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Physicians Speak Out About the Risks and Dangers of Vaccination- H1N1-Video

Health & Wellness  (tags: children, risks, warning, h1n1 vaccine )

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Physicians and health professionals speak out on the risks and dangers of vaccination.


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Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 9:08 am

H1N1-Vaccine-Related Miscarriages (updated October 23, 2010)

Miscarriage Cases
VAERS Database -- Miscarriages
Statistical correction (PDF 74K) -- Based on analysis of data from two different sources...
H1N1 vaccination program contributed to estimated 1,588 miscarriages
and stillbirths among women 17 to 45 years of age.
Press Release (Sep. 17, 2010): CDC allegedly falsifies reports -- (PDF 123K)
ignoring up to 3,587 Miscarriages from H1N1 Vaccine
NCOW presentation of findings to Advisory Committee on Children's Vaccines
(ACCV) Sept 3, 2010 (PDF 48K)
(full transcipt of entire ACCV meeting will be posted on the CDC website)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 9:16 am

Kudos, Elderberry, for posting this most informative video!

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 9:47 am
Spermicides hidden in GMO corn provided to starving Third World populations through the generosity of the Gates’ foundation, Rockefeller Foundation and Kofi Annan’s AGRA or vaccines that contain undisclosed sterilization agents are just two documented cases of using vaccines or GMO seeds to “reduce population.”

Tx Carole....Gotta keep posting .....I'm disgusted at the sneaking H1N1 into "normal" flu many won't know.....

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 9:54 am
Yes, Elderberry is, as I write this, posting even more information on this subject.  Those interested can read them here:

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 10:15 am
Thank you shared with friends and family

patricia l (317)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 10:47 am
It just keeps getting worse and worse. This is insane! You have no recourse if you are damaged by the vaccine.
I don't get the flu vaccine. I got it twice and was deathly sick. I would have been better off with the flu.

Andrea W (21)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 11:13 am
This is so useful, even if it's too late for our family, my son being 24yrs. now, had all his shots as necessary. . .he has been diagnosed with A.D.H.D. many years ago. . .maybe he wouldn't have had it so badly if I had not insisted on vaccines. . .

Amena Andersson (187)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 11:33 am
Thanks, "C".

Janet G (108)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 12:44 pm
Totally aware and against vaccinations, in the EU they are force vaccinating. I have never had a vaccination, I believe this is a very well planned way of killing the population off and one that won't be noticed by many. I just received this as I was sending a friend info about these vaccinations, and yes, this is very real, the side effects may not rear their ugly head for years but no doubt will and are as I write this. Vaccinations are the biggest pandemic of our time. Here is something to watch:

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 1:31 pm
TY Carole x

Sandrea S (278)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 1:41 pm
Andrea...don't blame yourself. You don't know for sure.....hugs to you and your son and family.
Very timely info, since they are giving us shots, in November, at work.
Thank you Elderberry for posting, and Carole for spreading.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 1:51 pm

It was my pleasure to circulate this story. Not only was did it contain an impressive list of spokespeople, but I am glad it also informed people of their right to refuse the injection.

(If you will remember, during the pandemic scare, there was widespread talk of government mandates.)

John F (52)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 2:26 pm
It's not as if we aren't going to have interminable repetition.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 2:56 pm

"Olde Phartte." (Pretty clever!)


Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 3:07 pm
I've read some about the history of vaccines relative to the rise and decline of epidemic diseases... from what I gather, the majority of vaccines have been useless, as the diseases the vaccines were created for were already on the decline, in some cases due to gained immunity, in some cases due to improved hygeine, food, clean water, etc. Breastfeeding is probably the best immune-booster there is. BUT - Big Pharma can not get a patent on that, can they? Shucks... Anyone still think Bill Gates is a philanthropist?

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 3:12 pm
From John's site: "The Church of God-Given Common Sense and Vigilance Against Corporate-Goverment Criminals and Related Demons"?! ROFLMAO! John, consider me a member! :)

Michael C (217)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 3:25 pm
Noted, and thanks for this information...I think the Government, has used as all as Guinea Pigs, one time or another...I don't trust them, in the least...And my them, I mean the people who are the real Government, not the ones pretending to be our leaders...When I was in the Military, in boot camp, they injected us with different type viruses, cold viruses we were told, and were ordered, to not get under the covers when we went to sleep that night, and they turned the AC down, it was so cold, and of course everyone got sick from something they injected us with...They told us they did that so they could see how our bodies reacted, to the viruses...

patricia l (317)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 3:41 pm
The Olde Phartte blog is a wonderful source of info for people questioning whether or not to have yourself or children vaccinated with the latest vaccine.
They tried to force it on the nursing profession last year in NY State. The Nurse's union won that round.
Both times I was vaccinated, it was mandated by my employer, many years ago. Both times were during a swine flu scare.

