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The Islamists of East London, led by their flagship the East London Mosque, have been loudly condemning a proposed march by the English Defence League through Tower Hamlets on September 3. They have found an unlikely ally.


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AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1065)
Friday July 29, 2011, 1:10 am
My many thanks to Alexandra, my good Care2 friend for alerting me to this article.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 29, 2011, 3:47 am
thanks, noted

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday July 29, 2011, 5:11 am
Wow! Thankyou both, Cal & Alexandra for posting!

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Friday July 29, 2011, 9:28 am
Is a non aggressive dialogue possible with these people?

Gillian M (218)
Friday July 29, 2011, 2:24 pm
Alexandra R, I'm afraid the answer is no. Many other mosques are peaceful and their members just want to be part of the community. This mosque attracts hotheads and those that like to make trouble but they get away with it because our society bends over backwards to accommodate them.

Rosie Lopez (73)
Friday July 29, 2011, 3:34 pm
thanks cal!

Maru V (42)
Friday July 29, 2011, 5:34 pm
Noted and signed. Thank you

Veronica G (108)
Saturday July 30, 2011, 4:34 am
And now we have an extremist Muslim group putting up posters throughout UK, declaring areas which are governed by sharia law!!!!!

Brenda Towers (0)
Saturday July 30, 2011, 12:00 pm
Noted. This country is ruled by English law and long may it remain so.

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday July 30, 2011, 6:45 pm
Interesting to say the least

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday July 30, 2011, 7:39 pm
Noted, thanks.

Pat Vee (13)
Sunday July 31, 2011, 12:19 am
Thanks for the article .

. (0)
Sunday July 31, 2011, 1:19 am
This must be sad for our Muslim Care2 friends.

Roger G (148)
Sunday July 31, 2011, 1:19 pm

Alicia N (87)
Sunday July 31, 2011, 2:13 pm
noted with thanks

wooddragon xx (88)
Sunday July 31, 2011, 5:59 pm
Cheers Cal...

Hundreds pack East End rally in run-up to 3 Sept demo against EDL
30 july 2011

It was standing room only at last night’s rally against the racist English Defence League in Tower Hamlets, east London. Up to 700 people – white, black and Asian – crowded into the public meeting organised by UAF and United East End at the London Muslim Centre.

They heard speakers from across Tower Hamlets’ diverse community call for unity against the EDL and urge the biggest possible turnout at the national demonstration on Saturday 3 September.

The meeting began with a minute’s silence to remember the Oslo victims of Anders Behring Breivik, the fascist inspired by the EDL and its vicious anti-Muslim racism.

Three Norwegian trade unionists then addressed the rally, telling the audience: “We support all demonstrations against the EDL.”

Tower Hamlets’ mayor Lutfur Rahman, former mayor of London Ken Livingstone, and community leaders from Muslim, Jewish, Christian and other faith groups were among the hugely diverse line-up of speakers.

They were joined by trade union reps from the Tower Hamlets Unison branch, East London NUT and the Unite union’s London region, a representative of the Rainbow Hamlets LGBT group, two local school students and a group of Tower Hamlets councillors.

Max Levitas, a veteran of the Battle of Cable Street – when Oswald Mosley’s fascist Blackshirts were stopped from marching through the East End in 1936 – really raised the roof with an inspiring speech.

He told the audience: It took organisation in the struggle against the racists and fascists. On the day of 4 October there was 100,000 people at Aldgate and Gardiner’s Corner… The people of Stepney, dockers, tailors, pensioners, never got divided and came onto the streets.

He added: The fascists will never march through this area – but it won’t be done by talking about it. We’ve got to take action… we’ve got to ensure the people of Tower Hamlets know what’s taking place, with leaflets and loudspeakers going through the area.

Above all, unity has got to play its part. We are going to win this struggle because we are unified.

Ken Livingstone also drew on the lessons of Cable Street, noting that in 1936, Jewish residents were the fascists’ main target, while the EDL now tries to whip up racism against Muslims.

