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Beyond Ukraine: Russia's Imperial Mess

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Russia's occupation of Crimea has violated international law and created a new crisis among world leaders. Now the EU and the US are fighting over the best means to address Russia's reawakened expansionary ambitions.


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Past Member (0)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 9:07 am

Deborah W (6)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 2:44 pm
Paralleled only by our own.

Parsifal S (99)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 3:53 pm

According to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), the elimination of Kosovo from Serbia in 2008 is not contrary to international law.

‘The Declaration of February 17, 2008 does not violate the general international law’,

ICJ President Hisashi Owada said at the time in The Hague in the reading of the legal report of the ICJ, which was approved with ten to four judges' votes.

‘International law knows no prohibition of declarations of Independence’

Owada said.

Now revenge, that the West has recognized Kosovo at that time.
This precedent is called the West as an authoritative model, arguing, you have the secession of Kosovo from Serbia advocated vehemently and now the Crimea relies on the same right.

The assertion of Obama, Kerry, Merkel and the likes, the elimination of the Crimea and the holding of a referendum would be illegal is not shared by the ICJ, but confirmed as a legitimate right.

Western politicians and media to make incorrect statements.
As long as it fits their strategic agenda, an independence is all right, as well as of Southern Sudan.
In the case of Crimea now not.
It again shows their double moral standard and their use of two yardsticks and two sets of scales.

Crimea seeks status of an autonomous republic in the Russian Federation

I mean, even the United States of America are indeed the result of a declaration of independence.
On July 4, 1776 the 13 colonies announced independence of Great Britain and are no longer part of the British Empire.
This day is but celebrated vast every year in the U.S..
How then can just Obama, a trained lawyer, call a declaration of independence illegal ?
Into the bargain, it’s the people of Crimea will decide on splitting off Ukraine or not.

Or just think of the German reunification.
The GDR People's Chamber also has decided on the ‘accession’ to the FRG, why should the parliament of Crimea this should not be allowed in regard to Russia ?

The will of the people in a democracy does not count anymore ?

What happened in Kiev, should be ‘the expression of the democratic will of the people’ is told us.
But it was a violent coup without referendum.
Now, a referendum will be held in Crimea and the result should not be legitimate ?

Parsifal S (99)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 3:57 pm

According to a survey by the Institute for Political and Sociological Research of the Republic of Crimea 77% of people will vote in the Crimea and in Sevastopol for the merger with Russia.
In Sevastopol, which has a special status in the Crimea, 85% believe they should unite with Russia.
The survey also revealed that 97% of the population of Sevastopol and the Crimea assess the situation in Ukraine because of the government-coup in Kiev negative, while 84% say that Ukraine is experiencing a crisis.
83% of the population of Crimea disapprove of the Nazi government coup in Kiev.

Scotland in September will vote about his independence.
Impose NATO and the EU sanctions ?

The transfer of power to the Nazis in 1933 have tolerated our ancestors.
Today we are to criticize Putin that the Republic of Crimea in 2014 prevents the transfer of power to the Nazis in the Crimea ?

Howard Crosse (21)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 3:57 pm
I am unclear on the rights and wrongs in this case, in honesty I can see points from both camps. What concerns me is where this crisis might end up. It strikes me that rich and powerful people have a lot to gain from war whereas it is poor people who pay with their lives.

Louise D (44)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 3:58 pm
The referendum in the Crimea tomorrow has been very much forced on the people, the Russians are hardly giving the option other than join Russia or leave Ukraine. The fact that Russia is accusing the west of Imperialism yet is very much engaging in it's own imperialism. Putin is very much acting in the tsarist autocratic manner, free speech is curtailed with political opponents jailed on trumped up charges, he has stopped killing them as it is a bit messy. If anything he got away with annexing 20% of Georgia and cocked his thumb at the international community so he is annexing a bit of Ukraine for not playing to his script. The US is although powerful is emasculated due to the bipartisan infighting and the European Union has no military options so he will get away from it for the time being. Though the whole Crimean escapade may just bite him in the ass just now he may start getting even more bellicose so expect him to escalate the situation I understand that according to John Titor Russia attacks the US and Europe in March 2015 with nukes. It really just looks like he is wanting to go back to the old Cold War games, it kept a lot of his pals in business and he can certainly make money either way.

Winn A (179)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 6:18 pm
Putin is a bully and someone needs to replace him NOW,

elderberry C (47)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 6:56 pm
Looks like supports the Neo Nazis !

Parsifal S (99)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 11:30 pm

Elderberry - is the voice of Israel in Germany and one of the worst disinformation papers but the resistance and dissent of Germans is growing.
Just read comments of the readers in this concoction.
Same applies for the Governments media and broadcast corporations (not only in Germany...)

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 2:11 am
The western powers would be wise to heed the warnings it seems that the people of Crimea wish to join with Russia so let them.The west is likely to make matters worse rather than better.A war with Russia won't be the pushover that the western powers are used to.This is a matter to be resolved between Russia the Ukraine and Crimea it has nothing to do with anybody else.

Gabriele Jefferson (147)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 6:40 am
noted, shared on fb, twitter, google+, thx.

