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This Is Why Israelis Want the World to Stop Supporting Israel


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Sam
- 1318 days ago - aljazeera.com
Israeli members of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement and Israeli pro-Palestinian activists explain their positions.



   

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Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 5:31 am
Sam lied again here about both the photo and the title of the article to stir up anti-Israeli feelings.

Considering that he had to do it with Al-Jazeera article, you can see the level of extremism and intolerance that he is on.

NO to another Arab Boycott Campaign.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 5:37 am
Is this Livonia's nitwit again?
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Monday June 8, 2015, 6:07 am
Interesting article.
Noted. Thank you Sam.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 7:04 am
Israel is an embarrassment to the sensible rational Jewish living around the globe--i hear it from my Jewish friends+co-workers all the time. Interesting view points. That Yahoo is such a problem. thanks Sam
 

Kathleen Mireault (211)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:18 am
Shared and noted. Very interesting article. Thanks for posting, Sam!
 

Carol R (11)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:11 am
Thanks Sam.

Bob, you're doing your hypocritical accusations again, against Sam. You let Penny get away with posting pictures that don't come with articles she posts but criticise Sam for it. When I get home from work I'm going to give the new example. You are uncredible and the worst kind of trolling hypocrite.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:17 am
Why am I not surprised at the first comment?

The topic is BDS - the image, the BDS logo - where is the lie?

The article covers interviews with 7 Israelis .... and that is stirring up anti-Israeli feeling?

Thank you Sam - I will be sharing.
It is always good to remind people that not all Israelis are hawks;

It is always good to remind people that not all Israelis hate Muslims and Palestinians.

It is always good to remind people that Israelis of conscience can, and do, work with Palestinians on human rights issues.

And I must express my admiration for these Israeli Jews who have the courage (and it demands considerable courage) to speak out - for such criticism is not really tolerated by those who want to remain blind to human rights abuses taking place.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:50 am
A lot of very moving stories and testimonies there from these brave people, all of them need to be applauded! Hard to single out any one as outstanding as all speak from their conscience to the same unifying cause, thats justice and human rights.
If I had to I'd probably choose the founder of Zochrot. And that's not (only) for that INakba add I have posted about earlier but, for the very sake of that name, "remembering". Every child, student and soul on earth is taught to remember the Holocaust but, how many ever learn about the Nakba? Most Israelis don't, like he says, and nobody taugth ME in school about it either!

Thanks Sam!
 

fly bird (26)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:57 pm
Bob A is obnoxious - accusing all, he disagrees with, liars.

Get yourself a microphone, and call it on the rooftops, for all I care, Palestine will be free!

The Israeli apartheid regime is disgusting. Israel is no democracy. Thieving thugs, from the start.
BDS, YES!! Israel, OUT OF Palestine.!
Thanks, Sam.
 

fly bird (26)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:59 pm
"Is this Livonia's nitwit again? "

Just the same old wolves in sheep's clothing...
 

Lona G (66)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:04 pm
Seven Israelis from all walks of life, men and women, of different ages and with different experiences, but each of them very brave, speaking out in a country that no longer allows voicing an opinion that is contrary to that of the government, each of them convinced that Israel's politics are terribly wrong and that BDS is the only thing that could create a change for the better.
Kudos to all of them and thank you for posting, Sam. It is so good to see that there are rational thinking but empathic feeling people in Israel who do not believe that all Palestinians are terrorists and monsters but see that as a people they have been wronged too.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:31 pm
Is Jordan included in the boycott? Because it was Jordan who occupied the West Bank in 1948 and annexed it - from the Palestinians - in 1950.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:40 pm
What the boycott means in practice is Palestinian workers being made redundant and they and their families ending up in destitution.
Take unemployment and poverty, supplement hopelessness and hatred, and you have the ideal breeding ground for terrorism.

