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Michael Moore's Capitalism Goes for Broke


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Rosemary
- 3539 days ago - time.com
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." So wrote Thomas Jefferson to a friend in 1816. Now Michael Moore, whose Fahrenheit 9/11 took on the U.S. Army, and the entire military-executive-industrial establishment ... Continues:



   

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Rosemary Rannes (642)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 12:15 pm
By Mary Corliss / Venice

"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." So wrote Thomas Jefferson to a friend in 1816. Now Michael Moore, whose Fahrenheit 9/11 took on the U.S. Army, and the entire military-executive-industrial establishment, brings his latest documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story, to the Venice Film Festival. The land of Macchiavelli and the Medici is the perfect setting for Moore's nonfiction tragicomedy of greed and chicanery on Wall Street, in Washington, D.C., and through the entire economic apparatus. The movie will have its world premiere here tonight, before playing the Toronto Film Festival next week, opening Sept. 23 in New York and Los Angeles and achieving wide release Oct. 2.

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Writing on his web site, Moore proclaimed, "The director of the festival [Marco Mueller] said that our movie was 'incredibly symphonic' and that he was moved by its epic nature. Jeez, these Italians! Everything's an opera to them!" The movie is not opera so much as impassioned journalism — a broadside fired at the good ship Free Enterprise, with the hope of altering its course, and dislodging the pirates who have seized it.
(Read an interview with Michael Moore.)


Capitalism: A Love Story does not quite measure up to Moore's Sicko in its cumulative power, and it is unlikely to equal Fahrenheit 9/11 in political impact. In many ways, though, this is Moore's magnum opus: the grandest statement of his career-long belief that big business is screwing the hard-working little guy while government connives in the atrocity. As he loudly tried to confront General Motors CEO Roger Smith in Roger & Me in 1989, and pleaded through a bull horn to get officials at Guantanamo to give medical treatment to surviving victims of 9/11, so in Capitalism he attempts to make a citizen's arrest of AIG executives, and puts tape around the New York Stock Exchange building, declaring it a crime scene.
(See the 25 people to blame for the financial crisis.)


Moore's admirers and detractors alike will recognize his methods in the new film: brisk, pointed synopses of complicated issues (though even a Harvard professor has trouble describing what a derivative is); sad tales of working-class families evicted from their homes because their mortgage rates ballooned; a snowbank of statistics, such as that worker productivity has increased by 45% since 1980 while average real income is stagnant; and pert clips ranging from 1950s instructional films to that YouTube favorite, "Cat Flushing a Toilet Music Video." The material is, as always in Moore movies, efficiently and amusingly marshaled to serve the larger theme: that the establishment thrives by cheating ordinary Americans.
(Read Michael Moore's take on Bernie Madoff for the TIME 100)

How so? Moore eagerly counts the ways. He lays out the "Dead Peasants" insurance loophole by which a corporation can take out policies on their rank-and-file workers and, when they die, reap millions in tax-free payouts. To support his position that airlines are risking catastrophe by underpaying their pilots, he excerpts the Congressional testimony of Hudson River hero Chesley Sullenberger, who notes that his pay had been cut 40% and he lost his pension. In an episode that might have come from a Dickens novel, Moore tells of two Pa. judges who shut down a state-run detention center and sentenced children, some for the most minor of infractions, to a facility run by a private company that kicked back millions to the judges.

The anecdotes are instructive and appalling; and if they meander off the immediate talking point of the trillions the banks took in bailout money last year and the billions they made in profits this year, they bolster Moore's belief that no one should have been surprised by the collapse of a corrupt system, and the ingenuity with which the big-money boys land on their feet while stepping on ours. He must also have thought that many in his audience would be familiar with the shuttle of heavy hitters between Goldman Sachs and recent Administrations, Republican and Democratic. Moore does summon University of Missouri professor Bill Black, author of the 2005 book The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One, to describe Robert Rubin, Henry Paulsen, Lawrence Summers, Timothy Geithner and others as "powerful lobbyists from the inside, and we paid their salaries."

