian women experience. It described the sexual assault case in Tahrir as “revenge against Egyptian women to steal their happiness.”

“These gruesome incidents that occurred recently are a continuation of the systemic political harassment the Council has previously fought and warned against during the Muslim Brotherhood’s rule. The Council predicted the repetition of such politically-oriented crimes organized by unknown parties with specific orientations and benefits,” the statement added.

The Council believes that the reason behind these incidents is to “exclude and isolate Egyptian women from public life, force them into the background and kill their joy regarding the success of the roadmap, which the whole world witnessed.”

On Monday, 14 rights organizations issued a statement calling for the National Council for Women and the Ministries of Justice, Interior, Education and Health to work together on developing a strategy to combat sexual harassment and gender-based violence.

The groups also urged the state to update the penal code to include new legal definitions for sexual assault and harassment, and widen the scope of definitions of rape. They also demanded investigations into all cases of systemic sexual violence that have taken place since the January 25, 2011 Revolution.

http://www.madamasr.com/content/national-women%E2%80%99s-council-says-assault-used-discredit-women
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 7:05 pm
New law to end sexual harassment in Egypt -
A new law is but a first step to fight Egypt's epidemic of sexual assaults

Shortly after Abdel Fattah el-Sisi's inauguration on June 8, thousands of his supporters gathered in Egypt's iconic Tahrir square to celebrate their newly elected president.

Amid fireworks, enthusiastic chanting and promising speeches, at least nine cases of sexual violence were later reported.

Soon after sunset, a video emerged showing the horrific assault of a woman and it went viral on social media. The video shows a partially stripped woman, her legs bloody and bruised. A few seconds later, she was totally naked, surrounded by a group of men trying to grope her from all sides, while a police officer attempts to escort her towards an ambulance.

The disturbing story of this woman is not an isolated incident in Egypt.
The NGO "I Saw Harassment," which usually tracks cases of assault and sends volunteers to rescue victims, was present during the Sisi supporters' festivities. In a statement, they said that at least four victims had required hospitalisation that night.

Another group "Operation Anti Sexual Harassment," witnessed "tens of assaults" that same evening. These are only two of the several NGOs that have been founded since the Egyptian uprising in 2011.

"The reason I founded this organisation is because we are all victims of sexual harassment. All Egyptian women face that problem," says Nihal Saad Zaghloul, co-founder of a similar NGO called "Basma". According to a survey conducted by the UN Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women in 2013, more than 99 percent of Egyptian women are harassed on a daily basis, ranging from catcalling in the streets to gang rapes.

More than 250 mass assaults have been recorded between February 2013 and January 2014, and over 500 incidents since the uprising in 2011, according to figures compiled by a coalition of advocacy groups.

Egyptian rights groups such as "I saw Harassment" and "Basma" have reported sexual assaults and rape cases during celebrations at a rate of 91 women over four days, including children and a 60-year-old woman. Due to the ongoing political unrest, "women’s issues" never became a top priority for those ruling the country.

The revolution may have given an extra boost to these initiatives as women felt they could make a difference in fighting for their rights and position in society. Although the struggle to combat sexual harassment took on bigger proportions after the 2011 revolution, several NGOs had been working on the issue long before the uprising.

Yasmin El Baramawy, victim of a two-hour-long gang-rape near Tahrir Square, wrote about her predicament on Facebook.

"It has been happening for years," El Baramawy wrote, adding she didn't only blame the rapists for this extreme violence, but also those who ignore the problem - or didn't believe her.

El Baramawy is one of the first victims who had the courage to speak out. She filed a complaint at the police station and took her story to the media. The perpetrators still haven’t been punished.

After persistent efforts, there might finally be some hope for the women of Egypt. On June 4, a new law was approved by then interim president, Adly Mansour, criminalising sexual harassment for the first time in modern Egyptian history.

The new law is the result of working groups and workshops organised by over 25 organisations. It was the National Council for Women - an autonomous institution founded by Susan Mubarak, the wife of ousted president Hosni Mubarak - who sent the amendment of the law after consulting with the NGOs.

Women must feel comfortable in speaking out and the police must be educated in how to implement the law, instead of blaming the victims and even becoming perpetrators themselves. - Amal El Mohandees, researcher for Nazra

Although not all of the advice coming from the working groups has been taken into account, sexual harassment is finally considered a crime in Egypt and perpetrators might now face penalties, such as long jail terms and high fines.

The first arrests under this new law occurred on June 8. Seven men were arrested in connection to the sexual harassment cases on Tahrir Square. Three of them have been held in custody for four days, pending investigations. They are accused of sexually assaulting the woman seen in the video and her teenage daughter who was accompanying her that night.

