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Alexa R (319)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:06 am
Photo: Rocket damage caused to a house in Nir Oz (Photo: Motti Kimchi)
In Eshkol, a man in his 30s sustained serious chest wounds when he was hit by rocket shrapnel.

The man, who was at the kibbutz children’s house with his wife, pushed one of the nursery teacher and a child into the safe room, saving their lives. Three-year-old children live in the children’s house that was hit.

“I saw a lot of blood and he looked at me. He was so strong – he was really worried the kids would see him this way,” the teacher told Ynet.

“The wounded is likely one of the children’s father. He actually shielded the children with his body,” Magen David Adom paramedic Oren Wecht said.

“While the siren was still blaring, there were at least 6 rockets hitting the kibbutz. The children were staying in a bomb-protected area at the time. An adult who was with them gathered them all in one of the rooms and kept them away from any doors and windows. In that he actually saved the children,” the head of the community in the kibbutz said.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:10 am
Sorry to hear that, Alexa. Maybe Israel should have invested in a better shelter system as was asked of the people living in Gaza!
 

Kathleen M (0)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:19 am
Noted. Thanks for sharing, Sam. What an articulate firebrand! Kudos to Dr. Masri!
 

Sandrea S (278)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:33 am
Great speech!
 

Carol French (121)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:44 am

and did she Ever tell it like it Is !! Wow, has she ever got Passion & lots of it!! I was taken a back by her all of her passionate speech . Every point she gave was right on in my eyes!! So the wall went up in1994 & ever since then Israel has been trying to get what they think is thiers back . My Mom says the Gaza strip was never thiers in the first place ,she should know well because she is in her 80's & has a very sharp mind …
 

Carol French (121)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:47 am


o sorry but I forgot to Thank you Sam,
This was a very Good one !!!…..
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:49 am
When I saw the small whole in a ceiling on Israeli news media, alleged damage form a rocket, I was amazed at the obvious double standards -- a complete oblivion/disregard, regarding the utter destruction of thousands of homes and buildings blown out, bombed to hell by IDF, and the dead and injured, was plain to see.
Damage,' minor or not', matters -- Israeli media should show scenes of the buildings i have seen with all the windows and roof blown off, and'or side of the buildings...
Imagine a child's toy house,with no front, outside wall, so you look right into every room!!!
But it's not a toy house, it's someone's home, or was.
That's what Israel calls protecting it's 'security' --- another lie, among many for decades.
What arrogant, deceitful arrogance. If, Israelis are suffering, they can hold their governments responsible, and acceptance of their crimes against Palestinians for decades, illegal occupation, siege on and massacres in Gaza -- Destroying Hamas and the Palestinian people, is what this is.
It is heinous, and all Israelis, who denounce it and have done so, speaking up for humanity, equality, and right to self determination for ALL, have my respect for their courage and human decency.

Thank you Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 9:51 am
RIGHT ON SISTER!! Say it loud and proud! There we have another one of her most powerful brilliant speeches, as always marked by passion and compelling logic. I second every one of her words. So we all need to help best we can to change the narrative and give Israel the help it needs!
Thanks Sam for posting this!

As for the fired professor, here are 2 petition links: Change.org petition
iPetitions
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 10:48 am
As long as Israel exists under a form of apartheid, no, I do not
Does that mean I want Israeli Jews to be thrown into the sea? NO. It does mean that I want human rights to be applied equally and unconditionally to all the people.
Israel can either choose to exist as a Jewish State or it can exist as a democracy ...

“There has become such an ingrained racism against people of color – not just against Palestinians – that even when our children die – even when they are being killed – we are told that we have a culture of martyrdom and a culture of death. That is why one of the narratives that has become popular is that Hamas is using human shields – although there is no evidence of that – but it fits within the narrative that we must love our children less, which is basically racism.”

I fear that the pressure to stop exports of weapons & weapon parts to Israel is far from sufficient as yet - certainly, the Israeli government is still convionced that they can spin facts sufficiently to act with impunity ...
Even when they have KILLED ONE PERCENT of the Palestinians & others constituting the population inside Gaza.