Black and Ohio Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur are Moore's star witnesses; he gets Kaptur to agree, without too much prodding, that the events of the past 12 months amount to "a financial coup d'etat." The rhetorical pitch keeps rising until, toward the end, Moore suggests a solution: not from the government down but from the grass roots up, through community groups (like LIFFT in Miami), united workers (like those at Republic Windows and Doors in Chicago) and the common decency of elected officials (like the Wayne County, Mich., sheriff who decided to stop foreclosures on his neighbors' homes).

At the end Moore says, "I refuse to live in a country like this — and I'm not leaving." But this call to arms demands more than a ringleader; it requires a ring, an engaged citizenry who are mad enough not to take it any more. That's unlikely to happen. Moore's films are among the top-grossing documentaries in history because they are pertinent populist entertainments. The question remains: will Capitalism: A Love Story rouse the rabble to revolt? Or will audiences sit appreciatively through the movie, then go home and play the cat-in-the-toilet video?
 

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 2:07 pm
He's finally outed himself as a full-fledged socialist with this latest shlockumentary.
Reuters reported:


Capitalism is evil. That is the conclusion U.S. documentary maker Michael Moore comes to in his latest movie "Capitalism: A Love Story," which premieres at the Venice film festival Sunday.

Blending his trademark humor with tragic individual stories, archive footage and publicity stunts, the 55-year-old launches an all out attack on the capitalist system, arguing that it benefits the rich and condemns millions to poverty.

"Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil," the two-hour movie concludes.
Obviously, this is a role he plays in the movies and not in real life.
Here is some information on Moore's residence in northern Michigan:

Just some data for if you run a piece on Michael Moore's new movie.
Capitalism sure has been evil for Mike. For reference, Torch Lake is among the two or three most desirable places to live in Northern Michigan. Normally Moore says that Traverse City is his adopted hometown, or lies and says that he lives in Bellaire, like he has some kind of log cabin in the woods.
Nope, his home is an expensive house on 150 ft of lake frontage.

Owner Name(s):MOORE MICHAEL & GLYNN KATHLEEN
Property Address:
*** * **** ***** **** **
CENTRAL LAKE, MI 49622

Property Information
Current Taxable Value:$390,976
School District:Bellaire

Current Assessment:$647,200
Current Homestead:100%
Current Property Class:40 - Residential

Last Year's Assessment:$647,200
Last Year's Homestead:100%
Last Year's Property Class:40 - Residential
Lake Frontage:Torch Lake
Waterfront Footage:150.48 ft. "17
 

mary f (200)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 3:22 am
THANKS ROSEMARY
 

Roger RA (70)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 5:57 am
Maybe someday we will have "STATESMEN" in our Congress that point out the CANCER of our institutions, including the "earmarks" and all the back room payouts that confirm this CORRUPTION.
I'd vote for a whole Congress of Michael Moore's, no matter where or how he lives!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 2:59 pm
From The Progressive Populist, Sept. 15, 2009:

'Earlier this year, a Rasmussen poll indicated that 20% of Americans thought Socialism was a better system than Capitalism: the percentage was even higher among younger respondents, up to a third of whom favored a Socialist approach. In a country whose citizens are taught from birth to fear and loath Socialism while equating Capitalism with Americanism, this was a startling development. We apparently now have nearly as many "Socialists" as Republicans in the land of the free......... it's obvious many of us are beginning to question the received wisdom about our existing economic order, whose performance fails to match the rhetoric associated with it......... The practice of Capitalism, in other words, bears no relationship to the theory.'
Wayne M. O'Leary, The 'S' Word
=====================================
READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT IT!!!

20% OF AMERICANS THINK SOCIALISM IS A BETTER SYSTEM THAN CAPITALISM -- THEY WOULD RATHER, RATHER, LIVE UNDER A SOCIALIST SYSTEM!
THAT'S MORE LIKE 33% WHEN IT COMES TO YOUNG PEOPLE!

