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Obama on Offense in Second Debate

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: presidential debates, obama, romney, government, ethics, elections, usa )

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Both candidates were spirited out of the gate, sparring over questions about taxes, job growth, education, and women's health, and engaging in various points in heated exchanges over energy policy and immigration


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John B (185)
Tuesday October 16, 2012, 8:11 pm
Thanks Cal. Just finished watching the debate online and was very pleased with Obama''s spirited demeanor In my mind Obama got the edge and won. Can't wait to hear what the "talking heads" have to say. Read and noted.

Rose B (141)
Tuesday October 16, 2012, 8:31 pm
Go Obama

Kit B (276)
Tuesday October 16, 2012, 8:43 pm

Obama won the debate, with style and content. The pundits are paid for their opinions, though I find better thinkers right here. I decide these issues for myself.

Susanne R (236)
Tuesday October 16, 2012, 11:00 pm
Tonight President Obama reminded me why I have so much faith in him, and Mitt reminded me, more than ever, why I don't trust him and why I never seem to believe a word that comes out of his mouth. It's obvious that Mitt is a domineering bully who always gets his way. He tries to hide it, but when he's cornered, the fangs come out. He bullied the President and the moderator and ended up making a fool of himself.

It was very disheartening to hear the "undecided" voters being interviewed. For the most part, they didn't seem to have a clue about the issues, so tonight's debate only convinced one or two from each group to decide which candidate to vote for. That's a very big problem in this country, and I resent the possibility of having to settle for the lesser candidate because an election might be decided by people who didn't do their homework. I was especially disappointed in the women in the "undecided" groups. If they had a clue about women's issues, they didn't share that knowledge with the moderator. It's possible that they were aware but were indifferent -- and that's even more pathetic!

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 2:52 am
I've watched the debate twice. I'd say Obama was a bit stronger but it was still nearly 50/50. The choice is a good speaker and a poor doer as opposed to a poorer speaker and a stronger person at getting things done. What good is rhetoric really?

Carol H (229)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 4:51 am
Obama-Biden 2012

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 5:25 am
The Economist called in a draw, Republicans are happy, Democrats are happy. I think the fact checkers will be busy.

pam w (139)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 8:55 am
I stand with women and reproductive rights. I stand with same-sex couples who demand their civil rights. I stand with taxpayers who are required to pay more than their fair share so billionaires can get richer.

I stand with these people.....Obama stands with me.

Susanne R (236)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 9:04 am
"You cannot currently send a star to pam because you have done so within the last week."

I owe you one, Pam!

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 10:43 am
He's BACK - our man is back and he made Mitt look a little desperate in my mind.... altho I must admit that while I listened intently to the President, I tried hard to drown out Mitt, especially when he referred to the "binder of women" and other great faux pas.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 1:32 pm
You could see that Mitt used the Karl Rove play book of bullying questions in rapid fire to fluster the opponent. Obama handled that and the other like they knew it was going to happen. Sure they knew! Duh! Romney lost BIG time.

Dear Friend:

I watched the Presidential Debate last night. There was a general absence of NASCAR moments, although Romney's insistence that the President actually didn't say what the President actually did say about the Benghazi attack came close. Leaving that aside, the impression that I was left with is that Romney is running a giant con game, and the American people are his marks.

Romney has a secret plan to cut unemployment.

Romney has a secret plan to eliminate the federal deficit.

Romney has a secret plan to cut the cost of higher education.

Romney has a secret plan to eliminate tax deductions and exemptions and credits.

Romney has a secret plan to cut federal spending.

Romney has a secret plan for equal pay for women.

Romney has a secret plan for healthcare reform.

Yeah, right. Whatever. And that was just the first 30 minutes.