I also think that she is underestimating the level of support for human rights (for Palestinians) within Israel - although I would agree that they are speaking out less strongly than I would like to see ...

The pressure and aggression that they face from the Israeli extremists must be appreciated - and during actual conflict, many Israelis who are influenced by propaganda, fear-mongering, who haven't actually encountered "ordinary " Palestinians, haven't sat together and talked with these people painted as "full of hate", "wanting to kill all Jews" ... these people support what they believe is necessary for their own safety ... They don't realise that such actions actually reinforce instability, insecurity. So they can't understand anyone who criticises the Israeli action. (Especially Palestinian Israelis who do not share rejoicing over "victories" ... but equally, "traitors" who take no pleasure in the murder of hundreds of civilians.)

I respect greatly those Israelis who dare to speak out - even more than those Jews around the world who are standing up to say "NO - NOT IN OUR NAME" - who also show great courage since the pro-Zionists attack them, too.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 11:04 am
"I respect greatly those Israelis who dare to speak out - even more than those Jews around the world who are standing up to say "NO - NOT IN OUR NAME" - who also show great courage since the pro-Zionists attack them, too."

I can't see how you can allocate less respect to "those Jews around the world who are standing up to say "NO - NOT IN OUR NAME."

"Those Jews around the world" are doing all they can to expose the murderous Israeli government for what it is. But the ones in Israel are the ones that are electing the Israeli government that's committing those crimes in their names.

Let's show our respect to all those who are working for peace, and let's not start lumping them in different classes.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 11:15 am
Alexa - for strategic purposes, a hamas rocket HAD to be allowed through
And the Hamas equipment is primitive, so they don't have much capacity for precision targetting.
Every death is one too many.

But do bear in mind that it would be absolutely impossible to share photos of every house, hospital, clinic, school destroyed by Israeli shells & missiles .... The fact that the one case can be shown means that fear levels will increase, intolerance - or rather, total tolerance of all damages & deaths in Gaza will increase.

OVER ONE PERCENT of the population in Gaza has been killed. Over 5% have been injured.

It is time to stop.
Time to end the blockade - and Dr Masri is correct - the blackade pre-dates Hamas, goods were only being allowed to trickle through (except to the settlements) in the late 90s, & people's movement was equally constrained.

Israel may claim that they can't trust Hamas & the Gazans if free movement of goods were allowed - but they create the situation in which self-defence and resistance become necessary. Options exist, with non-Israeli peace-keeping forces ensuring control of goods arriving, for example ...

IF Israel wanted the situation to calm down, (and that is open to question - a "threat" is very useful to gather support from the average Israeli ...), they would encourage the Unity Government, open up Gaza, stop shooting Palestinians who come close to separation walls & barriers, stop massive administrative detention of people hauled from their homes in the middle of the night (... no trial, no proven reason), ease up the control points, end the occupation of Palestine .... Demilitarisation of Gaza would then be envisagable.
Yes- there would still be hotheads ... on both sides (extremist settlers, extremist young people in Palestine - ) and all such cases should be arrested, brought to trial - due and identical justice - for Israeli wrong-doers exactly as for Palestinian wrong-doers.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 11:27 am
Sam - the only thing is that the risks run by those in Israel are greater. I was not in any way devaluing the importance of those around the world, and I apologise if anyone felt that I was. I have enormous respect for ALL those resisting pro-Zionist pressure, speaking out ... Their voices are essential, to open the eyes of others who have never thought to question what human rights abuses are being done in their name ... and who have a hard time hearing messages (calls for rights to be respected, spelling out the abuses) from Palestinians & from non-Jews .... because their fear blocks their fair judgement.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 11:59 am
Sam, you asked "Is she as radical as Netanyahu?"
What do you mean by "radical"? Radical in terms of "solutions" proposed?
She is more vehement in what she says -
But if one listens to WHAT she says - her message contains more tolerance of the people of "the other side".

However, those who filter her messages through their own filters of fear and paranoia probably won't hear what she offers in the way of hope.
 