Charlie L (47)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 3:55 pm
Thank you Elderberry and Just Carole. Great! I just got my shots today. Hope I don't get ill.
I wasn't able to hear much on the video because of the coffee house music. I'll have to watch it again later. I believe Jan g. could be on the right track. Things that most of us would have believed were unthinkable not many years ago now seem not only possible but rather likely. Think about. Right wing politicians feign concern about how they are going to fund social security and medicare. What they are really worried about is how they will fund those programs without paring down their own generous paychecks and benefits. Bush tried to get rid of social security by privatizing it. Failing that, perhaps the righties have conspired to thin out the population of retirees so that the government won't have to pay out as much in social security benefits. I'm sure many will say that's too scary to even think about, but considering how corrupt our government is and how closely tied it is to greedy corporations it certainly seems possible.

Rhonda Maness (580)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 4:27 pm
Thanks Elderberry and Just C

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 4:59 pm
Charlie, plze take a look at this great site inc" What To Do if You are Forced to Take Swine Flu Shot " lots of advice.

Thanx for your comment.

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 5:06 pm
Michael thanx for your comment. You are so right.

Evelyn Z (300)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 5:29 pm
The 1st & LAST time I had a flu vaccine was in 1992 = and only because I was required to while in the health care field = sick for an entire month, more so than any other time in my entire life. Vowed "NEVER AGAIN" - Have advised friends & family, but they just won't believe what I say about this or info I share all these years.

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 5:37 pm
Thanx Lyn for sharing your experience. My husband also was ill coughing for ages after flu jab, 2 years later he tried again and same result.

Elderberry T (201)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 5:47 pm
Plz remove

Pat B (356)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 5:50 pm
Sometimes I believe that getting the flu is better off than the vaccination. That way, the immune system in one's body can ward off the flu naturally. Yes, one would get sick, but also think of the shot and what it does to one's body. I work w/children every single day at school, and haven't gotten the flu yet. Knock on wood...(knocking on my head). Thank you, Elderberry for this post/video, and of course...Carole for the foward.

Jill P (64)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 8:35 pm
Childhood vaccines often cause the illenss they are supposed to prevent. Others have not really been proven to prevent the illnesses.
They have shown that many have caused autism and other problems for children and even years later as adults.
ADD is a form of autism, so I was told by a physician against childhood vaccines.
Andrea, he told me they have done some good things using chelates. Good brand chelates, he told me, have even made some incredible improvements for some people with autism. It is never too late to use them.
They take out heavy metals in your body. Metals found in our vaccines. It may not have been the vaccines Andrea but we are exposed to heavy metals all the time, even from the pots and pans we use for cooking. It certainly is a consideration for all of us. I need to look at some at my health food store myself.

Melissah C (389)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 9:37 pm

Kathy C (354)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 10:28 pm
Dr. Ann Blake Tracy is a hero of mine:)

Dr. Ann Tracy -- Whistleblower On Psychiatric Drugs

Kathy C (354)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 10:30 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Just because you have done so within the last week.
Thank you for the forward Carole

. (0)
Wednesday October 27, 2010, 10:42 pm
I've had all the usual vaccines and get the flu shot yearly. Whether the fact that I've never had influenza is due to the vaccine or to other unrelated factors is unknown, of course. It's caused soreness at the injection site for a day or two on a few occasions, but no other side effects (though it certainly has other, more serious, known side effects, as do all drugs.) Though I'm less concerned about getting the flu vaccine than I am about others (during the time I was heavily involved in wildlife rescue and working directly with shelter animals on a regular basis, I definitely got the pre-exposure rabies vaccine.)

Agnes H (144)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 12:21 am
I have ALL the vaccines also the H1N1 Vaccine. I have the flu shot every year and just had the Pneumonia vaccine. I haven't had any side effects apart from being a bit sore like Lindsey but I've had all the juvenile vaccines that were around when I was young and my children had all the vaccines with no ill effects and the same goes for my grandchildren! I think this tape is just a bit scare mongering although I DO believe some children can and are allergic to some of the ingredients that could be in the vaccines! Just because my family had no ill effects doesn't mean others won't but at the same time I believe that are only a few! Of course I can't speak for the USA. But I haven't had the flu since I started getting the vaccine! And I wouldn't show this video to any young mum either!
I know some religions stop Vaccines just like blood transfusions. My daughter had been giving blood to the bloodbank here in Australia ever since she was old enough to do so and then after nearly 9 yrs she had to fill in a form and was told she couldn't give blood because she was in England around the time of the Mad Cow disease. It never bothered them before but all of a sudden some person found out it MIGHT be in the blood and it MIGHT do this or that she couldn't do it anymore whereas we never lived anywhere near the district where the disease was found!

