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Israel Likely to Have Committed Gaza War Crimes


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Sam
- 1617 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Israel is likely to have committed war crimes in Gaza, Human Rights Watch declared, a day after the army announced five criminal investigations into incidents involving its forces.



   

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Angelika R (143)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 6:39 am
THAT MATCHES COMPLETELY WHAT IS SAID IN THE other ARTICLE THE LIINK FOR WHICH I left on Evelyns thread
Debunking Israel's excuse of Hamas rocket fire for destruction of Gaza’s civilian infrastructure
Thx Sam, might return here later for more.. too busy now with restoring my comp..
 

Kathleen M (211)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 6:51 am
Noted. Thanks for sharing, Sam. War crimes "likely?" Damn sight more than "likely!"
 

Carol French (121)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 7:33 am
Thanks for sharing this dreadful news,
I read it but most of all I watched the awful videos that are provided.
My God I am so sorry for those people while I sit in my living room commenting on their condition, how Awful!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 7:49 am
Of course war crimes have been committed...but now it's the endless land grabbing which is really horrid+unacceptable. Thanks Angelika 4 the link+Sam.
 

Lona G (67)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 8:17 am
""Unlawful attacks carried out wilfully -- that is, deliberately or recklessly -- are war crimes," it said." and ""Israel has a long record of failing to undertake credible investigations into alleged war crimes," HRW said.". No surprises there, but sadly this is not enough to have any war crimes brought to court. Human Rights Watch has too little standing in the world and "likely" isn't going to cut the cake. Hard proof is needed, which Israel isn't going to supply. Let's be realistic about this, no country can be expected to indict itself.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 9:09 am
You're right, Lona .... hard proof is needed, which is why one really needs to have imposed an external body to investigate ... and safeguards put in place to protect against the kinds of pressures that were put on Goldstone last time.

That the Israelis have a capacity for precision work that is way ahead of the US is of little doubt. With drones etc, they can be incredibly precise ... However, they were not using the same precision equipment throughout the Gaza ops - and this was even commented on by the US, for example when the remains of US-made shells were found around the school that was sheltering refugees .. the question raised then being "Why?".

The strong impression one gets, in the light of choice of weapons and comments made is that the IDF/ Israeli logic is roughly "every Gazan is either a member of Hamas, a potential member of Hamas or a potential future member of Hamas/ future terrorist" (which takes care of child victims .....) After all - the adults either voted for Hamas - or haven't taken any responsibility for overthrowing Hamas, so they must be supporters - so they are ALL Hamas .... So anywhere and everywhere can be described as "hiding Hamas". Easy ...

The sad thing is that people swallow this.

And you're right, Lona, in pointing out that HRW doesn't have a strong enough standing to ensure that they're heard ...

Natasha - I agree - the new & massive land-grabbing is a real worry. If they go ahead with an action against Lebanon/ Hezbollah as Israeli TV suggests, there will probably be more grabs too (while attention is elsewhere) ... And/or if the tales of planned terrorist attacks around the world by ISIS are followed up, we may also be distracted from any action in Lebanon, too ....

Thanks for posting this, Sam
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 9:37 am
NB - some points I made here relate to the article Angie refers to, not unrelated ....
I've posted it here:
Israel Cited Hamas Rocket Fire as Excuse
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 10:34 am
" So anywhere and everywhere can be described as "hiding Hamas". Easy ... " - exactly so.
Plus remember that no doubt in that particular op they also applied the Dahiya doctrine thus considering the area and everyone in it a military base and militants. Regardless of what they claim.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 11:06 am
It's been long known that IDF's own in-house investigations practically NEVER lead anywhere, getting stuck and end in silence. We still have not heard of any news on formerly promised "investigations" and probably won't or get another lie.
All this and in light of the threat of breakup of Abbas' unity government it is all the more urgent to skip all other plans with long term steps to some agreement that will never be reached, and proceed quickly to the ICC.
Abbas is wasting all his leverage by "saving" it, IMO at least.
He was cited as having said his patience has come to an end- that with Bibi, Hamas and the US-so darn it, then SHOW IT !!
 

Edwin M (346)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 11:34 am
Thank you Sam
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 2:02 pm
No way!!! :)
 

Abo r (107)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 2:15 pm
Noted. Thanks Sam.
Yes it is CRIME.
 

Freya H (345)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 3:40 pm
To say that Israel is likely to have committed war crimes in Gaza is like saying that the KKK is likely to have lynched African-Americans at some point in the past.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 4:03 pm
That is correct Freya, yet also for the press correct this way until finally proven by adequate institutions.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 4:32 pm
War crimes
 

Justin Vale (13)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 5:40 pm
likely?
from reading the comments you guys have been making for, let's see? like? forever.
i thought it was a sure thing. knowing full well that israel IS killing civilians, but IS NOT committing war crimes. i still was almost convinced by the plethora of accusations emanating from you guys.
israel is killing civilians cause they are a modern army and that's what modern armies do. they bomb or use smart weapons. civilians die like that.
but war crimes? look in the other direction. hamas started the killings. hamas hid behind children. hamas targeted civilians. hamas forced people to stay in their homes even after israel had told them they were attacking near them.
looks plain and simple doesn't it?
you guys can't see that?
 

fly b (26)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 10:04 pm
War crimes, crimes against humanity and violations of the Laws of war.
Agree with Freya.

"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance.
When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it's terrorism."

"When we have the unique capabilities to help avert a massacre, then I believe the United States of America cannot turn a blind eye."

Obama authorized targeted airstrike in Iraq Sept 7, 2014

The disproportionate, indiscriminate and heinous assaults by the IDF/Netanyahu on Gaza and it's people are acts of cowardice and extreme brutality.
The U.S. had the 'unique capabilities to avert' these massacres, not enable them!
End all U.S. AID TO Israel, now.
Boycott, Divest, Sanctions!

 

fly b (26)
Thursday September 11, 2014, 10:11 pm
End the illegal Israeli siege of Gaza and the illegal occupation of Palestine.
It was never about Netanyahu's claim/lie of 'defense' - pure fabrication-excuse, like much else.
There has always been a way to peace - end the occupation.
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday September 12, 2014, 2:45 am
Likely?
Noted. Thanks for sharing, Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 12, 2014, 6:05 am
I've said it many times before and will repeat here: agree with Ros, by waiting and searching other steps Abbas is only waisting time instead of using his leverage, not wasting it. If he waits till his reconciliation /unity government breaks, that ICC accession document he and Hamas signed may backfire on him
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 12, 2014, 6:07 am
corr.: I haven't heard that he HAS already signed it..so should say "that he will(have) sign(ed) ..whenever
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 12, 2014, 6:09 am
;-) - * WASTING * of course..
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 12, 2014, 8:51 am
This is an understatement....
 

Farah H (155)
Sunday September 14, 2014, 3:27 am
They are used to kill and destroy and then apologize
thank you for sharing
 

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday September 17, 2014, 12:20 am
I think the conclusion of the article spells it all out very clearly and concisely:

"Israeli officials have frequently said the purpose of IDF military operations in both Lebanon and Gaza was to “deter” their adversaries in the future by imposing heavy costs on the civilian population."

But it wasn't even really necessary for Israel to admit its war crimes to see the obvious.
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday September 17, 2014, 12:37 am
But at least that would shorten the trial, Bruce!
 

Fadi M (37)
Saturday February 21, 2015, 6:04 am
I like the word 'likely' especially when it's used in the right context. For example, I am likely a male. Our sun is likely a star. Israel is likely to have committed war crimes. However, we're not so sure yet!
 
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