Fiona O (562)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 12:27 pm
Crimes they are indeed. She is a marvelous firebrand. She is wonderful.

Let's make every effort to spread this video outside of Care 2 to our email contacts and friends. Spread the word everywhere. These are crimes which must not be tolerated any longer.

A protest by an Arab Defense Organization at the port of Oakland CA was turned into an event that must have the full attention of Israel by now. Three port related trade unions joined the protest and there was a four day work stoppage in unloading an Israeli merchant ship. The ship had to leave without service.

There are sporadic boycotts of some department stores selling "Dead Sea" cosmetics.

And once you have the attention of people on Israel's current crimes against humanity, remind them that Israel has never been an a friend to the US people.,,,, maybe to our politicians but never to us.

Remind listeners of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty and the cold blooded murder of over 100 US sailors in the Med during the six day way.

Remind them that a serving US Congress woman from Georgia, Cynthia McKenna, was held in an Israel prison and denied her medications because of her association with some people in Gaza.

Only the politicians of the US support Israel... it would also be timely to remind our politicians of the fact that one of their own, a member of Congress, had her health endangered in an Israeli prison.

Remind our politicians of all of the cover ups about the IDF attack on the USS Liberty which are still worthy of a Congressional investigation.



 

(0)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 1:32 pm
Noted & shared. Thanks Sam
 

Bryan S (105)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 3:29 pm
Definitely a great speech. And is great to hear that international pressure on Israel is growing along with the BDS movement. Hopefully things will seriously change before there is a lull for a few years and then another massacre takes place.

Of course the problem is that the US goes against the rest of the world and gives Israel unlimited support no matter what. And the US has never had a problem supporting much more violent and undemocratic regimes. But then even that changes with enough pressure, as Noam Chomsky points out here:

"We’ve seen it before. Take, say, the East Timor case, which I mentioned. For 25 years, the United States strongly supported the vicious Indonesian invasion and massacre, virtual genocide. It was happening right through 1999, as the Indonesian atrocities increased and escalated. After Dili, the capital city, was practically evacuated after Indonesian attacks, the U.S. was still supporting it. Finally, in mid-September 1999, under considerable international and also domestic pressure, Clinton quietly told the Indonesian generals, "It’s finished." And they had said they’d never leave. They said, "This is our territory." They pulled out within days and allowed a U.N. peacekeeping force to enter without Indonesian military resistance. Well, you know, that’s a dramatic indication of what can be done. South Africa is a more complex case but has similarities, and there are others. Sooner or later, it’s possible—and that’s really up to us—that domestic pressure will compel the U.S. government to join the world on this issue, and that will be a decisive change."

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 7:11 pm
Brilliant
 

Lone F (58)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 7:29 pm
Noted! Dr. Rania Masri could convince anyone. What passion and eloquence she possesses. Thanks for sharing, Sam!
 

Ondine J (134)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:14 pm
Wow, blown away by Dr Masri, what a speech and she makes so much sense. I will be sharing this. Thanks for posting Sam.
 

Ondine J (134)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:16 pm
Thank you Angelika for the links
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:26 pm
Dr. Masri needs to be touring and speaking in major US cities to educate people to what is really happening in Palestine! Bless this woman! Thank you for sharing this Sam!
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Thursday August 21, 2014, 8:41 pm
Thanks for posting Sam. If eloquence is combined with passion and facts are combined with compassion, it is difficult not to hear the message behind the words, to ignore the truth being told. Thank you, Dr. Rania Masri, for your commitment to the Palestinian cause.
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday August 22, 2014, 12:21 am
Evelyn & Jess, you expect Israel to follow Hamas in using human shields?!

Israel respects life and wishes to limit damage. Israel did not fire rockets from this house in the kibbutz. These were innocent civilians .. But I admit, I'm not at all surprised, only saddened by your total lack of empathy for Jewish people in Israel's suffering ..

Are you at least emphatic to the Palestinian Arab suffering due to damage and injury to their homes and people in Ramallah and Bil'in?

