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Presidential Debate: Obama Had No Chutzpah, and Why Didn't He Confront Romney's Blatant Dishonesty More?


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Lots of pulled punches and missed opportunities for the president, leaving an energetic Romney to say whatever he liked.



   

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Cam V (417)
Thursday October 4, 2012, 1:05 am
Perhaps because Obama is clueless when it comes to how the economy works? Perhaps because his record on the economy is so terrible he could not possibly defend it? Perhaps because Obama is a failure?
 

Mary Riley (987)
Thursday October 4, 2012, 1:23 am
If he had been aggressive he would have been called uppity, and we know it to be true!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 4, 2012, 3:54 am
Perhaps because the president is the one lying, and it's hard to tell a lie about someone when they are standing in front of you.
 

Kit B (276)
Thursday October 4, 2012, 9:48 am

Maybe because if you remember the debates from 4 years ago, it's not Obama"s style, he's not aggressive, he is a pragmatic man. Though it should be noted that even if Romney did come on a like a steam roller, he still said, nothing, nada, zero. Why are his plans a secret? Does he assume that Americans are too stupid to grasp what he says he is offering? He is going to cut taxes, repeal ACA or Obamacare, still keep the "good parts" not cut Social Security or Medicare, Medicaid, unless you happen to be under an unknown age below 65, and this will all be paid for by what? Ah, by magic. Put the pencil to paper and any one with an elementary education can see this can't work, has never worked, and will not work. Is this denial, prevarication, or just a lack of desire to be open and honest with the people? I remain unimpressed.
 

Cam V (417)
Thursday October 4, 2012, 12:32 pm
Obama simply did not show up Kit. He didn't.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 5, 2012, 2:53 am
Romney laid out his 5 point plan. He steam rolled Obama. Obama was stunned. Obama reminds me of a classic bully. When confronted he backed down. If Obama thought Romney was lying why didn't he say so right then and there? Because he knew Romney was right. Take that teleprompter away from Obama he stands naked. A naked man taking notes during the entire debate.

Romney didn't lie. It hasn't been established that he lied about anything. The liberals are simply making excuses for Obama.
 

Arielle S (313)
Friday October 5, 2012, 6:38 am
It certainly has been established that old Mitt lied - Obama is merely allowing Mitt's huge ego enough room to grow so that when it bursts, it buries him.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 5, 2012, 12:33 pm
Arielle, if he lied, tell us what he lied about. This ought to be good...

Obama started shouting the morning after the debte that Romney lied....but he never said what he actually lied about. How embarrassing to watch the POTUS act the way Obama did yesterday morning whining like a five year old.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday October 5, 2012, 1:42 pm
I think we were all expecting Rmoney to do a real GAFFE -- as he has been in the HABIT of doing regularly, recently -- and were shocked when he "didn't do too badly". We were waiting for a Gaffe, like people watch a NASCAR race for a horrible accident to happen!
Rmoney's "zingers" missed the mark and fell flat. Among these were, "you have your big house and your big airplane", apparently referring to the White House and to Air Force One. Very STRANGE, to say the least, coming from one whose Mansion has a separate elevator for all his cars! Hard to figure out what this was supposed to do -- picture the President as a "privileged elitist" thus taking the heat off Rmoney being one? STUPID!

Then there was the one where Rmoney ACCUSED THE PRESIDENT TO HIS FACE OF LYING -- FIGHTING WORDS that I think even President Obama couldn't have been prepared for! The only "proper" response to THAT, in some parts of the country at some times in history, was to reach for your gun! And, stupid idiot Rmoney kindof "softened" his remarks a little, by saying that "his 5 boys lied to him all the time" {I am paraphrasing}. So, that accusation isn't REALLY all that bad...just like saying "naughty, naughty" to my kids!.
[I'd like to tell Rmoney here, that I have raised a daughter, and I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME WHEN SHE LIED TO HER PARENTS. We had brought her up to NOT BE AFRAID to tell us the Truth.... I mean literally, I can't remember a time when she lied, or would have felt she had to....]
As someone else said, Obama should've gone across and SLAPPED THE HELL OUT OF MITT THE TWIT.... very self-controlled that he did nothing!
Of course, to Rmoney's kind of people, it is OKAY TO DISS "N" WORDS, THEY HAVE NO "HONOR" TO DEFEND LIKE A WHITE MAN DOES...
And then there is Rmoney's "I love Big Bird", which may be remembered for a while. I have dealt with that elsewhere. Privatize everything! is what the Corporations want...
While Rmoney's wanna-be "zingers" fell absolutely FLAT, and were offensive as could be --
what made them "pass" with little comment, was Rmoney's DELIVERY. Of his whole "debate" style.