Ian M (79)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 12:29 am
The WORLD is being poisoned with vaccines that either cause the diseases they purport to protect against (mostly in Third World, primitive places), cause miscarriages and sterilize the survivors, or that cause heavy metal and immune system damage plus sterilization and miscarriage. Since 1974 the National Policy of the US has been "depopulation" of countries, especially Third World, that have resources we want, need or will want or need, places with large populations of "inferior human types" like blacks (this includes in the US - HIV/AIDS are both patented in the US, and people with African ancestry catch it MUCH easier - it's a target set of viruses). This National Policy was formulated by Henry Kissinger and his group, and remains our policy, except it's been altered in practice. We are now participating in the "elites" depopulation policy aiming at killing off 90% of the human race. 6.5 billion people are just too many to control easily. Anyway, that change targets far more of the US, and supposedly they intend to allow about 70,000 Americans to survive. The compounds they're planning on are on the East coast, with the rest of the country closed to human occupation - except for the chosen homes of the "elites" of course. What appalls me are the numbers of regular people who are willing to work towards this obscene goal! And the numbers who are totally oblivious despite all the poisons in absolutely everything being marketed in this country by large corporations.


Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 7:09 am
People have been warned about this but you can't push rope.
If you take the shots you are doing so at your own risk
with no legal help available to you if things go wrong.
If you want to play Russian Roulette it would be safer to go to Vegas.

Eva Ries (237)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 8:38 am

H1N1 is a mutation created by humans due to our forcible incarceration of other creatures in internment and concentration camps - I will not mince words here or sugar-coat this for anyone because of your "feelings" or "choices" about forcing other creatures to suffer and die merely so that any human can conveniently consume those creatures. This likely could have been avoided as the the original virus was carried in select wildlife and didn't mutate and spread until recently.

Moreover, the number of humans who contracted it is NEGLIBLE and constitutes part of the natural cull of any species, especially ours. Not many people died of this infection world-wide, and there's too many circumstances causing people to question why the appearance of H1N1 was sensationalized to scare people, bully them into taking vaccines which are dangerous and poorly produced (and on the backs of animals, too, so it's COMPLETELY inhumane), and then which were in curious "short supply" because there are only around 4 corporations to produce the drug (and who control the patent) and therefore, the supply. Sounds to me like someone trying to drum up business for themselves through scare tactics and lies.

Barbara D (70)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 10:35 am
Thanks, Carole, for this information. Seems like the "healthier" Americans get, the worse off we are. Follow the money...

Barbara D (70)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 10:36 am
Thanks Carole *and* Elderberry!

Ian M (79)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 1:46 pm
"Sounds to me like someone trying to drum up business for themselves through scare tactics and lies. "

Soon enough, because the results of the vaccines are often deadly, that dovetails with the "elites' ordered depopulation program, so I think we can expect squalene-adjuvabted vaccines being made mandatory, first with a fine and maybe jail time, then, or eventually, with a cop or a soldier at your door saying, "Gimme your arm or take a little train ride". That would be to a giant Petri dish called a FEMA camp. Or maybe you'd just get shot. Hellofa choice: mercury and squalene poisoning or instant lead poisoning. I've already chosen: those of the enemy you take with you are your honor guard in Hell. I have no desire to go alone.



. (0)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 3:45 pm
Way too much hyperventilating going on here.j

And Ian? I rather think that with only 70,000 Americans remaining (especially once you deduct the American 'elites' and their families as well as all the non-elite babies and young children who'll be of no immediate use to our overlords), there would hardly be enough Americans left to maintain and run the American infrastructure. American 'elites' are going to live very deprived lives if they expect only a few tens of thousands of Americans to handle the day-to-day running of this nation. Guess they could always import some non-elites from other countries; however, that would leave those other countries' 'elites' seriously deprived of their slaves as well.

And if the 'elites' are going to kill off 90% of the world's population, I wonder why they dislike Americans so much - since proportionally they're supposedly going to kill off far more than 90% of us (70,000 remaining Americans out of 310,584,568 current American population means they'll be killing off all but .000225% of the U.S. population - very nearly 100% of us being killed.) The 'elites' must REALLY dislike Americans......


Elderberry T (201)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 4:08 pm
Cary You are so right. Thanx for your most important point..... "with no legal help available to you if things go wrong" !

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 6:16 pm
Hi Lindsey, in Ian's defense you should take his message a little more seriously.
The laboratories have been very busy as of late creating untested poisons
for people to put in their bloodstreams with an every man for themselves attitude
when things go horribly wrong.

Right now in the gulf of Mexico people are getting very sick from a "Blue Flu "
synthetic DNA creation to eat the spilled oil from the Oil Well disaster.
Trouble is- it is eating everything else including skin while it mutates.
It was created in a lab and cannot be compared to any other DNA sample known to mankind.
What the hell have they created. Gulf Coast residents are in great par-el that no swine flu jab
will be able to fix because they are testing as they go.


These people are playing GOD with our lives and care not for our safety
so now would be a good time to see the light.


. (0)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 6:39 pm
Cary, as I believe my comment made clear, I was taking issue with Ian's claim that the 'elites' have a plan to kill off 90% of the world's population (and almost 100% of Americans for some odd reason). Since there doesn't seem to be any credible evidence that any such plan exists (or even would be feasible if considered.) I've seen that claim passed around so many times on the Web - and would be interested to know where it originated.