. (0)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 8:31 am
If you control the Crimea you control the Black Sea and access to the Mediterranean. Secondly, it is a simple push to take Moldova which is not a military nation by threat of military occupation or financial aid. Then you can squeeze the western Ukraine into compliance without invading. After all the Ukraine is surrounded. One factor being missed in all this and I'm not sure how relevant it is, is that many Ukrainians were supporters of Hitler in WW2 and payback's a bitch. Of course it is paramount to remember the Holodomor or famine of 1932-1933 created by the Communist regime under Stalin. Old feuds die hard in these regions; sort of like the Hatfield's and McCoys.
Thirdly, it prevents the US through USAID and other similar "NGOs" who really are the CIA in drag from possibly setting up an air base in the Ukraine like they were doing in Georgia. After all it's only a hop, skip and a jump for a long range bomber or two to blow hell out of Iran who is a Russian ally and China's catspaw in the Middle East. Did y'all miss the fact that the PRC and Russia recently came to a suitable agreement on the Crimea which gives Putin a green light? So much for the UN Security Council. What a gross criminal joke that agency is.
There is no easy solution for this but you can bet the Oligarchs and other criminals are going to make huge profits out of this.Ukraine owes Gazprom $2.02 billion for three months of gas supplies this year already and a loan of 15 Billion would put it deeper in debt to Russia and its corporatists. There is no easy way out for the Ukraine.
Ukraine has already burned the main global financial rescuer, the International Monetary Fund, by failing to keep to the terms of earlier bailouts from 2008 and 2010. Even with a bail-out, the country would face testing times. It will likely be asked to make painful reforms – including a potential doubling in the price of gas – that would hurt standards of living as the economy recovers [National Telegraph 02/14/14].
Ukraine is rich in natural resources: coal, iron ore, manganese, nickel and uranium, and others. The reserves of sulphur are the largest in the world, the reserves of mercury ore are the second largest. Also more than 5% of world reserves of iron ore are concentrated in Ukraine [].
One can see the IMF wheels turning on behalf of the Elites. Bring the nation to its knees. Make austerity economic cuts to every facet of the nation and then control necessary and much desired resources while reducing local population. It's the standard game plan deployed in Russia in the 90s and in Africa and other "developing" nations.since the 60s. Russia and its comptrollers had hoped that the financial unpaid invoice and future financial assistance would have been enough of a detriment preventing Russia from falling into the Western sphere of operations.
It hasn't and here we are.

. (0)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 8:50 am
BTW, I was merely drawing on the Hatfield/McCoy feud as an analogy that most Americans could relate to. This is a far more complex situation.
Still, economics is the major factor as it is in all wars and major conflicts. Oh my, you didn't think that the Trojan War was really fought over Helen did you?
The golden apple that represented the fairest woman in the land in mythology wasn't really Helen but the riches that Troy obtained through conquest and commerce. Helen was merely and excuse for the Greeks to invade and take over control of the Dardanelles, the straight that controls access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean just as it does today and always has.
Even the Peloponnesian War was about economics. An empire as big as the Persian Empire had overpopulated and was low on resources and tribute. It gave the Greeks the point they needed to rally against a common foe and a nation once divided by tribes was reborn. It is the same formula for all empires from the time after the "great flood" from Sumeria to America. It's time we as humans started learning those lessons.

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 10:28 am
Basically, I agree with Parsifal. I'm not in the mood for my own comment, except that:
People have the right to define their future! - Even if it's self-destructive...

Michael S. S (0)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 1:06 pm
The nations of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus plus Poland Czech Republic and Slovakia should all be one Country which could be called the Union of Slavic States (USS) or United Slavic Republic (USR) Bulgaria and what was Yugoslavia Bosnia,Croatia Serbia Slovenia and Montenegro should also form one country which could be called
the United Slavic Federation (USF) or Federation of Slavic States (FSS)

Robert O (12)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 1:23 pm
Thanks Cal.

jan b (5)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 1:56 pm
What's John McCain and the war-hawks going to do ..... if the Ukraine vs Russia solve their own problems.

Birgit W (160)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 2:11 pm
Thanks Cal.

Muriel Servaege (53)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 2:47 pm
Thank you, Cal. Frightening. I hopê Ukraine and Russia can solve their problems. Indeed, I wouldn't like Europe to interfere ...

Betty Kelly (4)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 4:18 pm
I am not privey to all the inner workings in this situation. I do think America needs to keep in mind that our governments #1 job is to protect USA. We surely need to avoid war and risking American lives.

Winn A (179)
Monday March 17, 2014, 7:15 am
Thanks Cal.

Jamie Clemons (282)
Monday March 17, 2014, 11:25 am
Could just as easily read USA occupation of Iraq and Afganistan has violated international law and created a new crisis among world leaders. Now the rest of the unwilling coalition are fighting over the best means to address USA's reawakened expansionary ambitions. Now the US has paid no-fascist elements to overthrow the elected leaders of the Ukraine.

Klaus Peters (14)
Tuesday March 18, 2014, 12:18 pm
CCCP Stalin = Putin's ambitions to re-create a new Soviet empire with the threat of nuclear weapons. I feel sorry for the Ukraine. Nikita Khrushchev rewarded the Ukraine for their efforts taking the brunt of WW2 by giving them the Crimean peninsula back! Putin tells them: F... you. I want it back and more. How can one trust Russia as a responsible world citizen. I must admit, I have been to the USSR several times, I love the warm hearted Russian people, but hate their arrogant cold hearted politicians.
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