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Pretty Soon You Wouldn't Be Able to Wipe Your Ass Without Israel's Approval


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Sam
- 1498 days ago - politico.com
The trade legislation being debated on Capitol Hill is already highly contentious. Amendments added about Israel are raising the rancor even more.



   

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Animae C (509)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 9:09 am
That's rude & disgusting.
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 9:45 am
> That's rude & disgusting
- WHAT is rude & disgusting ? Israel's jingoism, racism, supremacism, apartheid, atrocities (like ethnic cleansing and incremental genocide) and and attempts to silence any criticism indeed IS doubleplus-disgusting.


 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 9:52 am
In Canada if you boycott Israeli products, you’ll be accused of hate crime.

So far breathing has escaped such restrictions, but I’m not sure for how long.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 10:10 am
I understand the test run on this piece of sh.. is happening NOW-any results from the Senate vote yet?
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 10:20 am
If your Congress critters would keep up a minimum with politics in their neighbors, such as in Canada, they would know exactly what that provision means! I'm waiting to see if actually this gang on the hill will manage to turn upside down what's been official US policy so far, even if merely lip service.
No doubt we will soon see more of this effort by Israel in other countries as well.
 

Sandrea S (278)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 10:42 am
Should have never created the welfare state of Israel!
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:03 pm
Love it - resistance toilet paper for all self-respecting defenders of human rights and freedom of speech!
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:22 pm
When will we get to stop paying for WWII? I'm sick to death of Israel getting a free pass on everything because of what happened 70 years ago! My dad paid that debt on the battlefields of Belgium, France, and Germany!
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:38 pm
I agree 100% with Sandrea.
End all U.S. aid to Israel, now.

Plug the hasbara diarrhea.. Time for some serious Pepto Bismal.

No end to the gas and stench from the yahoo and the mindsets that have lived their lives, BY ENRICHING THEMSELVES, DENIED AND PROMOTED squelching those of others.
P.O.S.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:41 pm
"Others, including some who oppose the BDS movement, are more worried about the legislation’s use of the phrase “Israeli-controlled territories.” They argue it’s a veiled reference to Israeli settlements in the West Bank — and that its use is an attempt to use U.S. law to legitimize Israel’s control over disputed land that Palestinians claim for a future state."

Well - it is, isn't it!!

"AIPAC has in the past avoided taking a formal position on the settlements, whose existence and expansion the U.S. government has generally opposed.

“In our view, these are not anti-BDS measures,” said Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs for the left-leaning pro-Israel group J Street. “These are pro-settlement measures.”

Trust AIPAC & Cie to try to present the narrowly focussed EU position (focussed on the occupied territories) & try to mislead American to believe that Israel itself is targetted by the resolutions .... So typical, twist the facts in order to control better .....

I agree, Carrie - but as long as people are terrorised by the idea of being called "Anti-Semitic", we're going to see people paying for that period .... And those who pay the highest price are the people who had NOTHING to do with Anti-Semitism & the Holocaust ...but had the misfortune of being the people of the land on which the Zionists finally set their sights ... rather than Argentina or Uganda .....

 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:42 pm
I know how Carrie feels. So many offered up their lives and fought for FREEDOM - and we should never forget it!!

Nor should we allow Israel to milk Americans or the rest of the world, and exploit the holocaust and the memory of those, who fought and died!
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:50 pm
And this is coming on the heels of this:

It's a Crime to Point Out Israel's Crimes

It’s just shameless!
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 12:58 pm
Wait for a version of the US constitution in Hebrew..THEN the last dreamer WILL wake up!
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:19 pm
Guilt is something you don't understand, Bidet!
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:30 pm
Sheyna P. - Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:19 pm

"And you can't keep exploiting the Holocaust and crying that WE are exploiting the Holocaust.

If you need a translator, Angelika, just let me know, okay?"

I think we would ALL appreciate an English translation of this cryptic comment.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:32 pm
You can’t bear arms to resist the occupation. You can’t use peaceful means to resist the occupation. You can’t point out Israel’s crimes without being accused of a hate crime. Well, the rest of the world might as well DROP DEAD!

In this fight between Humanity and Zionism, it’s quite clear who’s winning.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:32 pm
Any news out of the Senate yet? Was my error earlier, the vote was not in the morning but scheduled for afternoon.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:37 pm
Ah, here it is: Fast-track trade bill fails first test in Senate (Politics | Tue May 12, 2015 3:30pm EDT -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-usa-trade-idUSKBN0NX0B320150512 )
The provision was snuck inside if I understood correctly.
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:40 pm
The US is quite rightly standing against Israelophobia.

Angelika, using Israeli technology and research must be banned so you should close your computer and throw it and your mobile phone away.

lobo, please define apartheid in Israel. All people, including the 20% who are decended from Palestinian Muslims, are equal up to and including being MKs. They also receive the same access to the justice system, the police, medical care, education and the bomb shelters as the daily rockets land from their relations in Gaza.
 

Kathleen M (208)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:44 pm
Thanks, Sam.
 

(0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 2:38 pm
I am always amazed at the rationality and fairness exhibited by the anti-Jew squad on Care2. They never comment or criticise on the Islamic occupation of very much larger real estate than the tiny little bit of what used to be a desert in the Middle East. I am talking about Indonesia’s invasion of Papua New Guinea and the slaughter of an estimated 400,000 people; our caring friends apparently don’t care. Neither do they give a thought even for Turkey’s illegal occupation (according to the UN) of half of the island of Cyprus and its expulsion of 40,000 Greek Cypriots? What about the 1 million Jews expelled from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Egypt and Morocco after 1948 that had to leave with just the clothing on their backs? The Jews in Israel (with a 20% Arab population) live in less than 1/640th of the land Arabs occupy yet the Arabs want just that tiny bit as well – tell me what for? It seems that our “caring” is very much a form of caring apartheid amongst the likes of el Lobotomy, Angelika (both members of zee germaniacal “Master” races) Sam and our “aristocrat” Earl (do you know how hilariously tacky that name sounds outside the USA?), jess b and of course that sweetheart of caring and pagan divinity, Evelyn.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:18 pm
I'm still reeling from Harper's latest kiss ass antics. No other country gives Israel a bigger seal of approval than Canada--well Harper+his goons...all about the UN votes+upcoming jewish votes he needs coz he's lost the country--long ago actually. thx Sam
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:19 pm
Oh and love the toilet paper touch!
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:26 pm
carrie, what a disgusting thing to say. The loss of lives in the Holocaust was incalculable and ongoing. The lives that were lost were partly due to us Americans because we refused to come in until forced to. We also refused to allow refugees in and sent them back knowing that they would die.

For each life lost there was a future lost, the children they would have, the contributions to society, research, and the arts. Each life lost was one that failed to touch another. These losses to humankind are incalculable and irreplaceable. I know that you are an Israelophobe as well as a Judeophobe so this would mean nothing to you and, in fact, you are probably happy about it, but the discoveries that could have been made for the betterment of all will be unknown. Why do I say this? 20% of Nobel prizes for science etc have been made by Jews, not Muslims. Muslims have contributed almost nothing.

You say your father paid, did he pay with his entire family? Did he pay with his life in a gas chamber? Did he scrape out the ovens? And what did you pay? Jews will always pay for this loss which you denigrate. Nothing has changed, you must make Husseini very proud that you are following in his footsteps.
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:29 pm
Penny's only friend is the Barbed One. . . Sheesh - now that's as sad as the pathetic-looking dog in her avatar!
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:31 pm
Nyack, you condemn Israel for Gaza but it is OK for Egyptians to muder Christians for no other reason than they are kafirs. You are silent on Egyptians attack on Gazans. Hypocrite of the worst order.
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:37 pm
By the way jess, your knowledge of history is appalling. Jews in the Warsaw ghetto gave their lives to hold a batalion of Germans held up for a week, they had no food and no weapons but they managed. By doing so they changed the course of the war which helped Britain. Jews fought in the army alongside non-Jews and gave their lives too. You insult people in the worst possible way.
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:39 pm
Actually, as carrie is jess then this applies to her, learn history.
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 3:45 pm
SIXTY MILLION people died in WW2 - but you only have tears for the non-Gentiles.
 

Freya H (345)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 4:42 pm
OK, what "anti-Jew" squad? Sheesh, stop being such a bunch of knee-jerk paranoids! I can understand why Jews are so sensitive, considering all the crap that has been stacked on them - but that does not in anyway justify Israel stacking crap on the Palestinians, or on its critics. You can be anti-Zionist and still pro-Jewish. I have no problem with Jews - when I say that some of my good friends are Jewish, that is no B.S. - but I do have a problem with Netanyahu and the Israeli government. I am sorry about the terrible suffering that Jews have suffered - but that does not mean Israel is a sacred cow. People have as much right to criticize Israel as they do any other nation.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 5:43 pm
No Carrie is NOT Jess, but Sheyna IS Barbara!
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 5:47 pm
An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated BY Jews. . .
- - - Joseph Sobran
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 6:17 pm
Hi, jess here.
jess is NOT Carrie.

@Sheyna et al - your racist smears and vicious attack of Evelyn are malicious; you are out of line, off topic and abusing the thread and care2 guidelines.
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 6:21 pm
@Penny Baxter: Your racist smears and vicious attack of Evelyn are malicious; you are out of line, off topic and abusing the thread and care2 guidelines.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 9:44 pm
Sorry Penny, but I won't go to your pity party. My father's sacrifice was greater than you will ever know or understand. I'm sure you're only interested in Jewish suffering, but there's a whole world out there with others who have suffered as much as the Jewish people. Your constant self-pity and self-victimization is not only ugly, but no longer able to render the desired effect from a world full of suffering; ~ some of that suffering inflicted on innocents by Jews.You're a child in a grown-up world you do not understand!
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Tuesday May 12, 2015, 10:12 pm
Noted. Thank you Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:10 am
This is mind-boggling..Why is it that among some alledgedly nearly THIRTY MILLION members to this "care 2" site there seem to be NO TRUE JEWS?? In the sense and spirit of judaism, such as the MANY jewish groups like JVP (that means jews for PEACE) plus others and countless individuals??

Do we ONLY have low standard and evil spirited Zionists here?? Hate spewers of THE WORST ORDER ?
There MUST be many more jewish members, of this I am sure,- where are they? Did the vicious zionists place a a gag order on them ? Or did Care2 suspend them?
 

Shil O (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:18 am
Angelica R's sole comment Do we ONLY have low standard and evil spirited Zionists here?? Hate spewers of THE WORST ORDER ?

sounds like the mohammedan definiition as defined in the koran sira and sunna but then ignorance from the circus of clowns is the rule rather than the exception
 

Shil O (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:31 am


Pretty Soon You Wouldn't Be Able to Wipe Your Ass Without Israel's Approval
Tthe image shown (which is extremely offensive BTW)
Thankfully mohammedans will not be using it as old mo himself has laid down the rules

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever performs ablution should clean his nose with water by putting the water in it and then blowing it out, and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with odd number of stones."
Sahih Bukhari 1:4:162
alman said that (one among) the polytheists remarked: I see that your friend even teaches you about the excrement. He replied; Yes, he has in fact forbidden us that anyone amongst us should cleanse himself with his right hand, or face the Qibla. He has forbidden the use of dung or bone for it, and he has also instructed us not to use less than three pebbles (for this purpose).
Sahih Muslim 2:505
Narrated Zayd ibn Arqam: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: These privies are frequented by the jinns and devils. So when anyone amongst you goes there, he should say: "I seek refuge in Allah from male and female devils."
 

Rose B (141)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 4:04 am
Sam I liked the title :)
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 4:38 am
Ros- "not just in Israel but anywhere else.......speaking out could lose you "your job""- well sorry, I wasn't aware this applies even TO CARE2 as well! (how telling is that!) That WAS ALL I was speaking of. You don't really think I wasn't aware of the rest, do you Ros.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 5:46 am
So YOU'RE one of the '"true Jews". You said it. God help us. Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings - the ugly truth. . .
 

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 7:31 am
After reading the comments, I believe that I do not like this article so much (or at all).
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 8:10 am
How many times a person has to lie to be known as PATHOLOGICAL LIAR? Three, Four?

Well, this is the third article from Sam, where he lies about the article title and a photo.

Note, how professional is the picture that Sam attached. Making such pictures cost money, and not small ones.

Arab PR Fund spent $300,000USD to get and spread 60 stories of Israeli soldiers, criticizing IDF. How much more money Arab and Islamist sources spend trying to stir anti-Israel feelings, rather than helping their Arab brothers in Syria, West Bank, Gaza, Iraq, Yemen...

 

Sandrea S (278)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 8:13 am
I really wish I could post my Harper on toilet paper pic here. Priceless!
 

Carol R (11)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 8:19 am
Yes, to silence is the prime goal. Perhaps people should read the thread Political Incorrectness on Care2 barbara (sheyna)d. started in order to get any articles disagreeing with Israeli political policies banned from Care2. As it is a public forum I shall post the link here:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=187&pst=1853489

And 2 comments (one posted below) from support to barbara d on her conduct and attempts to silence, degrade, intimidate and accuse with falsehoods (I'm going to include Penny in those descriptions) those who disagree with her.


