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Israelis Who Don't Know Occupation Can't Preach to Palestinian Stone-Throwers


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Angelika
- 2221 days ago - forward.com
Only Those Who Have Seen Occupation Can Understand Most Israelis have no idea what it's like to live under occupation. So they shouldn't judge how Palestinians fight back against the occupiers.



   

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Angelika R (143)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 5:00 pm
Last week, veteran Israeli journalist Amira Hass stirred up a controversy in the media here with an op-ed in Haaretz that opens: “Throwing stones is the birthright and duty of anyone subject to foreign rule.” Hass, who has been living and reporting from the occupied Palestinian territories for 20 years, goes on to suggest that Palestinians should develop an educational curriculum on resistance to Israeli occupation that, for example, teaches to distinguish between soldiers as legitimate targets vs. civilians.

It was published just days after an Israeli court convicted a Palestinian of murder for throwing stones at a car in 2011, resulting in the death of the driver and his baby – and was the main argument of those who condemned her and the paper. Some went as far as to accuse her of inciting to violence.

Regardless of what one concludes about the article, or one’s stance on what constitutes legitimate resistance to Israel’s violent and protracted occupation, Hass is an example — albeit somewhat extreme — of an Israeli who has “crossed the line.” She has chosen to be exposed to life under occupation first hand, and thus capable of empathy with the Palestinians. Empathy doesn’t necessarily mean agreement or support, but it does mean having the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. This is something practically impossible for the average Israeli to do, whose only experience in the West Bank, if at all, is either as a soldier, a settler, or maybe a tourist to a historical site.

Most Jewish Israelis will admit the “occupation” is bad, but few have ever gotten a taste of what it feels like to be anywhere near the receiving end of it. To do that you’d have to choose to experience it as a civilian alongside the Palestinian population, confronted with Israeli soldiers or settlers, which almost no Israelis do. No matter how liberal an Israeli you are, if you have not experienced it in some way, first hand, the concept of Israeli occupation has an entirely different meaning to you than someone who has.

This fact separates the majority of Israelis from the tiny minority of activists, journalists and NGO workers who have experienced it. I remember the first time I was in a West Bank village when the IDF entered and started shooting live gunfire. I remember the first time I saw little children in settlements no older than 8 or 9 throwing stones at Palestinians and myself and other Israeli activists; the first time an IDF soldier laid his hands on me and pushed me and repressed my right to protest. I remember being in the Bedouin village Al-Arakib (demolished over 40 times) when dozens of special army forces showed up at dawn in tanks, fully armed, to dismantle the homes of these citizens of Israel.

I remember when IDF soldiers stood and monitored Palestinian youths trying set up a little soccer field in the South Hebron Hills, just to make their presence known. I remember being arrested and watching countless other Palestinians and Israelis being arrested over and over again, for breaking absolutely no laws and causing no one harm.

These are incidents I had to see to believe. Once I experienced the plausibility of incidents that seem so implausible, they became a part of my working assumptions and impacted how I read every news item in the media about life here. I was an anti-occupation leftist before these experiences, but after them, I actually had a cognitive and physical understanding of just a bit of what it is like to be a Palestinian living under Israeli control.

An American journalist friend highly critical of Israel who recently visited the region for the first time told me that until he actually spent time in the West Bank, he found some reports he read back home showing Israel in a bad light so far-fetched that they were hard to believe. For example, a Palestinian detained after being assaulted in Hebron by a settler, who was not detained because, as the policeman explained, it was already the Sabbath. (Yes this happens, it just happened recently).

Most Jewish Israelis either don’t know what the government and army are capable of, or more likely are in denial about what the Israeli occupation is. Without actually spending time in the West Bank, it is impossible to comprehend how much violence Israel inflicts against Palestinians on a daily basis.

Hass’s empathy with the Palestinians’ right to resist Israeli control is deeply rooted in her exposure to and knowledge of the implications of that control, which she has been writing about for two decades. Her article addresses all those Israelis who have not crossed the geographic, ethnic, national, political and cognizant lines to see Israeli occupation with their own eyes. Out of sight really is out of mind, even in this tiny place. This is what ultimately separates the majority of Israeli society from the paucity of citizens who can see her article as an honest depiction of Palestinian life under Israeli rule. Jewish Israelis may have forms of resistance they prefer but it is ultimately not up to us as the occupier to decide how the occupied can resist.