And I believe I'll also wait to see if that "Blue Flu" you mention is anything more than Toxicant-Induced Loss of Tolerance due to exposure to chemicals that certainly have known negative side effects. Whether the claims of 'synthetic DNA creation' which is 'eating everything else including skin while it mutates' turn out to be legitimate, semi-legitimate, or just another internet-spread rumor (rather like the 90% of the world's population being fated for extermination), actual credible evidence needs to be presented and studied before jumping on the bandwagon.

Carmen S (69)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 10:31 pm
Thanks for the infor I am glad I do not get the shots as I never get the flue, colds or anything else.

Abo r (107)
Thursday October 28, 2010, 10:58 pm
Once adviced me to take the tearly Flue vaccine, I took it but I became more sick than what used to have, then I insist not to take it and did not.

Last year at the time of the epedimic of H1N1 I read a message of the Minister of health in one of the Gulf countries, the message were directed to the company producing the vaccine telling that by testing the vaccine it was contaminated.....
Noted thanks for posting.

. (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 1:40 am
Robert and Carmen, if you 'never get the flu, colds, or anything else' then you are a medical anomaly. I don't believe I've ever heard of any adult (especially one of the age your photo would suggest) who never has even had a cold. I suggest you inform every major health organization about your situation since you obviously have some special and extraordinary form of immunity which should be studied to determine its origin. Since ordinary human beings do at least occasionally catch those nasty little bugs.....

Ian M (79)
Friday October 29, 2010, 2:12 am
“Way too much hyperventilating going on here.j “

Yeah – I've probably been watching too many videos of cops and UN troops drilling for Martial Law, or breaking in a family's door and shooting the family pets because he actually had a joint, Tasing children and old people, that kind of thing.

“And Ian? I rather think that with only 70,000 Americans remaining (especially once you deduct the American 'elites' and their families as well as all the non-elite babies and young children who'll be of no immediate use to our overlords), there would hardly be enough Americans left to maintain and run the American infrastructure. American 'elites' are going to live very deprived lives if they expect only a few tens of thousands of Americans to handle the day-to-day running of this nation. Guess they could always import some non-elites from other countries; however, that would leave those other countries' 'elites' seriously deprived of their slaves as well.”

Lindsay, I think you're missing something here. They not talking about keeping America's infrastructure going at all. THEY don't need buses, grocery stores, a power grid, etc, not for their own private compounds, with their own small farms and servants. The intent, at least per that particular piece, was supposedly to leave the rest of the country to “go back to nature, recharge.” Everything West of those compounds is supposedly forbidden to humans – except the “elites” of course. They're not going to be concerning themselves with keeping the country running; they're trying so hard to destroy it, after all.

“And if the 'elites' are going to kill off 90% of the world's population, I wonder why they dislike Americans so much - since proportionally they're supposedly going to kill off far more than 90% of us (70,000 remaining Americans out of 310,584,568 current American population means they'll be killing off all but .000225% of the U.S. population - very nearly 100% of us being killed.) The 'elites' must REALLY dislike Americans...”

Good question. I don't recall anything saying they were going to keep losses per country proportionate, though. And I could have misremembered and it was 170K. Been a while since I read it. I WISH this ancient computer would read my flash drives. And actually, who they dislike most are non-whites, with African-descent of ANY degree being the lowest of the low. Supposedly this is why the first targeted disease, HIV/AIDS was targeted at blacks. You are aware it's patented in the US, along with the cure? Anyway, as far as I can find, African Americans do end up with active AIDS more easily than anyone else.


Truly, I'm not arguing for the absolute veracity of all this. There's so MUCH out there that it's hard to distinguish partial truth from tot BS from actual reality, and all of it is on the increase all the time. Unlike you though, I'd not be at ALL surprised. Not since America's OWN depopulation program as National Policy. And keeping in mind the verified toxicity (3 times the toxic level per the CDC) of barium from chem-trails, the utter toxicity of fluoride which is now increasingly being used as a preservative, the toxicity of aspartame which makes a great ant poison, the FACT that irradiation of all foods except local/raw will destroy as much as ¾ of the nutrients, the spraying of all meats and eventually all foods with viruses that are “trained” to kill listeria and that they PROMISE won't attack the e.Coli in our guts, and the proved deadly toxicity of vaccines with mercury/squalene/formaldehyde/aluminum/aborted fetal cells, etc ad nauseam. So to speak. Do you really find the possibility that this is ALL paranoid fantasy? And those FEMA camps DO exist. Police ARE drilling, along with our own and UN military, for a civil revolt. All those EO that make the President King of America DO exist, and the SCOTUS isn't about to challenge them as unconstitutional.

The super-wealthy like Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers and a few hundred others are clearly preparing the US for SOMETHING violent, dictatorial, and totally un-American. I was pretty tired when I wrote the piece you object to, and I don't THINK I insisted it was all Gospel truth (an oxymoron itself). It isn't all Impossible wither though. These people are true sociopaths who honestly believe we're just inferior specimens of humanity, barely more than animals, and that they have every right to cull the race, being the superior creatures they are. So you figure out what's going on, what the plan is and when it's supposed to happen. All those other plans – REX-80 and so are real too. And somewhere along the line, even if somehow the “elites” never decide to finish the takeover, SOMEONE is going to figure out that with just two Presidential signatures he can rule America at least, and maybe a lot more. Maybe almost everything. Are you willing to trust in the restraint of politicians? Really? Or the insane superrich worth TRILLIONS?


