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Intervention Debate: Experts Warn Against Syrian Adventure

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What contours might a military intervention in Syria take on? Strategists are discussing the creation of a humanitarian buffer and no-fly zone. But experts warn that 40,000 to 75,000 ground troops would be required in Syria for that to happen.


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Past Member (0)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 1:46 pm
It is a very difficult situation in Syria I think proceed with caution

noted thanks

lee e (114)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 2:26 pm
As difficult as the situation may be, and as devastating to its citizens, I have been saying that there's really no way that the US can afford intervening in another war, the GOP is getting "hungry" for it - they always send out McCain to press for battle, and as minimal and understandable as the Israeli air strike may have been, I think it sent the wrong message! This time the line should be drawn - no intervention - period! This country is getting one hell of a reputation and it's also costing us our treasury to finance! (at whose expense? - I think we know the answer to that) the military industry is all excited, but the poor and middle class cannot afford any more shenanigans from DC!

Carol H (229)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 2:41 pm
very well said Lee!!

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 3:46 pm
Noted. Thanks, Cal. I'm with Lee, too. Time for the American Empire to tend to its own and stay out of Syria. We end up arming one side, and then they end up using our own weapons against us later.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 6:09 pm
Agreed Lee! We need to keep our noses and our troops out of this. This county's (America) broke and we do have a nasty reputation worldwide now...and not a lot to back it up with. KEEP OUT...of anyone elses business this time around.

Jason S (50)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 9:26 pm
Good posting, thanks

Jason S (50)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 9:35 pm
War is money, good posting, thanks

Ellen m (215)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 10:29 pm
Spot on Lee.
I was never one who agreed with the "My country right or wrong" mindset, and i'm sure as hell not willing to extend it to an ally government such as Israel, or any other for that matter.

We desperately need STATESMEN that can help defuse as many of these conflicts as possible, but thery seem to be as rare as hens teetjh at this point in time...*sigh

Lynn D (0)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 1:55 am
Thanks for info!

Diane B (275)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 1:58 am
my heart is crying for all the innocent victims, children who don't have parentsanymore, the help from outside don't arrive in Syria !!! children drinks now unsafe warer, are following lessons that fighting is not the answer, they has been fighten enough last years !!!!! I have Syrians friends in a camp and they show me the realithy from what is going on there. They never showed this horrible pictures or how people and children must life in Homs. I hate America for what they really do with innocent children, woman and animals.
Show us the truth media !!!!!!! Not what you may or bot !! We wanr the truth !!!!

Jay S (116)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 5:15 am
The US of A has been 'intervening' in, invading, occupying and plundering other countries for all but 3 of the last 250 years (not counting the initial illegal immigrants who stepped off their boats and started stealing the native peoples' lands, often killing them and driving them off it with guns (still ever so popular there), even tho some of those tribes were true democracies with women as chiefs, and they definitely were cleaner.

When are US Americans going to quit falling for these constant wars and the Big Lies always told of 'saving freedom and democracy' BS?? The US has never gone to the aid of anyone unless it is in the interests of its Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex that even General Eisenhower warned us all about, but obviously no one listened. And these wars of greed and neo-colonialism always come back and bite the US, and its impoverished taxpayer-funders of it all, in the butt.

The Democrats and Republicans are the same, only differing cosmetically on a few issues domestically. They are just two different wings of the One Corporate Military Party, along with the evil Saudis, that has run the US government and media since nearly the beginning - one right of center and the other far right. And 250 years later the ignorant, ill-informed US people still fall for the patriotic gingoism every time - "Save Democracy" (as if they themselves really had it), "Spread Freedom", "We need a stronger Defense!" (just how much defense can a country have and from whom? Mexico? Canada?) "Support Our Troops" - no matter what atrocities or debauceries they are committing.