As Londoners came together to stop the fascists marching against the Jewish community 75 years ago, we must come together to stop their successors threatening the people who now live here.

Tower Hamlets mayor Lutfur Rahman, who was joined at the rally by a group of local councillors, said there was “no place for hate” whether on grounds of race, religion or sexuality.

We are one Tower Hamlets and we have no intention of letting the EDL divide us.

UAF national officer Martin Smith pointed out that the EDL had started by targeting Muslims, and was now also attacking trade unions, student demonstrators and others.

In that situation it is up to every single one of us to stand united to beat them.

The best memorial for the people who were murdered in Norway is to show the EDL can be defeated. And that defeat will begin in Tower Hamlets on 3 September.

Watch this video of the EDL on there marches:

Sign the Petition: -

I’ve just signed the HOPE not hate petition calling on the authorities to ban the English Defence League (EDL) march in Tower Hamlets in early September and I hope you will do the same.

I’m really worried about what will happen if a thousand racists get to march through the heart of East London. After all, they are only going there to whip up racism and stir up violence.

By signing the petition we are showing that the EDL are not welcome. Why should the people of Tower Hamlets pay for their march of hate.
I hope you will add your name to the petition.


Lynn Squance (235)
Monday August 1, 2011, 12:27 am
Very interesting story. When will all the conflict end and the human race live in peace? Probably, I'm sorry to say, not until the human race is extinct!! However, until that time, I'm going to work for dialogue, understanding and compassion!

Herbert E (10)
Monday August 1, 2011, 6:47 am
The EDL ought to be forbidden, outlawed. Signed the petition of course.

wooddragon xx (88)
Monday August 1, 2011, 11:26 am
Poor, poor Racist dribbling Russell!! Still hitting the booze again? Leave Cal alone.
You know nothing about East London and you know nothing about the EDL. The EDL are Racist! There are no Sharia Law zones, in East London! You are the Liar!!!

Go and sit down, have a cuppa, sober yourself up and watch this video... you never know, you might see yourself on it!!

wooddragon xx (88)
Monday August 1, 2011, 11:44 am
Opps sorry Cal...

Dan Holoman (2)
Monday August 1, 2011, 12:49 pm
All this fuse over a building!

marie C (163)
Monday August 1, 2011, 5:21 pm
Hearing Wooddragons insults helps me understand why there is so much anger and fighting in the world some of those comments are completely out of order.
I wonder how many people have flagged her 0r him Does wooddragon live in Tower Hamlets I wonder ?

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday August 1, 2011, 5:53 pm
Thanks Cal.

wooddragon xx (88)
Monday August 1, 2011, 7:24 pm
Marie is it ok to be racist? Is ok to tell lies? Is it ok to insult Cal? Look at Russell's comments? Then you will see you is insulting who! And I am from East London and I am a female.

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1065)
Monday August 1, 2011, 11:15 pm
Well, the dribbler (Russell), you have been reported to Care2 for your aggregious labelling and false attacks. Like you really have an edit button---NOT! I'm not an apologist for anyone and like most of those who pretend to want balance, you offer nothing in return as you never post articles but specialize in personal attacks from our jaded viewpoint. You are pathetic and a waste of the printed word.

Next topic...

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 1:38 am
I flagged it too Cal... and my duplicate entry. I think Eric might be busy with the flagging of late! ;0) In any case, I am surprised Marie didn't get my sense of houmour, she is a Londoner after all, Maybe a South Londer:0P

Moving swiftly on...