 

Mike S (86)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 6:08 pm
Noted and shared. Thank you for the article Angie.
 

Syd H (48)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 6:09 pm

Thanks for posting this.

Here's a very good, well-done video from the UK's Guardian news that shows a house being taken (stolen) by settlers, and the Israelis who crossed over to protest with the Palestinians who have been displaced yet again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/mar/17/my-neighbourhood-palestinian-israeli-video

More Israelis have to protest. They simply cannot sit idly while people are being abused or they are doing no better than what was done in the holocaust. They are in fact sanctioning abuse. Two wrongs apparently only make a right-wing settler...
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 6:17 pm

Excellent editorial, Angie.

But, I will add that, this lack of clear vision is not limited to just Israelis or Palestinians . . . or even any one group. This same lack of empathy and unwitting ignorance is seen in all societies. (Just look at the differences in attitudes regarding welfare, healthcare, women's rights, etc. in all classes of society in the United States . . . most remarkably, those -- who have the least -- siding with the opinions of the elitist 1%, who would rather have even more taken from those neediest, while they continue to enjoy the advantages of tax loopholes/havens.)

It's baffling how, in this case, people who descended from others who were, themselves, horifically persecuted can fail to see that their leaders' behaviors are very similar to those of their own past oppressors.

 

jo M. (3)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 6:39 pm
Shouldn't everyone be allowed to judge a Palestinian stone-thower who kills a baby and it's parent? Regardless of the circumstances that caused him to throw the stone? Just as many expect us to judge the Israelis who react with violence when Palestinians threaten them? The occupied, may of course, resist however they desire, but they should not whine about the consequences of any violent resistance.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 6:55 pm
I refuse to believe that they "fail" to see and recognize their own and/ or their leaders' wrong, they probably do see and know this but yet accept it as the way of the least trouble. Any resistance or protest is tied to a certain inconvenience at the very least- they are simply avoiding that. A and dangerous mixture of ignorance and laziness and indifference.
True Carole, it is not limited to these particular conflicting peoples.
Syd, thanks so much for adding that video, it is indeed very good. I bookmarked the justvison.org site! Looks like a great endeavor.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 7:15 pm
That video that Syd thankfully left us is in fact worth a separate post, everyone should really see it!
As carole said, the issue is not uniquely to the debated areas and that video has all the keywords in it to serve to encourage folks in the US as well! They certainly have enough to protest against there, too!
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 7:47 pm
Amira Haas on DemocracyNow; April 10, 2013:

Part I.: Israeli Journalist Amira Hass Sparks Furor at Home for Defending Palestinian Right to Resist

Part II.: Israeli Journalist Amira Hass on Palestinian Resistance, "Peace Talks" and U.S. Role in Region
 

JL A (281)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 7:49 pm
Man's inhumanity to man always degrades the victims and denies fundamentals of respect and dignity as components of the human rights every human being deserves.
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 7:54 pm
Inside Israeli prison (10 min):

Flytilla, 2011. 13 British and Irish people were stopped at Tel Aviv airport in July 2011. Five hours later they, and 107 other internationals, were in a high security prison in Israel. Their 'crime' was to state openly that they were traveling onto Palestine for a cultural visit.
An Undercurrents reporter recorded and smuggled out a secret video recording of their six nights locked up in the high security prison in Israel. The video clips shows women scrubbing the prison floors, jail cells slamming, and daily life inside the hot cells. Tense interactions with the Israeli guards were captured.
 

Erin R (181)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 8:02 pm
Thanks for the article.
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 8:27 pm
Thanks for the video, Syd.

My Neighbourhood
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 5:39 am
Thanks so much Jelica for all your contributions here! As for the jail, note how they're pointing out that you're NOT IN ISRAEL when you're in Israeli Givon prison! To me this seems meant to make a clear distinction between the democratic state of Israel they want the world to perceive, and the undemocratic and humiliating treatment you get in one of their prisons while on Israeli soil. - Quite a message!..
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 10:19 am
 
Before I say anything else, I must say this:  "THANK YOU, Syd, for pointing me to the film, My Neighborhoud (and Angie for recommending it)!"
 
What a wonderful film -- definitely worthy of the awards it's already received.
 
To see the devastation through the eyes of a bright 7th grade Palestinian, and witness his transition from innocence, to hatred . . . and then, real understanding that all is not black or white (after seeing a group of Israelis who agree that this behavior is unconscionable) was simultaneously heartbreaking/heartwarming.
 