This is showing my age, but I remember Richard Nixon's secret plan to end the war in Vietnam. As I pointed out in a speech on the Floor of the House, Nixon's secret plan was so secret that even Nixon didn't know it. Because it didn't exist; it was a campaign gimmick. But 1968 America was so hungry for peace that 43.4% of the voters bought it, and that was enough to put Nixon in the White House. Nixon then continued the war in Vietnam with US troops for four more years. At the cost of twenty thousand more American soldiers dead, and who knows how many Vietnamese?

Over the metaphysical poker table, Romney is saying to the ghost of Nixon, "I'll see you one secret plan, and I'll raise you ten more."

Many elections turn on the issue of credibility. This Presidential race will turn on the issue of gullibility. The Romney campaign begs the question: Are we really so easily taken in? Are we all babes in the woods? Did we all just crawl out of the cabbage patch? Has Uncle Sam become Uncle Sucker?

I hope not.


Alan Grayson

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 3:02 pm
Thom's blog ...Thom's great! :)
In Last Night's Presidential Debate...

Mitt Romney told 31 lies and half-truths during just 41 minutes of speaking time. That's according to a report out this morning from the Center for American Progress. Romney managed to beat his previous mark of telling 27 lies and half-truths during the first debate - which he won. The only difference this time though...President Obama called out those lies. Unlike the first debate, President Obama took the fight to Mitt Romney - successfully painting Romney as an out-of-touch corporate plutocrat who made a living "harvesting" American businesses and selling U.S. jobs off to China.

According to three snap polls after the debate - one from CBS News, one from CNN, and one from PPP - President Obama was the unanimous winner Tuesday night. The President blasted Romney's so-called 5-point economic plan, calling it a one-point plan aimed at giving the super wealthy more tax breaks. Also unlike the first debate, the President tied Mitt Romney to those now infamous 47% comments - and tied Romney to former President George W. Bush.

And in one of the more tense moments of the debate, Romney was caught in a lie when he accused the President of not calling the attacks in Libya an act of terrorism the day after they occurred. President Obama did actually refer to the attacks as terrorism and debate moderator Candy Crowley immediately fact-checked Romney. President Obama looked Presidential last night and did what he needed to do to take back control of this race.

Still, voters have lost out. With two debates down, there's been no talk about global climate change, drone warfare, domestic surveillance, and corporate corruption of our government. These are the big issues facing our nation and the world - and they deserve top billing in these debates.


donald Baumgartner (6)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 4:20 pm
Pam W said it for me!!

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 5:24 pm
Noted. Clearly Willard was on the defense. Most of his remarks just made me cringe, they were so difficult to listen to. Obama was factually correct and pointed out Willard's mistakes. Willard also kind of hung himself with that "women in binders" comment. Hopefully, soon more women will realize how totally patriarchal the Mormon church is....they don't like their women outside of the home. They have what is termed, "Callings" that each Mormon "hears from above" about what their lifetime careers should be. Women are instructed/led from an early age to take an interest in home & family. Period. The men are raised to be in charge....of everything.

Laura H (950)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 5:51 pm
President Obama was AMAZING; he won on style and content.
Mitt Romney spewed the same lines he used in the last debate and lied as many times too.

Mitt Romney is a SOCIOPATH.

Thanks for the info on the Mormon church Lois. I don't know that much about the religion but if Romney is any indication lying is not only allowed but encouraged.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 6:36 pm
Well, Rmoney FINALLY MADE THAT GAFFE WE WERE ALL EXPECTING. The "Women in binders" remark.

And, turns out it wasn't even TRUE! It was a WOMEN'S organization, that sought HIM out {both political parties, actually}, to get more Women hired.
Rmoney as Governor of Massachusetts just wanted more Women so it would "look good".
Also, this was in ANSWER to a question about Women making 72 cents to a dollar for men. Made it look as if Rmoney wanted Women, not only because it "looked good" -- but, because Women come so much CHEAPER!
Actually, Rmoney didn't answer the question asked, AT ALL...

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 6:49 pm
[Sent to me by a friend]
Some are funny, some are incomprehensible to this old lady but lots of them are fun.
Scroll way down, there're LOTS of these...