Sisi himself only took a stand against these assaults two days after the video was spread and deep dissatisfaction was expressed from several opinion makers, rights groups and on social media. The newly sworn-in president apologised in person to the victim when he visited her in a Cairo hospital.

People eagerly awaited Sisi’s reaction as he played a dubious role concerning women's rights during the short rule of the Supreme Council of Armed Forces (SCAF) in the transition period after Mubarak’s ouster. During his first public appearance in April 2011, Sisi publicly defended the imposition of forced virginity tests on women detained during protests on Tahrir Square.

"The virginity tests were done to protect the girls from rape, as well as to protect the soldiers and officers from rape accusation," Sisi, then chief of military intelligence, said. But both during his election campaign and now as the president, he urged the government to take all necessary measures to combat sexual harassment and implement the new law rigorously.

Nazra, a Cairo-based women's rights organisation, stated: "The state continues to be unable to stand up to these crimes." Although met with scepticism, the new law seems to be a step in the right direction. Nevertheless, Amal El Mohandees, a researcher working for Nazra, believes the biggest challenge is yet to come.

"We have worked hard for many years to have this law implemented, but to make real change we need to change this climate of fear and break taboo," she said. "Women must feel comfortable in speaking out and the police must be educated in how to implement the law instead of blaming the victims and even becoming perpetrators themselves, as this is what happens very often and restrains women to file complaints."

Several criminologists and political scientists agree that Egypt’s patriarchal society is the root of this problem. “Egypt is a mainly conservative society and with it comes an unrealistic gender ideal and false expectations,” said an Egyptian political scientist, who asked not to be named. “Sexual assaults will continue to exist until society detaches itself from these dominating sexual illusions. The new law is the first step, but definitely not the last one.”
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 7:05 pm
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/new-law-end-sexual-harassment-egypt-2014612101924323684.html
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 12, 2014, 11:47 pm

My first commen flew into cyber space ... here it is again:

Had yesterday a discussion (among others with a lawyer) and forgot all about that Egypt has the death penalty for acts of terrorism, murder and RAPE under the old law which is not abolished. The new law is an ammendment.

Personally I'd wish the private parts of rapers surgically removed if men rape anyone ... Who of the readers here would want to see the death penalty applied and executed in case of rape?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 12:53 am

I've got to get this off my chest!!

I just read the most despicable (a**licking) comment (on Twitter) any person - on top of it a woman! - could come up with respect to this subject: "I wish I were in her place"! This tweet was by a very famous Egyptian actress. (Naturally she meant to be visited by Pres Sissi.)

At times I truly wonder what's wrong with us women ... and I know how I sound now ... but frankly - how can one excuse such utter stupidity and thoughtlessness paired with ... I refrain ?!

The comments are befitting ranging from offers to come "over" and get raped to ... and now SHE is upset?!?!?!
 

Stan B (123)
Friday June 13, 2014, 2:06 am
Sexual assaults on women seem to be endemic in Egypt. In fact women don't seem to respected in any Muslim country.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are about the worst.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 2:35 am
Hi Stan!

Glad that you found your way to here ... you're right; also in Egypt moral values and respect for women has declined over the last 15 years or so and it's high time that decisive actions are taken up and including passing the death penalty (which is in the law) for rape (of women AND men).

I know that with you no Muslim can do anything right - even if he/she just would say "Good Morning" to you ... ;-) ... but ...

... given the fact that in the USA (a Christian country by all means with a 0.8% of Muslim population) every 2 MINUTES a sexual assault occurs and that in India (a Hindu country with roughly 15% of Muslims) EVERY HOUR a woman is killed (not even talking about rape anylonger) ... your fixation of Islam seems a bit odd, wouldn't you say?

Or is it that you don't like American and Indian women and, therefore, don't give a ... about them?! Just wondering ... as I never read anything by you equally condemning Christianity and/or Hinduism ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 2:47 am

PS to Stan: if you really want to do something good go and sign the Avaaz petition too which I posted further up in this thread!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday June 13, 2014, 3:08 am
Maybe Stan was referring to the kind of respect that Moshe Katsav, the former president of Israel, gave to the women he repeatedly raped, abused and harassed.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 3:13 am
To Sam ... and ... and ... LOL!!
 

Stan B (123)
Friday June 13, 2014, 3:16 am
Our women are precious to us.” That is the typical Muslim response when asked about the treatment of women in Islam. Women are covered from head-to-toe because they are so “precious,” and in the West, domestic abuse is higher in the Muslim enclaves than in the neighborhoods of the natives because women in Islam are “valued so highly.” Female genital mutilation is apparently another way to demonstrate how women are treated like queens by their Muslim families, and getting flogged or even beheaded for getting raped also proves how special women are in the “religion of peace.”