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 1:43 am
giggle... or Saf Londoner:0P

marie C (163)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 4:36 am
You do not appear a kind person giggle giggle you seem very bitter with your life please try to be more thoughtful I do not know any Londoners who would find your remarks humorous.
As you can read Cal is very capable of defending himself
I am not a racist but I believe members of Care 2 have the right to give their opinion but not to stoop to name calling and cruelty
One day if you are lucky you will be an OP I actually feel sad for you
I read your profile I was surprised how much we shared I spent a lot of time in Rwanda but through life I have always tried not to hurt people I am shocked by your comments "moving swiftly on" then back again with another one of your snide comments I do not know what has turned you like this NOT FUNNY

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 5:44 am
OMG, you are calling me bitter with my life, because I called out a racist, homophobic, liar! You are shocked by my comments and not shocked by dribbling Russel's!!! Ok, Ok, I get it... you obviously agree with dribbling Russell's message!! Personally, I do not know any Londoners who would agree with that sort of message!! So that you aware, there was no intent to being snide with you... Marie, you can take my remarks as offensive or snide if you like, it makes no difference to me, you are entailed to make that choice.

marie C (163)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 5:57 am
'Marie you can take my remarks as offensive as you like or snide if you like it makes no difference to me"
Say no more that shows exactly how uncaring you are.
Try thinking about others before you go off at a tangent name calling and sick humour is really no fun for others
Care 2 is about expressing an opinion if we all thought the same how boring it would be it takes all kinds to make a world and people are allowed to open speech without being bullied and hurt.
Life makes people the way they are and helps them to form opinions also experiences in life make people bitter and twisted remember HURTFUL SARCASM is not British humour DRY HUMOUR is what the Brits are known for there is a big difference. H
Have your say by all means without name calling snide comments to OPs and others that is openly cruel.
God only knows what you must have been through

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 6:00 am
And I came back with the other comment because I spelt Londoner wrong, that is why I giggled. Not to take the mick out of you! So that we are also clear, the reason for Saf Londoner, it is a cockney term... for South Londoner...

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 6:12 am
I don't know where in my words you see me being cruel to OPs... Taken out of context yet again!! I do think the sound of bitter comes from you!!! I do find that it rather strange you saying.. 'God only knows what you must have been through' Weird in fact!! You should be asking dribbling Russell that question!

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 6:15 am
Maybe I should send you a star to make you all warm and fuzzy!! :0P

Tuesday August 2, 2011, 12:50 pm
NOTA BENE: Due to its meretricious & drinks-sodden support of the RACIST, HATE-BASED death-cult, Islam, the CARE2 WS shall be referred to as CAIR-2 until FURTHER NOTICE!!

CAIR-2......! Reflecting its DHIMMI-LIKE support of the HAMAS terrorist-linked Council for American-Islamic Relations & its allied MPAC!

TO the LIMP & LUMPEN ad hominemers: "Woodless" (& its UNSURPRISING choice of a vile, Sauronic "TX toothpick" in its avatar), "’Cull’ the demi-scrivener" (only FITTING it'd assume an UNHIP Homer Simpson rasta avatar/persona; it FITS, ya sub-genius) & dear Butt-Hurt B. (Mr. Blank itself!):

1. Am a civil designer, DDF (drug & disease-free to YOU, Najis!) & have DUAL US/EU citizenship & NUMEROUS contacts ALL OVER 'Eurabia' dating from the Fifties (some in REAL positions to KNOW what's goin' DOWN!!

2 I've lived/worked in "Eurabia Borealis" & the coastal Levant off & on since '75.

3. Got MARRIED in the UK in the Eighties.

4. Saw my first pro-Mahoundian demos in '83 (C. London's streets)!

5. Everyone who has DECENT emotional & mental health (save for Fascist enablers like YOU 3!) SEES & ACKNOWLEDGES how Europe is "slipping away" by the likes of Britain's Anjem Choudary & its ilk, ESP. in the EAST END of London! NO amount of your mindless MENDACITY can CENSOR/COVER IT UP!

6. Now THIS info should be of PARTICULAR interest to you ROTTERS, CLOTS, or uhh... "guys":

The Bangladeshi Sufi Muslims (you KNOW: the KINDER, gentler, mystical & 'fluffy' Muslims SOME people think are 'moderates' & are supposedly the hope for I-Slam's 'future'?), ensconced in LONDON'S EAST END, declared that AREA of several sq. kms. as a GAY-FREE ZONE!

Repeat: Muslims in LONDON'S EAST END have declared its several sq. kms. as a GAY-FREE ZONE!