CareTwo S.
7 months ago

Hi Barbara,

The Isreal/Palestine conflict is one that World Leaders have been at loggerheads over for many years, but one that members of Care2 often post about and can debate without taking it too far. Is there an *answer* to that issue or should it or any hot topic be open to discussion and debate?

Unfortunately, just looking at some of your very own, most recent posts, I would hardly say that were being the kindest towards others with a view in opposition to your own on not just this topic, but others as well. I know that will surely be met with your disagreement, but I am not here for debate on politics or issues.

The flagging system is in place to track what our members deem to be inappropriate comments and they are reviewed with regards to content and language, not politics. Your two most recent comments contain calling another member a *sock puppet* and the one before that you say it is like *talking to doorknobs*. 2 most recent, mind you. I do not remove those, but they are also not looking to make any attempt of civil conversation, either.

Are you being both civil and within boundaries? Please use the flags and also, simply please consider your own words and how you would expect someone to react IF you address them in that manner(Parrots, lacking integrity).

From above: (legimate source,self-proclaimed,Propaganda,fallacious statements,beyond the boundaries, nearly profane epithets). The meaning of words alone are very personal in nature as far as an individual opinion goes.

C2NN accepts links that members want to share...is it up to you or I or anyone to decide if it is a legitmate source, or can members discuss and debate the posted item without asking for another member to be removed? I also ask, are you going on to an opposing view, having a heated debate and then....??

Nothing personal or political, or having to do with diet choices or any issue or topic other than content. I know it goes both ways, so that is why the flags are there, so please use them and not verbal retalliation.
send green star


 

Roberto MARINI (88)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:01 am
THANKS
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:04 am
You're right, Angelika, "That doesn't mean the danger is over." Because Israel keeps trying to control our way of life. The bill did not fail because of sneaky AIPAC tactics. It failed because Obama decided to negotiate in secret. For God's sake it's about trade, why should there be any secrets there? It's not that he was trying to send arms illegally to Israel and needed the secrecy to protect the deal. No secrecy would have been needed in that case. Even the Constitution will be bypassed to serve the needs of Israel. The secrecy, in this case, was to keep our farmers and China in the dark, I think!
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:05 am
May Bidet R.I.P.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:14 am
I will only state that I noted----and the unseen positive forces are waiting for man to correct something that man invented---separateness. Man is ONE. No man or group is separate. We have lost the memory of this. There are many good souls above who are having a "hash", on a small scale, due to this error in attitude---which is mostly due to the environment most were raised in. Now, as free thinking adults, we should feel, know in our hearts and souls the real truth. Just the one truth--that man is One--this would stop giving man an incorrect excuse for calling another man "enemy"....and stop the large-scale "hashes" called "war" also. There are many issues even more urgent---like the state Earth and all that lives is in--due to man's error in thought. If man would unite--cease the separateness--appeal to that which we came from and must return to--our short Earth visit would be much more pleasant--and we'd enjoy a longer stay. Does not this make sense?
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:32 am
Vatican Recognizes Palestine
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:36 am
..not just your farmers! As for China, you're probably correct I think. I picked out the sneaky provision part as that is what the article mainly dealt with and what caused the thread to look like it does now; I'm all too aware of all the rest. But keep in mind, trade has little to do with secret tribunals, it's that part (ISDS and ICSID) that understandably bothers most.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:05 am
I return to thank you Sam, for the posting. The above is my spiritual side speaking. My Earthly self is directly descended from President John Adams, William Wallace (Braveheart) and Native Americans. Politically, I feel that when one is in U.S. office, they should honor The Constitution and The Declaration Of Independence. Truth be spoken, always, my real choice would be to return to, cherish, honor the Native American spirituality and way of life. This should be their country--it was taken from them. Wouldn't the world be quite different if it's indigenous people ruled? They were less prone to the separateness I mention above. So, back to the issue at hand---the Israeli government is being permitted by our government to display blatant disregard, disrespect for our Constitution. They're pressing for and receiving special favors. It makes the world believe that this is blackmail of a sort---for our gov. members to participate in and display such behavior. I do believe we have a bully in the schoolyard. Last I knew, one must stand up to a bully, or matters escalate in the wrong direction--and the bully attacks your friends and befriends your enemies. More separateness of man being as one ensues, and you have a huge "hash". There's a fine line of when must or must not take actions to stop aggressiveness in order to obtain and maintain peace. I think action is needed to stop that aggression now.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:12 am
Fantastic news! thanks Sam! Looks like lots of feather ruffling to come..next between the Vatican and the US?
"This is a very important recognition as the Vatican has a very important political status that stems from its spiritual status," said Abbas' senior aide, Nabil Shaath. "We expect more EU countries to follow."
Amen!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:45 am
Sheyna,

the Arabs apologists don't understand, that Americans can hardly support CAIR, when CAIR teaches its members NOT to talk to FBI and tries to justify Islamist terrorism.

Most Americans won't do that even if Sam posts another hundred of articles with fake pictures and fake titles. This is exactly why Pallywood is not trusted anymore as well.

 

Parsifal S (96)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:56 am

May Bidet hasBarbara rest in Peace !
 

Parsifal S (96)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:56 am

fits in here well

May We Please Give You A Blowjob
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:11 am
Hi Janice, I've been thanking you in my heart for every word you wrote. But you're owed a lot more than that for enlightening us and promoting peace. We are all richer for your wonderful contribution.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:14 am
Which thread did I just wander onto?
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:58 am
Thx Sam for speaking on our behalf here regarding Janice! I too think the stars aren't enough and she is so right in both, promoting peace AND taking action when that thin line is crossed. And BDS IS a peaceful action.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:24 pm

Sheyna (backup profile of hasBarbara)

'Someone took the first exit off the autobahn...........'

How dare you using this anti-Semitic A-word !
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:28 pm
So, Nyack can put a load of irrelevant rubbish on any article she chooses but it someone points out hypocrisy then she blows up.

As for jess & carrie, they both spit out Judeophobia and Israelophobia as if they had a machine gun in exactly the same way. That is not a compliment by the way, just an unpleasant fact of life.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:30 pm
Noted.The negativity is disgusting, I can't believe some of these hate-filled comments.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:34 pm
It is always interesting that so many people on here are so racist and jump and down screaming at Israel. However, their very safety has, on many occasions, relied on Israel's goodwill and generosity despite Obama. They are also happy to use Israeli goods and research despite calling for BDS and, I have no doubt, they are using Israeli inventions, drugs and research each time they visit a hospital or doctor. I am very sure that they wouldn't refuse to use their drugs or demand that their surgeon not use their techniques. One only has to look at how the doctors in the hospital in BOSTON used these after the BOMBING THERE BY MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

Whilst all of you loud mouths are sounding off, no Israeli has ever attacked anyone in the US but they have visited, after 9/11 WHICH WAS AN ATTACK BY MUSLIM TERRORISTS ON THE US and again, after Sandy in New York. Not even the government cared enough to help!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:40 pm
Not the thread to wander into with a headache.
Thank you Sam for posting the article.
Wow...just wow. Some people.
Some great comments by Freya and Janice.
Who is who? Beginning to have second thoughts about this place...sadly.
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 12:52 pm
Did I post the wrong link before?

Vatican Recognizes Palestine
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:09 pm
It’s quite strange to bring up Hamas’s charter but not that of the occupier’s ruling party!

The Likud Party Charter states:

a. The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.

b. Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem.

c. The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.

d. The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

Now which one is more moderate Hamas or Likud?
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:12 pm
So, apart from The Lavon Affair; JFK; the USS Liberty; Jonathon Pollard; and 9/11. . . 'Israel' is our greatest ally!! LOL!! With 'friends' like that who the hell needs enemies!!!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:15 pm
I'll show you WHAT a load of rubbish looks like- and not even then did she blow up - when she could or should have...:
"Just as well Nyack you were not born before WW2 or you would have been probably helping to run one of the those Nazi camps and ended up chatting to the judges at Nuremburg." (from ne of the nasty haters here)
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:15 pm
If we didn't have friends like that we probably wouldn't have enemies!
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:23 pm
Obviously be chosen it's perfectly OK for Jews to Copy & paste. . .
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:30 pm
Earl, When one's morality is so lax as to allow the stealing of other people's land, stealing other people's intellectual work is just a minor theft! They probable wouldn't recognize either as theft! Such is their morality!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:35 pm
Now WHERE is the "hate" in my comment ? -which didn't have to be c/p, I know what I wote and everyone has seen it. I was rightfully criticising what I have seen on this thread so far and missing a balance, peaceful statements from jews as a contrast.! I still do btw!
 

Janet B (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:39 pm
Thanks
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:45 pm
Thats just who I mean, yes. I only used the same attributes and wording the trolls threw on the rest of us-so they must be the haters.
and i still cannot see those other peaceful true jews..sorry
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:46 pm
I thought only a person with a soul can get reincarnated, but apparently even a soulless contraption such as a Bidet can also be given another life!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:50 pm
Cats have 7 or 9 lives, no?
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:54 pm
But cats are adorable, Angelika! Here we're talking about a soulless contraption!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 1:56 pm
well, those previous avatars looked pretty soulless to me as well
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:16 pm
The ones that make great comments such as this:
"Mazel tov--congratulations--to this inspired Pope as he continues his blessed work! President Obama could finally earn his Nobel Peace Prize were he to follow the Pope's leadership on this issue. We understand that President Obama is unlikely to take any steps at this moment that might make more likely attempts by Congress to undermine his path to achieving an agreement by Iran to not develop nuclear weapon. We urge our President to use the occasion of the visit of the Pope to the U.S. in the Fall of 2015 to announce that he will follow the path of the Vatican, recognize Palestine, and pledge to support efforts in the UN Security Council to grant Palestine full membership in the United Nations with all the rights pertaining to a sovereign state."
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:17 pm
If I were you, I wouldn't call Norman Finkelstein names. That son of Holocaust survivors was detained in Israel and deported!

Now what was Israel established for? Just for the thugs for Europe or for the victims of Nazism?
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:22 pm
I wouldn't call The Ethiopians Jews names either. First you kidnap them, then you abuse them! Those anti-Semites running the State of Israel--are a disgrace to humanity!
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:24 pm
It's a miracle there are still Palestinians on the face of earth!
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:25 pm
I would have thought that was obvious by now - 'Israel' is the central H.Q. of The Jew World Order.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:27 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Sam.

Well, I was very glad to see that trade agreement not pass. And, I was sent a message by Jewish Voice for Peace earlier.....a petition to sign basically asking that people no longer be condemned for making statements on Israel that weren't "pro-Israel." Apparently, there is a very harsh method in place for people who "speak against Israel." Sorry I don't have a link. But you can check out their website. I did sign & shared it privately.
Things are changing in the world, and very quickly. Israel has taken an aggressive stance that much of the world does NOT approve of. So glad to see what Pope Francis said, too! Enough is enough!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:30 pm
Parsifal, from what I read, blowjobs are completely un-Islamic.

For a compensation, Islam allows man different things: there is a fatwa permitting a man to eat your wife if he is really hungry and to have sex with the dead wife, if she passed away less than a couple of hours ago.
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:33 pm
Thank you so much, Lois! I hope they can overcome the forces of evil that managed to keep Netanyahu in power. In a democracy, we have to assume the majority spoke and those with any sense of decency have to live with the consequences of that election. Sad reality, isn't it?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:36 pm
Sam: "It's a miracle there are still Palestinians on the face of earth!"

Considering:
* that a "Palestinian" means a descendant of a someone who live in Palestine just for two years between June 1946 and May 1948,
* considering all the money that UNWRA gives to "Palestinians" making them World Best Paid Refugees for 70 years, including born and grown up in Arab countries and never stepping a foot into Palestine,
* considering that having more kids means more UNWRA money and UNWRA ensured that the world highest birthrate is in Gaza,

the real miracle is that NOT EVERYONE on the face of earth is not yet "Palestinian".
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:37 pm
You have appoint there, Nyack. What was I thinking!? It couldn't have been anti-Semitism for the Ethiopian Jews were not Jewish enough!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:51 pm
As for the Gaza population, didn't we hear just annonced by the new lawn mowers they will especially target all those women and children to compensate that fertility?? or did I get that wrong?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:53 pm
Everyone needs a hobby, Nyack!

When you are not busy attacking Israel, you don't need to attack Care2 members, you can do something positive for a change.

 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:57 pm
Angelika, you got it wrong. If Israelis wanted to target Gaza women and children, they would do it long time ago.

But this is more an Arab and Islamist hobby, to attack women and children. You know, those who go to work in New York, or run Marathon in Boston, or send kids to kindergartens in Israel.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:19 pm
Thanks for this interesting article, Sam. Sadly the real subject can’t be discussed as we face the usual hasbara tactic: divert from the subject at all cost. Nothing new there.

I like your choice of picture though and note that it has raised some eyebrows. I just wonder why? Isn’t this the very same when good ol’ Mohammed was depicted on a roll of toilet paper and everyone claimed “Freedom of Expression”? How come it doesn’t apply here too?