Several of the 200 rockets fired by Hamas had hit targets in these West Bank villages and cities. They even target their fellow Palestinian Arabs And Israel Arabs .. Let alone all those civilians in Gaza used as human shields and executed others by dragging them behind motor cycles through the streets in Gaza ..

 

Bruce C D (89)
Friday August 22, 2014, 1:14 am
@Alexa R--
It appears from your choice of copy-and-paste that you either did not watch the presentation given by Dr. Masri, or your heart is incapable of summoning justice and compassion where the Palestinians are concerned. Perhaps it was both.

Your choice was illuminating, considering that for every story about an injured or killed Israeli in this conflict, there are hundreds to be found of injured or killed Palestinians. While I grieve for those Israeli's hurt by Palestinian militancy--Jewish and non-Jewish--I can't pretend to be unaware that it is the Zionist-caused ongoing injustices of land theft, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, persecution, repression and more against Palestinians which instigated and provokes Palestinian militancy. Nor can I close my eyes and fail to observe that it is the Palestinians who are suffering far worse at the hands of Israel.

Your choice is revealing, too, in its silence about and failure to actually address any of the many points and arguments presented by Dr. Masri. People are already fully cognizant that innocents on both sides are being horrifically injured and killed, so your contribution amounts to nothing more than a clumsy attempt at deflection. However, those unbiased don't need to be all that enlightened to grasp that stopping the violence requires adequately addressing the many Israeli injustices it has perpetrated upon the Palestinian people for over six decades, so you'll have to do better than that. How about something in your own words, sharing your own thoughts, that directly addresses the content of this C2NN submission?
 

Margaret Goodman (243)
Friday August 22, 2014, 2:29 am
Dr. Masri seemed to imply that any country that identifies itself with a particular religion is not really a democracy. I wonder if there are any countries besides Israel that do so, and if Dr. Masri would recognize any of them as democracies.
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Friday August 22, 2014, 3:49 am
brilliant, thank you, Sam. petition signed, Angelika.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Friday August 22, 2014, 4:01 am
@Alexa R.--
First of all, if you'd watched the video or been informed about this conflict, you would know that Israel has repeatedly used human shields. A frequent IDF tactic has been forcing an innocent Palestinian to scout ahead of them, using them as a shield. In my view, Israel does, in effect, use it's own population as a shield also. It does this by refusing to provide justice to the Palestinians and declining to meet its obligations to humanely and justly administer over the occupied territories it controls, then using the inevitable, predictable backlash it has created to cynically justify harsh and disproportionate reprisals and illegal land grabs against Palestinians.

You would also know that Israel routinely displays very little or no regard to the lives of innocents involved in this conflict, a fact that is often readily apparent. What Israel propaganda tries--but fails--to do is to create that impression. But actions speak louder than words. What regard for the lives of innocents is given by Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians, by its ethnic cleansing of them, by its apartheid against them, by its depriving them of their basic rights? What regard for the lives of innocents is given by Israel when it deliberately targets and wantonly destroys large amounts of civilian infrastructure? If Zionists actually did value the rights and humanity of Palestinians as much as they do their fellow Zionists, there would never have been any conflict in the first place. If they did so now, the conflict would cease to exist. Unfortunately, few ever have, certainly never enough to make any significant difference. Is it so surprising that Palestinians would respond in kind, considering the terrible injustices Zionism has inflicted upon them?

You should also have known that Gaza is as densely populated as Boston, with Gaza City as densely populated as Hong Kong or Singapore, and that the crude rockets Hamas fires lack accurate guidance systems. You must also be aware that, unlike Israel, Palestinians have no Army, no Navy, no Air Force. Unlike Israel, they have no tanks, no ships, no aircraft, and no artillery with which to defend themselves. I don't condone Hamas' rocket fire, but neither do I think that guerilla resistance in such an environment and under such conditions necessarily justifies automatic charges of the use of human shields. Human rights groups have not made that charge in relation to the Hamas rockets. But there's another side to this. Israel has to know that when a Palestinian militant fires a mobile rocket, they aren't going to stick around to see if the IDF drops a bomb or a shell on the spot. It is even possible for rockets to be launched remotely or using a delay. Retaliatory strikes in such cases by Israel are as symbolic as the rockets Hamas is firing, with one crucial difference, which is that Israeli knowingly kills, exponentially and disproportionately, far more innocent civilians than do Hamas rockets.