The Muslim supremacist/triumphalist trump-card ALWAYS TRUMPS ALL others' 'VICTIM-STATUS', DOESN’T it!

Why, WHAT NOW will HM’s gov't's ‘enforcers’ of ‘Community Cohesion’ (yes, a REAL gov't 'OFFICE"!) say to JUSTIFY (& to NOT halt) this?


ANY LGBTAIQ=0 amongst you & 'Liberal' (Hahahahaha!) MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER (like CAIR-2's own, dear ersatz-'FEMINIST', Misses Robin Marty & Jessica Pieklo & that Molland FOOL!) are STARK RAVING MAD to support this HATE-BASED ideology of I-Slam, spawned from that HATE-BASED book, the Koran!



7. Now, Robinson & the EDL aren't what ANYONE would consider PERFECT, but DON'T let the PERFECT be the enemy of the GOOD!

8. Remember, if you're COMFORTABLE with your coalition, MAYBE it isn't BIG enough (& EDL's WAY DIVERSE, BIGTIME, Max Levitas' misguided "speech" notwithstanding)!

9. The EDL & we FEW of the anti-jihadist movement have NO money, NO sympathetic media & NO influential officials on OUR side.


Yes, Islam's a LIE & the TRUTH is KILLING IT

OBVIOUSLY the 3 "guys" above have NO use for freedom of speech (JUST like their Mahoundian "mates"), but at least they've exerted their 'right' to freedom FROM UNPOPULAR speech (“CENSORSHIP”) to support their favorite “FICTIVE REALITY” (LOFL)!

"Satya Mev Jayate" - (Sanskrit) ‘Truth always prevails.’ (The Indians KNOW the truth about Islam: +80M DEAD!))

"One word of truth will move the entire World" - A. Solzhenitzyn (Islam & Communism have MUCH in common!)

“I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against.”- Malcolm X

“It is the primary right of men to die and kill for the land they live in, and to punish with exceptional severity all members of their own race who have warmed their hands at the invader’s hearth.” - Sir Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister



Marie T.C. ROX the KNOWN UNIVERSE on THIS thread!!

Tuesday August 2, 2011, 12:56 pm
Bonnie B. (CA), Mara S. (NJ), Carol D. (AK), Beth S. (MD), Trina F. (MD), Nola G. (CAN), Lynda J. (S. AFRICA), Peg R. (TN), Monica R. (WI), Nancy C. (NJ), Beth M. (OZ), Faye S. (NY), Susan C. (MONTREAL), Billie C. (GA), Zuzana D. (CZECH R.), Jennifer W. (OZ), Patricia S. (NH), Jytte N. (MOZAMBIQUE), Lisa H. (CA), Bistra S. (BULGARIA), Maresa M. (ITALY), Catherine T. (TX), Madelaine M. (OH), Patricia & Ed J. (OZ), Alexandra R. (ISRAEL), Marie T.C. (UK).

You ROCK THE TRUTH vs. the MSM’s lies: against CREEPING SHARI’A & the abject, failed US death penalty!


Danny Wilson (26)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 1:00 pm
Check out, ugly very ugly and world wide too....

Tuesday August 2, 2011, 1:07 pm
Sorry, was cut off somehow!


Mohammed the RACIST in an ahadith quote:

“Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us.” - Tabari IX 69

TYPICAL Islamic racism in the US:

"So men will say: women, you know, they're emotional, ..... whatever, whatever, and women will say: men, they're brutes, insensitive, etcetera, and you have the beginning of a gender conflict. If gender is not what distinguishes us we'll look at skin coloring and say: ni@@ers or whities, or whatever."- Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Ground-Zero Mosque advocate, 2010.

Ahhhhh.....ISLAM.....can’tcha just FEEL th' LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!?!?!?

Know Islam....No Peace!.....No Islam......Know Peace!

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 1:28 pm
You've got fan mail from the Homophobic, dribbling lying, Racist, who wants to cull us, Marie... I hope you feel proud?