On the contrary, what is needed is investment to CREATE jobs and economic prosperity. This would lead on to a more moderate political stance, which in turn would create the opportunity for a peace settlement and an independent Palestinian state.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:43 pm
Jordan surrendered all claims to sovereignty over the West Bank to the Palestinians with the aim of helping the Palestinian people establish their own independent state.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:44 pm
Too bad the BLIND don't see that ending the occupation as the ONLY solution!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:46 pm
Care about the welfare of the Palestinians? STOP #@$% KILLING them!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:55 pm
If the BDS movement is that bad for the Palestinian's, why is Netanyahu so upset about it?
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:58 pm
Must be that Netanyahu is concerned that the BDS movement may not be as kind to the Palestinians as the plans he has in store for them. God bless his soul!
 

Justin Vale (13)
Monday June 8, 2015, 2:15 pm
who cares? i'm worried about isis and the support they get. israel is a zionist creation. it's very existence is anti-their scriptures. it's a zionist creation so does with non-zionist ideals will never get very far there. it's like trying to grow something in a petri dish filled with stuff that tries to stop it from growing. but about isis is seems to me like this is their m.o.. the ISIS way:
1) retreat from a major city in Iraq.
2) Let the opponent take the city
3) allow the US to resupply your opponent and fortify his place.
4) when the city is eventually filled with the needed weapons/heavy weapons/ammo/vehicles then you can take the city back. .
5) ka-ching
 

Freya H (345)
Monday June 8, 2015, 2:25 pm
When Jews and even Israelis turn their backs on Israel's government, that is telling. Very telling. More and more people are realizing that Israel is not a sacred cow - or remembering Abbie Hoffman's famous observation in re sacred kine. Israel's leaders appear to have lost nearly all, if not all, touch with reality.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 8, 2015, 2:32 pm
Sam ************************************************** !

John de A claims to be neutral and to want peace - but the more he participates, the more it is clear that his idea of negociation is similar to that of George Bush Snr pre the first Gulf War -"Do as I say and we can agree"

Absolutely no space for developing understanding and a foundation of mutual respect (risk taking, yes ... but the only way of building a sustainable peace.

And the phraseology comes back rapidly to Hasbara handbook guidelines ....
BOW DOWN AND SUBMIT
IT'S THE ARABS WHO ARE ENTIRELY AT FAULT

And concerning BDS - "It's the Palestinians that suffer"
Forgetting that the Palestinians suffer every day and every night, never knowing when there'll be a raid, a settler's bullet, and IDF sniper ... And the Palestinians IN PALESTINE launched the original call for BDS - as a non-violent form of resistance. Knowing the cost - but wanting to resist without violence.

As you say, Sam - BN obviously doesn't see BDS as ineffective - otherwise why have he & his supporters started trying to make BDS illegal, classified as racism so that people can be punished for supporting the movement?????
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:40 pm
Evelyn, I'm sorry to say this, but you are a total fraud.

Your 'humanity' seems decidedly one-sided. Even then, what you stand for serves only to perpetuate the cycle of mistrust, violence and bloodshed.
With your sort of thinking, they'll still be fighting and killing each other a thousand years from now.

'Bow down', 'submit', 'Arabs entirely at fault'? - I think you must have fallen and cracked your head.

 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:44 pm
Sam: Easy for the Jordanians to renounce sovereignty on the West Bank in 1988 when they lost control of it in 1967! It means nothing.
If they hadn't occupied and annexed the West Bank in 1948/1950 there would still have been an independent Palestine.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:46 pm
I think the Livonia nitwit is a lot more honest than the Glastonbury nitwit. At least that one doesn't try to hide what's in his heart like this snake.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:50 pm
Sam: Care about the welfare of the Palestinians? Then stop stirring up hate that triggers the violence that harms them, keeps them destitute and makes peace impossible.

The way to peace is through the ways of peace. (And it takes two to make a peace.)
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:51 pm
First I thought you meant she withheld sex, but the I read about the six children! Regards to your friend, Ros.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:01 pm
Agreed, Sam!

Ros - I suspect that there are many more Jews (Israeli & non-Israeli) who agree with such attitudes as these, but with the kinds of personal attacks and treatment that get meted out to those who speak out in disagreement, they are discouraged. They find genuine anti-Semitism hard enough to live with, without also putting themselves out where they ALSO are treated the same way by their fellow Jews.