I have to give you that, Sam – I think your choice of the word “bidet” is quite succinct and perfectly describes what we’re looking at here. This is because it’s good to have dual ID’s (or more) so that one, i.e. the bidet, can come back and wash the mess which the first one created. That way you can even save on the starred toiled paper.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:25 pm
Evelyn – I don’t talk to you anymore because (according to Penny Baxter further up) -

1) I live in Egypt,
2) YOU have become an Egyptian and
3) it seems I’m the last to know!

That’s it – no more!!!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:35 pm
Except me, hardly anyone noticed that , Eleonora-and I didn't feel like starting a discussion over it. :)
As Sam said, just overlook worhtless small change..
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:36 pm

As Lois Jordan mentioned the efforts of JVP (Jewish Voice for Peace) and their petition ...

Here is the link to their petition to the State Department:

Tell the State Department to revise its definition of anti-Semitism

Please also visit their website to get the context and true meaning of Angelika’s comment of Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:10 am rather than this unspeakable distortion which the hasbaratchik trolls try to concoct.

~*~*~*~

This is the text of the email alert sent out today by JVP - I urge you all to please go to the link and sign this important petition:

"Anti-Semitism is real - that’s not up for debate. Wherever anti-Semitism exists, we need to stamp it out.

Unfortunately, the State Department doesn’t see it that way. Their definition of anti-Semitism includes “demonizing,” “delegitimizing,” or creating a “double-standard” for Israel. These definitions are intentionally vague, and are already being used by colleges and others to silence those of us -- Jews and non-Jews -- who speak out against Israel’s human rights abuses.

Hundreds of academics from across the U.S. have written an open letter to the State Department because they are deeply worried about the effect of this definition on academic freedom.

Add your name. Tell the Secretary of State John Kerry to change the State Department’s definition of anti-Semitism.

Here’s the thing, Eleonora . Labeling legitimate criticism of Israeli aggression as anti-Semitism does not just stifle debate. It trivializes the real struggles of those who are being persecuted because of who they are.

This isn’t an abstract issue. This State Department definition is having real ramifications, across the U.S. and around the world.

Speaking out against the occupation of Palestine is not anti-Semitic. Tell the State Department to revise their definition of anti-Semitism.

All too often, JVP chapters and members are slandered for organizing boycotts of companies profiting from injustice in Israel. All too often, Palestinian students on campus are punished for sharing their stories of oppression and occupation.

We need to end all forms of hate and prejudice, wherever they exist. But we won’t do that by muzzling activists. Join me in demanding the State Department revise their definition of anti-Semitism.

Onward,
Rabbi Alissa Wise"



 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:46 pm

"Sheyna" - "... number of collateral civilians, which in itself is acceptable, but unavoidable when the civilians are deliberately put in harms way."

Are you talking about the 1/2 million plus settlers which are deliberately put in harms way in the occupied territories including their wives and children? So it's acceptable if they get killed/harmed for the greater goal of Zionism? It's also good for propagandistic exploitation, right "Sheyna"?

BTW "Sheyna" - What happened?
"Can I assume that the “we” are still busy copying my “most vulgar, crass, and vile comments. And filthy PM,s” (your slanderous and totally baseless accusations against me further up) and preparing them to be posted here?"
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:59 pm

Hi Angelika - I know trying to earnestly discuss a topic (and stay with it) is almost impossible if the HTG is let lose on the thread. And it seems that they went into high gear given the ... seemingly ... high number of hasbara participants - LOL!!!

What we've seen with this aborted bill is just more of the knee-jerk actions of the Zionist lobby in the US.

The paragraph about the European politicy "... that many European countries actively promote trade with the state of Israel itself ..." makes it clear that the (European) target is the movement to boycott all products from the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The US citizens should be proudly joining such move and not trying to put a stop to it. After all - aren't they and the Zionist always claiming at every opportunity that they want nothing more than a "just and lasting peace"? Yet both do everything in the book NOT to achieve it.

This settlement boycott is something Gush Shalom had been actively promoting on their website for decades publishing a comprehensive list of all companies/products from the settlements. But after Israel passed a law which makes it a crime to call for the boycott of products from the settlements Gush Shalom could simply no longer afford the financial burden (fines, court cases, etc.).

Ultimately it seems that the Zionists manage to quite a good extend to muzzle each and everyone.



 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 4:36 pm

"Sheyna" - I know comprehension is not everybody's skill but re-read what I wrote under Wednesday May 13, 2015, 3:46 pm and maybe you for once can answer a specific question? I know it's difficult and against the Hasbara Manual ... but give it a try for once,.

I'm not talking about "international case law" (this is what kind of term exactly??) as genocide is very clearly defined. I wonder who has "difficult(ies) to grasp" a point ...

Rather than wasting your money on Amazon books, small as the books may be, you'd better go to the original source which is what the International Law stipulates. Does it come as a surprise to you that ever so many of the definitions of genocidal actions are applicable in the case at hand ... being Israel?!

~*~*~*~

The legal definition of genocide

The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:

1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and

2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."

Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity.

Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

It is a crime to plan or incite genocide, even before killing starts, and to aid or abet genocide: Criminal acts include conspiracy, direct and public incitement, attempts to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide.
Punishable Acts The following are genocidal acts when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence:

Killing members of the group includes direct killing and actions causing death.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm includes inflicting trauma on members of the group through widespread torture, rape, sexual violence, forced or coerced use of drugs, and mutilation.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

Prevention of births includes involuntary sterilization, forced abortion, prohibition of marriage, and long-term separation of men and women intended to prevent procreation.

Forcible transfer of children may be imposed by direct force or by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or other methods of coercion. The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines children as persons under the age of 18 years.
Genocidal acts need not kill or cause the death of members of a group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm, prevention of births and transfer of children are acts of genocide when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence.

Protected Groups:

The law protects four groups - national, ethnical, racial or religious groups.

A national group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by a common country of nationality or national origin.

An ethnical group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common cultural traditions, language or heritage.

A racial group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by physical characteristics.

A religious group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common religious creeds, beliefs, doctrines, practices, or rituals.

Usually people are born into these four groups. These four groups share the common characteristic that individuals are most often born into the group. While some individuals may change nationality or religion - or even adopt a new cultural, ethnic or racial identity - usually people do not choose their group identity. In genocide people are targeted for destruction not because anything they have done, but because of who they are.

Group identity is often imposed by the perpetrators. Perpetrators of genocide frequently make group categories more rigid or create new definitions which impose group identity on individuals, without regard to peoples individual choices.

Key Terms:
The crime of genocide has two elements: intent and action. “Intentional” means purposeful. Intent can be proven directly from statements or orders. But more often, it must be inferred from a systematic pattern of coordinated acts.

Intent is different from motive. Whatever may be the motive for the crime (land expropriation, national security, territorial integrity, etc.), if the perpetrators commit acts intended to destroy a group, even part of a group, it is genocide.

The phrase "in whole or in part" is important. Perpetrators need not intend to destroy the entire group. Destruction of only part of a group (such as its educated members, or members living in one region) is also genocide. Most authorities require intent to destroy a substantial number of group members – mass murder. But an individual criminal may be guilty of genocide even if he kills only one person, so long as he knew he was participating in a larger plan to destroy the group.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 4:45 pm
Eleonora, thank you for the definition of Genocide.

Looks exactly like what Arab states want to do with Jewish Israelis/Jewish Palestinians.

May be "Arab Street" is lacking skills at that, but not the enthusiasm!!!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 5:11 pm

Dear Bob - it's really nice and much appreciated - by me at least - that you never disappoint and come forward with yet another one of you eloquent and factual solid comments ;-).
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 5:13 pm

Ops I forgot Bob - I wanted to tell you this since quite a while away from politics: I love your avatar! It's a beautiful horse and reminds me of my days when I did some horse riding. Ciao!
 

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 5:20 pm
The symbols of Peace went looking for world peace, they landed briefly here and gazed on this thread, then quickly flew off in the opposite direction, as obviously, there is not much chance of finding it nesting here.
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 6:27 pm
yada, yad, yada..

"jewish science", again? LOL

Nothing to say about the crimes of Israeli state theft of Palestinian lands, homes or the deaths of Palestinian innocents and massacres in Gaza--- of course not - hasbara trollies have nothing to say, so deflect --

Keep it off the illegal occupation, and Israeli crimes, and find another way to 'occupy' the thread..distract..
Says a lot, they have to keep it up.....
'Good international case book'..... so impressed with the latest blather... lol
 

David B (34)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 6:51 pm
and here we go again . I'm so sick of religion causing the grief and trouble it do . because this is all religion based . it should be outlawed totally . it causes wars which bring nothing but death and destruction . I'm reading all that is being written and it only makes sense to the people who are saying it not to all who read it . all you are doing is arguing with each other and name calling , not trying to have an intelligent discussion . you know I have friends every where and the one .thing I refuse to tolerate from any of them is any comments about religion , and the nice thing is they all respect my stance on it and now you should try for an intelligent discussion people cause right now all your doing is creating a lot of hard feelings .
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 7:14 pm
Janice Banks, thank you for your comment, which I forgot to mention.

We, all, have the right, to stand for justice, equality and freedoms, and against any, who would try to silence the expression of those beliefs.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 7:57 pm
Sheyna,

I see that you live in Israel and are concern about how Israel looks at the International arena.

Could you please explain me, how come that Israel did not copyright the name Palestine, or, if it cannot be copyrighted, allowed Arabs basically steal it from the Jews?

A bunch of Arab economic migrants has been coming from Egypt and Syria to Israel/Palestine to work for Zionist Enterprizes for the last 150 years. Now descendants of these Arabs got together and declared themselves "Palestinians", as if such country really existed. Now that BS became commonly accepted, because people don't know and don't care.

I know that Jews have good lawyers. My lawyer is also Jewish and also good. Why this huge blunder was allowed to take place on Israel's legal side? You can talk to different parties, can you check if they plan to do anything to reclaim the title?


 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 7:59 pm
I see the usual nasty comments that always accompany any article regarding Israel and Palestinians. I'd say the Israelis are doing a damn poor job on the genocide front. Perhaps they should take lessons from the Muslims. Except that would require killing their own with equal gusto. Well, I guess there are no easy answers here. How does one deal with entities who have stated they will settle for nothing less than your extermination? Get to them first I guess.

I must disagree with the idea that Jews are not Caucasian, although Jews could be any of the three races as far as religious practices are concerned, the peoples of northern Africa and the middle east are Caucasian and not Negroid or Mongoloid. Caucasian can be any color, although most people tend to associate them with white.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 8:12 pm
Bob - seriously - you need help.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 8:34 pm
Bob, all that you say is true, but do you think even Dershowitz could trounce the League of Nations and the United Nations?
Picture Israel with the UN on her back and the Arab League on the UN's back.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:05 pm
Ari, I am not that much of lawyer myself to discuss copyright issues. And I don't know how good is Dershowitz as a copyright lawyer. Title copyright issue is a legal issue and is not for UN to vote on.

If some folks in Europe decided to call their own country Europe, other European countries would find something to say and to do.

Stealing the title "Palestine" by Arabs was the best PR trick they ever played. To be fair to Russian KGB, it was KGB's idea, originated in 1967. Arafat and his buddies played their hand perfect!

50 years, and the whole world is duped, even the Israelis who are known to be geniuses in science and health industries.

May be it's time for Israelis to become street smart as well and to start watching for pick pockets.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:17 pm
Earl: "Bob - seriously - you need help. "

Yes, Earl, I know, thank you for your consideration.

I would like to see more people defending Israel, with 6 million Jews facing off 422,000,000 Arabs and 1,600,000,000 Muslims. One Israel's vote in UN against 22 Arab votes and against 72 Islamic votes.

It is indeed a hard task to stand up to a bully, but that's OK for me for now.
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:45 pm
I often wonder who some of you " lovely " people would attack if Israel didn't exist. I'm pretty sure I've worked it out.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:47 pm
I have an important clarification to make: from the count of 422,000,000 Arabs and 1,600,000,000 Muslims we need to remove those, who know how to play fair and not to scapegoat Israel for the ills that are not Israel's fault. I don't know the numbers, but know these numbers are not small.

My deep respect and admiration goes to all Moderate Muslims and Moderate Arabs, especially Muslims minorities, abused by Islamists.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 9:48 pm
Stan, you can just look at Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Syria now, or Lebanon in recent history.
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 10:03 pm
People around the world despise what the state of Israel pretends to be, and is not.

International Law is clear. The settlements are illegal.
For more:
endtheoccupation.org

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:45 pm
Jess, you are lucky that many people don't see what is going on on the Arab street and how Arab states manipulate UN and milk western taxpayers while not requesting anything from OIL $$$ Arab countries.

I am not buying your dawah.

 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:52 pm
"A little learning is a dangerous thing."
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 12:59 am
Bob, stop deflecting, why don't you...