In the words of the Jewish activist, Josh Strauss:  "My struggle, our struggle, is not against the settlers.  My struggle is against the state."
 
Solidarity against fascism!!!
 
 
 

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 3:58 pm
That's it, Carole! I have a huge list of New Israeli Fund petitions addressing Israeli Government for restrictions of Israelis' civil rights. Like, chicken coming home to nest; repression can never be limited to one group or cause, it spreads like cancer.

NIF Petitions
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 4:41 pm
Thanks Jelica for that petition list. My goodness -what a list and what causes! Looks like we are petitioning a dictatorship! And some things sure look very familiar!
I'm almost done with all except the last 2 or 3, some issues there with sending out the emails.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:09 pm

Thanks for the list, Jelica.

Yes, the more you think about it, we must all realize that -- when we play into the divisive, hate-filled strategy of state-issued propaganda, and based on that, act exactly as they'd hoped -- the only winners are the propagandists, and we are actually defeating ourselves.

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:29 pm

I have signed several of the petitions . . . and am very impressed with the NIF organization. Thank you for promoting awareness, Jelica; and I have been added to their mailing list.

 

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 8:53 pm
Oligarchy set the game, playground, rules and referees. Under their conditions we can't win. Trick is to play their rules to the extreme - when it hurts them; or tweak the game so it only looks regular but outcome is unforeseen. Get creative.

As professionals say: amateurs are dangerous because they are unpredictable.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 9:19 pm

Thank you for that wisdom, Jelica!

There's an old adage: "If you don't like the game . . . buy your own equipment, and start your own."

In this scenario, that's not likely to be an option. First, they control the funds; and are increasingly, making it harder for the bottom of the pyramid to rise to the top. The philosophy of "build a better mousetrap" doesn't apply here either; because -- like a pyramid scheme -- the chance of a better mousetrap will be foiled by the controlling 1% (who will buy the patent and retire it).

Therefore, the only other option I can see is to "stand down." Now, that does NOT mean to discard your principles . . . more appropriately, it means to play the chess game with patience, cunning, skill and insight.

We do NOT have the wealth, government backing, political favor of our opponents -- but we do have knowledge. That is, obviously, dangerous to the PTB, because they attempt to circumvent it at all crossroads.

Recognize that the areas they most often attack are the ones they most fear: knowledge and solidarity.

If we acted in solidarity, we would FAR outnumber them.

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 9:21 pm

Quit "sacrificing" your children for wars of greed. (If there were no more soldiers, there could be no more wars -- which account for more than half of the U.S. budget.)

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 9:28 pm

These wars are imperialistic and are NOT fought to secure U.S. citizens . . . and, when these soldiers (our children, who were merely pawns in the global power hierarchy, after being wounded, and, thus, no longer valuable) return, they are placed on "terrorist lists," denied needed recuperative mental/healthcare . . . and DISCARDED.

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 9:42 pm


REMINDER:


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
 
By Dr. Lawrence BrittSource Free Inquiry.co5-28-3
 
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
 
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
 
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
 
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
 
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespreaddomestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
 
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
 
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common
 
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
 
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
 
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
 
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
 
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
 
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
 
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
 
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
 
 
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 10:09 pm

Just a side note: When I use the term "we," I am speaking of, universally, ALL aware adults who are cognizant of the deceptive tactics conveniently (and monetarily rewardingly) used by their government's representatives, who are traitors to the very tenets of democracy they pretend to protect -- and are, instead, acting on behalf of their corporate sponsors. As a result, they are circumventing the human rights of their own constituents.


 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 10:31 pm

This strategy of "Fear for Obedience" is nothing new.

Being an American, I can recite COUNTLESS times that injustices were performed, while our history books lied about the truth.

Of cource, my first example would be that "Columbus discovered America."

Duh! If he did . . . then how do you explain the people, who had been living there for centuries before?

{"Manifest Destiny" was, yet another, excuse for mass murder).

The tales go on ad nauseum.

Every imperialistic, land grab and rampant slavery of convenently defined "de-humanized" subjects is just one of many examples of the unthinking hypocrisy and apathy of greedy and apathetic soulless individuals who develped capitalism, while always presenting the carrot too far from the hopeless donkeys.