Rmoney's body language, phoney facial expressions, voice, etc., have before this, suggested Insecurity, Desire to please, Kowtowing to Public Opinion... not very confidence- building in a potential Prez!
I and others FULLY EXPECTED A MELT-DOWN during, or even before, the Debates. Mitt the Twit was NOT HANDLING HIMSELF WELL. He was having "temper tantrums" backstage and LOSING IT. Even Ann Rmoney, said she was worried about his mental health!

Somehow, all this CHANGED OVERNIGHT. Rmoney spoke very rapidly and non-stop and wouldn't be interrupted. He DID look, for a change, CONFIDENT. Not at ALL what we expected, could have expected from previous live interviews and videos, where he appeared anxious, and with that nervous, wide-eyed eyebrows-up eager-to-please look!
He morphed into the aggressive high-school bully with the scissors in his hand, into the guy on the Mother Jones video speaking confidently to those who he knew liked him in the first place.

Of course it was a GREAT advantage for Rmoney, that the debate people were persuaded, for the first time in Presidential debate history, to let him see the questions IN ADVANCE. So he could REHEARSE. And rehearse and rehearse and rehearse.... until "perfect". {And, given the Koch brothers' influence, probably the QUESTIONS were DESIGNED to please the Rmoney camp, also.}

But, a lot of people see MORE than just "canned answers and rehearsals" here. The WAY Rmoney spoke.... well, Cocaine is said to give people super-confidence in themselves, super-energy. A feeling you are the king of the world, can't be stopped. Of course, using that would be illegal, wouldn't it. However, there are now synthetic DESIGNER DRUGS that imitate the effects of ANYthing. And some of these Designer Drugs are too new to be illegal, yet.
Besides a Cocaine High {or imitation one}, other people have said they detected a Speed, or Methamphetamine High. Others have seen just a plain Caffeine High. {Caffeine being banned for Mormons, if he used it or some synthetic substitute that had the same effect, Rmoney might be super-susceptible to even a small amount of it.}

Anyway, some sort of a Speed-Freak High would explain a LOT -- the BULLYING attitude, the IGNORING of time limits, the RAPID talking as if to get it all out before it's forgotten, and the "CONFIDENT" carriage and body language, which are otherwise SO STRANGE to see in Rmoney's usually zombie-like, robotic self. Even his "death-look" eyes, looked somehow different!
I'm just sayin'. It's not necessarily anything illegal. It may be just a Caffeine high. But, it's gotta be SOMEthing. SOMEthing has changed about Rmoney's public appearance. You COULDN'T NOT notice it! {Double negative.}
 

Cam V (417)
Friday October 5, 2012, 1:49 pm
So to you this is about race rather than facts eh Muntiny? Now THAT says more about the way you think than anything else.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday October 5, 2012, 2:20 pm
One strategy of the Rmoney camp, is to TURN OFF BLACK VOTERS who of course will vote Democrat. This they do not only by purging voter rolls, and challenging dark-skinned voters at the polls, and other underhanded tactics. They also are going to want to use every possible trick-in-the-book between now and Election Day.

One tactic I perceive operating here, is to discourage Black voters from enthusiastically turning out for President Obama, by MAKING OBAMA LOOK WEAK. It reminds me of that scene in "Roots", where the white owner rapes the about-to-be-married black slave woman and her slave husband "loses his manhood" in her eyes, because THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

President Obama is "a scholar and a gentleman" -- he can hardly be anything ELSE, and "respectably" represent the U.S. here and abroad! He can't be a boor and a bully, not in public anyway! {And, given what I think of Michelle, I don't believe he for an instant would get away with such an attitude "at home"!} In ANY Debate, he has to keep his famous "cool" and show restraint and reason!