One can try to ignore that both Hamas and Israel are guilty of not valuing the lives of innocent civilians and engaging in terrorism, but it can't be ignored that many more innocent civilians are being killed by Israel than Hamas. Given Israel's overwhelming military superiority, and all the sophisticated weapons, intelligence, and surveillance systems that Israel has at its disposal, the blame for massive Palestinian civilian casualties can't just be casually and conveniently shifted to Hamas, as Israeli apologists are wont to do. That only works for people who blindly support Israel and can't or won't think for themselves.

Here's an excellent short article on this topic, Alexa, which I hope you will read, although you don't seem very open to having the truth spoil the myths and your preconceived illusions.

Collective Punishment or Human Shields?
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday August 22, 2014, 4:16 am
Oh, Bruce, is that what it is, Hamas is using collective punishment on all Israeli civilians, Jewish, Arab, Palestinian, including West Bank civilians, whether Arab, Palestinian ..

Thanks for clearing that up .. My heart goes out to the victims of Hamas, whether Israeli, from West Bank or from Gaza .. Every single person endangered and victimised by Hamas ..
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 22, 2014, 4:55 am
Here's another very brief quote that says it all, does it not!?
"Our policy with Hamas is simple-
if they open fire they will be struck back seven times over"

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 22, 2014, 5:46 am
As a general principle from past experience on this forum I've preferred to ignore and stopped commenting long ago on any posts by those Israel supporters and apologists of its crimes. There's no point in continuously trying to educate fanatics, those are not fence-sitters but are unconvincable.

However, from my observations, Alexa never resorted to name calling and has remained polite, so that's why I will also address just that one point in her comment, in addition to Bruce's already eloquent statements.

"Israel respects life and wishes to limit damage."

Former Israeli Soldier Idan Barir on Why It's Hard to Believe Israel's Claim That It Did Its Best to Minimize Civilian Deaths. - (NOT some media report and thus unbiased. May it serve to broaden Alexa's views)
Excerpt:
"I served as a crew commander in the Israeli artillery corps at the beginning of the Second Intifada, and I feel compelled to counter this claim from Israel. The images, evidence and army reports from recent operations in Gaza (he refers to the July 30 attacks.)..show that Israel has deployed massive artillery firepower. Such firepower is impossible to target precisely... Artillery fire is a statistical means of warfare... In using artillery against Gaza, Israel therefore cannot sincerely argue that it is doing everything in its power to spare the innocent.
The truth is artillery shells cannot be aimed precisely and are not meant to hit specific targets. A standard 40 kilogram shell is nothing but a large fragmentation grenade. When it explodes, it is meant to kill anyone within a 50-meter radius and to wound anyone within a further100 meters. Furthermore, the humidity in the air, the heat of the barrel, and the direction of the wind can all cause unguided shells to land 30 or even 100 meters from where they were aimed. That is a huge margin of error in somewhere as densely packed as Gaza. The imprecision of this weaponry is so great that Israeli forces are compelled to aim at least 250 meters away from friendly troops to ensure their safety -- even if those troops are sheltered. In military terms, this distance is called the "safe range of fire." In 2006, when shelling was first used against the Gaza Strip, the "safe range of fire" for Palestinian civilians was reduced from 300 to just 100 meters. Shortly afterwards, a stray shell landed inside the home of theGhabeen family in Beit Lahiya, killing a young girl, Hadeel, and wounding other members of her family.
In response to this and similar tragedies, human rights organizations appealed to the Israeli High Court of Justice to cease this lethal practice, and in June 2007 the ATTORNEY-GENRAL ANNOUNCED THAT NO MORE ARTILLERY FIRE WAS TO BE USED IN THE GAZA- STRIP. But just a few years later, during Operation Cast Lead, extensive artillery fire was again aimed at the heart of the Gaza Strip. And up until the recent ceasefire, throughout Operation Protective Edge, Israel has fired thousands of artillery shells into Gaza -- causing intolerable harm to civilians and widespread destruction, the extent of which will only be fully exposed when the fighting ceases. It's true that in at least some cases, the army has informed civilians of its plans to attack a certain area and advised them to leave. But this in no way excuses the excessive damage and huge toll on civilian lives."
Given the casualties numbers we've all read, Netanyahu SHOULD have said " ..30 times over".(and counting)
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 22, 2014, 6:37 am
Excellent point, Margaret! I bet you didn't have the Vatican in mind. But those other unmentioned countries which, as far as I know, never pretended to be democracies.