Tuesday August 2, 2011, 3:42 pm
Hey Woodless, you'll be SHOCKED to know that since April I've received 27 Green Stars from women on CAIR-2 regarding my tho'tful ISLAMOCRITICISM, incl. Marie TC, who's from the UK, I MIGHT add!

Now, I ANSWERED WELL your back-blox, carboot sale "comments" with LOCAL, irrefutable BRITISH MEDIA INFO (& meaningful background!) & ALL ya got's ad-homs, ONCE AGAIN!

Oh, it's the playing of our dear, shop-worn ad-misericordiam card (WAAAAAAH, you're hurting my victim-hood!), as if it were still LEGITIMATE, 'cos your friendly, neighbourhood Mahoundians have USURPED & STRANGLED it....FOREVER, too, I might add!!

No I'm NOT homophobic, ya ACE projectionist!

My avatar has NAILED you lot like a cat on a mouse, HASN'T it, you LYIN' frump!?!?!

Disapproving of the practice of homosexual perversion & insistence on its corrupting immorality doesn’t translate into hatred of homosexuals ANY more than disapproving of Islam translates into hatred of Muslims!

You WANT for critical tho't, don'cha now (I guess A-Levels mean NOTHING these days, too)!

You’re, I presume, a liberal like me, but you are so INTOXICATED by PC you show NO ABILITY to defend your own SISTERS' suffering from that RACIST, HATE-BASED ideology, Islam, which is based on its RACIST, HATE-BASED tract, the Koran!


I'm GLAD I'll NEVER know how BADLY it SUX to be as GULLIBLE as YOU!

Fairness is a LUXURY the GULLIBLE can NEVER afford re: I-Slam & my decades-long liberal values (begun since the 'Gulf of Tonkin" incident, 1964) would leave me at a DECIDED disadvantage in the face of such a PARASITIC ideology!!

The choice you've made to indulge in False Equivalency is something NO thinking & feeling person can CONSCIONABLY indulge in when it comes to the important considerations of women's dignity, children's health & PLANETARY survival, you TROLL!!

Furthermore, you DON'T live in the EAST END, unless you ENJOY lying about what's going on there, e'en as we key-on (I'd BET you live in a posh Harrod's flat, frankly & have NEVER heard Bow's bells ONCE!

You. Got. NOTHIN'!

You're like my mother, who could deny reality like NO-ONE'S business in her day!

ANSWER my comments, or (maybe) you could READ these proffered articles & ADMIT I'm right about what's going on over on YOUR patch!

Here's some 1,400-year-old, yet STILL fashionable "homophobia" (or is it merely mis-homosexual criticism?) from the holy writ of the "Death-cult of Peace" (as it's THEY who'll soon be "CULLING" you & yours):

It is Allah who orders to stone homosexuals:

Koran 7:81-5 “And We rained down on them (people of lut = homosexuals: SEE the colorful stickers Muslims have slapped on car/shop windows & posts/walls THRO'OUT the E. End!) a shower (of brimstone): then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime! “

Ahadith: Check out Bukhari, v3, p.160
‘Sunan Abu-Dawud’,
Book 38, Number 4448:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: “If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.” - (Words of Mo'-Mo' himself, Nagis!)

"Gay people should be thrown head first off high buildings and if not killed on hitting the ground, they should be then stoned to death." - Minhaj al-Muslim (‘The Way of the Muslim’)

The above was the fate of gays in Gaza when everyone's precious TERRORIST organization, HAMAS, took over from the Pal. Authority after it won its 'democratic' election in '06!

Pres. Geo. "W." Bush was SO proud, let me emphasise!

They're merely hung from cranes in Iran (or STONED in Yemen, 4FS)!

"If you don't know history, you don't know anything. You're a leaf that doesn't know it's part of a tree." - late author Michael Crichton ("Jurassic Park")

“What we learn from History: ‘History repeats itself.’ History never repeats itself. History’s lessons are always ignored.” - Hector Gonzalez

"Respect for the rights of others means peace" - Benito Juarez (Mexican revolutionary)

“In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king; in the land of the braindead, the intelligent person is cast as the village idiot."- ‘Dendron Gnostic’, DKos WS, 10JUN10 (For your dead-eyed avatar!)