Militarism is a big part of the USAmerican Religion - the only true faith (and has a lot in common with the other one), and it is heresy to criticize it or show it up to be false. It is Blasphemy to expose the lies and the corruption and destruction and human suffering caused by the US and its militarism, installing and funding of brutal dictators, breaking of international laws, ignoring true human suffering and need, and the lie of the US as the only giver of aid to all the world (in fact the US is the stingiest giver in per capita foreign development aid - with Norway number one and the EU and western EU countries far ahead in that department, but the Corporate owned US media keeps the lies pouring forth so the US taxpayers will continue bowing to the sacred missiles and paying their money out to keep Haliburton, Exxon, Boeing, Blackwater and all the other greedy, immoral corporations getting richer and richer, while creating more and more hate for the US and causing more misery for others.)

Read award-winning author Naomi Klein's excellent "The Shock Doctrine" and see just what the US has really done around the world and how its aggression and terrorism has brought about the messed up world we see today. See how the US (along with its patsies the UK and NATO) are responsible for the horror that is Islamic Iran today and how Latin Americans lived under terror, brutality, murder and lack of any freedoms for decades because of US money and actions. (Fortunately the US is nearly bankrupt from all this militarism, just like happened to the Roman Empire, and Latin America is free at last and blossoming). It's all there and very well documented. Open your eyes and stop this.

The only way to stop this evil Corporate plundering mass murder and constant war is to vote for Independents. It will never stop as long as Democrats or their near identical twins, the Republicans, rule the land, and the world. Just look at Obama - his foreign policy wouldn't be any different from any Republican, except that he's promoting even more the sinister Saudis and Islamists in their world conquest, but so did the Bushes, Reagan and the slimy Clinton. Kick them all out, but the Corporate-owned media only tells you what you are supposed to know, so that is unlikely to ever happen with a brainwashed, ignorant electorate. And this is called 'Democracy'? Freedom? Freedom to starve and die without medical help, anyway.

Now that the anti-human rights, anti-all freedoms Saudis are directing where the next US Corporate Military attack will take place, it's easy to predict where. Just look at where the Saudis are funding unrest and who they are against and for (right now they are focusing their attention, along with their front group the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama's best friends, on Syria where their backed 'rebels' are already ethnically cleansing all non-Muslim religious minorities, treated well under the Assad regimes - as they fight, with US help, to establish another Islamic Sharia hate state - oppressing women, killing gays and critics and apostates. Where is the outrage by all the so-called 'Liberals'?. So much for the 'Liberal' media).

US taxpayer money and military and Corporations will be right behind the Saudis/Muslim Brotherhood - Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, and right now Syria. They say jump, and Obama and the rest ask how high. Disgusting.

You wonder why Iran is the only Islamic dictatorship and brutal regime that Obama criticizes - he loves all the other Saudi/MB installed Islamist tyrants? Because they are Shi'as and Saudis are Sunnis and the Saudis hate them (the Assads of Iraq are Alawites, an ancient religion that has survived by pretending to be Muslims, so the Saudis hate them too). So why didn't Obama do anything to aid the Iranian people when they tried to rise up and throw off the hateful, brutal Islamist rulers? Because the Saudis feared that Islam would be exterminated, and according to polls that appears to be true as the Iranian people show their hatred of this ideology of hate and oppression. They've suffered under Sharia/Islamic law for over 30 years and the Saudis are afraid that a free Iranian people will renounce Islam and will ignite similar unrest against Islamic oppression throughout the region. They can't risk that as Islam can only survive with oppression and the absence of freedom of speech. It can't stand up to the light of honest criticism. So Obama opposes the Shi'a government, but won't help the people gain their freedom. that would threaten Islam's grip.

Wait and see what he and the Saudis have in store for Iran. And all this corruption, war and suffering is brought to you by the US taxpayer where 50million don't have access to medical care, where the gap between rich and poor is worse than Cameroon, where the maternal and fetal death rate is at Third World levels, where thousands of bridges are closed and unsafe, where education is increasingly out of reach of the working poor, where bank/corporate corruption brings no punishment when it destroys millions of lives and makes millions homeless, where trillions are gladly blown on war and killing, but anything for the people, like in a real civilized country, is treated with disdain and as Socialism! Horrors, as if the military itself wasnt' 'Socialist', along with public owned libraries (the ones that are left, anyway), police and fire departments etc. But that's Corporate-owned 'news' media brainwashing for you - keep redistributing your money UP to the ever richer 1%. Incredible.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 5:54 am
So, we have to quote a n Analyst from the German Institute for International and Security Affairs and the admits the pentagon is reviewing plans all while denying that it is possible to implement and that everyone is against it? I guess that's why it was in the SPIEGEL.