Maybe she was just referring to the "democracy” that was inflicting all that pain on her people.

Any other suggested refinements to her speech? I know she erred by suggesting that Chomsky didn't support the right of return for the Palestinians. Chomsky does indeed affirm that right. He only points out the impracticality of implementing it.

Watch Chomsky get impatient with his young, inexperienced interviewer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5F3GBihGMM

He also expresses his views on BDS and whatever parallels he sees between Israel’s and South Africa’s apartheid.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 22, 2014, 7:23 am
Clarification: Frank Barat may not be inexperienced, but he was causing Chomsky to repeat answers he had already given earlier in the interview.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 22, 2014, 7:29 am
Sam, she also posted an apology for her error about Chomsky!
Refinements? Perhaps she could have included American Indians and their ongoing plight (e.g.theft of their children!) as well in her commitment to solidarity and connecting the struggle since she mentioned African Americans, for which I applaud her.
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday August 22, 2014, 7:47 am
ADMIRABLE! Wonderful woman, wonderful speach.
Thank you so much, Sam for posting this video from Dr. Rania Masri.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 22, 2014, 8:21 am
Angelika, I thought she did great with "connecting the struggles."
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday August 22, 2014, 8:28 am
This explains the struggles of the people in Gaza:

The Hamas regime in Gaza continues to execute its own civilians, even while engaged in a terror war against Israel.

In a central venue in Gaza City on Friday morning, 11 local Arab residents who were charged with "collaborating with Israel" were publicly executed by Hamas, according to the Arabic-language Al-Rai news agency as cited by Walla!.

However, Hamas TV reported that the number of those executed actually consisted of 18 men. Six of those executed were shot dead in front of a mosque by men in Hamas military uniforms, witnesses told AFP.

The public killing comes in the midst of a rising wave of "collaborator" executions in the terrorist stronghold of Gaza.

Majd, a website close to Hamas, just on Thursday reported that Hamas's "military wing," the Al-Qassam Brigades, executed three Gaza residents and arrested seven others for "collaborating" with Israel during Operation Protective Edge.

No date was given for the executions or arrests, but the Hamas security official quoted in the report said the three were killed after "revolutionary procedures" were completed against them.

The same website reported on August 6 that "a number" of Arab collaborators had been killed, again without giving a date.

In the last week of July, Palestinian sources reported that over 30 Gazans were executed by Hamas, most of them in the Shejaiya neighborhood. In that case too, Hamas claimed that they were collaborators with Israel.
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday August 22, 2014, 8:29 am
From the mouth of Hamas:

Hamas's cynical disregard for its own citizens, openly displayed by fighting while embedded in civilian infrastructure and using human shields, has not spared "Hamas collaborators" either.

A Hamas spokesperson recently told Al Jazeera that since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in 2012, "hundreds of our men were martyred digging the tunnels during the previous lull period."

Many of those who survived digging the terror tunnels did not meet a better end than their "martyred" companions; according to reports, in recent weeks Hamas has executed dozens of the diggers to make absolutely certain they would not reveal information about the locations in which they were digging.

Of the hundreds who died in the digging, "at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels" according to the Journal of Palestine Studies in 2012, indicating how Hamas had no qualms about lethally manipulating child labor.