Young people, as well as Elders like myself, would RATHER live under a Socialist system, because WE WANT EVERYONE TO LIVE UNDER THE SAME SORTS OF ADVANTAGES THAT A FEW OF US HAVE. Does it make me feel GOOD to see a homeless person on the street, when I have a comfortable place to lay my head? NO IT DOES NOT. That doesn't mean I give all my money that I have away to the homeless! The system doesn't work that way, would NEVER work that way, to better the condition of the homeless. I JUST WANT TO SEE EVERYONE HAVE THEIR BASIC NEEDS OF FOOD, CLOTHING, SHELTER, MEDICAL CARE, AND EDUCATION, MET. By means of an EQUITABLE AND FAIR distribution of ALL Wealth and Resources! That's ALL that Socialism really means!

Your PUBLIC LIBRARIES, that are FREE TO ALL, are a form of SOCIALISM. Your POLICE FORCE, your FIRE DEPARTMENT, don't just protect you if you are able to PAY them, if they can PROFIT off of you -- they are SOCIALIST, too!!! You don't pay for food inspections that keep you safe, I could go on and on. WE HAVE SOCIALISM RIGHT HERE AND NOW; and have had it for AGES. We just DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT. WE NEED A LOT MORE SOCIALISM, and a lot LESS PROFIT-MAKING CAPITALISM.

We DON'T NEED "privatized" jails, for example, making CAPITALIST PROFITS OUT OF PEOPLE'S SUFFERING. We DON'T NEED PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES, MAKING UNLIMITED CAPITALIST PROFITS OUT OF PEOPLE'S SUFFERING.

The fact that an extremely popular best-selling author makes a lot of money and perhaps can afford good health care, a decent home, college education for the kids maybe, etc. etc. etc., doesn't mean that he SELFISHLY WANTS EVERYBODY ELSE to NOT have the same advantages! Which is apparently YOUR point-of-view, NE L, since YOU ASSUME EVERYONE SHARES IT.

Michael Moore has made it CLEAR, time and again, that HE IS NOT HAPPY HAVING ADVANTAGES THAT OTHER AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE. If Michael Moore chose as an eccentric to live in a drafty shack, that would NOT change for one moment, the FACT THAT THERE ARE MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF HOMELESS, OF UNEMPLOYED, OF HUNGRY, AND OF UNTREATED SICK, IN AMERICA. That fact bothers Michael Moore, it bothers ME, it bothers most of the people reading this; but, apparently, NE L, YOU THINK THAT IS JUST FINE & DANDY.

In countries that have SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, NOT ONE PERSON OR FAMILY, HAS EVER GONE BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF MEDICAL EXPENSES. Not ONE. It would be literally IMPOSSIBLE. In the United States, however, where PROFIT RULES OVER ALL, there OVER HALF THE FAMILIES THAT WENT BANKRUPT, ALREADY EVEN HAD MEDICAL INSURANCE.
When the Insurance runs out, when you can't pay any more, can't be bled dry any more by the Insurance Company, THEN your Coverage stops too! THAT is a DEATH PANEL. TELL ME how that is NOT a DEATH PANEL!

Socialist countries like CUBA and VENEZUELA, not to mention all of EUROPE, have FAR BETTER HEALTH CARE THAN THE UNITED STATES. And it is ALL FREE, TOO. In an International ranking of ALL countries, taking into consideration life expectancies, infant mortality, disease statistics, etc., the United States came in -- THIRTY-SEVENTH, in Quality of Health Care!!! Not even in the Top Twenty! but 37th! Yet, WE PAY BY FAR THE MOST OF ANY COUNTRY {for far inferior care!}.

You guys paid-off by the crazy Repukelicans who are SOOOOO upset about losing their power, {let's hope PERMANENTLY!}; you are with your constant anti-Health-Care-pay-the-insurance-companies-till-you-die propaganda, starting to make "SOCIALISM" sound GOOD to almost all Americans!