Honor killings are another wonderful example of the treatment of women in Islam. Recently in Pakistan, a man and his two accomplices killed his sister for allegedly having “illicit relations” with a neighbor. In another Pakistani case, a woman, her aunt and cousin were all killed in an honor killing because the woman left her husband to marry another man. The other two women helped her, and the jirga, assembly of tribal elders, decided that they must be killed. No, it wasn’t madness or a crime of passion but an official decision made by what is essentially the governing group there because women are “precious” in Islam.
This beautiful Iraqi woman was killed in an honor killing in America by her father, who ran over her with his SUV. (Source: http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2055445,00.html)

This beautiful Iraqi woman was killed in an honor killing in America by her father, who ran over her with his SUV. (Source: http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2055445,00.html)

In August, a woman, her daughter and son-in-law were also victims of an honor killing by the woman’s brother after the woman had married without her family’s consent. Her brother killed her for it. These honor killings are all too common in Pakistan with new cases reported every few days. Earlier this year, two teenage girls and their mother were killed because the girls had been filmed dancing in the rain, and the video made the rounds via mobile phones. According to the Express Tribune, “the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says 943 women and girls were murdered in 2011 after being accused of tarnishing their families’ honor.” Pakistanis make up the largest Muslim immigrant group in the UK, though honor killings take place across the Muslim world.

In 2010, around 3000 honor attacks occurred in the UK’s Muslim community, though the actual number is believed to be far greater as many crimes go unreported or are not classified as honor attacks, which include abduction, mutilations, beatings, acid attacks and murder.

Underage marriage is all too common in the Muslim world, and a new report shows that instead of progressing, Malaysia is getting worse with more underage marriages in 2012 than in 2011. While non-Muslims in the nation must wait until the age of 18 to marry, the legal age for Muslims is 16. But with the common belief that girls must be married once they reach puberty, underage children can marry if they get consent from the Shariah court. And that is what they do to get around the supposed legal age the country has “officially” adopted in order to comply with world expectations.

In Nigeria, Senator Ahmad Yarima supports child marriage. The Senator himself married a 13 year-old in 2010 and has voted to uphold a law which states that all married girls are “of age.” One out of every five Nigerian children is not in school, partly because of this Muslim belief that puberty means marriage when it comes to girls. Over half the girls in the northern part of the country are married off by the time they are 16. And these girls are expected to have a child their first year of marriage. As a result, Nigeria which makes up two percent of the world’s population has ten percent of the world’s VVF cases. VVF is vesicovaginal fistula, a condition which occurs when urine involuntarily enters the vaginal vault. Why does this happen so much in Nigeria? Because the children giving birth are too small. Their pelvises are still too narrow. It’s a good thing these girls are considered “precious.” That helps a lot.
A 12 year-old in Pakistan was forced to marry a 60 year-old man. (Source: http://bulletinoftheoppressionofwomen.com/category/child-marriage/page/2/)

A 12 year-old in Pakistan was forced to marry a 60 year-old man. (Source: http://bulletinoftheoppressionofwomen.com/category/child-marriage/page/2/)

Forced marriage in the British Muslim community is also out-of-control, with at least 8000 per year in England alone. In many of these cases, young girls, barely teenagers, are forced to marry men at least twice their age, which is a dream compared to those who must marry men three or four times older. Refusal to marry these men can result in an honor attack.

A heroin-dealing Muslim in the UK became so infuriated with his wife for wanting an education, he subjected her to a year of “hell,” telling her that married women don’t do this, apparently equating it to some sort of lewd behavior. He forced her to wear a niqab, a face veil, but this was not enough. After she didn’t smile while with the family for Eid, he beat her. His subsequent beatings included ripping her tongue, kicking and punching her, giving her black eyes, keeping tabs on her via her cell phone, accusing her of cheating, etc. The abuse continued even after she got pregnant, and their baby was delivered prematurely. Eventually he stabbed her with scissors and hit her with a dumbbell. The assailant was a “devout Muslim.”

This is not an isolated case. Stories like this one are all too common in the Muslim world and are not contained only in Muslim countries. This case took place in the UK, but it could have been in France, Sweden, Australia, the United States or in any Muslim community around the world.