Given Rmoney's BOORISH, UNRESTRAINED SUPPORTERS {and we certainly SEE them here on Care2! as everywhere}, Rmoney's tactics appear to be "LET THE DOGS OUT", "PUT ON THE BOXING GLOVES". Or, NO, PUT ON THE BRASS KNUCKLES! And Obama, by the very nature of his POSITION, canNOT stoop to "using the Brass Knuckles"!!!
Therefore, a super-hyped-up Mitt Romney {whether on Drugs, or just a personal High based on pep-talks and the Mormon god's blessings -- ONE of the Mormon gods, Mormons are Polytheistic} -- a hyped-up Mitt Romney, with a surge of adrenalin or endorphins or whatever animating his frame,
will unrestrainedly RANT, BULLY, BELLOW, LIE SHAMELESSLY, DEFAME, DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES -- and the Black Man will be seen as HELPLESS, at best, to stop him! A "weak" representative of their "race" -- is supposed to then "turn off" those Black voters who voted for Obama before.... that appears, to ME, to be the sneaky-but-oh-so-clever, KARL ROVE STRATEGY for winning....

It of course DOESN'T MATTER A HOOT WHAT RMONEY SAYS.... or what EITHER of them say, for that matter.
About "Policy", that is.
What DOES matter, is the APPEARANCES.
What DOES matter, is that the Bully can LIE -- and the President can't stop him! The Bully can Break the rules -- the Black Guy is helpless. The Bully can Strut his stuff -- and the response is tepid! The more Bully, the better for Rmoney and the Rethugs!

Note: This does not reflect what *I*, personally, think about Black people or White people or Voters of any Race or Color. This is how I INTERPRET WHAT SEEMS TO BE A NEW RMONEY STRATEGY. Which of course comes from his Handlers, which of course ultimately means Karl Rove.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday October 5, 2012, 2:46 pm
Yes, Cam, the Rethuglicans have been USING RACE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Then of course DENYING that they are doing so. Accusing OTHERS of what the Rethugs are doing THEMSELVES, is a very favorite tactic.

The DESPICABLE REPUKELICANS have very carefully figured out Racial Demographics in this country.
They have GERRYMANDERED VOTING DISTRICTS into odd shapes, just to concentrate "their" voters, and "Black" voters into separate districts.
A truly COLOR-BLIND PARTY, would have structured logical voting districts based on GEOGRAPHICAL PROXIMITY, and NOT on Color, as the Repukes have done!
They have PURGED VOTER ROLLS OF POTENTIAL DEMOCRAT VOTERS, and the VAST MAJORITY OF THESE, are People of Color!
A truly COLOR-BLIND PARTY, would not even try to get rid of Voters, BASED MAINLY ON SKIN-COLOR, as the Repukelicans have done!
They have CHALLENGED VOTERS AT THE POLLS, AGAIN BASED ON SKIN-COLOR. We call that "RACIAL PROFILING".
Again, a COLOR-BLIND PARTY WOULD NOT EVEN BEGIN TO DO THIS. As we KNOW the REPUKELICANS have done!
They have PUT THE VERY, VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE OF COLOR at the Repukelican Convention, up on the stage! Their "token People of Color". Now, WHY WOULD THE REPUKELICANS DO THAT???
Mitt Romney PUT ON DARK MAKEUP which looked EXTREMELY artificial, to speak on a Latino TV show. NOT THINKING ABOUT RACE, WAS HE???!!!

I sure wish the idiotic, abysmally stupid Repukelicans would GET OVER THEIR IDIOTIC OBSESSION ABOUT RACE and start thinking about PEOPLE! But that is FAR TOO MUCH TO ASK of the Greedy, Selfish, Profit$$$-all-else-be-damned Corporations that RUN THE REPUKELICAN PARTY! {Into the ground!}
And I wish {it'll never happen!} that disgusting Repukelicans would think of MY PRESIDENT as a Human Being and as a President of these United States {emphasize United}; and NOT as a "foreigner, stranger, exotic person, the Other, Kenyan, African, anti-Colonialist, weirdo, not-like-us, not-fit-to-govern" and all that crap that even unpopular White Presidents and First Ladies never had to put up with from IDIOTS!
 