Are we a country of humanity? (Or are we disciples of human trafficking?)

I see no merit to the sanctimonious claims (so often bandied about) of being a direct descendent of a passenger of the Mayflower, when, in future discovery, I find that all lands and rights claimed upon arrival -- and falsely claimed dominion -- denied others who were there before them, and content with their lives, (and unaware of the subterfuse about to deny them of their own rights to remain, and retain, their own culture).

And THIS is not a dissimilar situation!


 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 10:38 pm


“History is written by the victors.” ― Winston Churchill

True! (But our society needs to re-define "victors.")

 

roxy H (350)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:50 am
Ouchie, this hurts my brain.. but most certainly opens it up.. as we should always think about is the victims. Which is usually kids, animals, and innocents. This is what bothers us advocates and keeps us fighting a war that we get really crappy-pay for. Personally, am getting rather mad at the Govt. for targeting the activists and making the laws to arrest us for speaking up for the voiceless. Blah, my friends are standing up and getting those shiny bracelets slapped on them, please be careful everyone. Beginning and have a book and a fund set up to give donations to the ones sitting in the glass houses... its really depressing see'ing the simple list of stuff my friends are asking for...somehow we have to get the world in order.. is there an end to this madness?
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:42 am
Another (Adameer) PETITION - pls SIGN !
Stop Administrative Detention
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:46 am
There is less and less difference here between petitions to US Ccongress/ Obama and the Knesset/ Bibi..
I often wonder if they are co-operating even closer than assumed. Why didn't they just call it NDAA, including most of their bizarre new bills.
 

Mandy A (86)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:58 pm
Good Points, and when you step back and look at the Bills that have been passed, ( has people taken the advice and went and looked?) you will notice some really troubling things. Angelika has made a pretty clear point and it goes much deeper. See the truth through all the lies, its frightening.
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:51 pm
NSA expert: "It's all heading towards a fascist totalitarian state."; video, 8:05

Why We Must Fight to The Death Against The Fascists, Benjamin Fulford; April 10th, 2013
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:54 pm
Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq; 9 December 2003

Local police chiefs head to Israel for antiterror training; October 26, 2011

Max Blumenthal: How Israeli Occupation Forces, Bahraini Monarchy Guards Trained U.S. Police For Coordinated Crackdown On “Occupy” Protests; Investigative Report / December 2, 2011
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:55 pm
US Police Forces Being Israelized; Gordon Duff; August 11th, 2012

Tragedy of US police training by Israeli companies; Sep 24, 2012
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:56 pm
Quincy police chief learning about counterterrorism in Israel; February 1, 2013

German Intel Agency Paid Neo-Nazi Mole $240,000, Gordon Duff; March 16th, 2013
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:01 pm
Israel teaches US police to treat Americans like Palenstinians
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:09 pm
Background:

In February, prominent Iraq War vet/anti-war activist and subject of Phil Donahue's documentary, Body of War, Tomas Young, announced he is ending his nine year losing battle against unbearable, intractable chronic pain due to injuries he sustained just five days after his deployment to Iraq that left him paralyzed from the chest down. Now dependent on a feeding tube, Thomas announced that after celebrating his one year anniversary with his wife, he will begin to wean his body off the liquid nourishment and medications sustaining him and slowly "go away."

Here is a link to a recent 3/21 interview with Tomas on Democracy Now: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/21/exclusive_dying_iraq_war_veteran_tomas

Here is a link to a republication of the letter Tomas wrote to Former President George W. Bush and Former Vice President Dick Cheney on the 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/tomas-young-dying-iraq-war-veteran-writes-last-letter-to-bush-and-cheney-20130320

PLEDGE: Tomas Young - Iraq War Vet/Anti-War Activist: Our Pledge to You:

Dear Tomas,

As citizens of the United States and in honor of your memory, we pledge to work steadfastly to make sure we have a healthcare system that does not allow people in pain to suffer as you have been forced to suffer, and to make certain we elect public servants who do not squander American lives as the Bush administration and the congress serving at that time squandered yours.

We see you. We hear you. We will not remain passive. We will not be silent.

Farewell, Tomas, and thank you.

The Undersigned
 

Robert O (12)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:47 pm
Excellent piece. Thanks Angelika.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:19 pm
Loony leftists and Islamists are at all high. Any nonsense goes, as long it is against Israel. Two posters leave 11 posts each, making the article popular. Another has energy only for 7. Anything goes.