I am POSITIVE that the Statistics cited above, will GROW AND GROW; as MORE Americans find out in the worst possible ways, just exactly HOW they are being SCREWED BY THE RUTHLESS, PROFIT-TAKING SYSTEM that is Advanced Capitalism.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 3:37 pm
Well said BMutiny...I agree 100%. Thank goodness for the Michael Moore's, we need more of them.
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 4:28 pm
BMutiny i admire your compassion,but to refer to a Progressive source on issues is the same as referring to a communist source.
If you compare the Marxist ideals you get the same format as what Progressives want.
I really doubt that their numbers are correct and not inflammatory.
Please check for other sources outside ypur comfort zone and you I do believe those numbers will prove false.
Also most young people in college have being taught this is an unfair society and that their are no advantages for them or others.This is false.
we all have the same advantages as everybody else in this country.That is why we have the world's largest Middle Class.because we ALL have the ability to succeed if you only have the will.
his is just my opinion from what I have been dealt in my life and studing Socialism and even attending Communist Party meetings.
And yes your numbers will go up as people realize they don't really have to do anything to get what they need.
People we alll need to take a step back and reallize there is a difference between suffering and struggling.

Struggling is due to things we can have control over and no nothing about ....Suffering is due to things not with in our control.
Both teach us how truly strong we are if we just acknowledge that we have the strength to overcome.

And i personal believe that Socialism\Marxism\Communism and the like take away people's individual right's and freedom's.Nothing is worth that.
Nothing.
 

Nancy L (141)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 4:31 pm
Wasting your time LL.
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 4:39 pm
I know NE,I know:(
But I have to at least try,especially after I spent so many years coming believing what they believe.
i can only hope at least one person comes across it and at least thinks about it.

Have a good one hon
 

KRISTENNOPOSTS B (167)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 6:13 pm
Michael Moore has been someone I feel comfortable w/ he does not go aftr a party, he goes after what he feels is IMPORTANT/// MIKE YOUR STILL MY HERO,AND SO FAR IVE GOTTEN EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE... NEVER EVER GIVE UP..PLEASE..
 

KRISTENNOPOSTS B (167)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 6:18 pm
OOPS, IVE EVEN GOT YOUR FULL DVD'S OF YOUR TV SHOW.... AND ALL BOOKS I CAN GET ME HANDS ON. MY DAUGHTER IS DOING THE SAME. SHE WORKD FOR A VERY FAMOUS PLACE IN MARKETING, THEY ,W/OUT TELLING THING.. TOOK 5% from her paycheck.. i cant HELP (DISABLED) and she still needs eds helps at 23....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 12:16 am
Lady, for your information, I have no "Comfort Zone"; I have quite often read the National Review, a Conservative publication; and I have read some of Ann Coulter's books, too. Don't agree with 'em, but I certainly read 'em. Also you can get the Capitalist point-of-view readily from nearly all the Mass Media; and, woe is me, I read that too. Including the British "Economist" and the Wall Street Journal. I have actually worked with Libertarians in getting Medical Marijuana passed in the State of Washington; and discussed their views with them. {We agreed to dis-agree.} I am perfectly open to anyone who MAKES SENSE.

You are TOTALLY in error, if you believe that Progressivism/Marxism/Socialism/Communism are all the same thing. If you say such things, you have only limited if any experience on the Left. The "Progressive" is the name of a magazine, and its editorial policy is NOT "communist", in the sense of the Communist parties of the U.S. or of Russia or of China. If you say you were "around the Left for years", it must have been a very superficial knowledge you had, not in any depth at all.

The Statistics on U.S. {lack of} Health Care, do NOT come from the Progressive Magazine; they come from a United Nations survey and are readily available on the Internet. I am not going to look them up FOR you, as I believe in people doing their OWN research. These Statistics, however, are readily available both on and off the Internet; I believe they appeared in Harper's magazine recently in an article; they have been quoted OFTEN by SEVERAL sources. Look up ANY pro-single-payer-health-care group with a website, they'll probably have those statistics at their fingertips. Those figures are absolutely verified and agreed on by International bodies.

I CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE, TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF STATISTICS, PROVING MINE WRONG. {That the United States according to International standards, ranks THIRTY-SEVENTH in quality and results of Health Care; while ranking a huge FIRST in HEALTH CARE COSTS.} Yes, WHERE ARE THOSE "ALTERNATE" STATISTICS??? They do not exist ANYwhere. LOOK for them. Under the carpet, maybe.

How is saying that the United States ranks FIRST in Health Care costs, and WAY WAY WAY DOWN THERE in actual Health Care DELIVERY, how, pray tell, is that "INFLAMMATORY"? Is the TRUTH "inflammatory"?

PROVE that this is NOT the Truth..... PROVE IT! Where is that contradictory set of figures, ranking ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD..... Heads of State and Parliaments of other countries, NGOs and respected organizations of Health Care professionals, would not be using and citing these figures if some "commie-red" just made them up out of thin air.......

I'm afraid that what you are "taking for granted", to support YOUR "comfort zone", is a MYTH about America, and about Capitalism, that cannot be supported any more as the for-Profit economy implodes ever further.....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 12:37 am
Oops, I made a mistake in getting "The Progressive", a MAGAZINE, confused with "THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST", a NEWSPAPER.
The quotation on Socialism, comes from The Progressive Populist.

So, instead of saying "The Statistics.... do not come from the Progressive Magazine"; it should read, ".... do not come from the Progressive Populist".
"The Progressive Populist" is CERTAINLY NOT "communist" and they would really laugh at that idea! Garrison Keilor {of Lake Woebegone fame} writes for them, among others.

The "Populism" of this newspaper, represents historically a very American tradition, not influenced by European Marxism in the slightest!

Sorry for the confusion in the names. {MY bad! momentary slip-up!}
The Magazine and the Newspaper, altho both have the word "Progressive" on the masthead, are each published by quite different entities and have quite different editorial outlooks from each other. I happened to have BOTH sitting right on my desk, and glanced at the wrong one...... I had already cited the quotation about Socialism, with the proper ascription, in a Share that went out.....

I am always picky about being ACCURATE AND ABLE TO VERIFY EVERY WORD I SAY ON THE INTERNET.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 1:55 am
Lady: It has just occurred to me, that you may be referring to the "Statistics" that 20% of Americans, in spite of decades of mis-leading indoctrination in the opposite idea, believe that SOCIALISM IS A BETTER SYSTEM TO LIVE UNDER, THAN CAPITALISM. And that as many as 33% of younger Americans believe that.

These figures were cited by a writer in a newspaper called "The Progressive Populist".
The writer, Mr. W.M. O'Leary, CITED THE RASMUSSEN POLL as the SOURCE of his figures.
The RASMUSSEN POLL, and NOT "The Progressive Populist", is the SOURCE of those figures. The Progressive Populist did not order anyone to go out and find or make up those figures, in other words. That the Rasmussen Poll really is an entity that EXISTS, and says what it says, can be verified from other sources.

You will have to come up with INADEQUACIES OF THE METHODS ALWAYS USED BY THE RASMUSSEN POLL, to say that those figures cited, are inaccurate. You will have to be familiar with their methods of Statistical Analysis.....
Truth is NOT WHATEVER YOU WANT IT OR NEED IT TO BE, MADE UP OUT OF YOUR HEAD.

Has the RASMUSSEN POLL never been trusted, never been used by different news sources, has it been way way off in the past, has it been dis-credited as a fraud?
The Rasmussen Poll could equally be USED, be CITED, by the Wall Street Journal, by the New York Times, by the British magazine The Economist, or the British newspaper The Guardian -- if they wanted to use statistics the Poll came up with.
The Statistics themselves are NEUTRAL. {NOT "inflammatory"!}