Cam V (417)
Friday October 5, 2012, 3:03 pm
No Mutiny, in fact the race card is always played by the left. Usually when there is nothing to debate and as a last resort in an attempt to make folks feel bad and shut up. I find it shameful actually that is wrong in America to disagree with a Presidents policy and that there are people in the world who want to make that disagreement about race instead of policy. So I take it you disagreed with Bush because he is white then?
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday October 5, 2012, 4:42 pm
I want to sum up what I have written at greater length on some other threads:
I believe it is ALMOST CERTAIN, that Mitt Rmoney was on some sort of DRUGS, during the Debate.
The debates are a matter MUCH TOO IMPORTANT, for Karl Rove and Rmoney's handlers to leave to CHANCE. And to how Mitt HAPPENED to be feeling that evening: Manic, or its opposite!
This ALSO explains their Strategy, of wanting the Debate questions in advance {breaking with all precedence for Presidential debates}.
Under Drugs, Rmoney wouldn't be able to "reason" the answers to unexpected questions {not that he ever would be, anyway!}.
This way, Rmoney could memorize the answers to each question; and rehearse, and rehearse, until he was letter-perfect.
Being under the influence of some sort of drugs, would also explain Rmoney's rapid delivery, his repeating himself, his speaking over Jim Lehrer, and his unstoppability once he got going.
Ever see a person on Speed? {Methamphetamines}. This sort of behavior is VERY recognizable.

It's right in front of you, folks.
You just maybe don't want to see it.
Hitler also was hyped-up on drugs.
Utilizing the latest Medical developments of his time.
This is just a dog-and-pony show, DESIGNED to get Mitt Rmoney elected by ANY MEANS possible, to be a FRONT for his Corporate backers and their wishes to rape our entire Planet's resources.....

Cocaine is a drug WELL-KNOWN to lead to feelings of "Confidence" and "Ease", almost to the point of megalomania, "you can do nothing wrong".....
There may be Designer Drugs with similar effects. What is NOTEWORTHY, is that Mitt Rmoney's behavior, his BODY LANGUAGE, CHANGED ABSOLUTELY OVERNIGHT. I repeat, OVERNIGHT. {Like his orange "tan"! That wasn't from any "natural" process of "development"!}
How you are SEEN on TV, is MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT EITHER CANDIDATE ACTUALLY HAD TO SAY.
PERCEPTION, IS THE WHOLE THING.
The Drug with Cocaine-like effects, in giving Mitt "Confidence", UNLEASHED HIS "INNER BULLY" -- WHICH WAS HIDING THERE ALL ALONG.
This stance is DESIGNED TO APPEAL TO ALL THE RACISTS, BULLIES AND HOMOPHOBES IN THE REPUKELICAN PARTY.
Obama is not only a President who has to act Presidential -- that is, with restraint -- he is also by nature a Scholar and a Gentleman. Therefore, against a Rampant Raging nothing-is-too-Obscene BULLY, it is SET UP SO THAT OBAMA WILL LOOK WEAK. President Obama is FORCED to play by a different, a CIVILIZED set of rules!
The USUAL rules!
Rmoney gets creds for BREAKING THE RULES. {Among his followers.} Obama disappoints, looks like a {"feminine", "gay"} sissy who caves in to the "tough" Bully. A weak Contender.
The Debates are intended to be a TRAP, an AMBUSH, and were set up to be so from the moment the Debate rules were changed.

Karl Rove is a guy you wouldn't want to play a game of chess against!
[Making President Obama look "weak" is intended to PUT OFF BLACK VOTERS FROM VOTING FOR HIM AGAIN. Another part of the "Nullify the Black Vote" Strategy. Like the scene in "Roots" where the Black Slave can't prevent his wife-to-be from being raped by their White owner -- he's HELPLESS. This is the sort of SUBLIMINAL imagery involved. As I said, this guy Rove plays a mean, but oh-so-clever, "game"! On many levels.....]
 

Cam V (417)
Friday October 5, 2012, 10:17 pm
The one who seemed totally out to lunch was Obama. I am not a Rove fan myself because he is a Rhino. Again you play the race card. Get over it Mutiny. It is useless now and people are seeing it for what it is. A useless, baseless accusation thrown against good people - by other people who may be racists themselves. Take a look in the mirror.
 

Carol H (229)
Monday October 8, 2012, 4:33 am
thanks Carrie, noted
 
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