Just visualize, if you can, unless it's too abhorrent to you, someone bursting into your home, removing all your things, and kicking you out onto the street -- and out of town.
Mensch or mouse? Just rhetorical ... sad, to say

 

Parsifal S (96)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 2:47 am





The Nakba: Catastrophe





 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:02 am
Amazing what just one roll of toilet paper can cause ....looks like this thread needs a fresh roll now!
Why not leave up everything concerning LAW to the professional who fortunately is finally engaged in this case and knows best about it! But not even that subject would be on topic to this posting, which is about how Israel and its lobby is dictating the policies of other nations.
 

Roslyn McBride (26)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:02 am
Noted
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 7:27 am
Yes, Jess, unfortunately such things happen much more often that we want.

Then the people just pack up their stuff and move to live with their own.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 7:48 am
Eleonora - I was as surprised as you to learn this new information about myself!

But it is very much par for the course coming from a member of a group that systematically fills these threads with misinformation .... good little hasbara soldiers who use false information, attempt to deviate attention from the specific subject under discussion by drawing attention to wrongs elsewhere (and, if possible, blacken the image of all Muslims while at this game) .... I see a number have popped up to join the hate spew!

How could anyone confuse Jess and Carrie, let along say they are the same person?

Angie ... I must object to one statement you make! I see several Jews commenting coherently here who are far from being in agreement with the hate brigade. They are people of integrity, and I see no reason why they should be expected to preface comments with "I am a Jew" .... They've mentioned this fact elsewhere, often more than once. I suspect some of the pro-Zionist voices are not even Jewish, in fact .... possibly Christian Zionists?

I would like to point out that there is no rule that C2NN posts have to use the title of the article .... I admit to finding it annoying and frustrating when people do not, but it is not an obligation. I have noticed the twisting of titles has also been used to strengthen an Islamophic perspective quite often ..... so when Sam does this on posts criticising Israel .... he also has such a right.

There is no rule about what image one uses with a post .... no obligation to take an image from the article posted.

I admit the image here is offensive - humorously so (like Charlie Hebdo), but offensive to some. Freedom of expression ..... can be very offensive at times, but when the target was Mohammed, the Islamophobes told us that Muslims shouldn't be so sensitive ..... Is this another example of two rules, two measures??
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 7:51 am
To return to the article that is SUPPOSED to be the ubject of discussion ...

I am very glad that the ICC includes the settlement question in their investigations.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 7:55 am
Evelyn,

Sam has no rights whatsoever to fake article title and a photo.

The argument that such lying is permitted because someone else did it as well is childish.

Sam can justify his lying by saying that Koran allows believers to lie to promote their case, but it may be not a convincing proof for infidels.

Lying is bad, and repetitive lying that Sam did is even worse.

 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:01 am
Correction - that was a reference to a linked article: ICC urges Israel to give material for preliminary Gaza probe

The US would lose even more credibility if it allows a pro-settlements phrasing in a law, while officially criticising Israel for the construction of more (illegal) settlements ...

Thanks, Sam
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:11 am
Evelyn, my statement didn't express that I deny there are some-would be most unlikely if there were not ,indeed! -
I said, I cannot see them, where are they.
As for titles: it wouuld be helpful (and I've thought of suggesting this, were it not usually useless in F&S) if C2 would change their wording in the info box to"add A tiltle of the story..."-as opposed to "add THE title of.."
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:18 am
Not important, but just to add to the stats post above, it forgot to mention these are old, from 2007, only reposted in 2013. And who cares anyway about some GWB lauded clearly bias Polish jew expert's work on such ME subjects...no matter his credentials. No way knowing how reliable or true and the intention shows through.
 

pam w (139)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:20 am
Guess we should have a special section on the Care2 news network...

BASHING ISRAEL
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:24 am
lol-calling this "lying" and "fake" is more than childish and ridiculous, when everyone with 1 click-as supposed to do- can see! Fakes and lies are used for hiding stuff.!
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 8:28 am
That's not a bad idea, Pat! But it should be called 'EXPOSING', not bashing.
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 9:43 am
More smoke and mirrors - unwilling to address the subject, too busy trying to switch the topic.

@Sheyna et al:

"..…and they became exactly what they hated and feared once themselves."
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 9:49 am
Sorry, typo, meant Pam.
and for the sake of equal rights -we need TWO extra sections. A separate one for the Muslim bashing.
But predictably that would not stop the interchanging either.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 12:15 pm
Then Bidet would have nothing left to do!
 

Janet B (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 12:43 pm
Thanks
 

Stan B (123)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 1:36 pm
Good idea Sheyna, but that's not why they're here.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 1:37 pm
67 Years Of Continuous Nakba In The Holy Land Of Palestine
- - - Dr Salim Nazzal

When I was a kid, my father used to summon me on the 15th of May to tell me about the events of Nakba that I did not witness. Like all my generation, I paid the price of the Nakba that I did not live. I inherit it from my family so to speak. I remember how my parents were sentimental while remembering its events. At school, our teachers all witnessed the Nakba recalled its events. At that age, it was difficult to understand its implications on those who lived it.But we naturally felt it through many things. The hardest feeling of all this is the knowledge that we see everybody has a home expect us.

Like all Palestinians, I grew up with pain, bitterness, and anger about the unjust which took place in Palestine like these days in 1948.Like these days in May 1948,East European Jewish terrorists, did all sorts of atrocities, from murder to rape, to burning houses, and to expel Palestinians from their cities and villages.

Like all generation of Palestinian who lived the Nakba and who did not, we never understand the level of hypocrisy the west has reached. We know very well that the Zionist state get support by most of the western world. In other word, the most powerful western states stood against my small nation and wanted it to die.

The declaration of the death of Palestine and the birth of Israel is the worst nightmare that happened to my nation. A culture that lived thousands of years was brutaly destroyed.The holy land was covered of innocent Palestinian blood. Palestinians never stop asking the question why a Jew from Poland or Ukraine or Russia or the US has the right to live in our home country, and we denied that right. Why any Jew can live free in my home and my nation either under occupation or in exile?

My people did no wrong to anybody .They were engaged to plant and harvest their fields to feed their families. But they had to suffer almost a century because Europe wanted to solve the European Jewish problem outside Europe. And Palestinians had to pay the price.

Many Palestinians were not even aware of the Jewish history in Europe, this history which my nation has paid and still pays for it.

Zionist Jews need to know that not by any way Palestinians accept less than their rights. Yes, Zionist Jews are powerful now but things will change one day.

It will change for sure. My generation may be dead then, but I'm sure that a new generation of Palestinians will walk freely in Haifa and Yaffa, and all Palestine. And Zionism will be no more than a nightmare in the history of Palestine.

http://www.countercurrents.org/nazzal140515.htm
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 1:59 pm
Note for those accusing Sam of lying because he gave a title not identical to the site to which he linked:

Care2 advice concerning titles:
Choose the Right Title and Description - A clear and concise title will get the attention of News Network analysts. Briefly explain why the story is important. TYPING IN ALL CAPS and other deceptive gimmicks may get your submission noticed but will hurt your credibility.

CHOOSE THE RIGHT TITLE => the person posting chooses a title ......
It is NOT stated "copy and paste the title" ...

The URL specifies " Enter the correct URL" ... no free choice for this.

Sam's preference for punchy, catchy titles is NOT lying - the link takes one to the article.

There is NO rule concerning the image one may choose to post with an article. (Other than the general principles of copyright and avoiding obscene or pornographic images etc ....)

Bob frequently objects, uses the accusation of "lying", for such cases ... almost always in the contexts of articles that criticise Israel.
It doesn't seem to worry him when the same applies to various posts that are anti-Muslims (and which, in fact, often present articles as accusing Muslims where the actual article doesn't actually make such statements/ accusations!)
Two weights, two measures - anything to do with Israel is sacrosanct & any criticism of the policies & strategies of the State of Israel, or of Zionist politics is considered as Anti-Semitic, Jew-hating, Islamist ... even when there is positive mention on Jews who are not Zionist and are ill at ease with what Zionism is doing to the State of Israel ...... "Free speech" is only free if one iw willing to keep one's eyes closed when Judaism is betrayed by pro-Zionists .....

Which brings us back to these efforts to crush BDS when this movement is applied to the Occupied Territories, sometimes also to Israel .....

A non-violent expression of disapproval of official behaviour by the State of Israel ....

I fully support pacifist resistance, non-violent action to express disapproval ....... and when it hurts the pockets, it is effective. The day that Israel ends its oppression & occupation, I'll gladly end boycotting products. But I'm not going to use my resources in ways that help pay for IDF & crush the human rights of Palestinians. And while you may push through laws that prevent open promotion of BDS, you can never force us to BUY products of services that benefit the Occupation & oppression! There are Israeli Jews who continue to apply BDS principles .... even if they can no longer stand up and promote the movement without breaking the law.

If BDS didn't hurt, no laws would be being promoted to make such a movement illegal!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:39 pm
Evelyn, the rules you listed mean to apply to when you are submitting a story and a general web site. For the articles, Care2 instruction says "Enter the title of the story you're linking to".

I don't see how manipulating the article title and attaching a fake photo is not lying. I think it is.

And we do agree, than Sam does it deliberately to make his Dawah cause more appealing.

I support Israel, because I do not consider Arab claims on Israeli lands legitimate. Arabs already have 22 states, including another Palestinian Arab state of Jordan.

I do not consider a definition of Palestinian Refugee - limited to Arabs who lived in Israel between June 1946 and May 1948, and to their descendants for unlimited number of generations - as fair.

I do not consider having UNWRA - a UN agency dedicated exclusively to Arab refugees from Palestine and keeping them World Best Paid Refugees for the last 70 years as fair. There are many much more needy cases, and where are no grounds to give preferential treatment to Palestinian Arabs.

I don't understand, why Arab countries are relieved from responsibility to resolve problems they created by warring with Israel and all expenses must be paid by western taxpayers.

Evelyn, if you promote BDS so actively, tell Arabs from the West Bank stop coming to work in Israel. And tell Israel not to hire them. Because you basically want to use Palestinian Arabs as pawns in the Pan-Arab struggle against Israel.

This is why I often buy Israeli products, and replace Arab dates and figs with American ones.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:46 pm
The inclusion of "organ transplant" hardly enhances your propaganda in a positive way. . .
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 4:02 pm
Thanks a lot Evelyn, that WAS helpful in every respect!
I'm not sure if I ever even read that Care 2 "advice", - the word *CHOOSE* already says it all., they should use that for the box underneath where that title goes as well, to avoid misunderstandings.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 4:04 pm
I have read every comment on this thread. Israel is an island of democracy surrounded by Arab autocracies. The Arab countries are politically unstable whose economies are overly dependent on one commodity. We need alliances with those countries but more importantly we share with Israel the Judeo-Christian that this country was founded on. Obama is trying to walk the "edge' of Sunni and Shia rivalries that are structured as nation states. This is not possible unless US national interests form the guiding principle of foreign relations. Some may think that Obama's motivation is not the national interest but an ideaology of US disengagement as the global leader of democratic principles.

This has been a very difficult thread to absorb. There are many personal comments but somehow I believe many have not focused on the truth about the path we are being lead to believe.

I support Israel. As an American, I support our strongest ally in the middle east. Today the Saudis stepped out and basically stated that they do not trust the US because of Obama's outreach to Iran. I understand many of you want to focus on the Palestinian situation but the larger focus should be on the middle east .... the entire middle east. As long as the Palestinians are represented by a terrorist group, Hamas, supported by Iran, that is a situation that can only lift Iran and that is a situation that can destroy the Middle East.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 4:32 pm
The lady fancying toilet stools just listed a near perfect run down of reasons explaining how Ámericans are being held hostage by Israel. Making the money the government needs to maintain waging war .Congratulations !

As for the GCC, the only reason the Saudis were pissed, because they were denied receiving the same sophisticated military equipment from the US that is by contract reserved to only Israel. And they did not "step out".
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 4:44 pm
Saudi Arabia Is A Better Ally to Israel Than Obama
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 4:50 pm
I absolutely agree with your suggestion, Angelika - EXPOSING would be the right word. Another - maybe even more accurate - word could be ADMITTING. After all, everybody does/can/should know what is really going on in the Middle East, especially in the hot spot Israel and Occupied Territories, formerly known as Palestine. Having been fed fabricated myths, lies, distortion and re-written history must be exposed and should land where they belong ... in the garbage.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:09 pm

Excellent rebuttal addressing Bob’s claim, Evelyn! I specially love it when such comments are dotted with Arabic words which the user doesn’t understand – LOL! – as Bob loves to do!

What I always find kind of fascinating is that it's perfectly OK and sails under "Freedom of Speech and Expression" if they're all out bashing in the true sense of the word Islam and Muslims. If a German who happen to be also Muslim does something wrong (and it does NOT even matter anymore what he did wrong) then all of the ~ 2 Bio Muslims are fair game and can be called "backwards, savages, beasts, sub-humans" and demands to “nuke them all” fly around without objection. All of them in one basket. Top this undeniable fact with some décor in copy-pasting pages of the Qur'an, add some 20-plus Ahadith and for the heck of it a Fatwa or two. The first time I came across such behaviour was some 2 years ago when a female member of Care2 had to endure endless personal attacks in the worst possible manner for just stating that she’s Muslim (to make it worse she was a convert) and countering one of these common propaganda myths posted about Islam.