Another post was explaining, why terrorists, who killed running at the Boston marathon, had valid reasons. Here people preaching to throw stones at cars on highways, as something positive.

Yeah, right. But don't try it in US or Canada.

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:32 pm

[Please do not respond to the above purposely-disruptive comment . . . but DO notice that, prior to that remark, rational conversation, that was peace-filled and had positive objectives, was freely exchanged without any ad hominem attacks . . . and more productively, was the prevailing theme in this discussion.]

 

Jelica R (144)
Friday April 19, 2013, 10:53 am
Duly ignored, Carole!

Returning to "Game" we spoke 2 days ago:
On DemocracyNow, Amira Haas told that from the U.S. she was travelling to Latin America to an indigenous gathering. Latin America harbours many vibrant anti-global movements. Their grand entry onto the international scene came after the citizens of Porto Alegre overturned the privatization of local water company and beat the big Business. These people and their struggle is what I found most inspiring, I visit their pages at least once weekly and they send news-letter, too.

Here are some of my favourite movements:

La Via Campesina, the International Peasant's Voice

On the Commons, A commons movement strategy center

Committee for the Abolition of Third World Debt

Declaration of Social Movements Assembly Porto Alegre (RS), Brazil

There are many magazines and institutes which cover global problems and local communities' responses (see, they can open a whole new world for you): Yes Magazine, Amazon Watch, Sutmundo, Post Carbon, Transition towns...

Specialized organizations like The Cornucopia Institute or Beyond Nuclear, are one-issue watchdogs: water, food, nuclear facilities, ...

Finally, many organizations fight for the freedom of the Internet and privacy protection: EFF, Access, La Quadrature du Net...

... this is what I'd call "tweaking the rules"...
 

Robyn Vorsa (4)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:37 pm
Anyone who is having their country stolen and being brutally repressed has the right to fight back. It is sickening how the rest of the world is ignoring what is happening in Palestine.
 

Birgit W (160)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:43 pm
Noted
 

. (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 4:03 pm
"Throwing stones is a birthright?" Between that statement, and the picture, this article was just too stupid to seriuosly consider.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:03 pm
I really don't have much to say except read your Bible old testment,their has never been peace in the Middle
East and never will be.
 

Joy Catalan (95)
Friday April 19, 2013, 11:06 pm
throwing a stone to anybody is never a birthright...one way or the other, this will only trigger provocation with another party thus igniting a collision, a fight or worse a war...since time immemorial, i have not really seen real peace in that area of this globe...i could only hope and pray that soon, that elusive peace will finally come to that place.
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 3:03 am
It"s the 70th anniversary of the Warsaw Gehtto uprising in Poland this year,
and it was also the occupation of Poland, by the Germans....................

Samaria and Judea is Israel not palestine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
West Bank Palestinians can live in peace in Israel Samaria and Judea along with Israeli"s,
and if they don"t like it they can move to Jorden , Gaza.or Saudi Arabia.

Over a million Palestinian Arab Israeli"s live a long side Israeli"s with the same rights,
brake Israeli laws, pay the price,
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:02 am
Sadly Johnlewis H. is misinformed, likely by Israeli right wing propaganda, as there IS NO peaceful living alongside Israelis in the West Bank under oppression.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:17 am
At this point I would also like to remind everyone that the article I posted is NOT by renowned Israeli Journalist Amira Hass and is NOT dealing with the stonethrowing she has justified in her op-ed.
The author, American-Jewish progressiv Zionist Ms Zonszein, rather is shedding a light on the very aspect that this headline expresses and she is not making any judgement about Ms. Hass's views but in fact calls them "somewhat extreme".

 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:37 am
If I may add my own views on a point of the background story to that disputed op-ed in Haarez, which was the Israeli Court decision of convicting that stonestrower with a murder charge, I'd say this:
by any democratic standards of jurisdiction that ruling would be(involuntary) manslaughter, perhaps felony mayhem, but never murder in the first place.
But the world has learned how corrupt and not independent these courts are and how little means of legal defense, plastered with hurdles and obstacles, are left to the Palestinians.
Again, I am NOT defending criminals, be they Palestinians or Israelis or any other, I am merely stating facts.
 

Viola Steinbeck (12)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 10:21 pm
Thank you, Angelika, for this important posting and to Jellica for the informative links.
 
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