The precious women of Iran are allowed to get an education, but as a senior cleric has recently stated, if they are not dressed “properly,” their grades should reflect that. He calls for stricter regulations of women’s Islamic attire, saying, “If her veiling is bad, don’t let her into the university and let her feel it in her grade. This is not troublesome. Start here! If you put someone at the university gate and tell students that if they don’t observe proper veiling it would affect their grades, they would certainly pay heed.”
Would you like to swim in this? Must be fun wearing all black in the hot sun. Photo: Hatem Moussa / AP Photo (http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/russia-bombing-bikini-clad-women-to-enforce-sharia-dress-codes/)

Would you like to swim in this? Must be fun wearing all black in the hot sun. Photo: Hatem Moussa / AP Photo (http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/russia-bombing-bikini-clad-women-to-enforce-sharia-dress-codes/)

Saudi Sheikh Salah al-Luhaydan has another suggestion for the “precious jewels” that are Muslim women: do not drive. Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive, but this sheikh explains the reasoning behind it. Believe it or not, driving “damages a woman’s ovaries and pelvis.” It is actually a “health risk.” That’s right, a health risk. Why getting in the passenger seat is less of a “health risk” must be some kind of a miracle. Driving is so unhealthy for women, according to the skeikh, it could even affect her unborn babies. In fact, if Saudi Arabia were to allow it, more women and men would turn to homosexuality and pornography. These comments were based on a “scientific” study done by Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council alongside a former professor at King Fahd University. The study also “found” that allowing women to drive could result in prostitution and divorce.

Prostitution however, is already a part of the Muslim world and has nothing to do with driving. A new report from an NGO states that there are over 100,000 sex slaves in Turkey, and half of them are children. And while Muslims from around the world have been travelling to Syria to join the fight of the Al-Qaeda linked rebels, underage Tunisian girls have also done their part to “help the cause.” They’ve been sent to sexually satisfy these jihadis and have returned pregnant. Nothing more than a prostitution ring, this is another prime example of how Islam treats its precious jewels.

Ibn Warraq explains the basis for demeaning women in Islam. Beginning with the concept of Eve, the first woman, as a temptress who set the stage. Warraq writes, “Modern Muslim commentators interpret certain verses to show that guile, deceit, and treachery are intrinsic to a woman’s nature. Not only is she unwilling to change, she is by nature incapable of changing – she has no choice…”

Quranic verses expose the truth about women in Islam:

4.11. Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females.

4.34. Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart; and scourge (beat) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.
Malala Yousufzai was shot for speaking out against the Taliban. At just 14, she struggles for children's and women's rights. (Source: http://www.malala-yousafzai.com/)

Malala Yousufzai was shot for speaking out against the Taliban. At just 16, she struggles for children’s and women’s rights. (Source: http://www.malala-yousafzai.com/)

Warraq explains that in Islam, a man is allowed to beat his wife if she refuses to make herself beautiful for him; refuses to meet his sexual demands; leaves the house without permission or without any legitimate reason recognized by law; or neglects her religious duties.

Having to walk around like a blob, covered head-to-toe; getting their clitoris carved out and getting sewn almost completely shut; being denied an education or the right to work in a “gender mixing” job; verbal, physical and sexual abuse; running the risk of getting killed for any number of horrific “crimes” such as looking at a boy, talking to men on the street if they aren’t relatives, wearing Western clothing, not wearing a hijab, having a boyfriend, refusing to marry a stranger, getting raped… If this is what “precious” means, I’m glad I’m not so precious.

By: Rachel Molschky

Are you still there Sam and Eleonora?
 

Stan B (123)
Friday June 13, 2014, 3:29 am
BTW Sam. In Israel rapists like Katsav go to prison. In Muslim countries they go to the movies.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday June 13, 2014, 4:03 am
Stan,

Your inhumanity mirrors that of a rapist. You seem to be celebrating the rape of a woman because she belongs to a certain religion.

While I have problems with all organized religions, your bigoted views are hard for you to hide.

Your fixation on Islam is troubling. It took just three minutes to research and post a 1,735-word article. You’re certainly way more prolific than Mark Twain.

So being the objective observer that you are, Stan, why don’t you enlighten us about all the indecent acts you come across in the Old Testament. And you’re welcome to take twice as much time to do it.

Why is it that you take an inhuman act and try to politicize for your personal, sick reasons? It’s not enough that a woman was raped, but she has to be raped again by you as you expose your indifference to her plight and to women in general.

You are no different than the beast who rapes women or the coward bystander who witnesses rape and does nothing about it.

Do you want me to tell you about the rabbis who raped and assaulted women in New Jersey?

How does that solve the problem of rape? Rape is rape. The issue is to fight it. Look for ways to prevent it and alleviate the suffering of its victims. Exploiting the victims--especially, rape victims—is nothing to be proud of, Stan.

What don’t you drag your bigoted, hateful self to that petition site you were directed to by Eleonora? Maybe that will give you a chance to prove your humanity, if that’s at all possible!
 

fly bird (26)
Friday June 13, 2014, 8:17 am
Stan's response, as far as I am concerned, is rife with bigotry and lack of compassion. It is far from supportive of women, regardless of the statements made.
As a woman, I find his remarks hypocritical and disingenuous, with little real regard for women.
This fixation on demonizing Islam is a sorry example of the same hate and prejudice that some have demonstrated toward other groups, including Jews - and is transparently so - regardless of efforts to disguise it as otherwise.