 

Alexa R (319)
Friday August 22, 2014, 8:31 am
When this is the reality:

According to Lebanese news outlets quoted by Israel Hayom Thursday, a telephone call from Hamas political bureau chief Khaled Mashaal to military wing chief Mohammed Deif inadvertently gave away the latter's location in a home at the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood in northwest Gaza, and enabled the home's bombing by the IAF last night.

The reports say that the phone conversation took place shortly after a meeting in Doha, Qatar, between Mashaal and Palestinian Authority (PA) head Mahmoud Abbas. A senior Palestinian source said that Mashaal was under pressure to accept the Egyptian ceasefire proposal and wanted to consult with Deif.

Possibly due to the pressure he was under, Mashaal broke the rules of secrecy that help keep Deif's location secret and called him, thus making it possible for Israeli intelligence to pinpoint Deif's whereabouts and bomb the building he was in.

While an Israeli official has been quoted by Fox News as saying Deif was dead, Hamas insists he is unhurt.

Hard hit by the IDF, Hamas's military wing in Gaza has reportedly been pressing the political leadership to accept a ceasefire, but Mashaal, who operates from Qatar, has been refusing to do so.

A senior member of Palestnian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction said Wednesday Hamas's choice to forego the Egyptian truce proposal and return to its rocket war on Israel was due to Qatari pressure.

The Fatah source, quoted in the Arabic Al-Hayat and cited by Yedioth Aharonoth, noted that Egypt refused to allow Qatar to play a role in the Cairo ceasefire talks, stipulating that Qatar apologize for its policies towards the Nile State since Muslim Brotherhood member and former Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was deposed last July 3. Qatar is the leading sponsor of the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is the Palestinian offshoot.

The Fatah source added that Qatar threatened to expel Mashaal, saying it would "force him to leave," if Hamas agreed to the Egyptian truce proposal in its current structure.
 

Freya H (345)
Friday August 22, 2014, 2:28 pm
Tell it like it is, indeed! When South Africa oppressed blacks, they could not participate in the Olympics and faced economic sanctions until that rotten policy was dumped on the scrap heap. Israel brutalizes Palestinians, but because it is a sacred cow that can play the Holocaust Card whenever anybody denounces their crimes, they can get away with anything they like. Israel is a spoiled brat in desperate need of some serious discipline and tough love.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Friday August 22, 2014, 5:15 pm
This thread seems to have acquired it's very own hasbara maiden, whose heart only goes out to those innocents killed by Hamas, with apparently no compassion left over for those innocents killed by Israeli war crimes and terrorism. Because how can you have compassion for them when you can't even acknowledge them?

As hasbara are prone to do, this one likes to copy and paste copious amounts of any reporting that is favorable to Israel, whether directly relevant to the submission and discussion or not, and refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing by Israel. As is typical of hasbara, little or no effort is made to engage in the points and arguments presented in the news submission or from other commenters. Instead, the truth is ignored, twisted, or dismissed.

Because of the dishonorable tactics they employ, these hasbara are in reality unwitting assets to the Palestinian cause. While the literal translation may be 'explainer,' what is plainly evident is that what it really means in practice is one who obfuscates. People who think for themselves aren't going to be fooled, nor will they appreciate the slimy tactics displayed. While I would normally discourage the dissemination of propaganda, when the hasbara are helping by digging their hole deeper, maybe it isn't such a bad idea to lend them a shovel.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 22, 2014, 5:31 pm
Bruce, maybe our friend can tell us why Israel is using human shields by locating its department of defense in the midst of the civilian population of Tel Aviv!
 

Bryan S (105)
Friday August 22, 2014, 6:20 pm
Well it's clear that when it comes to this issue there will always be those who deny all the facts, no matter how clear and confirmed they are, due to strong group identity and/or belief system. You see the same thing, for example, in people who still defend the US invasion of Iraq or refuse to believe in evolution.