Nobody would ever think of stopping this or call it anti-Semitism. Those of us few on C2 who speak up against such generalizations are called "terrorist enablers, terrorist condoners, Jihadist supporters, Islamists" and whatever else is in the book.

Attempts to look inside an Arabic state and trying to discuss the political problems/situation turn immediately into another Islam bashing feast.

There's literally nothing too low not to stoop down to when it comes to having a go at Islam/Muslims. Gatestone Institute, Bare Naked Islam, Daniel Pipes et al. are known hate sites which are high in demand by some people on Care2. Especially Gatestone Institute loves to pick stories from around the word, preferably not in English, and produces them as "Muslim stories" irrespective of the often proven fact that the original article doesn't even address whether the perpetrators are Muslims or not. They even go to the extent of publishing stories from Norway about a woman who had an issue with the government (being handicapped and not being able to ride the bus) portraying it that the women got kicked off a bus by Muslims! Such is true bashing under the flag of “Freedom of Speech and Expression”.

Now for the life in me - never have I seen anything remotely similar in discussions here on Care2 when it concerns Israel/Jews. I’ve never read that Jews are called "backwards, savages, beasts, sub-humans" and demands to “nuke them all” simply because they’re adherent of Judaism. Or because they live in Israel the whole of Judaism is taken down the (linguistic) gutter.

But it is suggested that factual, well-founded and supported by evidence critic of polit-Israel is “Israel bashing”?!

There goes “Freedom of Speech and Expression” … Animal Farm anyone?!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:10 pm


Evelyn – spot on comment regarding the topic of this article: BDS.

“If BDS didn't hurt, no laws would be being promoted to make such a movement illegal!”

Israel went already ahead and made it a punishable offense if anyone calls for the boycott of settlement products (see my earlier comment).

Damn if you do – and damn if you don’t. If the Palestinians resist (in line with the Geneva Convention) the continuous land and aquifer stealing by Israel they’re called “terrorists” and killed, incarcerated for decades, taken into administrative detention for years without trials, deported to Gaza … you name it.

If the Palestinians resist inside the Occupied Territories in a non-violent way – like in Bil’in and other villages since over a decade – they’re met weekly with tear gas, rubber bullets, demolition orders and what have you.

If the Palestinians in the diaspora organize non-violent protests in form of BDS … then Israel runs to Uncle Sam and whines until Uncle Sam is coerced into trying to make such non-violent BDS actions a crime while at the same time exerting immense pressure on Europe to follow suit.

BUT – if one doesn’t agree with such bully and blackmail tactics one suddenly finds oneself to be an “Israel basher”.

Did I miss something?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:13 pm

Sam!!!!!!

What’s this "Dawah" cause which you indulge in according to Bob A. (see his posting of Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:39 pm)? Would you care to explain? Does this have anything to do with terrorism by any chance?

Would appreciate your prompt answer!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:20 pm

Diane - Palestinians are not represented by Hamas; Hamas is only in control of Gaza and on top of it had as a midwife Ariel Sharon in order to split the political Palestinian leadership. Sadly it was a successful attempt. So we shouldn't complain about the outcome ... if one plays with the matches ...

While I do respect your viewpoint you overlook the fact that the wider Middle East has already been destroyed by the United States and its ally/ies in a number of consecutive wars a.k.a. interventions - see Iraq, Lybia, Syria et al. As Condie Rice said there is a need to create a the constructive chaos ... their attempts were quite successful so far although a number of "projects" haven't worked out so well - see Egypt which still stands although wobbly.

But corrective actions are on their way I fear ...
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:50 pm
thanks Eleonora, for the more elaborate version of what I've been saying in few shorter comments.
As for the favorite "Dawah" word here, I had to look it up, no clue to the meaning. What it says, well, I'll be damned if Sam ever even remotely tried to invite any of us to make a call towards Allah! Or did so himself.
What a bunch of rubbish, but nothing new from that member... goes in line with his imagined difference between submitting a (news) story from a "general website" and a news article (from a general website!) LOL
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:51 pm
Eleonora, assuming that Sharon by leaving Gaza somehow duped all the Arabs in Gaza must be insulting for Gazans.

Arabs must learn to take responsibility for their mistakes. Time to grow up and to get weaned off UNWRA and our tax money.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:52 pm
Sorry Eleonora! That "Dawah" thing is still classified, and only Bob has access to it.

So in keeping with theme of this thread, we should look for a leaker.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 5:55 pm
Beware of those American dates and figs! No telling WHAT they contain! Looks suspicious to me, though.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 6:01 pm
How much of your tax dollar goes to UNRWA, and how much to Israel?

And not that there's anything wrong with it, but I had no idea you were dyslexic.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 6:04 pm
Those American dates could get you screwed really bad, Angelika!
 

. (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 6:23 pm
Unlike 'Israel', Palestine has never threatened the planet with nuclear annihilation.
 

Sandrea S (278)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 6:24 pm
Funeral bills??
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 6:34 pm
Excellent Sandrea! That is what they SHOULD be getting!
 

Debra G (0)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 10:45 pm
So you're looking for any reasonable Jews? I'm one. I don't like or feel represented by AIPAC - I'm more of a J-Street person. But I am totally offended by the hateful title of this article and accompanying image. And I'm disgusted by the name-calling. And disheartened by the lack of historical and political perspective regarding the Middle East. All of which is why I end up ignoring any article about Israel submitted by Carrie, Parsifal, Jess B, Angelika, Sam...

Why do we "still" reference the Holocaust? Why do Armenians, 100 years later, still refer to their genocide? Or Native Americans? Because - when more than half your population is wiped out, when your children can't create a family tree in school that goes back further than their great-grandparents, when people STILL ask if you have horns/are stingy/had a nose job to "pass"/killed Christ - you desperately want there to NEVER be another Holocaust. Tell that to the Cambodians and Rwandans. It's a question of scale.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 10:57 pm
Where is Bob A to call Debra a liar for claiming to ignore "any article about Israel submitted by Carrie, Parsifal, Jess B, Angelika, Sam..."?
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 11:13 pm
When all Palestinian children have left from their family tree is the trunk because Israel chopped off all the branches, you want those children to remember those who committed crimes against humanity and deprived them of their families, not only for their own sake but for the sake of every unchosen human being on the face of the earth.
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 11:43 pm
No Tax Dollars to Israel -

http://www.notaxdollarstoisrael.com/

(Hyper link appreciated, ty)
 

Colleen L (3)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 11:45 pm
Thanks Sam
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday May 14, 2015, 11:58 pm
Thanks Jess for this!

No Tax Dollars to Israel -

 http://www.notaxdollarstoisrael.com/
 

. (0)
Friday May 15, 2015, 1:55 am
Debra G. - Thursday May 14, 2015, 10:45 pm

"So you're looking for any reasonable Jews? I'm one."

In short, what you're telling us is, that between 1939 and 1945 people died, it does not matter how they died, or how many there were, all we need to know is, that because a few of them were Jews, we must therefore PAY JEWS FOREVER? Sounds reasonable to ME - anyone not agreeing with that MUST be an anti-Semite surely. . .

There you have it folks - the authentic voice of the reasonable Jew!
 

Stan B (123)
Friday May 15, 2015, 2:52 am
Earl. You owe 6,000,000 slaughtered Jews nothing. Why don't you come out of the closet and tell us what you really are.
I know, you know, and anyone reading the venom you post knows.
 

. (0)
Friday May 15, 2015, 3:03 am
"Venom"? Paranoia is a nasty thing Stanley - you should visit the same pscho surgery as your friend Bernard.
 

Stan B (123)
Friday May 15, 2015, 3:16 am
It's psycho Earl. You should know of all people.
 

. (0)
Friday May 15, 2015, 3:22 am
Excellent, well done - there's hope for you yet - now get along there now with all your wacko Zio friends asp before it's too late!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 15, 2015, 4:44 am
Eleonora, now who needs Bob when google does speak Arabic..you surely noticed my comment on that part..
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 15, 2015, 4:55 am

Hi Debra - I appreciate and respect your comment and your stand. I - and many others here - are rather JVP than J-Street people but that shouldn't set us apart ;-). On the contrary - as we have plenty of "Zionist Hasbaratchiks" in the true sense of the word who love to slander and insult everyone as you too have noted - it would be helpful to have another more or less objective supporter of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. I say "more or less" because no human being can be truly objective and neutral.

But it goes without saying that it is your prerogative to stay away from such discussions.

Where you lose me is in your sentence "... the hateful title of this article and accompanying image ...". The title might be not very diplomatic or "lady like" but it sure lacks IMO all the ingredients of being hateful. There is a big difference in being impolite and being hateful.

As we keep hearing when some oppose all these cartoons abound and all these true hate speeches calling for the total annihilation of Arabs/Muslims this cartoon (the toilet paper) as well as the title too sails under "Freedom of Speech and Expression". This is a right I uphold for ALL and we truly should not accept dictum to whom "Freedom of Speech and Expression" is given and to whom not.

As for the genocide and the "scale" thereof and you mentioning e.g. Rwanda. We read this about the genocide in the docs of UHRC:

“In the weeks after April 6, 1994, 800,000 men, women, and children perished in the Rwandan genocide, perhaps as many as three quarters of the Tutsi population. At the same time, thousands of Hutu were murdered because they opposed the killing campaign and the forces directing it.”

… and …

“In the weeks after April 6, 1994, 800,000 men, women, and children perished in the Rwandan genocide, perhaps as many as three quarters of the Tutsi population. At the same time, thousands of Hutu were murdered because they opposed the killing campaign and the forces directing it.”

… and …

“Policymakers in France, Belgium, and the United States and at the United Nations were aware of the preparations for massive slaughter and failed to take the steps needed to prevent it. Aware from the start that Tutsi were being targeted for elimination, the leading foreign actors refused to acknowledge the genocide. Not only did international leaders reject what was going on, but they also declined for weeks to use their political and moral authority to challenge the legitimacy of the genocidal government. They refused to declare that a government guilty of exterminating its citizens would never receive international assistance. They did nothing to silence the radio that televised calls for slaughter. Even after it had become indisputable that what was going on in Rwanda was a genocide, American officials had shunned the g-word, fearing that it would cause demands for intervention.”

If you extrapolate the numbers you find out that within the same time frame of the Nazi genocide on – among others – the Jews (Jan 1942 to ~ mid 1945 for ease of calc) a staggering number of 10,220,000 million Rwandans were/would have been killed. Is this a scale acceptable???? But never mind these hypothetical numbers; they just serve to clarify the underlying issue of which one is worse or the worst.

For however long these Genocides/Holocausts lasted here are the facts:

In the American Holocaust an approximate 100,000,000 Million (!!!!) of Native American were killed by the white invaders who had a whole continent to live on. The Americas were not enough – they also did the same with what is known today as Canada and Australia.

During the Armenian Holocaust an estimate of +/- 1,5 Mio people died over 8 years (1915 – 23).

During the Holodomor a conservative estimate of +/- 20 Mio died in one year (1931-32) !!!!

During the Nazi Holocaust +/- 6 Mio Jews and within the same time +/- 1,8 Mio Roma/Sinti died over 3 years and 4 months (Jan 1942 till ~ April 1945).

During the Rwandan Holocaust +/- 0,8 Mio died within 100 days (starting April 6, 1994).

Now … In America alone there are 48 Holocaust memorials and 2 virtual ones all dedicated to the memory of the Jews who died during the Nazi Holocaust. The Roma/Sinti – one third of the number of killed Jews – are omitted. How many Americans know the fact that 1,8 Mio Roma/Sinti died in the same genocide and in the very same manner? How many Handicapped, Catholics, Socialists and Communists who also died in the same manner? What’s your best guess?

How many memorials does America have dedicated to the much bigger Holodomor genocide? The Armenian genocide? The Rwandan genocide?

BUT if it is OK to keep mentioning all these genocides - and we must truly not forget them - why is it then not OK that the Palestinian commemorate their Nakba? Why is it OK that their historical connection to the land - their entire history as a matter of fact - is systematically destroyed and/or stolen by the Zionist invaders? To the extent that at times even records where Jewish Palestinians are mentioned get destroyed because it doesn't fit the Zionist narrative.

How much did all of the above – except the Jews – ever get in compensation? The “Jewish Holocaust Industry” is desecrating all the memories of those who died as it has turned into a never ending $$ machine– and NOT even for the survivors of this unspeakable atrocity - and serves as an excuse for everything today’s polit-Israel comes up with in atrocities towards non-Jewish Israelis.

No matter the history of ANY people or religion, it does NOT constitute a right for people from all over the world and with all kind of different nationalities and ethnic backgrounds - with a sole common denominator being the same religion they seemingly adhere to - to steal someone’s land and commit Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes with impunity.

No one has such right! NEVER AGAIN means truly never again. If “never again” is applied selectively then it’s just an empty phrase.

Stay safe!