Koran 5:48 - "Muslims must not accept any constitution or set of laws other than the Koran."

"You're blaming the messenger for bringing the message. Your blaming the Richter scale for the earthquake, the thermometer for the fever." -“Buraq”, 27JUL11

TAG, Nagis (Arabic - “Filthy”, how Muslims regard ALL 'non-Muslims', or “Kuffar”, while ‘Najasat’ means: “A group of filthy things”)!

marie C (163)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 4:43 pm
At least he does not insult me like you giggle giggle
I sent him the star as did others because of your cruel insulting behaviour
Care 2 is really not about cruelty and insults it is about good healthy argument when people start stooping so low with name calling and silly unintelligent remarks we usually get away with calling them trolls but you stepped over the line it appears you came on to this thread to vent anger no one finds you funny just rude.
Everyone deserves to have an opinion without bullying and abuse
The right thing to do is to look up your facts and prove the people you disagree with wrong
You have failed miserably just put people against you

marie C (163)
Tuesday August 2, 2011, 5:03 pm
I have just gone down the thread reading your comments
Not many people in London never mind the world understand cockney slang
You really have got everything so wrong about me

Tuesday August 2, 2011, 7:28 pm
Dear Marie,

Sorry if I misread ya!

Surely YOU aren't one to deny how E. END Muslims are committing SEDITION against HM's Govt's & your fellow citizens; have you seen the media sites I offered you to read?

To hear REAL Cockney, go see your native Londoner newsagents, or go to the Urban Dictionary website for ANY kind oF English slang definition + OTHER languages, too!

Highest regards,


Wednesday August 3, 2011, 1:46 am

marie C (163)
Wednesday August 3, 2011, 4:07 am
Dear Drivin Russell No I do not deny how SOME E END Muslims are totally against HM"s Govt"s and my fellow citizens.
I live very close to a mosque and I get spat at sworn at sometimes when I walk past but it is very difficult to tar everyone with the same brush,g
Yes I get angry but I believe the Government is to blame,
Look what happened with Abu Hamsa al-Masri he got away with everything eventually he is where I hope he will stay forever
Anyway I object to rudeness A civil tongue costs nothing and I objected to Wooddragons blatant abusive remarks to you then her ignorant sarcastic remarks to me totally unnecessary
I believe Care 2 is about getting your point across without losing our tempers and hurting each other.
I also found it very childish of Cal referring to you as Dribbler I have never heard remarks like that from people posting comments before.
A number of my friends are leaving Care 2 reading this thread I can understand why

wooddragon xx (88)
Wednesday August 3, 2011, 4:46 am
So according to you, racism is not name calling, bullying, abusive, cruel and does not lead to the violence or death of millions of human beings.... you are truly deluded. Racism denotes prejudice, oppression and atrocities against a certain sect or group of people. What the true facts are Marie... Over 62 million human beings in the last 100 years have paid a price for being racially different, tortured, subjugated and killed.

South Africa: The enactment of apartheid laws in South Africa in 1948, institutionalised racial discrimination in every aspect of social life.
Darfur genocide mass murder of 400,000 lives, the Genocide of Rwandans mass murder of an estimated 800,000 people.

African American Slavery 1619 to 1865, especially witnessed a tremendously racist America grossly harassing the African American people State after state legalised slavery. After the Civil War, one draconian law after the other was drafted by the government which severely prejudiced the black community. The Ku Klux Klan who terrorised the African Americans and the black population. The group indulged in brutally murdering the black community and anyone socially advocating their cause.

Holocaust: The systematic annihilation of over six million Jews by the Nazi regime during World War II bears witness to hate crimes a single racist mind could inflict. However, it was just not the Jewish community that was hounded, other undesirables such as gypsies, Polish intelligentsia, Jehovah’s Witnesses, social democrats, homosexuals, communists, partisans, trade unionists, etc too were tortured in concentration camps and killed.