. (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 2:46 am
Ian, if you're "not arguing the absolute veracity of this", then why present such things as bald facts? I personally don't tend to promote things if I don't believe them to be true (always knowing, of course, that my facts or my interpretation of those facts may be wrong.)

Moreover, keeping everything going to support the lifestyles of those 'elites' involves a heck of a lot more people than you claim will be left standing.

They want a nice comfortable life in their cosy compounds? Well, they're going to need lots of people working in manufacturing jobs to keep up that lifestyle. People manufacturing cable, refrigerators, air conditioners, furniture, clothing, stoves, building materials, tools, cosmetics, drugs, computers and computer components, televisions, cell phones, ovens, toasters, toothbrushes, deodorants, light bulbs, books, pots and pans, dishes, draperies, paints, and everything else that those 'elite' individuals consider necessary to a comfortable lifestyle. As well as people cooking for them, cleaning for them, providing security for them, looking after their health needs, and every other physical service they need. People to build their houses and their compounds. People to fly the airplanes they'll want. People to build and maintain those airplanes. And people to grow their food. And people to write the books they want to read. And people to print those books. And to create the music they want to listen to (and create the CD's on which the music will be recorded and the CD players on which those discs will be played.) And engineers to design all those things, of course. And inventors to invent all the new toys the 'elite' will crave. And teachers to teach the workers how to do all the things that need doing. And military personnel/police to maintain order among the slaves. And astronauts to man the spacecraft needed to maintain the satellites. And workers to mine the minerals and to drill for oil. And plumbers. And electricians.

And the list goes on and on.

In order to live a modern and comfortable life, a truly enormous number of people need to be engaged in manufacturing every tiny piece of every item the 'elite' will want to cushion their existence. And that can't happen with the majority of the world's population in its grave. Those 'elites' NEED lots and lots of underlings. No matter how few of those 'elites' there may be, what they need and want in life simply requires too much in the way of service and manufacturing to get by with a tiny number of the rest of us.

. (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 2:54 am
And as for it being the 'elites' who want to depopulate the earth? Usually the people I hear yelling about wanting to get rid of the majority of humanity are the wild-eyed radical "liberals" who want to 'Save the Earth' from the dreaded human hordes and revert to a simpler way of life. Personally I'd be theoretically a heck of a lot more concerned about them - because, unlike the 'elites', they really don't need most of the rest of humanity to live that simpler life.

patricia l (317)
Friday October 29, 2010, 6:14 am
Lindsey, unlike the "elites", the "wild-eyed radical liberals" do not possess the resources to depopulate the earth.
The Kochs, Gates, Money-Santo, Big Pharm and their ilk do posess those resources.

Sheryl G (360)
Friday October 29, 2010, 9:57 am
Thank you for the information. I believe before we stick anything into our bodies we should be fully aware of what is going in there, it's potential side effects, knowledge of other alternative ways to prevent what the vaccines are suppose to prevent, and then and only then, as adults with full awareness should we make our decisions.

I think far too many medications and vaccines are being flooded onto the market with little research and study. I hear about it all the time of medications being taken off the markets due to major problems, I feel in too many directions a dollar to be made is at the expense of our environment and personal health, why should these vaccines and the companies who make them not be swayed at times by the bottom line profit sheet?

So I feel we all must learn to think these things out for ourselves and not join the lemmings and jump off cliffs, just on the say so of someone else. And never should a vaccine be forced upon anyone, which unfortunately is the case too many time. Children can not be enrolled into school and people loose their jobs if they do not, it is wrong.

Past Member (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 10:22 am
I have had the flu shot every year, but now I find providers of the mercury-free ones. Being close to 65 and working in a school environment, I've always been advised to do so. I did take a mercury-free combined flu vaccine this year and I suffered some side effects never experienced before. I had a bout of coughing and sneezing about two hours afterwards that lasted about 2 more hours. I don't know if this was caused by the shot, but when I reach retirement, I think I'll also retire from taking the vaccine as well. Thanks for good information.

Jeannette A (137)
Friday October 29, 2010, 10:24 am
Unfortunately, learning aout these things is a never ending process and, if we sink in a paranoia fugue, we will never work our way to any solution. I, for one, plan to take a calculated risk with the information I have and get the flu shot since I am a caregiver for someone with diabetes. Each choice for every one of us is different so information is vital... hysteria is not useful. When we start seeing everything in terms of "Us" and "Them", we lose our ability to function. In this world right now, we are spending too much time finger-pointing and not enough time working together problem-solving.

Erin R (181)
Friday October 29, 2010, 10:38 am
Thanks for sharing.