. (0)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 7:37 am
Have we learned nothing from Iraq? We need to stay out of Syria's business.

Bryna P (139)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 10:02 am
Thank you for keeping us informed about this serious issue! (n, p, t)

Winn Adams (179)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 2:03 pm

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 2:25 pm
Facts and experts won't stop neocons.

Birgit W (160)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 7:08 pm

John B (185)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 8:11 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the article by Ulrike Putz. No military intervention by the US! Diplomacy only! Not that my thoughts will carry any wait but that is how I feel. Read and noted.

Eddie O (95)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 10:02 pm
When it comes to War, it seems there' are three kinds of people:

1. Those with a functioning heart, who have sincere compassion towards the people who will suffer due to war and killing. 2. Those who truly want to kill and bring suffering to as many people as they can, possibly due to their own inner hell, jealousy, fear, hatred, or military/societal brainwashing. 3. And, those who see how lucrative war can be to their bank accounts and somehow shut down their hearts and minds to the suffering their insatiable greed for money and power will cause others.

Sadly, unbeknownst to them, the actions of the last two types of people will bring about immense suffering to their own lives as well, as no negative cause can ever happen without bringing about a negative effect to the perpetrator of the negative cause.

Cause and effect is absolute, even though there may be quite the time lag before the effect manifest. This is similar to the life of an oak tree residing inside the acorn. It may not appear for years or longer, but when the external conditions: dirt, water, & sunlight appear, the oak tree will manifest. Same with our karma as it can remain dormant for a long time until something in the environment activates it, which will definitely come about at some time after the cause is made.

Anyway, we obviously need many more people of the first kind, the ones who aren't filled with fear, greed, and hatred, and the ones who have the wisdom and courage to listen to, and abide by, their hearts and inner compassion.

Lloyd H (46)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:42 am
Thanks for the article. The fact is there are no good choices, hell there are no acceptable choices except Diplomacy! Let's be honest, for all of his past heroic service to the USA, John McCain has become a deranged War monger. He lost his standing in the 'National Security Arena' on April 20, 2007 when he sang Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran with a chuckled and a smile as a contender for the US Presidency. Again he proved his lack of mental competency when he chose Sara Palin to be 'one heart beat away from the Presidency.And as he has shown repeatedly he will damn and oppose anything President Obama says or does simply because President Obama is the one saying it.
Syria is a lose, lose, lose situation for the US. It is nearly impossible to ignore the plight of the civilian population and it is totally impossible to help them through anything other than diplomacy and humanitarian aid. Any and all military and munitions options, including a 'No Fly Zone', are disasters. The 'Rebel' forces are an amalgam of groups that range from true rebels to Al Qaeda offshoots to sectarians to religious militias that will turn on each other to grab power as soon as Assad is down. There is no way to have the remotest control over which of the various groups comprising the Anti-Assad forces will end up with any weapons provided. A no fly zone in Syria is nothing like the one forLibyaa as the Syrian anti-aircraft system is at least 5X stronger.
Then there is the plain and simple fact that the "Cold War" mind set and 'Domino Effect' fears can no longer justify America as the Policeman of the World. Just as there is no longer any justification for the USA tinstallal and prop up Totalitarian Regimes, Juntas and Dictators or topple Leftist governments as buffers against Communism. Those tactics as well as military/arms intervention in Syria only serve to recruit Anti-American terrorists around the World.

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 9:36 am
The pro-Assad forces...the free Syria Army...Al Qaeda Islamists...the Kurds. 4 warring factions. Syria has all the hallmarks of another Iraq.

The West should stay out of Syria and talk peace and reconciliation, instead of fanning the flames of war.

Melania P (123)
Monday May 27, 2013, 2:43 pm
I think governments should intervene, I donīt know what they are waiting for, the suffering of those people, and mostly women and children is enough.
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