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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: police, politics, politics, news, Occupy Wall Street, government, ethics, usa, media, freedoms, u.s. )

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Tell Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly: Respect the Occupy Wall Street protesters' constitutional right to peaceful assembly.


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Past Member (0)
Friday October 21, 2011, 2:56 pm
Huh? I posted the exact same thing earlier today. I'll flag my post so it gets taken down. I thought there was a failsafe on these servers to prevent duplicates of the same site. I guess not. Oh well. I'm gonna flag mine.

William K (308)
Friday October 21, 2011, 3:37 pm
Noted, already signed.

Alice C (1797)
Friday October 21, 2011, 4:42 pm
Thank you ~ signed

Carol H (229)
Friday October 21, 2011, 5:19 pm
signed and noted, thanks Cal

Past Member (0)
Friday October 21, 2011, 6:24 pm
Signed and noted.

Kit B (276)
Friday October 21, 2011, 7:04 pm

Sorry to say Dan but that happens all the time, no one intentionally posts the same article but many here have the same interests and often Care2 just doesn't catch the dupiication. I signed this on my regular email. Thanks Cal.

Past Member (0)
Friday October 21, 2011, 8:56 pm
I flagged my earlier submission so I hope it gets removed. It's not the first time it's happened to me. I have posted a number of stories only to see someone post the exact same story later with the exact same link and picture. Each time it happens, I flag my own earlier submission so it gets tanked and eventually removed. Oh well. Life goes on.

Ruth R (246)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:13 am
They might as well start their own communities and occupy the world. Wall street people are not worth their time.

Ruth R (246)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:24 am
Tribal leaders and all people are better off leaving the congress, the senate, the corporations, the banks, and wall street alone, and going off to build their own part of the world better until these leaders, senators, congress people, and the bankers, the corporation people, and other people turn away from their greed. Yes, say your prayers, be happy and live your lives, and remember that these people are not worth your time -- unless they turn back to doing good.


Jazzyb J. (0)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:29 am
but I liked your thoughts none the less. Thanks for making something worth reading.

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Ruth R (246)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:53 am
The occupy wall street people know what they are doing and stay peaceful and become organized, some could organize to be effective, others could organize to go build their own communities and lives with the land -- away from wall street, so the protesters have a place to go to when the protest has some success and they may need a get away.

Ben O (129)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 2:34 am
(Since I don't live in The US, I'm using "Illinois, Zip 60601", does that make me a cheating little devil...???)

Marco C (31)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 4:36 am
Ironic, isn't it? Seems democracy is thriving elsewhere in the world and on the downslide here at home. Who learned from whom? Who do you suppose our dictator will be? Seems there is a glut of dictators and would-be dictators even little mini dictators out on the market looking for a reign of their own. Somebody told them they have a chance right here in the good Ole USA.

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 5:20 am

Carol Traxler (5)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 7:01 am
Bloomberg and the Commish have to get their acts together and accept the fact that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are Americans who are demonstrating peacefully under their constitutional right to free speech. The key word here is constitutional. What the NYPD has been doing is no better then what the British did prior to the America Revolution.

Rita White (55)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 8:19 am

Myron Scott (70)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 12:03 pm
Sure, I signed. This petition involves both police violence and the rights of free assembly. The former is intolerable. But the right to peaceably assemble is not absolute. Not just as regards OWS, but as regards Occupy Tucson and Occupy anyplace else, as long as people are camping out or protesting on private property, there's inevitably a potential conflict between the right of assembly and property rights. I am convinced that Bloomberg acted in secret concert with the Zuccotti Park owner (his domestic partner is a Board member) to try to use that conflict to rout the protests. He used it to end the Bloombergville demonstrations, and he looks to me like his itching to try it again against OWS. As long as demonstrators (like Occupy Tucson) are trying to camp in public parks or other spaces with existing rules prohibiting camping or limiting hours of use or the like, they have a similar conflict. I suggest that a clever way around this dilemma might be to apply a bit of free speech law to this free assembly issue. Like all Constitutional rights, free speech (and free assembly) is subject to some limitations. Like it or not, erotic dancing (topless, nude, whatever) is considered a form of free expression protected under First Amendment freedom of speech. Same for porno book stores and theaters. Like it or not, cities looking to restrict such activities, however, are limited in the restrictions they can impose. They can impose "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions" only. The totality of those restrictions cannot be so broad as to amount to a complete ban on the protected activities. So, a city has a right to impose reasonable restrictions on the use of parks and other public spaces, and authority, maybe even a duty, to enforce similar restrictions on private property if requested by the owner. But, I'd argue, the totality of those limitations cannot be so broad as to effectively ban the protected act of assembly, any more than similar restrictions can effectively ban speech acts. In other words, if a city doesn't want protestors camping in a particular place, the Constitution may still require the city make a reasonable alternative space available. If, as may be the case in Lower Manhattan, there is no "reasonable" alternative space, it may have to allow OWS to Occupy the park forever, even if means paying rent to the owner. That last bit is a stretch under existing law, but I think it constitutes a reasonable argument for the extension of existing law. Simply claiming the free assembly always should trump either property rights or reasonable regulation of public spaces is not so reasonable and, I fear, will fail if put to the test.

As far as duplicate posting, it happens, even though the system does catch literal duplicates, at least some of the time. If the URL's are different, however, the system will not catch them.

Barbara W (342)
Saturday October 22, 2011, 4:16 pm
Signed and moving

I wrote: Stop the bullying Bloomberg & White shirts! This is America not some third world country that you & your Wall Street buddies are attempting to make it!

Thomas Jefferson would have you all thrown into prison if he were with US today!

The first Amendment is NOT multiple choice. Nor is any part of the "Bill Of Rights".. Get out of the way of DEMOCRACY IN ACTION!

Marco C (31)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 5:21 am
Myron, the key is in the body of your writtings, "reasonable" .

It is reasonable to allow the assembly of the citizenry to bring attention to urgent issues and concerns. It would further be the responsibility of the government to allow it because it forms the bedrock of their legitiimacy as government officials. They have an obligation to support the democratic process or they will undermine and deligitimatize their own authority.

You can't have it both ways and you can't pick and choose which "citizen" corporate or individual to give preference to. Property rights (a right and privelege by virture of and not in spite of our democratic form of government) do not trump democratic process and its principles.

Ruth R (246)
Thursday October 27, 2011, 10:14 pm
Noted and signed. Peaceful legal expression of occupants.
Other Thoughts:
1.) Please let the people be peaceful. The first thing to learn and do: that i see is that the people need to peacefully and assertively express themselves and know exactly what to do before they go to visit or occupy for a time.

2.) The second thing: is that people can organize and go build their own lives and the lives of others by joining together to buy land -- so that each person may eventually own their own , and live sustainable organic gardening and organic farming, raise houses and barns for each person and family.

3.) The third thing: If the people stay on wall- street too long, they are wasting their time-- unless they know exacting why they are staying and have some kind of plan of action.

4,) ONE MOST IMPORTANT THING: change can happen in a pre-organized one(1!) day sit-in when with peaceful talks and signs to the leaders and non-leaders.

5.) People know who they are, how long to stay, when to leave for a while, and when to return to occupy, if to return to occupy. A person may have something to say, and then it may be time to go on with their life and create their own job, so let them People do not need to feel pressured into this movement -- because there are other ways to say what needs to be said.
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