PS If it is right what's happening in the (un)holy land ... then why was the case of Diego Garcia dismissed some years ago in front of the highest court of England? The Diego Garcians were denied the right to return to their homeland from which they were expelled and deported in 1976 (only 40 years and not 2,000 years ago!) by England in order to hand over a "problem (indigenous) free" island to America to establish the airbase. Why??

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 15, 2015, 5:31 am


Bob says: “I’m not buying your Dawah” (Wednesday May 13, 2015, 11:45 pm
Bob also says: “…Sam does it deliberately to make his Dawah cause more appealing.” (Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:39 pm)

“Dawah” linguistically means simply invitation.

In the religious context it means “inviting people to Islam”.

Bob – where did any of the two participants ever invite anybody to anything?

Bob, you also state that “Arabs already have 22 states, including another Palestinian Arab state of Jordan.”

You seemingly have a very good argument but by the same token … The USA has 51 States – why can’t the original owners of the land, the Native Americans, take 2 or 3?

Why did the Europeans – who had not just a few states but a whole continent to themselves – have to go and invade foreign continents, annihilate a big part of the Native owners of those lands and we today all have to commemorate and CELEBRATE “Columbus Day”? It is comparable to commemorate and celebrate “Hitler Day”. Why is the former OK but not the latter? And why was it not OK for Sadam Hussein to take BACK the 19th province of Iraq a.k.a. today as Kuwait? Where is the difference in all these events? I for one fail to see it.

Do I sense here some BIG double standard and self-serving hypocrisy wrapped in an ugly propaganda to lull gullible people's mind and which has nothing at all to do with

1) religion (DEFINITELY not),
2) foggy "right to the homeland" or
3) any of those recently created myths

but everything with geopolitics, hegemony, grabbing of resources, MIC, greed and power hunger?
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 15, 2015, 5:47 am
Thanks Eleonora for speaking up on our, at least MY behalf, that is!
Since Debra obviously never objected YOUR submissions on the issue of Israel, you are the only one here, or the most appropriate one, to respond to her, which you did, and did so with my 100% approval!
As also her comment shows-though otherwise nice, polite and apparently reasonable from her perspective, the sticking point is "the lack of historical and political perspective regarding the Middle East."
As is ALWAYS the sticking point, due to the DIFFERENT narratives of that very history.
Each has a right to defend THEIRS. But WITHOUT getting nasty, of course; and THAT IS where I see the biggest lack so far.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 15, 2015, 6:31 am

Thanks Angelika.

I intentionally didn't address "the lack of historical and political perspective regarding the Middle East" as we have hashed this over time and again. If one is truly interested then one can read umpteen good and accurate historical, economical, agricultural and ethnographical documents and books. Just stay away from those "documents" our Barbara/Sheyna et al. love to reference - LOL.

The UN has an excellent data bank too and so does PASSIA when it comes to geographical maps which can be double checked with other sources. It’s just … they don’t figure in the Hasbara Manual and by no means do I address here Debra!! Just to be clear on that.

It is very simple IMO: IF Palestine were truly THE one and only homeland possible for a people who is residing in all four corners of the world, with citizenship, local traditions and language, etc. ... why then was Patagonia, Mozambique, Uganda, Canada, etc. ever even an option to look at?! IF those people were chosen why can I then just convert and become one of them too inheriting the whole history and claims?

But leaving this nonsense aside too - IF all those proclaiming that their religion gives them the right because their G-d said so or rather promised them (as if He were a real estate broker) ... I or anyone else for that matter can write a book tomorrow claiming that "my G-d has promised me America" ... and the whole world must bow to MY scripture. Makes sense? Not to me.

For me it’s simple – everyone can believe in whatever … a tree, a cow, a man in the sky (though I’d prefer a woman), the fairy tale – but PLEASE don’t shove it down MY throat! And equally don’t shove it down the throat of ~ 7 Bio people who don’t believe in the holy Torah.

But even ... leaving all this aside too ... it is revealed that only when the Messiah comes shall all be assembled in the" Land of Israel". Where is the Messiah?

Seriously – nothing but really nothing and nobody can construe any right to kill, expel, steal, occupy or otherwise do wrong to other people based on some “holy” scripture written some xxx centuries ago. This is true for Jews, Christians and Muslims alike! We are in the 21st century, have signed to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in the aftermath of the horrors of WWII were some 50-60 Mio people died and are further away from adhering to them than we were at the time of our signatures!

As the Dalai Lama said so succinct: no religion is higher than the truth!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 15, 2015, 6:53 am
Eleonora,

Dawah is also spreading the Islamic point of view. Often, Arab apologists show double standards for Israel and Palestinian Arabs, many of which rely on Islamic rules (unity of Umma, demand for lands once governed by Islam to be returned to Islam, etc).

While USA has 51 state, internationally is has only one voice. So does China, with 22 provinces. So does India, etc. Having 22 States gives Arab Nations a huge leverage of manipulating International bodies, like UN. 80% or more of all UN resolutions discussing human right violations are devoted to Israel. Don't you see huge bias here?

What happens internally, how Indian bands manage their affairs is a different issue.

I think Native Indians got good deals with the government here and get a special treatment and have special rights. I don't know their affairs in US. I believe European civilization brought Indians some benefits.

I am not saying Saddam was right or wrong to invade Kuwait to reclaim a former Iraqi province. It depends if Kuwaiti people wanted to join back to Iraq, if Saddam wanted to protect some minorities or just was grabbing Kuwaiti oil, etc.

But I consider the support which Arabs from Palestine, residing in Kuwait, gave to Saddam to be a betrayal of their hosts. Kuwait let them in, 300,000 of theirs, and Palestinians had to be grateful for it.

Don't you see similarity that these are the same Arabs from Palestine, and their descendants, who betrayed their Jewish neighbors in Palestine and sided with the attacking Arab states in 1948? Has this tradition made them unwanted in other Arab states?

Both of us don't like double standards then.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 15, 2015, 6:53 am
We have, in fact, "hashed over" EVERYTHING here time and again.
I prefer keeping the spotlight on history rather than on other hasbara-inviting personal chatter and disputes.
This thread by now looks almost like a chatroom in a restroom/ toilet.- I'm out!

Whoever wishes to give my post on THIS DAY "some legs" may do so HERE
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 15, 2015, 3:18 pm

Oh Bob! Didn’t I suggest that you should go back to that person who told you the definition of “Dawah” and slap him/her in the face or kick his/her butt? I suggest you do just that.

No matter how you – or your “handlers” – twist and re-interpret or re-invent definitions in the Arabic language … “Dawah” simply can’t mean “Dawah is also spreading the Islamic point of view”.

I give you examples of the use of “Dawah” = invitation:

Dawah rasmeya = official invitation

Dawah khassa = private invitation

Dawah illa al Islam = invitation to Islam

But yes, as we have seen with Beth S./Gilian/Ge dotting one’s comment with Arabic words seems to be the going thing as it can be safely assumed that the absolute big majority of Care2 members don’t speak/understand Arabic. And … it looks soooo good, doesn’t it? Gives the impression that the writers knows it all – LOL!! What does it matter that the term is wrong?!

I hope you’re not upset if I don’t address the rest of your comment re Arab states attacking Israel, etc. as I’m not known to waste my time – unless I want to get a clearer picture. And the picture is very clear now, thank you ever so much!

Instead I suggest that you check out this posting in a discussion with Stephen of Sunday May 18, 2014, 2:08 pm: “In this context we should also not obliterate the fact that BEFORE the creation of the State of Israel the Zionists stole under “Plan Dalet” another portion of the territories allotted to the Palestinians; some 22% of it. See also the “The History of the Palmach” (HaSepher HaPalmach) which was released in portions in the 1950s (and in full in 1972) which details the efforts made to attack the Palestinian Arabs and secure more territory than alloted to the Jewish state by the UN Partition Plan (Kibbutz Menchad Archive, Palmach Archive, Efal, Israel).

If you have nothing anymore to read: sift at least once through the “HaSepher HaPalmach”. These are basically the memoires of the today’s IDF written by Jewish Israelis. I just point this out so you don’t think I’m leading you to some Arab sources as you despise them – LOL.

~*~*~*~

While talking to you I’d have a question: why did you delete this nice picture accompanying this comment by “Sheyna” from your comment board ;-)?
“May 7, 2015 5:42 PM
Sheyna P. (21)
Thank you for the request, Bob! You know my cousin on Care2, Barbara D. She asked me to tell you that Care2 suspended her so be careful what you say. Thanks again and I wish you a good weekend.”

Although it was for public consumption – or sheer stupidity on the side of the poster? – the picture of the horse was really nice.

Bob, why did you delete Sheyna's warning today, on the 15th of May? Anything special happened today? I hope it was nothing nasty ... LOL.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 15, 2015, 3:18 pm

Bob – I had to read this paragraph of your reply a number of times and still don’t believe it!!

“I think Native Indians got good deals with the government here and get a special treatment and have special rights. I don't know their affairs in US. I believe European civilization brought Indians some benefits.”

Yes, they got a great deal and beautiful benefits = 100 Millions slaughtered and the remaining fraction has the special right and benefit to a live in misery in the reservations without a glimmer of hope. Great … and exactly what Israel has cut out for the Palestinians.

May I ask how you’re wired to be able to make such a disgraceful statement void of any compassion for 100,000,000 Million slaughtered human beings? Why do you bother than about the 6 Mio Jews killed in Nazi Germany? They shouldn’t even enter your mind!

When you say “got good deals with the government here …” – where is “here”? You follow this up by saying “I don’t know their affairs in US.” I checked again your profile … you live in the States and I assume you’re American? How do I understand this comment of yours?

 

jan b (5)
Friday May 15, 2015, 5:01 pm
Why would the democracies of the world be against Israel ? THEY AREN"T .

Few players on the international scene are able to claim such a rich and ambiguous relationship as Israel and the European Union1 (EU). The EU is one of the prime commercial partners of Israel, along with the United States. The European Union and Israel boast of a lasting and ambiguous "special" relationship


It never occurred to you o stupid one--- that ISRAEL is a democracy with conservatives and liberals ? A DEMOCRACY.

The THEOCRACIES in the world are causing all the trouble.....suicide bombers, jihadists every century into this one---abuse of women, 911 attack---- ISIS ----Hamas----Helzbolah---Taliban ---Al Quidea ---.

 

. (0)
Friday May 15, 2015, 5:22 pm
Your inclusion of 9/11 hardly enhances your propaganda. The pariah entity grudgingly apologized for the USS Liberty while shamed into paying token compensation - how much longer before it does the same and PAYS FOR 9/11?!!!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday May 15, 2015, 6:01 pm
The fact that Israel is a democracy is as undeniable as the fact that Romans crucified Jesus!
 

Stan B (123)
Friday May 15, 2015, 7:29 pm
Looks as if the poison in your DNA is starting to ooze out, Sam.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 3:25 am

PLEASE sign and share widely - I signed commenting the following:

"I fought against Apartheid in South Africa and will not stop fighting Apartheid wherever it raises its ugly head - and this includes Israel! Please cancel your concert in solidarity for all the voiceless victims of Apartheid in Israel! Thank you profoundly."

~*~*~*~*~

BDS: Join Palestinian and Brazilian organisations in calling on Veloso and Gil to cancel their Israel concert.

Brazilian Tropicalia music stars Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil, whose music has aways been connected to struggles for freedom, justice and equality, are scheduled to perform in Tel Aviv. The concert is due in July, when Palestinians will be marking the anniversary of Israel's massacre on Gaza.

Ask Veloso and Gil to do as Lauryn Hill, Roger Waters and so many others have done and refuse to entertain Israeli apartheid and help Israel to whitewash its crimes

Read our latest BDS news roundup including: 20 South African businesses boycott security company over prison links, BDS campaign launched in Egypt, UK bank divests from Israeli arms company, French multinational Veolia sells nearly all Israeli businesses and Quebec union federation adopts BDS

 

. (0)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 4:12 am
"Thursday May 14, 2015, 3:02 am
Amazing what just one roll of toilet paper can cause ....looks like this thread needs a fresh roll now! ...........................................................................................................................................................................
WHY NOT LEAVE UP EVERYTHING CONCERNING LAW TO THE PROFESSIONALS.................................................................................................... who fortunately is finally engaged in this case and knows best about it! But not even that subject would be on topic to this posting, which is about how Israel and its lobby is dictating the policies of other nations."
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 1:42 pm
INakba App Finds Former Palestinian Towns in Israel.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3880596


How Israeli Law Turned Palestinians Into 'Infiltrators'.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/312733850/3869588


PETITION -

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stop-the-blank-check


Thirteen arrested as protesters tell Senators Menendez and Booker: ‘No more blank check for Israel’s crimes’.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/thirteen-protesters-senators
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 2:07 pm
It seems even bidets can have their gender reassigned and move from Montana to Illinois.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 2:10 pm
Ari, you’re such a dreamer! You really still hope to reform that thing?
 