I notice there seems to be less accusations of anti-Semetism as a way to obfuscate, while the new mantra seems to be "Palestinians are hurt or killed because Hamas uses human shields." Considering the amount of times this claim is repeated, it would be nice to once hear factual evidence of this or even a logical explanation as to how this would account for the amount of civilian deaths in Gaza. But then we're back to asking for an acknowledgement of facts. The ironic thing is that the sooner the policies of the Israeli government change, the better things will also be for the people of Israel.
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Friday August 22, 2014, 8:25 pm
Very interesting thank you Sam
 

Bruce C D (89)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 1:03 am
@Sam H.--
I'm sure there are many such questions we could ask our newfound friend, but I'm equally sure those uncomfortable questions revealing the truth of the matter will either be ignored or inadequately addressed. Most likely, they will just be met with more of the same attempts to deflect and propagandize. That's OK--they can run, but they can't hide the truth sitting in plain sight. And any option chosen works in favor of justice for Palestinians. Continued deceits discredit them, and honesty condemns the racist, apartheid state of Israel.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 6:39 pm
Aho! Noted earlier just had time to watch now. Powerful, articulate, and intelligent speaker. Signed petition that was given by Angelika for Professor.
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:51 am
Sam, Israel does not fire from, nor store weapons, ammunition in the centre of Tel Aviv. It's tanks and soldiers are in open spaces near the Gaza border ..
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:55 am
Plus, Tel Aviv is not the only site Hamas targets .. The other cities and sites targeted by Hamas have not even any military offices .. They are civilian communities .. And nobody from these communities have any rockets and IDF don't fire from them as explained in my previous comment ..
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 1:05 am
Command and control centers are legitimate military targets. It’s not like Hamas targeted the house of the minister of the Department of Defense and killed his wife and child, like Israel did with Deif!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 1:16 am
And the bottom line is that Hamas, the terrorist organization, has agreed to submit to the rule of law and have its actions scrutinized by the ICC. Would Israel be as courageous and follow suit?

http://www.care2.com/news/member/223806899/3798153
 

Bruce C D (89)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 3:38 am
@Sam H.--
Isn't it funny how Israel can indiscriminately bomb schools, hospitals, UN shelters, and all manner of civilian infrastructure using sophisticated weapons with massive payloads, all without question, while the focus is put solely on Hamas puny rockets which don't have any accurate guidance systems and carry very little payload? This, despite the massively disproportionate killing of civilians by Israel?

The world's fourth most powerful military is contained within a land mass the size of New Jersey, with a large segment of the population either active or reserve military. Israel has numerous bases scattered throughout, many in or near cities, towns and villages. On those bases are stored munitions. For example, Tel Aviv and Haifa both have air force bases. Then there would be the facilities that manufacture weapons and munitions, undoubtedly many of which are also located in or near urban areas. There are also the sea ports and airports which receive weapons and munitions, which are also located in population centers.

As you know, I don't condone Hamas' rockets, but it is hard to believe that some people don't recognize that this conflict involves asymmetrical guerilla warfare, pitting one of the largest and most advanced militaries against a rag tag group of fighters with crude weapons. Are they that naïve to believe that there is anywhere in Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on Earth, that militants could fight against Israel without civilians being nearby? Are they that naïve to expect a poorly equipped, much smaller guerrilla force would fight conventionally against the world's fourth largest military?

Finally, are people that willfully ignorant that they do not understand the root of this conflict is the Israeli injustices of ethnic cleansing, land theft, apartheid, collective punishment, repression and denial of rights? Is it an inability or a refusal to understand the context? Or, is it a prejudice that causes an unwillingness to acknowledge or care about it?
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 2:05 pm
Bruce- depending on the respective individual, it is most likely a mix of all of the above mentioned, provided that "willfully ignorant" also includes those payed for hasbara trolls.
 

fly bird (26)
Monday August 25, 2014, 12:15 am
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13686-former-israeli-ag-our-government-staged-the-assassination-of-al-daif
 

Sandrea S (278)
Monday August 25, 2014, 4:36 am
Astonishing revelation at your link, Jess. No surprise there though.
 
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