The Tibetans: It has been over 50 years that the Chinese occupation of Tibet has resulted in untold suffering and destruction to the land and people of Tibet. Over 1,207,387 have been killed, tortured, kidnapped, imprisoned or exiled. Tibetans today are forced to build a home away from home. With no external assessment, it is hard to draw a figure.

Untouchables; Ostracising a minority group by segregating them from the mainstream by social custom or legal mandate. Communities such as Dalit of India and Pakistan, Burakumin of Japan, Kidgan of Somaila, Osu of Nigeria, Haratin of Mauritas etc, etc

The expulsion and genocide of one million Albanian Kosovars from Kosova, and the list could go on.

This needs to stop, Racism is not just about killing an entire population; It is discriminating against the one who sits next to you, the racist language against people on the internet, etc, just because they follow a different faith and ritual, or have features and skin colour different than yours, makes you a racist.

Here is a great quote from Daniel Quinn the environmentalist:
‘The people of your culture cling with fanatical tenacity to the specialness of man. They want desperately to perceive a vast gulf between man and the rest of creation. This mythology of human superiority justifies their doing whatever they please with the world, just the way Hitlers mythology of Aryan superiority justified his doing whatever he pleased with Europe. But in the end this mythology is not deeply satisfying. The takers are a profoundly lonely people. The world for them is enemy territory, and they live in it like an army of occupation, alienated and isolated by their extraordinary specialness.’

So, in light of that true fact Marie, all you racists have alienated and isolated yourselves with your extraordinary specialness so much that you have all become a dying breed. Giggle, giggle! As each year passes there are less of your racist kind. As we human beings all integrate and mix our colours of our skin and our cultures, you become a minority, you all ready are a minority, but you become even less of a minority. Now that truly makes my heart sing and puts a smile on my face.

So, you can choose to giggle and give stars to the likes of dribbling Racist, Homophobic, lying Russell, who wants to cull us. It really just shows the level of immaturity you have and the disdain you have for the human race.

Superiority, is a psychological defence mechanism in which feelings of superiority counter or conceal feelings of inferiority.


wooddragon xx (88)
Wednesday August 3, 2011, 4:47 am
You must never forget the warning recorded for posterity by Martin Niemoeller, the Lutheran minister who lived in Hitler's Germany during the 1930s and 1940s. His words echo down to us over succeeding decades:

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

This is why I speak up!!!

marie C (163)
Wednesday August 3, 2011, 5:40 am
Wooddragon you listen to no one only your own voice you are just spouting words without reason or experience at least Drivin Russell is eloquent and speaks his own mind even if there are points I do not agree with he does not go off name calling childishly
Have you lived in SA How long have you spent in Rwanda what about Israel?????????
This thread is about a fraction of CRAZIES promoting terrorism who put every nationality and every religion even some of their own at risk . Some of the speakers at that mosque are truly evil in my opinion even muslims are terrified of them
I hope and pray you and yours are never affected by them as you do not appear understand the danger
You appear to know it all I feel you know nothing only what you read and you get so carried away on your high horse.
To be fanatical about any issue is dangerous a little knowledge is very danger
Now you feel I am deluded maybe you are right
I feel my way of thinking and reacting to others is much more stable than yours but thats what Care 2 is about everyone having opinions and through lots of reasoning and talking ultimately we can all be one on the down side I do not think solutions will be found in any of our life times
Sorry to sound negative


Marianna molnar woods (9)
Wednesday August 3, 2011, 6:33 am

marie C (163)
Saturday August 6, 2011, 5:09 am
I agree with so much you say Russel but some people need a shock to understand if a family member is hurt or something directly affects them people change but on these threads people tend to gang up and they are afraid to speak their mind i am sure you see it all the time People generally do not want to face up to disasters How anyone can stand up for that mosque is a shock to me How can anyone accept Sharia law
Anyway things will change one way or another but not in our lifetimes
My London is a sad place now

marie C (163)
Sunday August 7, 2011, 3:14 pm
Dreadful what is happening in Tottenham UK lets hope its not the E End next month
What is happening to our London
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