. (0)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 2:31 pm
100,000,000 Native Americans were not slaughtered. Nobody knows how many Indians resided in the Americas when the Europeans arrived, estimates range wildly and can never really be known, maybe there were 18 million , maybe there were 80 million. At any rate up to 90% of them died as a result of exposure to at least a dozen different diseases brought over by Europeans to which the Indians had no resistance or immunity. These diseases likely advanced through the native population ahead of the immigrants and were an accidental introduction, though fortuitous for the new arrivals. Others died in the Indian wars, forced relocation, deliberate killings and destruction of food sources like the bison. So whites blessed them with horses and then cursed them with annihilation of the bison. At any rate, there was no slaughter of 100 million. Nor are any Natives confined to reservations to live out lives devoid of any glimmer of hope. They can leave the reservation, not all of which are poor by any means, at any time they wish to pursue the same dreams as anyone else. Reservation life is not an automatic recipe for doom and gloom.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 4:40 pm

Hi Donn - I leave it to my friend Dandelion (Native American) to properly answer to your posting if she sees any sense in doing so. Denial of the Jewish Holocaust and its aftermath is punishable by law in my country and I think in the US too - I don't know how it is with the Denial of the American Holocaust. When killing such enormous amounts of people semantics and hair splitting is not really the right thing to do.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 16, 2015, 9:18 pm
Eleonora, if you don't know much about aboriginals, why did you bring them in? Where did you get the number of 100,000,000 people killed?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:37 am

Bob – it seems at times to me that your selective reading gets the better of you. As I said in my answer above to Donn I let my dear friend Dandelion answer this question IF she feels that there is any merit in doing so. How this would establish that I don't know is beyond me ...

The one who brought up the Holocaust was your good friend Sheyna (whose warning you deleted on your comment board) and whose posting of Tuesday May 12, 2015, 1:19 pm further up has disappeared too. The one mentioning the American Holocaust was Debra further up. So maybe you should take up this issue (as to why this subject is injected here) with any one of them?

Alternatively – why don’t you do your own research? But as you’re a representative of those who committed this atrocity (in line with the Germans who are still held today responsible for the Jewish Holocaust) I don’t have much hope that you’d a) do it and b) if you do it … would admit the scale and the results of this biggest Holocaust in the human history.

 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 4:30 am
Probably just lamenting the loss of Bidet. May she rest in peace!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 5:49 am
That’s quite an admirable commitment on your part, Ari! Born again?
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 5:51 am
OOPS! Wrong religious reference!

I probably should have said reformed or something. Assuming that's possible, of course!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 6:39 am
AIPAC Wants Congress to Criminalize
BDS

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 11:12 am
Eleonora,

" But as you’re a representative of those who committed this atrocity (in line with the Germans who are still held today responsible for the Jewish Holocaust)" - I support help that Canadian government gives to Aboriginal people and help that German government gives to Holocaust survivors.

If you "invented" the number of 100,000,000 aboriginals, then admit so. If you didn't - please provide a reputable reference to prove it. But weaseling you way out with "Selective reading" BS is not nice.

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 11:18 am
Ari, Islamists no not stop personal attacks. They use such personal attacks as provocations, trying to insult you to make you reply offensively as well.

Should you post offensive replies to offensive comments, the whole Islamist team gets together and submits tens of complains on you on being rude and offensive. Subsequently, Care2 admin will ban you or suspend you from the site.

Don't you see what happened to Barbara? She got provoked, went personal and now she out.

Islamists and Arab Nationalists play this trick on many forums. Resembles using Human Shields by Palestinian Arabs, and it works well!

My advice: be polite to them and watch your language. "Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi". As a minority, we are on a "cattle" role here.
 

. (0)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 11:36 am
. . . and you're so terribly persecuted too aren't you, you poor wickedly downtrodden pathetic man.
It's just AWFUL, and there should be a law against it - really there should - there should be LOTS of laws against it!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:03 pm

Sorry Bob - but I'm really not in the mood for more games. I've taken you by the hand and provided you with a link to follow -the rest is up to you. I can't breastfeed you on top of it; at my "tender" age one doesn't do that with foreigners ... Stop complaining and do some work yourself, will you?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:09 pm

LOL - Earl! It's called projection in psychology - we have classical examples abound here on Care2.

Don't forget that the warning was for one hole week on Bob's profile:

“May 7, 2015 5:42 PM
Sheyna P. (21)
Thank you for the request, Bob! You know my cousin on Care2, Barbara D. She asked me to tell you that Care2 suspended her so be careful what you say. Thanks again and I wish you a good weekend.”

Unfortunately it got deleted by "magic". Must have been the "hand of God" like in Diego Maradona's case - LOL!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:13 pm

Ops - the "w" went missing in "whole" ...
 

. (0)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:16 pm
That's a real classic: " . . . my cousin . . Barbara D. . ." LOL!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:19 pm

Well Earl - I've asked in another thread if anyone knows how many cousins Barbara/Sheyna/dot/Ari/whoever has but so far the counting is not yet finished. I'll let you know once they're done with the math!!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:29 pm
Even with a fine animal such as an oat-fed horse, there’s very little you can do once you’ve taken it to the water.

Now do you expect better luck when you’re dealing with a lesser breed?
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:33 pm
But there are no foreigners on Care2. We're all family! You mean we championed the issue of breastfeeding in public for nothing?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 12:49 pm

Oh Sam - at times you're just tooooooo much - LOLOL. I've got to finish an answer I promised Bob and get sidetracked with email alerts. That way I'm never going to finish and then he'll be upset with me!!

Stars on their way!
 

Carol R (11)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 1:07 pm
Wow... I've been gone for the week-end and look what's been happening while I was away! Unbelievable! A million stars to Sam, Eleonora, Evelyn, Angelika, Earl, Nyack, Carrie, Janice, Parsifal and Jess for a most wonderful read of your comments, links, etc. and another million stars for your patience/humor in dealing with the resident hasbara.
So... let me get this straight: Barbara D.. morphed into Sheyna (with warnings to Bob) who morphed in Ari..... so Sheyna was suspended as well? Why am I not surprised by anything anymore?? LOL! Thanks!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 17, 2015, 9:32 pm
Wow, I see a total happiness here that a supporter of Israel for suspended, while Arab Nationalist and Islamist supporters are well and sound.

Will local Dawah Centers have parties with give-away candies, or this happens only when some of those dhimmies gets killed?

 

. (0)
Monday May 18, 2015, 5:49 am
What ARE you babbling about Bob? What LANGUAGE? If you could only speak ENGLISH it help!

If it's of any help you'll find the words in current usage here:

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Good luck.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday May 18, 2015, 7:26 am

Bob - may I re-post part of my answer to you in another thread where you claimed too that "when the Islamist lobby managed to convince Care 2 admin to suspend Barbara for her support of Israel". You know that your statement is a fallacy, don't you?

"Barbara/Sheyna/Ari/dot/Penny/and whatever else he/she calls herself – IOW a multiple account/profile holder
This person got not suspended (if that’s what it is) because he/she/it supports Israel and we all incl. yourself know this very well. Supporting whatever cause in a polite, respectful and intellectual honest manner will never get anyone suspended or banned – except maybe if one supports and/or promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

All one needs to do is read the obnoxious and agitating slurs and slanders (not to mention the insults in Yiddish); the endless lies and false accusations against other members which were proven to be just that and supported by solid evidence; the willful and utterly disrespectful distortion of the names of participants … he/she/it used to hurl at anyone who he/she/it didn’t approve of or who dared to oppose the endless hasbara he/she/it kept spreading. If one goes time and again against the clearly defined Terms of Conduct of Care2 – and has been told to tune down by Care2 on a number of occasions even publicly in fora – then your insinuations are rather unbefitting for a person who’d like to be respected as a discussion partner.

Such behaviour of this participant is not limited to the issue of Israel but as you too well know the same behaviour was observed concerning other (non-political) topics."

 

. (0)
Monday May 18, 2015, 6:03 pm
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 

. (0)
Monday May 18, 2015, 6:13 pm
Excuse me I'm sure masculine Ari.
 

Nikki Davey (16)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:13 am
So much hatred and such passion here. No one state in the Middle East is perfect. It is an area unlikely to ever finally be at peace.
If other countries perhaps only ever donated humanitarian aid, not hard cash which can be used for armaments, then maybe the situation for civilians could improve.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 6:11 am
You bring up a very good point, Nikki!

Check out where all that money goes RIGHT HERE!
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 7:02 am
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/13/nearly-50-aid-agencies-charge-international-community-failing-people-gaza

Nearly 50 Aid Agencies Charge International Community Failing People of Gaza

Just six months after donors from around the world pledged $3.5 billion towards the rebuilding of Gaza, following Israel's 51-day military assault last summer, only 26.8 percent of these funds have been disbursed, reconstruction has "barely begun," and the civilian population remains strangled by an economic and military siege.

The Association of International Development Agencies delivered this devastating indictment in a report released Monday, entitled Charting a New Course: Overcoming the Stalemate in Gaza (pdf).

Forty-six humanitarian organizations from across the globe signed onto the findings of the report, which was published six months after an October 2014 conference in Cairo At the conference, attended by representatives of over 60 countries and chaired by Norway, governments committed funds for Gaza's reconstruction and recovery following the devastating attacks.

Israel's ground invasion and air bombardments—termed "Operation Protective Edge"—killed an estimated 2,134 Palestinians, approximately 70 percent of whom were civilians. Seventy-one Israelis were also killed in the conflict, including five civilians.

Gaza's civilian infrastructure, furthermore, was decimated in the attack, which damaged over 160,000 homes, 20,000 meters of water pipelines, and 30 percent of agricultural lands. At least 14 health facilities and eight schools were completely destroyed, and Gaza's only power plant was targeted in the bombings, leading to ongoing electricity shortages.

In the face of this large-scale destruction, the international community has so far failed to deliver on its recovery promises, the report charges.

"The promising speeches at the donor conference have turned into empty words," said Winnie Byanyima, Executive Director of Oxfam, a signatory to the report. "There has been little rebuilding, no permanent ceasefire agreement and no plan to end the blockade. The international community is walking with eyes wide open into the next avoidable conflict, by upholding the status quo they themselves said must change."

And, even when funds do get in, reconstruction projects stall, or do not begin at all, because the blockade prevents materials from reaching Gaza.

"Most of the 81 health clinics and hospitals that were damaged still lack funds for reconstruction, but the few that have funds do not have the material needed to proceed," notes a report summary.

In addition, an estimated 100,000 people in Gaza are homeless, and not one of the 19,000 homes destroyed in the war has been rebuilt.

Furthermore, the report charges, there has been "no accountability to address violations of international law" and the international community has not posed a meaningful challenge to the siege itself.

As many have argued, international aid is a pittance as long as global super-powers like the United States throw their political and financial backing behind Israel's siege of Gaza, home to 1.8 million people and one of the most densely-populated places on earth.

The report urges, "The international community, in particular the (Middle East diplomatic) Quartet of the US, the EU, Russia and the UN, should propose a time-bound plan to support an end to the blockade."

Tony Laurance, CEO of MAP UK, another signatory to the report, declared, “The world is shutting its eyes and ears to the people of Gaza when they need it most. Reconstruction cannot happen without funds, but money alone will not be enough. With the blockade in place we are just reconstructing a life of misery, poverty and despair."
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 7:11 am
Your own source, Ari, confirms that no US military aid is given to the Palestinians.

This is what it says about the aim of US aid to the Palestinians:

• Preventing terrorism against Israel from Hamas and other militant organizations.
• Fostering stability, prosperity, and self-governance in the West Bank that inclines
Palestinians toward peaceful coexistence with Israel and a “two-state solution.”
• Meeting humanitarian needs.

So even when aid is given to the Palestinians, it’s given for the purpose of helping Israel.

One of the purposes of the aid is to help reach a “two-station solution.” We already know where Netanyahu and the Israeli government stand on that issue. As a matter of fact Israel and Netanyahu consistently work to undermine US interests and policies in that regard.

There’s no more ungrateful nation for the aid it receives from the US than Israel. You make it sound that Israel is doing us a favor by accepting our aid! What could be more arrogant than that?!

Our own domestic priorities are being ignored to send aid to Israel. Our own infrastructure is crumbling because we can’t fund so we can send aid to Israel.  People are dying because we
can’t even afford to install safety measures for our trains.Yet we can always find money to help ungrateful Israel. This is what our Congress does!!!

But one of those days we’re going to win our independence from Israel. And when that day comes—not only the US—but the WHOLE WORLD WILL BE BETTER FOR IT.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 7:33 am
I had already exited this toilet thread and didn't want to comment in this environment any more. BUT this last comment from Sam triggers at least my cheering to it! "better off" is a polite understatement, it'll be more like finally freed.
From that article one might assume that RethugLikud family members do not ride Amtrak, no wonder that the billionaire class isn't favoring 3rd world infrastructure!
Were it a bullet train, they would be quick to fund some new "bullets" I suppose.
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 7:39 am
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/15/footing-israels-bill/

April 15, 2015

Israel Won't Change Its Ways Until Washington Puts Military Aid on the Chopping Block

Footing Israel’s Bill
by CHRIS TOENSING
It’s tax season again. How about a little accounting?

Every year, Washington sends $3.1 billion of taxpayers’ hard-earned money to Israel. It’s only fair to ask what Americans are getting in return.