Suzanne L (89)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 9:27 pm
President Obama made a great showing. He answered more questions with specifics than Romney. Romney's economic proposals are sketchy and vague and they just don't add up. He's still outsourcing jobs to China tho' he says he'd be tough on China. Duh! The debate was contentious but Romney's style is bullying, talking over both the President and Candy Crowley, and always trying to gain more time than allotted. to him How can you not be on the offensive with such a passive-aggressive or downright aggressive guy? The President comes off as a much more respectful debater. And let's not forget Romney's binders of women vs. the President's record of promoting rights for women. Obama 2012

Gloria H (88)
Thursday October 18, 2012, 12:55 am
well, if Romney wins let's hope the Rapture comes early and takes him / his minions, and the clueless clods that voted for him to a far distant place. Then we and the planet could all breathe better.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday October 18, 2012, 1:59 am
Why Does Mitt Romney Like Firing People? Because He Made $20,000 On Every Laid-Off Worker

Mitt Romney would prefer for you to recall just one number regarding his record at Bain Capital. That would be 100,000 — the number of jobs that the Republican candidate claims he created during 15 years at the private equity firm.
But now there is a more interesting, plausible and relevant number: $20,000. That’s how much money Romney is estimated to have made from each worker laid off during Bain’s many corporate takeovers.

In fairness, Romney’s goal at Bain was never to create jobs but to reap the biggest returns for their valued investors. Judging by that metric, he did exceedingly well, as even Bill Clinton accidentally admitted when discussing Romney’s “sterling” business career. And of course, Romney’s fortune, estimated somewhere between $190 million and 250 million, attests to that assessment.
But over the course of the Romney’s years at Bain Capital, at least five of the companies he took over eventually went bankrupt, while still rewarding Bain investors handsomely:

• American Pad & Paper: Bain invested $5 million in the Ohio paper company in 1992, and reportedly collected $100 million in dividends on that investment. But AMPAD went bankrupt in 2000, resulting in 385 employees losing their jobs.

• Dade Behring: Bain invested $415 million in a leveraged buyout in 1994, borrowed an additional $421 million, and ultimately walked away with $1.78 billion. Dade filed for bankruptcy in 2002, and laid off 2,000 employees.

• DDI Corporation: Bain reportedly invested $46.3 million in the electronic parts manufacturer 1997, earning $85.5 million in profits plus $10 million more in management fees. When the company went bankrupt several years later, 2,100 workers were laid off.

• GS Industries: In 1993, Bain invested $60 million in the Kansas City steel maker, borrowed a lot of money, and then took $65 million in dividends. But GS eventually went bankrupt in 2002, and 750 workers lost their jobs and pensions.

• Stage Stores: Bain invested $5 million to purchase the Houston-based retailer and took it public in the mid-’90s, reaping $100 million from stock offerings. In 200o, following Romney’s departure from Bain, Stage filed for bankruptcy and 5,795 workers were reportedly dismissed.

While it is true that some of those companies went under after Romney had left Bain, the job growth for which he now seeks credit also occurred after his departure in 1999. But the bankruptcies — and the bust-out scenario that helped Bain to profit anyway — are not news. What AOL’s Daily Finance has contributed to the Bain debate is a simple calculation: Bain Capital booked $1.995 billion in profits from the layoffs of 11,030 workers at various firms. And by that scoring, Romney earned roughly $20,000 himself for each of those fired employees. Nice work if you can get it (or take it away from someone else).

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday October 18, 2012, 2:02 am
Why Does Mitt Romney Like Firing People? Because He Made $20,000 On Every Laid-Off Worker
[From The National Memo, June 15, 2012]
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Jo Ellen H (3)
Thursday October 18, 2012, 4:19 am
thank you cal

Past Member (0)
Friday October 19, 2012, 4:24 pm
Where are the right wing trolls? lol
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