Barbara W (342)
Friday October 29, 2010, 11:40 am
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Bayer A.G., along with BASF and Hoechst, is heir to the German chemical cartel known as I.G. Farben,

Barbara W (342)
Friday October 29, 2010, 12:10 pm
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Ian M (79)
Friday October 29, 2010, 12:48 pm
Lindsay, I don't know any "wild-eyed radical liberal" I'm afraid. And I've been saying all along that the people pushing this agenda - and those numbers, the 70,000 and so on, are the questionable part; the depopulation agenda is real - have no more idea what they're doing, the chances they're taking with human survival, than the idiots at Monsanto. Reduce human numbers that far, and damage the environment as they're talking about and doing in the process, and the environment would likely change very drastically. Also, the race may never recover, nevermind be able to support the "elites" in the ridiculous levels of luxury they're used to.They're totally ignorant about the vast majority of humanity lives or thinks or feels, sociopathic, that much of what they do simply isn't grounded in reality. Nonetheless, they're the ones directing the destruction and the "restructuring" of Western, and they hope the world's - societies. And I think I DID preface this stuff with the caveat that I can't be certain the numbers and detail about the end-results of all this that's being set up now being the real plans, but that setup IS happening. It's what has all of us here angry and frustrated. If we only wrote about things that were absolutely verifiable, we'd all be sitting around when martial law gets declared.


Linda G (187)
Friday October 29, 2010, 2:19 pm
Interesting video and very interesting comments. Lots of food for thought. I wonder if the doctors who push the seasonal flu vaccine have any idea what's in it. I only started the flu vaccine a few years ago when I became primary caregiver for my elderly mother. But thanks to all the information here, I will now be prepared to ask intelligent questions and if the answers aren't satisfactory will opt for no seasonal flu vaccine.
It's hard to know who to trust when medical issues come into play. I tend to eat healthy and organic so that I won't need medications and so far I am very healthy and very fortunate.

It is true that there are so many chemicals and toxins coming our way. Chemicals and pesticides are in food, unless you eat local/organic, in the air, in our water, in personal skin care, unless you make your own, in the materials in our homes and workplaces. Whether the continual poisoning of us is perpetrated by a conspiracy or just greed, I don't know. All I can do is raise my voice and concerns and eat and live as healthy as possible.

Barbara W (342)
Friday October 29, 2010, 2:25 pm
Lindsay if more humans lived a simpler life more humans, then not, would have a better life style.. Living simpler does not mean less numbers of humans. It only means that the planet would not be in such danger due to the gr$$d of many The Elite, as you call them, do not need so many homes and land to keep them safe from us. Many of the elite are snobs, not all, but many! And I come from a place that "Dare" says so..

You said: Personally I'd be theoretically a heck of a lot more concerned about them - because, unlike the 'elites', they really don't need most of the rest of humanity to live that simpler life. WRONG! Living simpler means relying on each other for the necessities, like food, etc..Family farms would thrive! Bartering would take the place of mega corporations. Folks would have more freedom.

You seem to hate liberals. Why? Does it bother your conscience that some folks care about the least of these? Does it get in the way of your lifestyle? Do you care that gr$$d and ignorance causes de-forestation, pollution of air, water and food, not to forget, starvation and disease.. Are you aware or, do you even care about the pain and suffering animals go through to serve US? And you claim the elites need us. Not so! Everyday more and more machines are taken the place of the human operator..Hell even drones are used to do our dirty work in war. Oh there will be a need for some slaves to do what humans are needed for.

And for the record even the movie, music industry, is going to hell. Soon, few real people, actors, etc., will be used in the industry! My unions are constantly fighting to make sure that the human talent force are not being screwed out of their offerings, residuals, .. by the gr$$dy corporations that now own most of the industry.

Your insensitive response is argumentative and typical of someone who does not need irrefutable evidence, "Credible Evidence B4 Belief" but a need to be in denial.. There's more concrete evidence of the god awful events of the day then ever before. The Germans and the world had ample evidence, but, chose denial..till it was apparent they could no longer live in denial..

As for some humans being unique because they are not always ill please stop being so patronizing.. Those who look to the natural world are far better off then those who trust pharmaceuticals. folks I know that get the flu shot are always ill! Those who don't, like my family and friends, have had very few bouts with flu or colds and, when we do have about it does not last long. Now I realize there are times that A pharmaceutical drug may be useful. But I prefer treating my immune system with nourishment which boosts my immune system, not put it to sleep, which many drugs "Dare" do!

Jae A (316)
Friday October 29, 2010, 3:39 pm
Hitler figured that he only needed the pure white race to do very well Lindsey. So much for that thought of yours not making any sense to elites, as it's not the first time someone wanted population control in their hands.Hitler did not plan for his superior race to all be elitist...most would do the elitist of the race's bidding, as to running factories etc. and serving in his Military. History is worth a read sometimes ya know.

. (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 6:25 pm
I recognize, Jae, that population control has been a goal of some in history in a variety of ways - and I very obviously wasn't arguing that history doesn't contain examples of that. My argument was against the logic of an 'elite' ruling class who would be able to maintain their 'elite' modern and comfortable lifestyle while at the same time murdering 90% of the world's population - the very workers who would be required to maintain that lifestyle.