A person's human rights and worth do not become less worthy because one belongs to one group or another, or because someone feels the need to use personal calamities to, repeatedly, target and smear people of one particular group out of personal hostility, fear and ignorance.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday June 13, 2014, 11:55 am
Respect to him (President Al-Sisi) for doing that.. Let us hope he can protect the women of Egypt and bring the guilty men, who shame their country, their religion and their sex, to justice.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 1:25 pm

Hi Stan - you made my day and I won my bet; thanks a lot for the free dinner I get now - LOL!

The bet was that it'll take you 10 Minutes (me), half an hour or 1 hour to come up with a reply only the e-brigade can deliver. I was the closest but even I didn't think of 3 Minutes only. Chapeau!

Yet you failed in all your "honest disgust" about Islam to answer my question which I post again for you:

"... given the fact that in the USA (a Christian country by all means with a 0.8% of Muslim population) every 2 MINUTES a sexual assault occurs and that in India (a Hindu country with roughly 15% of Muslims) EVERY HOUR a woman is killed (not even talking about rape anylonger) ... your fixation of Islam seems a bit odd, wouldn't you say?

Or is it that you don't like American and Indian women and, therefore, don't give a ... about them?! Just wondering ... as I never read anything by you equally condemning Christianity and/or Hinduism ... "

You guys are to be pittied as you don't seem to have a life - but I hope the pay check is rewarding enough to keep things balanced ...!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 1:33 pm

Oops - it should naturally read "10 Minutes (me) up to half an hour ..." otherwise I wouldn't have won the bet - LOL!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday June 13, 2014, 2:06 pm
Stan may turn out to be a moneymaker for you, Eleonora!

And those pesky questions are not covered by Rachel Molschky yet, so how do you expect him to answer them? He may have her bigotry, but not her “wisdom.”
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 13, 2014, 4:01 pm
Well you know Sam ... I thought he'd come up with something like ... that he deeply cares for them too (although not like he cares for the Muslim women!) and naturally condemns these crimes ... or something like that ... after all IMO he is just a crony of the islamophobic e-brigade and I think as such "harmless". He has a dog as Avatar so he can't be all bad ... LOL.

PS Do you reckon he is going to ask for a commission??
 

fly bird (26)
Friday June 13, 2014, 5:41 pm
Touche, Eleonora. You hit the nail on the head!
The points you raised really stand out. Hats off!
 

Stan B (123)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 12:48 am
Eleonora. I'm pleased you won your bet; just very surprised you could find someone prepared to take you out for dinner.

Ros G. Your pathetic comments touched a new low and, if they reflect your level of intellect, I suggest you stop procrastinating and complete Grade 8.

Sam H Your sanctimonious claptrap doesn't impress me one jot. You obviously find it difficult dealing with facts so here's a few more about the way the cult you are obsessed with defending regards its women.

FACT #1: The Qur’an allows (or, perhaps, commands) men to beat their wives into subservience. If a wife doesn’t listen to her husband, the husband should admonish her. If that doesn’t work, he is to make her sleep in a separate bed. However, if the wife still doesn’t respect her husband’s authority, even after she has been banished to another bed, the husband is told to physically punish her. Consider three translations of the following verse:

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret what Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.[7]

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.[8]

Men are the protectors And maintainers of women, Because Allah has given The one more (strength) Than the other, and because They support them From their means. Therefore the righteous women Are devoutly obedient, and guard In (the husband’s) absence What Allah would have them guard. As to those women On whose part ye fear Disloyalty and ill-conduct, Admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); But if they return to obedience, Seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).[9]

Muslim translators have struggled with this passage and have sought ways to water down its clear meaning. For instance, Ali adds the word "lightly" to his translation, which doesn’t occur in the original Arabic. However, even if we allow Ali to tone down the parts of the Qur’an he finds offensive, the verse still allows husbands to beat their wives. Hence, according to God’s last and greatest prophet, spousal abuse is permissible, and perhaps even required. Modern nations that have established laws against spousal abuse are therefore in direct violation of Allah’s command in the Qur’an.

