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Why Native Hawaiians Are Saying No to a $1.4 Billion Telescope


Society & Culture  (tags: protection, environment, destruction, tradition, progress, development, indigenousrights, ecosystems, society, world )

AWAY AWHI
- 1326 days ago - csmonitor.com
An ongoing battle between native Hawaiians and astronomers intending to build a telescope on a traditionally sacred mountain has sparked debate over which is more important: progress or tradition?



   

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Animae C (507)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 2:34 am
RESPECT native sacred sites!

The petition posted by Sabine;
http://www.care2.com/news/member/652195743/3892293

Thanx Cal
 

Ingo Schreiner (8)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 4:59 am
thanx
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 7:30 am
I posted a petition on this over 2 months ago and I checked to see if the petition was still active it is. So if you had not signed it back then please consider doing so. This is different than the one AniMae mentions that Sabine had posted.

Mauna Kea Petition Through Change Dot Org
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 9:10 am
Currently blocked on facebook.
Signed, and shared on twittersphere
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 12:28 pm
Signed-thanks
 

JinnySITEISSUES L (33)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 1:49 pm
Honor the Native Hawaiians....erect the telescope elsewhere. The sacred mountain is sacred..... that simple. Thanks for sharing Cal.
 

JinnySITEISSUES L (33)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 1:53 pm
And, thanks Dandelion...signed petition.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Thursday July 2, 2015, 1:40 am
Noted
 

MJ M (88)
Thursday July 2, 2015, 12:43 pm
I look at it that the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) will enhance the spiritual power of the mountain. It seems odd that the natives would use the claim that they would, "..lose our place in time and space and then we are lost.” when this telescope will teach us more about our place in time and space than staring at the mountain ever would.
 

Birgit W (160)
Thursday July 2, 2015, 1:21 pm
Leave the sacred mountain alone. I signed the petition already. Thank you.
 

Jordan G (37)
Thursday July 2, 2015, 3:24 pm
I understand MJ's view, but the natives are entitled to their space (no pun). Must we cement over every blade of useable grass?

There are enough gigantic telescopes and wonderful places to put more. No one is a bigger fan of space exploration than I, but I also recognize the rights of others to reserve certain spaces and locations.
 

S J (130)
Thursday July 2, 2015, 5:44 pm
I love telescope so much, but why on the top of people's home. nowhere else?
thank you Cal and AniMae and Sabine/ already signed Dandelion's some times ago
 

Roslyn M (30)
Friday July 3, 2015, 3:38 am
Noted
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 4:00 am
You'd think they wanted to build a casino on the mountain rather than a scientific instrument that could help unravel the mysteries of the universe.
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 4:37 am
Telescopes are built bigger and bigger while their instruments become more and more advanced, so the most important limiting factor to the performance of modern observatories is therefore not technology but the atmosphere that we need to look through.

This problem is often solved by placing the telescopes in orbit around the Earth, well above the influence of our atmosphere. Unfortunately this method is not yet possible for the observatories using the largest mirrors, which must therefore be built in places where the atmosphere has a minimal impact.

With this philosophy in mind, the Thirty Meter Telescope project (TMT) set out in 2004 to search the globe for the ideal location for its observatory. After a satellite study that aimed at narrowing down the search to a few specific regions, a team of astronomers took their equipment to some of the most promising peaks in Chile, Mexico, and Hawaii. For 5 years, these peaks yielded a mountain of data about each site.

From obvious parameters such as cloudiness and wind speed, to more obscure quantities such as turbulence and sky emissivity, a complete set of characteristics were measured that helped TMT choose Mauna Kea as the site for its observatory.

If someone knows of a better spot on earth for this cutting edge scientific instrument than the 13,600 summit surrounded by thousands of miles of clear, dark ocean air, I'm very interested in where that would be.
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 4:41 am
If someone knows of a better spot on earth for this cutting edge scientific instrument than the 13,600 ft. summit surrounded by thousands of square miles of clear, dark ocean air, I'm very interested in where that would be.
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 7:41 am
These are the telescopes that are already on the mountain. Mauna Kea Observatories

I really don't understand the harm one more would cause. Especially one that holds the promise of discovery that this one does..
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 8:20 am
I have to ask those of you that signed the petition to stop construction of the TMT on the Mauna Kea summit. Are you also in favor of removing all of the other telescopes on the mountain as well, to make more room for these imaginary gods?
 

MJ M (88)
Friday July 3, 2015, 8:25 am
Doesn't this really boil down to the struggle between knowledge and superstition? Seriously, which side should we all be on?
 

Danuta W (1251)
Friday July 3, 2015, 1:15 pm
noted
 

Suneet Srivastava (1)
Friday July 3, 2015, 1:39 pm
Absolutely mind boggling! People fight to get projects like this in there place. And these people are fighting against it. such a fantastic scientific innovation on there land! Anybody smart would be happy to actually support this. it is not like drilling oil, cutting forest and taking resources. it is a TELESCOPE.

99% of the facts of the universe have been discovered by Telescope like these. The Start of the universe "big Bang" and the expansion was discovered by "Edwin hubble" by a Telescope like this.

HOW MUCH MORE SACRED CAN IT GET THAN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE UNIVERSE WE LIVE IN!
 

Panchali Yapa (26)
Friday July 3, 2015, 1:46 pm
Thank you
 

Colleen L (3)
Friday July 3, 2015, 9:26 pm
Signed both petition. Thanks Cal
 

Vikram S (41)
Saturday July 4, 2015, 12:36 am
Thanks for sharing. Noted.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Saturday July 4, 2015, 4:15 am
TY Cal.
 

Panchali Yapa (26)
Sunday July 5, 2015, 5:41 am
Thank you
 

Sergio Padilla (65)
Monday July 13, 2015, 12:20 pm
They have the right to say no to the telescope
 
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