And I'm afraid, Ian, that it isn't true you've said all along that the 'numbers' are questionable. I quote from the remark you made which prompted my initial reply (12:29 a.m., Oct. 28): "We are now participating in the "elites" depopulation policy aiming at killing off 90% of the human race." Nowhere in that comment did you say that the figure was 'questionable' - it was stated as pure fact, unencumbered by qualification.

Which is the problem I raised, of course. Someone reads what you wrote, as you read what others have written. And the false information gets passed along, again and again.

But since you now agree the figures you mentioned are indeed questionable and that there is no evidence to back them up specifically, then they can just be tossed on the garbage heap of internet rumor where they belong.

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Friday October 29, 2010, 8:27 pm
The number's came from the "Georgia GuideStones", get over the number thing.
If 90% extermination is too high a number for you would you be happier at 50%.
What % would make you happy anywhere in the world ?
Getting a shot in the arm
with untested chemicals and unknown results against
getting a seasonal cold,
I'll take my chances without taking the chance, thank you very much. shows the Georgia Guidestones.

. (0)
Friday October 29, 2010, 8:39 pm
What 'seasonal cold', Cary? The influenza vaccine doesn't protect us from getting seasonal colds since those are entirely different viruses (and so far as I know there is no vaccine against the cold viruses).

Kathy C (354)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 1:05 am
You cannot currently send a star to Cary because you have done so within the last week.

Ian M (79)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 2:06 am
"Ian, that it isn't true you've said all along that the 'numbers' are questionable."

Then I do apologize. That figure of 70,000 may be off. I have, however, read the 90% figure over and over again. I've also seen a banker's meeting with the Baron du Rothschild in which he made a dismissive gesture when asked, "What about the rest of the people?" Those the questioner was referring to were about 80-90% of of the world population. It does seem to be what they're aiming at. All the suicides and the GMO's in India together with the deliberate destruction of as many of the >1,000 types of rice developed there for all the different climates and growing conditions - they're actually trying hard to buy up and destroy as many of the traditional food-plant seeds as they can so ONLY theirs remain. That's ignoring biodiversity and the reason for it: a single plague could wipe out their GMO garbage and there would be NOTHING left to grow. And they're ALL apparently that short-sighted. And frankly I'd rather prepare for the worst case scenario than try to very absolutely things we may not be able to verify. I KNOW the super-wealthy old monied banking and industrial families are behind this. I now there IS a depopulation program and that it's being implemented to one degree all over the world. In know vaccines are bad for people's health - my roommate was required - half out of his head and ignorant of vaccine dangers anyway - to take one to get into a nursing home without which he would have died. He's still sick from that shot a year later. And it IS the same illness he got immediately after it. He's not recovering. I got pneumonia from an ordinary cold; that's NEVER happened, and usually I don't get colds. (You're right - different virus, but one can lead into another. There are over 500 cold viruses, which is why they can't make a vaccine). I've been reading and hearing for decades that HIV/AIDS was engineered, and I remember an article about it when it first happened saying that, and that they had the cure. That article disappeared almost immediately, but now it comes out it IS engineered, and patented in the US along with the cure for it. Have YOU heard of that? Neither have most people, nor do people know it's targeted at mostly black people. There's just too much poisoned being spread casually and often secretly around. What does that tell you?

Here's a good way to look at it: A) Don't sweat the small shit. B) Almost all of it's small shit. Concentrate on what's important: We're being lied to constantly. We're being poisoned, robbed, tightened down on, observed and recorded - all constantly. Help us figure out what to do about it instead of arguing about details. Once we have an outline of a solution we can start in on the details, when they might make a difference.


. (0)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 6:40 am
Rothschild made a 'dismissive gesture' and you've 'read the 90% figure over and over again" - and that is evidence that the 'elites' plan to actually murder 90% of the population?

Ian, merely because people latch onto something and keep repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. I've seen the 'fact' that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is a Muslim over and over and over and over again (with all sorts of supposed logic and supposed back-up documentation in favor of that 'fact') - but just because I know it's been said all those times doesn't mean I believe it. All it means is that for a variety of reasons some people have a need to believe it and promote it, aren't accepting the best evidence, or are simply false propogandists who are trying to demonize the President.

I have absolutely no doubt that you're genuine in your beliefs and that you're a well-intentioned person, Ian. But people like you are one of the reasons that 90% figure keeps getting heard over and over again without any evidence to sustain the charge. You see bad things happening in the world (and there are lots of bad things that can and do happen) and make a leap of logic that all those bad things mean the charge is true (or likely true). But there simply isn't any credible evidence linking what you're talking about with some vast shadowy conspiracy to commit the greatest genocide this world has ever known.

Do those in power want to control those who aren't in power? Of course. That's been true since the dawn of humanity. Do those in power abuse their control, sometimes really seriously? Again, of course they do. Is it possible our civil liberties will be eroded even further in future? Yes. Do some of those in power have a disdain for the man on the street? I'm sure some do.