FACT #2: According to Muhammad, women lack common sense because their minds are deficient. Of course, this declaration didn’t go unchallenged. To his credit, Muhammad allowed women to question him about their intellectual deficiencies. His response to these questions was illuminating:

[Muhammad said]: O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense.[10]

The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said: "Yes." He said: "This is because of the deficiency of her mind."[11]

Notice here that, in the first passage, Muhammad justifies his claim that women lack common sense by stating that their testimony is worth half that of a man. Yet, in the second passage, Muhammad justifies his claim that the testimony of women is half as good as men’s testimony by stating that women have deficient minds. This is a classic example of circular reasoning. We can imagine a conversation between Muhammad and a more critical questioner:

Questioner: "O Muhammad! Why is Hell full of women?"
Muhammad: "Because they lack common sense!"
Questioner: "How do you know they lack common sense?"
Muhammad: "Their lack of common sense can be seen from the fact that their testimony is only half as good as a man’s testimony."
Questioner: "But why is their testimony half as good as a man’s?"
Muhammad: "Because of the deficiency of their minds!"
Questioner: "How do you know that their minds are deficient?"
Muhammad: "The deficiency of their minds can be seen from the fact that their testimony is worth half the testimony of a man."
Questioner: "Again, why is their testimony half as good?"
Muhammad: "Because their minds are deficient!"
Questioner: "Maybe the only thing deficient here is your argument."
Notice also that Muhammad’s claims here are falsifiable. That is, they can be tested and, in theory, disproved. We could easily set up an experiment to see whether Muhammad’s statements about the inferiority of a woman’s intellect are correct. We could also set up an experiment in which a group of men and a group of women each witness the same accident. If the testimonies gathered from the male group are twice as accurate as the testimonies taken from the female group, Muhammad’s statements will have been vindicated. On the other hand, if the reports from the two groups are similar, we can dismiss Muhammad’s ideas as the sexist comments of a man affected by cultural biases.

FACT #3: Muhammad offered women little hope for the afterlife. Indeed, he clearly states that most of the inhabitants of hell are women who were ungrateful to their husbands (though he never suggests that ungrateful husbands will receive similar punishment[12]). This means that, after being admonished, banished to a separate bed, and beaten by her husband, a willful woman can look forward to an eternity in hell:

The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "I saw paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked: "O Allah’s Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds."[13]

[Muhammad said], "O women! Give to charity, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women." The women asked, "O Allah’s Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He said: "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious man astray."[14]

However, even if these women were to stop cursing and to start thanking their husbands, their prospects for the afterlife would still leave much to be desired. According to Muhammad, Muslim women can look forward to an eternity of standing in corners, waiting for men to come and have sex with them:

Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them."[15]

Hence, good Muslim women who respect their husbands in this life will have the opportunity to continue their sexual service to their husbands in "Paradise." Apparently, Muhammad considered this to be an appropriate view of Paradise; many women would rightly disagree.

FACT #4: The Qur’an permits Muslims to have sex with their female captives and slaves (i.e. those "whom their right hands possess"). As the Muslim armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from God to guide them in their treatment of their female captives:

The Believers must (Eventually) win through—Those who humble themselves In their prayers; Who avoid vain talk; Who are active in deeds Of charity; Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined To them in the marriage bond, Or (the captives) whom Their right hands possess—For (in their case) they are Free from blame.[16]

Not so those devoted To Prayer—Those who remain steadfast To their prayer; And those in whose wealth Is a recognized right For the (needy) who asks And him who is prevented (For some reason from asking); And those who hold To the truth of the Day Of Judgement; And those who fear The displeasure of their Lord—For their Lord’s displeasure Is the opposite of Peace And Tranquility—And those who guard Their chastity, Except with their wives And the (captives) whom Their right hands possess—For (then) they are not To be blamed.[17]

The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we find Muslims perplexed about what to do with their captives. It wasn’t long before Allah sent a revelation allowing the confused soldiers to sleep with the women:

Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (4:24)" (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda period came to an end).[18]

We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.[19]

We went out with Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."[20]

Jabir bin Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.[21]

The Muslims had originally refrained from having sex with their captives because they were the wives of polytheists; nevertheless, God sent a message saying that they were free to have sex with the women. Modern Muslims believe that this sexual intercourse would only have occurred after marriage, but this view is clearly false. Muhammad’s followers said that they wanted to have sex with the women but that they still wanted to sell them. They asked Muhammad about performing coitus interruptus, but Muhammad answered that it doesn’t really matter. All children who are destined to be born will be born, so it doesn’t matter if a man practices coitus interruptus or not.

Thus, the Qur’an permits men to have sex with their female captives (whose husbands were sometimes still alive[22]), and the Hadith provides examples of when this was practiced. Yet we must follow this fact through to its logical conclusion. The Muslims decided to have sex with their captives, whom they were later going to sell. These captives were women whose husbands and families had been exterminated by the Muslims. Would these women gladly consent to sexual intercourse with the men who had killed their families? Probably not. But since the Qur’an and Muhammad authorized sex with these captives, it is highly probable that Muhammad allowed Muslims to rape their captives.

I know there's some long words in this Sam but you should be able to work out the gist and the attitudes of Islam to women. Raping women is not only sanctioned in the Qur'an, it's positively encouraged.
 