C'mon, we KNOW you DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THE RASMUSSEN POLL no way no how, if it doesn't agree with your PREVIOUS mis-conceptions!
But nobody took a Poll that dis-agreed.... not yet, anyway. That's because they most likely CAN'T FIND ANY SUCH DIS-AGREEMENT.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 5:58 am
Mutiny Progressivism is a social political movement.Correct?
Yes,it is.
Varies organizations that follow such ideologies.
Since my experience with CP I have done my hoemwork quit abit.
And if anything I have learn is NEVER to take people or groups by what THEY say the are or represent.
I take actions over descriptions.
And the Progressive movement (not the paper) falls closely in line with Marxism\Socialism.
They are NOT Communist I find them to far dangerous to individual freedoms & liberties,but the follow very closely all the same.
One does not need to yell to get your point across.Like I said I admire your compassion but I find it be useless to so called help people and then take away their freedoms & liberties in exchange for that help.
That is what Commujism and Socialism does in the end.
And NO person or group can convince me otherwise.
All I need to do is look to countries that have used such governorship over their people.
I will happy to look back throught the polls that you sited,because they are not a poll taken by a Progressive outlet of any kind.
Conservative papers and outlets lean ...Conservative.
Liberal papers and outlets lean ......Liberal.
So any reasonable person would assums that the Progressive Populist would there by lean......Progressive.

I don't make up stuff in my head.I go by experience and actually studying what is out there.
And if they did a poll asking who supports Socialism then there should be a poll that states who does not and WHY.
even if it is 20% that support Socialism that still leaves 80% that do not and for good reason.
33% of young people meaning who? College peole who are blasted drunk and high have the time and live off momma and daddy?
Of course they would want a system that takes care of them,because that is all they know.They know nothing of working and struggling to build your life and find most hard working people to be a joke.
i will gladly look at the polls and get back to you form a civil discussion.
 

Mark G (36)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 10:49 am
Mutiny what is surprising is not that 20% of people think socialism is better than capitalism. What IS surprising is that 90% don't think that. Because people always want something for nothing. That's human nature and that's what socialism promises. Something for nothing. The problem is socialism, the little brother to communism, can't deliver on this promise. It never has.
Capitalism is the worst economic system in the world - except for all the other ones.
Milton Friedman had more knowledge and understanding in his pinky than Michael Moore has in his entire fat-laden body. Why anyone would waste their time seeing anything that buffoon does is beyond me. But there's a sucker born every minute they say.
 

Nancy L (141)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 10:53 am
It is so hypocritical all I can do is laugh.
 

Jamie Clemons (282)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 11:10 am
Capitalism that made our nation great will eventually destory our nation.
 

Nancy L (141)
Thursday September 10, 2009, 11:28 am
greed and straying from our constitution will destroy our nation...NOT capitalism.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 7:27 am
This man is an American Hero.
 

Nancy L (141)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 7:33 am
ppffftt....OK MJ, you owe me a laptop. You just made me spew coffee all over mine.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 7:43 am
Perfect! That's just the result I was going for.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 7:52 am
Capitalism’s Self-inflicted Apocalypse

http://www.michaelparenti.org/capitalism%20apocalypse.html
 

Nancy L (141)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 7:52 am
I guess I get to buy my new and improved one now. Yippy!
 

. (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:33 am
Sorry MJ I'm with NE on this on.
I think you owe me a laptop as well.
Hero's are people who undertsnad the dangerous of their decisions,the sacrifices that go with those decisions and still act on what is right.
Micheal Moore is banking his bottom off on going with a Hollywood fad.One that trashes America and freedom & liberties.
He has nothing to lose MILLIONs to gain.
That is not a hero.
That is a crook.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:47 am
Obviously, LL or NE, neither one of you read the link I posted.

 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:51 am
What is that' hollywood fad', LL, fixing what's wrong with America?
We should all hope that fad never dies.
 

Nancy L (141)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:52 am
I did. But Michael Less is hardly an American hero.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:54 am
I should have said, 'pointing out what's wrong with America. It's up to all of us to apply the fix.
 

Nancy L (141)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:57 am
And you think anyone in Hollyweird can fix America? That's just laughable.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 9:25 am
Micheal Moore is an American Hero.

I sincerely hope all the rightwing ditto-heads are choking on that. They are the obstructionists that are preventing progress on all fronts.
 

Nancy L (141)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 9:30 am
MJ, I looked at your profile and I think we probably agree on a few things but this one we will have to agree to disagree on.
 
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