That seems especially appropriate now.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is busy badmouthing the tentative nuclear deal with Iran, a major diplomatic achievement for the United States. And a few weeks ago, he declared his opposition to a Palestinian state, a longstanding U.S. priority.

Bibi has tried hard to sabotage President Barack Obama’s efforts to head off another Middle East war. He didn’t just give a speech to Congress against the negotiations. According to a Wall Street Journal report, Israel also spied on the nuclear talks and spoon-fed bits of out-of-context innuendo to Obama’s GOP foes.

It’s not big news that friendly countries snoop on one another. The Obama administration is guilty of this practice, too. But using the intelligence to meddle in your ally’s domestic politics is beyond the pale.

Netanyahu’s subsequent campaign pledge to reject Palestinian statehood flew in the face of not only his previous (if grudging) acceptance of a two-state solution, but also decades of stated U.S. policy.

Don’t take my word for it.

When President George W. Bush signed off on Israel’s $3-billion-a-year aid package several years ago, State Department official Nicholas Burns called the funds “an investment in peace” and in “the creation of an independent Palestinian state.”

Obama now says it’s “hard to envision” how the United States can broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians if the stronger side — Israel — doesn’t want it. There have been intimations from the White House that Washington won’t automatically side with Israel at the UN Security Council any longer.

In response, Netanyahu tried to walk back his electioneering bluster.

But he’s still campaigning against the nuclear accord with Iran. And he looks likely to form a coalition government of right-wing parties that will thwart a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in word and deed.

Why?

Maybe it’s because in the same breath as its jabs at Netanyahu, the White House promises to keep dropping that $3-billion chunk of taxpayer change into Israel’s coffers.

Last year, that money constituted more than half of all U.S. military aid worldwide — and nearly a quarter of Israel’s arms budget. This boodle forms the core of the U.S.-Israeli “special relationship.” And as long as the White House considers it sacrosanct, Israel won’t take U.S. criticism seriously.

Want to see if Israel will halt the construction of Israeli settlers’ homes and shopping malls in occupied Palestinian land? Or stop its attempts to thwart the peace process with Iran? Put that military aid on the chopping block.

If Israel thumbs its nose, as it very well might, then at least Americans will no longer be footing the bill. It’s scandalous that we’ve kept this up for so long.

Chris Toensing is the editor of Middle East Report, published by the Middle East Research and Information Project (merip.org).


Excellent points Sam!
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 11:25 am
The ugly truth is 'masculine' Ari that not just America but planet Earth would be better off without 'Israel'!
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 11:26 am
You seem to be using "We" and "They" interchangeably, Ari! Is this the dual citizenship talking?
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 12:14 pm
Propaganda IS a wonderful thing isn't it Ari?
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 12:19 pm
Lying to my face!!!!!

"Our military will be a disaster. Our defense intelleligence [sic] will be almost non-existent. Our health care will drop to sub-acceptable levels." When you figure out the nominative case of "our," let me know to which supreme race it refers to.

"Be very careful what you wish for. Israel will be in a better situation without you, then you are without them."

I really miss Bidet! She could tell the difference between "then" and "than." And she wouldn't use words that reflect badly on her "intelleligence."

Let me know if there's anything we can do get her out of that Bidet museum.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:33 pm
"There you have it!!" - Caught lying again!
The comment Tuesday May 19, 2015, 12:06 pm with that long list of humanitarian aid appears to be some prepared hasbara text, copied at random from the Israeli MOF website, but either OMITTING dates/Years or REPLACING them with more recent ones (2014, when originally from 2009 or 2010!) How nasty !

For the original see > http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/humanitarian/pages
/israeli_humanitarian_lifeline_gaza_25-may-2010.aspx - compare with Ari's text!
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:36 pm
That's the old familiar recipe-take SOME truth, mix with lies-sell it to the undiscerning.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:04 pm
My Goodness. Thank God for Angelika. I had no idea Ari would consistently and intentionally lie like that!!!

But again how could he tell the truth, or why would he? But most importantly, why do we expect him to?

If a person is intent on telling the truth, how could he or she defend those who commit crimes against humanity?

Did you ever hear a criminal lawyer say, "Yes your honor, my client is guilty of all the crimes he's accused of"?
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:16 pm
I rest my case m'lud!
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:34 pm
At least Sam recognises the logic in that pattern, it's what they must do...until they get strangled in their own web of lies. That day WILL come!
In the meantime, perhaps present us with some 2015 numbers and stats of all the good the Israeli racist regime has been doing for Gazans LIVING after having done so much for their DYING?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 5:24 pm
Sam, Earl, Angelika - thanks a lot for the good laughter I had before packing it in and going to bed - LOL!

Green Stars are on their way and here are some more for you: ********************************************* but share it equally and don't start fighting over them ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 5:26 pm

“Ari” – another one of your unsubstantiated claims, eh?

“Monday May 18, 2015, 4:15 pm
Eleonora, you know exactly what happened......and it's not what you say in this comment.

There are plenty of people besides you who know the real truth. Own it! And own it that Care2 *lost* their accounts.”

As I just told just now in another thread:

“Ari” - Would I have anything to do with someone being banned or suspended as you so “subtly” insinuate I would be proudly stand by it and even post for your information any emails or complaints. As you know from the past I’ve often made open comments about the inactivity in this field by Care2. If you’d like I can provide ample evidence with links. Unfortunately I can’t claim any part in the obvious clean-up which was/is thankfully now undertaken by Care2.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 12:25 am
To be more precise Earl, the earth would be better off without the entire middle east and north Africa.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:48 am
I don't think there's anything remotely "precise" about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:26 pm

Donn - "To be more precise Earl, the earth would be better off without the entire middle east and north Africa."

In a way it's difficult to understand how a person with such a cute dog as avatar can make such a totally anti-Semitic and racist remark. What have all these people who live there - the Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheist and everything in between - done to you that you can make such a horrible statement? I don't understand.

 

Abo r (107)
Friday May 29, 2015, 8:11 am
STOP STOP STOP>
acomment written on :
Wednesday May 13, 2015, 2:30 pm
Parsifal, from what I read, blowjobs are completely un-Islamic.

For a compensation, Islam allows man different things: there is a fatwa permitting a man to eat your wife if he is really hungry and to have sex with the dead wife, if she passed away less than a couple of hours ago.
ARE YOU WRITTING A NEW BIBLE OR HOLY BOOK ???
STOP DEVIATING AND FALSIFYING AND CHANGING FACTS>
WHEN A WIFE DIES in this minute SHE IS NO MORE A WIFE TO HER HUSBAND BEFORE HER DEATH and must not even touch her , men must not have sex with any execpt the legal wife .
Eating a wife if he is hungry !!!! also this is not true too. ( Humans donot eat humans
from where you get that give AAYA in which Sora in KOran or which Haddith in Sona says your two untrue points
 

Virginia C (13)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 1:43 am
Anyone calling us an antisemite for speaking out must know that calling us that is simply a way for the "victim" Israel to shut us up---too late! The little dog has pulled the curtain open and we can see the little man with a big mouth. I am tired of Israel using American taxpayers as their piggy bank. The BDS movement is an age old American tradition---if anyone says {all the Israeli sites & jewish sites state that BDS is an attempt to kill all Jews & wipe Israel off the map, I don't think that's a bad idea at this point as the soldiers cut open the belly of Pal women and pull the unborn babies out and stab them in front of the still breathing mother and dad & bros & sis's---they even sell t-shirts in Israel with the pix of the baby still attached by the cord with a big hole in it's head with the saying, "1 BULLET, 2 KILLS} anyway, AMERICANS HAVE BEEN USING BDS SINCE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY, it has not started with Israel BUT it now has a very special PERSONAL MEANING TO ME!
 

Virginia C (13)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 3:03 am
Most Christians don't even know that the Torah says {and Jews BELIEVE} that Mary was a DRUNKEN WHORE AND JESUS WAS A BASTARD---google it all, most Jews laugh at Christians and think they are pretty stupid for believing such a lie in the first place---does your church tell you this as they send your tithes to Israel instead of feeding hungry Americans with that money?? Do they tell you that the Torah also APPROVES OF PEDOPHILIA FOR JEWS? That's why no one does anything about all the Jewish boy babies who get herpes {and some die as well} from the RABBI'S SUCKING THEIR PENIS'S AFTER THEY CIRCUMCISE them? They are not even allowed to go to an outside doctor or the police after the baby starts getting sick/dies and some Jews have been so abused after reporting the rabbi's molesting their kids that they are thrown out of the Jewish communities. One of OJ Simpson's famous lawyers is currently defending and supporting a rabbi who put a family thru hell for reporting his molesting several boys in their closed New York Jewish community.

If you really want to know why our police are suddenly so out of control and killing so many Americans just google IDF {Israeli police} training American police, they don't think twice about killing little kids in Pal and we are no different than the Pals to the Israeli's. Israel IS really taking over the world, they are deeply entrenched in the gov'ts of Canada and Mexico, Bibi recently called all American Jews "home" can it be that he is planning an action in America or against America? Israeli's are suing a food co op in Wa. state for boycotting Israeli made products....they are standing in HONOR OF RACHEL CORRIE---if you don't know her story PLEASE LOOK HER UP!
Several Israeli gov't officials have said {on YouTube} that all non Jew Americans will be killed and that we are here simply to serve the Jews. Ask yourself why they get $3.5 BILLION in AMERICAN WELFARE a year and AMERICA BORROWS THE MONEY TO GIVE TO THEM & WE PAY INTEREST ON THAT MONEY PLUS MANY MORE BILLIONS in military and other aid PLUS money to ISRAEL HIDDEN IN EVERY BILL CONGRESS PASSES---WHY WHEN AMERICAN KIDS GO TO BED HUNGRY & ISRAEL IS ONE OF THE RICHEST NATIONS ON EARTH??? Why do we build Iron Dome & refresh the bombs they use with our money when AMERICA HAS NO SUCH SYSTEM TO PROTECT OURSELVES??
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+did+israeli+section+911+cost+american+taxpayers%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Why are we building them a HUGE BUNKER http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/11/29/u-s-army-building-mysterious-100-million-911-nuclear-bunker-project-in-israel/ when Americans are hurting? When is the last time they came to our aid after a natural disaster? Where are THE ISRAELI monuments honoring our WW2 VETS WHO DIED TO LIBERATE THEM? AND, YES, THEY DID KNOW THEY WERE LIBERATING THE JEWS FROM THE OVENS. Let's HONOR & SUPPORT OUR NATIVE AMERICANS WHO ARE STILL HAVING THEIR LAND, NATURAL RESOURCES AND WATER STOLEN ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY. Vote out all pol's who support Israel NOW!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 3:17 am
WOW Virginia, you sure aren't mincing words here! Welcome to the club. But guess what, most here already knew all this, most of it at least.
Yes, vote them out ASAP. And do stay safe!
 

Virginia C (13)
Friday June 5, 2015, 2:00 am
Thank you Angelika, I have been warning of all these things for the last 40 years and my friend from Germany used to just freak out if I said anything about Israel lol. Now she knows I was on target for all the things I have dreamed about. My bf knows as well now. Most of us in AmeriKKKa feel it is too late for our country or even our continent, Bibi will be here soon and by his side will be most stupid Christian churches who have enriched Israel to the tune of billions of extra dollars every month while milking their flock like a cheese factory. Then they and the American pols will crawl into that bunker the US taxpayers are paying for and then....I HOPE BIBI POURS CEMENT ALL OVER THE OPENINGS! ROFLMAO

The truth is that Israeli's were supposed to pay tithes as a punishment for not believing in Jesus, tithes were NOT for the rest....fleece the flock. Look up Billy Graham on YouTube, lots of him cussing the Jews for taking over the US! Now his son is talking a good line for Jews but I wonder the truth. Also look up the latest on Hagee---wow, what a nutcase!

According to all I have read that once Israel calls their people home from all over the world, as Bibi has done recently then the true end will start and I honestly believe with all my heart he is prepared to start bombing AmeriKKKa. Did this all start b/c Israel threatened the US with a nuke all those years ago? Israel is now in control of the entire continent of North America...Canada & Mexico as well, complete control of the US.

I must go to bed for now and I hate it since the convo is right up my alley lol! I wanted to bring up a fact that is off topic but....I MUST! I have been trying to find out exactly how much the halal food bank scandal is costing local taxpayers and I went researching different sites just about everything I came across had pix of Muslims and how they are costing the food banks by DEMANDING THEY HAVE THEIR HALAL MEAT!!! It seriously pissed me off cuz the NY Jews have demanded this and the Muslims just happened to be caught up in this net. {I think the pols involved deliberately added them to deflect the blame off the Jews} I am just sick of the constant misinformation campaign involving the Jews/Zionists and the general FUQING of AMERICAN TAXPAYERS WITHOUT ANY KY!

Another good site: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/30/israel-and-the-humiliation-of-america/
niters all!

Oh, forgot, hi Eleonora O., sorry it's been so long but been fighting the lupus/MS demons...slowly trying to come back.
 
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