But the time will come where enough decide "NO MORE", and speak out. And then it will be possible to find a level ground where two semitic peoples with roots in a same land will be able to "walk a way in each others' shoes" and seek a liveable compromise.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:54 pm
Carol, as I explained you already once: I report Sam's lies whenever I see them. You can do the same about anyone else. I don't see you protesting Sam's lies here.

Evelyn: "It is always good to remind people that not all Israelis hate Muslims and Palestinians. " It would be nice if that article said that a lot or Muslim Arabs hate Israel and want it destroyed. And this is why Israel needs a string army.

Sam :"Jordan surrendered all claims to sovereignty over the West Bank to the Palestinians with the aim of helping the Palestinian people establish their own independent state. " - How generous for Jordan to give all claims AFTER Jordan attacked Israel and lost West Bank to Israel, and not BEFORE.

How come West Bank never wanted another Arab state there when Jordan had the West Bank?

Freya, "When Jews and even Israelis turn their backs on Israel's government, that is telling. " The only thing it is telling is that Israel is a democracy. You can live in Israel, call for boycotting your own country, and not be afraid of flogging or jailed. This is not the same as Hamas executing people protesting it on the spot.

As for the Arab boycott itself... Due to that hateful movement, I decided to respond in kind and for many years am buying US or Israeli dates, and US figs. Dates are much better, even though a little bit more expensive.

But at least I know that my money did not go do those who come to North American to kill people and to blow up buildings out of cheer hate.

I am standing with Israel, Jess, not with 22-23 Arab countries.

And I don't think Arabs are entitled to ALL lands of the Middle East, other nations have this right too, besides Jews. And personally, I don't see anything good coming from a creation of 23rd Arab state in West Bank and Gaza, because this state will be as militant and extremist, as you are, and unable to be feasible like other Arab states.

I support the regional peace conference, where parts of the West Bank will be returned to Jordanian rule, Gaza to Egyptian rule and the peace between Arabs and Jews will come automatically. It is much more realistic than accommodating any Arab clan in its desire to have its own state.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 1:27 am
Ros - it appears that NY is "regional" , and it isn't a "peace" conference, the current conference being " Jerusalem Post Conference in New York" - a conference covering only Israeli views, apparently - and mainly a platform for Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid to unveil his new "diplomatic" plan.

His position is not exactly a basis for discussion. he has already taken a position:
"“The maximum we can offer is less than the minimum they can accept,” he said."

He also comes out with a load of codswallop that doubtless we shall see being spouted by certain members here ...
"On the effort to prevent boycotts, divestment and sanctions of Israel, Lapid said it was “time to move from defense to offense” and expose the fact that the BDS movement is a puppet of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. He recommended going to college campuses abroad and telling BDS advocates that they are not supporting the oppressed but rather the people behind the September 11 attacks, who kill gays and abuse women. "

Needless to say, there are absolutely no grounds presented to support such statements - but the usual practice is to repeat so often that people believe that this must be so ... except those who start trying to check out facts & sources, and find that these do NOT confirm such statements!
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 1:55 am
Israel ups budget to fight BDS

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has allocated an additional NIS 100 million and ten government positions to the fight against BDS.


The Israeli news site ynet reports that Netanyahu held consultations about BDS this weekend with relevant government officials, as well as Minister Gilad Erdan, who is responsible for dealing with BDS in the framework of the Ministry of Strategic Affairs. They discussed ways to enhance coordination amongst the various government ministries involved in the fight against BDS, as well as increasing cooperation with Jewish organisations abroad.

Netanyahu agreed with Erdan that at least an additional NIS 100 million will be allocated to the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, almost all of it dedicated to the fight against BDS. He further allocated an additional ten staff positions in the ministry for this purpose.

Erdan told Ynet that the fight against BDS must take place on three levels: government offices, the intelligence community and the defence system.

In a message sent to an anti-BDS meeting being held this weekend in Las Vegas by “pro-Israel” activists, Netanyahu stated that “The Israeli government is committed to launching assertive and innovative programs and to joining you any many others around the world to combat the lies and slander that are leveled against us.”