Gillian M (218)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 8:22 am
First of all I am delighted to hear that Sisi has made such a statement and hope that it is followed through properly and this is not just words. This is a great improvement on Morsi and his attitude.

Sadly, other Muslim controlled countries have such laws and they are ignored. There are also the majority which have Sharia law where women have no rights at all. Girls are married off at the age of 8 years old and one poor little girl died in fear and terrible pain on her wedding night in the Lebanon. Try this story which is available from Amazon, My name is Nujood, age 10 and divorced. I have lent this to many people in various family and childrens' services.

My concern is also for Christians because the Egyptians, and other Muslim controlled countries, use and abuse them without fear of any retribution. I have posted any number of stories about very young Christian girls, aged 3 or 4, who have been raped by Muslims and the police just didn't care. In fact, none of you have been interested in such stories, so no interest in Christian suffering? Many, after their rape are forcibly converted and married to their rapists, nice one. Then there are other sufferings such as Aisa Bibi.

Then we look at Meriam in Sudan who is to be stoned to death because she was never a Muslim but a Muslim court decided otherwise.

Yes, some girls who are not Muslims are married off young in POOR countries but not at the age of 8 years, this happens in the West too with no good reason. Nor should they be but, proportionately, the number is far less.

Yes, abuses happen in the West but the major difference is that we will send such people to prison. We do not have a religion that allows us to sexually abuse baby girls from birth and with instructions on how to do so.

As for India, there are many people who are working to change the attitude of what happens there and I support Naresh as he works there for girls (and animal welfare).

So, although this story sounds good, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 1:48 pm

Hi Stan - do you reckon that ad hominem attacks get you off the hook - LOL? Don't worry - we got your number as well as the one of the e-brigade a long time ago ... so don't bother.

If you or your friends ever run out of sources to bash Islam (or other religions if it ever should occur to you that there are others) I can help you out. But if I may give you and advice: don't copy-paste from the known Islamophobic sites as one can find them all over the net and repeated ad nauseam - I can give you some real good ones which at first appear sincere with some spicy stuff if you're interested.



 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 1:51 pm

Ros, my dear friend - you and I should have made a bet with someone, what do you think? We would have won hands down - LOL. Our expectations were more than met - :-). There are still 2 of them missing though - do you think they're enjoying their weekend break? Do you reckon they'll show up Monday too and recite ... the Torah or the Bible for a change?! What a load of baloney. Stay safe!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 2:16 pm

A bit off topic but worth mentioning: I often wonder whether Persil or Ariel washes whiter if I read (beautified) statements like this: "Yes, some girls who are not Muslims are married off young in POOR countries but not at ..."

Those of us who truly care for such causes and not just superficially for the goal of demonizing someone or a religion know the facts on the ground i.e. with respect to India (which is a side issue here and where neither Stan nor his assistant can find an answer) that according to UNICEF, "47% of the girls are married by 18 years of age, and 18% are married by 15 years of age. These marriages are often performed without the consent of the girls involved in the marriage." Note that in India the marriage age for girls is 18 and for boys 21.

How these numbers - in other words half of the marriages - can amount to "some" fails me ... but then again ... is it Persil or Ariel?

~*~*~*~

Back to the topic: last update regarding these sexual assault cases is that "Egypt's top prosecutor referred Saturday 13 men to trial for attempted rape and assault of women". More details see http://www.mail.com/int/news/world/2916660-egypt-sends-13-to-trial-sexual-violence.html#.1258-stage-subhero1-1.

Today we had a number of demonstrations by women and men protesting the harassment of women - it was quite interesting to see the mix of the society protesting; at least the one out here where we live had quite a big number of seemingly "uneducated" men who are all too readily blamed for such behaviour which is not true but an easy way out.

 

Stan B (123)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 6:34 pm
Eleonora. Your hypocrisy and double standards are so blatant I sometimes wonder if you're a real person.
You, Sam and Ros chose to have a personal pop at me and when I replied in kind you accuse me of ad hominem attacks. That's a bit rich even by your standards. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
I'm going to leave you in peace on this one but will be be more than happy to try to enlighten you again on some other thread.
Incidentally, be careful when you're walking home from the restaurant. They don't have any laws in Egypt to deal with sexual harassment against women. Amazing but not surprising.
 

Stan B (123)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 6:37 pm
Ge. Great post but you're wasting your time trying to educate this lot with facts. Green star on its way to you.
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday June 14, 2014, 10:11 pm
Ge: "
My concern is also for Christians because the Egyptians, and other Muslim controlled countries, use and abuse them without fear of any retribution. I have posted any number of stories about..."