And all of those things should be fought. But they need to be fought honestly, without seriously unrealistic (and frankly silly) scare tactics about massive genocide of 90% of the world's population. Not only is it wrong to promote false information but it diminishes the hearer's ability to actually listen to the rest of what those promoters are saying. Because the moment I hear someone telling me that 90% rumor, I pretty much automatically take anything else he might say with a very large helping of salt, much the same way I would take his views if he started out by telling me he believes the moon landing never happened and was a government conspiracy or the world is flat. Because it shows that the promoter's sense of logic and reason is highly suspect.

That's why 'details' like that matter. Because they reveal something very important which can and does influence our views on the reliability of the messenger.

If we're going to castigate government and the 'elite' for their supposed disinformation campaigns against us, then we should be very careful not to be hypocrites and throw out our own disinformation (and misinformation) in the fight against them.

Kit B (276)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 7:01 am
Provide me with clear and reasonable scientific data, I will decide what is best for me.
Sad to read a thread to decline so rapidly into conspiracy theories; and 90% of world population being intentionally destroyed. I think some here would be embarrassed to read their own entities. Where is your proof? Where are the equivalent of the "wikileaks" for this massive world wide conspiracy?

I guess it is true; some just like being afraid and hiding away from life instead being a full participant.

What a silly waste of time. My thanks to those who offered some intelligent discourse.

. (0)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 7:55 am
Noted & Sent to FB

Nancy M (168)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 8:55 am
Getting my flu shot on Tuesday. I admit though that I have avoided the H1N1 as I view it as too much hype.

Ian M (79)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 11:15 am
Well, I'll apologize and step out of this one. the info is on my old hard drive (this is a gift of a very old, slow computer that won't read a flash drive) and five flash drives. I suppose I could take a few months and re-research everything on that old hard drive, but I'll pass. There are a number of URLs, and if I do find them again, I'll drop and leave them here for you, if you're actually interested. Prison Planet is one; is another with a lot of info on it about poison in food, vaccines, chem-trails, etc. There were also always at least three other sites that had the same info as well, but you're right - I no longer have access to it, and won't until I get another functioning computer that'll read the media it's all on. Personally I hope you're right. With all the poison in everything though.. Well, nevermind.

Take Care, All,


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 11:18 am

Ian, that was gracious -- peace, my friend!

Ian M (79)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 12:37 pm
Thanks, Carole. It is frustrating though, not to have access to years of accumulated data. For what it's worth, here is 2 hours or so of search. Most - or many, at least - are "conspiracy theory" sites, but keep in mind that "Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get me/"

Top Scientist Advocates Mass Culling 90% Of Human Population
Fellow professors and scientists applause and roar approval at elite's twisted and genocidal population control agenda
Professor's "Kill 90% of Population" Comments Echo UN, Elite NGO policies
Mainstream media first spike, then distort reality of the story
The Georgia Guidestones
US National Policy of Depopulation, Kissinger
US National Policy of Depopulation, Haig/Kissinger
60 Years of Uranium Wars
Genocide & Depopulation Quotes

S510 Is Even Worse Than We Thought!

NO! to FOOD FASCISM Talking Points

GMO DANGERS Talking Points


Quadruple $trength Vaccine For Elderly
Note: IF Vaccine$ Worked At All, Why Would 4x Do$e Be Needed?  Who $ays It I$ Needed?  But It'$ 2x A$ Expen$ive
(NaturalNews) The vaccine industry has now decided that injecting senior citizens with the "standard" vaccine dose just isn't working. (Gee, really?) So now they've decided the way to make it work better is to offer a quadruple viral potency vaccine that packs 400% more viral fragments into one toxic shot. The target for this quadruple vaccine injection? Senior citizens, of course -- the very people most likely to suffer the most serious side effects from a vaccine overdose. The FDA reportedly approved the new vaccine in April even though no scientific tests have ever been done to show it reduces flu symptoms.


Barbara W (342)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 1:08 pm
keep in mind that "Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get me/" Ian

Touché Ian..Touché And thanks for the informational sites.. Barbara/founder/dtdn

. (0)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 3:05 pm
True, Carole. Whether I agree with all his views or not, Ian is a very pleasant person to know here on the forum.

Ian M (79)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 3:19 pm
Ladies, thank YOU! And, you're most welcome. I see no reason for vitriol with things like this. I save it for things that deserve anger, like the thugs that make up the DEA and too many police these days.

Got to go lie down. Thanks Again,


ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Saturday October 30, 2010, 6:28 pm
thanx Elderberry, a lot of good comments, took me a long time to read them all. I'm no longer surprised at what the ruling class will do. Ever since the Ruling class took over this Western Hemisphere (1500's) they have committed various atrocities to my people and now they are doing it to their own. how ironic? Sad what is happening in this supposedly modern, hip, intelligent culture. Ahoo, hope I didn't offend anyone, God Bless!!

Latonya W (82)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 1:38 pm
I totally dont trust the goverment never did never will........everything is a business so nothing surprises me....
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