Where is the concern for Palestinian Christians (and Arabs) used and abused without fear of any retribution in Israel and West Bank, one wonders.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday June 15, 2014, 12:47 am

Geez Stan - Tell me were I dish out (first) and if I owe an apology I will gladly and sincerely do that. You may remember your initial statement showing all of your "empathy and compassion" leave alone profound knowledge ... : "In fact women don't seem to respected in any Muslim country."? While there's plenty to do in these countries such a generalisation just doesn't cut it nor is it true. If you don't know it then inform yourself.

"Incidentally, be careful when you're walking home from the restaurant. They don't have any laws in Egypt to deal with sexual harassment against women. Amazing but not surprising."

It seems you can't bring yourself to even read about these dreadful countries, can you? Egypt has the death penalty for terrorist acts, murder and RAPE; the law has been ammended a few weeks ago to make sexual harrassment a punishable crime too with fines and prison sentences up to five years in extreme cases (rape not included). Part of it you could read in Jess' comment above.

Now compare this to the rape stats of the US where 97% of the rapists never spend one single day in jail (http://www.rainn.org/statistics). Just sayin' ...

So far 13 have been arrested and will be brought to trial. Another trial of a 3 guys who harrassed a woman in Nasr City will open today. The new President really seems to mean business - we'll see how serious the Gov is in the long run.

No Stan - it is not done with copy-paste actions and a few words strung together ... at least not if you want to be taken serious. Copy-pasting half of any holy book (like the e-brigade is known for) doesn't cut it and horror stuff can be found in all three of them; that will always be seen as what it is: utter and cheap propaganda. I mean ... there's a whole list about crimes which are punishable by stoning in Judaism (that's were the origin is) - would this help anything (other than the good knowledge that this is abolished)? No.

Equally it doesn't serve re Islam as there are thankfully two countries only and the northern region of Nigeria which still have this form of punishment for MEN and women; of which one has since 2007 a moratorium in place. Pakistan and Afghanistan don't have this punishment in their law codex but there are the odd cases - which then make world headlines. Rightfully so I shall ad.

Having said that we in the "West" are shocked when we hear about stoning to death because it's IMO the most cruel way of executing someone. But how big is the difference really at the core of the matter in comparison to hanging (the longest execution was 23 Min if memory serves me right) or the gas chamber, the electric chair or the lethal injection ... which made recently headlines too? Maybe it's worth once to reflect on that?

As Ros said so precisely: "... can't tar them all with the same brush...". This goes for everybody on this planet.

Have a great day ... and your dog really looks cute!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday June 15, 2014, 12:57 am

There's something missing here - it should read:

... (rape not included see death penalty) ... Sorry
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 16, 2014, 6:36 am
For the Islamists, the status of a woman is close to the status of the horse: both are their property, that can be beaten and have to obey their owner.

Hopefully, Sisi will address the root cause of this problem, which means Islamist extremism, flourishing in Egypt. He arrested a whole bunch of Muslim Brotherhood people and fight Hamas. These are all good steps in the right direction. But will he be consistent enough to change the lifestyle of so many Egyptians?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday June 17, 2014, 12:41 am

To Bob – I always enjoy reading comments like yours which must have as a preamble that the root of all evil is Islam. Great job. Now … what do you think how anyone with a sane mind and without hateful predisposition to any (other) religion would feel if the same were done re Christianity and Judaism? Or Hinduism? Or any other believe? How would you assess such a person?

Re our topic – you claim that the root of the problem is Islamist extremism which is flourishing in Egypt – according to you which shows that you’re missing out big parts of the real picture on the ground.

Let’s assume for the sake of the argument that you’re right … how do you explain the equally rampant incidents of sexual assaults in the Christian US, Christian Europe, “atheist” China, Hindu India? To cut it short: worldwide?

Do you truly want to lay this at the doorsteps of Islamists/Islam too?

A side note I’d like to place here to get the context right: the Islamists (whatever that entails as it is an intentionally rubbery term) are the very same ones which are courted and received by the White House since 2005 and pushed into power in Egypt in 2012; the same in Lybia, Tunesia and so on. They are the very same people who PM Cameroon some 6 weeks ago called “a minority worth of our protection”. They are the very same people who were/are trained in Turkey by US and IL commanders, funded and armed by the US via various chanels and wreck havoc in Syria and now in Iraq as “ISIS(L)”.

Can you put all of this in a logical context? I for one would highly appreciate it – Thanks a lot.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Saturday June 21, 2014, 2:38 pm
When will all off humanity understand we are all interconnected & One united together! Abuse of any kind worldwide should never be tolerated! Thanks Jess.
 

Enoch C. Gould (13)
Thursday July 31, 2014, 1:09 am
It's always nice to see a politician doing the right thing!
Thanks, everyone!
God bless!
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior!
 
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