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/845-israel-ups-budget-to-fight-bds
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 2:05 am
Interestingly, apparently the Sociology & Anthropology Department at Tel Aviv University held a discussion on BDS (primarily bit not only about academic boycott! See Haaretz: Tel Aviv U. Academics Hold First-Ever Discussion on BDS
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 3:03 am
Well, Ros - they do need their soldiers!! (They even accept those with criminal records ... see an article from today's news: Israeli Army Recruits Thousands of Soldiers With Criminal Records ... which might explain some of the violence seen perpetrated by IDF soldiers)
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 5:44 am
Divine intervention turned the Zionists' BS into BDS!
 

Justin Vale (13)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 6:19 am
you guys will never get it. you still live and breathe in an insulated world. all of you with your heads bowed in this ridiculous cult of your's. lift up your heads yo, isis is upon you. look to the horizon, the isis horsemen are coming. none of this matters. it's all non-applicable. nobody involved has the power to do anything, anywhere, anyway. lift up your heads yo. players are coming.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 6:46 am
the only reason you guys are even having this discussion is because bibi is not the evil you think he is. bibi is a child that hides and steals insignificant things. he is a child that history will and must condemn. right now half of islamic resistance from 2005 is dead. isis has killed them. hezbollah has minted new ones but the magic of the 2005 crew will never, ever be recovered. of the 1000 or so left half are around mosul and the other half is split between trafficking and fighting isis in syria. there are none left in lebanon. there are hezbollah fighters, but those are pieces of paper for the IDF. isis is as we speak taking town in northern lebanon. if the zionist panzer divisions move in israel will destroy 90 percent of hezbollah's missiles and rockets in a few days. in a couple of weeks there will be no rockets left. never again will a missile or rocket land in israel from lebanon. in the meantime islamic resistance will pull out of mosul to come help and when that happens isis will come out of mosul and attack the quds and the shia. they will wipe over 50 percent of the quds force off the face of the earth. why isn't it happening? it seems to me bibi cares more about silverware that doesn't belong to him than the life of israeli's. you guys are lucky a filthy traitor rules israel. or you would not be having the above discussion. but players are coming yo. just look towards all four horizons. they're coming.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 7:17 am
and i'm talking to both sides of the argument. because the fact that the so called pro-zionist side is giving them the time of day tells me they have no clue. these new generations of muslims and zionist are going to jack you guys up. you apparently don't see them coming, it's gonna be an ambush. just like isis is fundamentalism fused with clockwork orange, this neo-zionist is technocrat fused with clockwork orange. none of these thing you guys talk about and hold so dear aren't gonna matter. these guys are setting all new guidelines. wake up yo, i'm tired of begging you to.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 7:19 am
is that a double whatchamacallit i just did there? none and then aren't? what's that called?
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 8:40 am
For Bob A.: Different picture from the one on the article Penny posted, which even John De Avalon thought was inappropriate:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/683342450/3886549
Egypt's Blockade of Gaza

John De Avalon (35)
Sunday June 7, 2015, 2:39 pm
I must say, I'm not approving of the cartoon. That is not the picture used in the original article and it is somewhat derogatory, don't you think?

Why nothing from you Bob? Hypocrite who lets morals go out the window when it supports your "Zionist cause", yes?

Sorry for the diversion again Sam but I can't stand trolling hypocrites who just want to discredit someone with lies.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 9:09 am
Carol/Carrie,

There was something from me: http://www.care2.com/news/member/683342450/3886549. Now that you see my input, I want you to tell Sam that lying is bad. Otherwise you may look exactly like "trolling hypocrites" which you say you can't stand.

Or, a lie by a believer to infidel is NOT a lie, like the holy koran says?

Is it why you did not anything to Sam before for his lies, not to break the Ummah unity?

 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 9:41 am
It is Mr Algeron's turn to stop lying!
Does he even understand English to know what this means?? :"Upload a photo for this story if available"

There is no person on this thread named "Carol/Carrie" !
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 11:18 am
Right Bob, your comment on Penny's post was made AFTER my first comment here about your hypocrisy on Monday....yours on Penny's was made at 6:48am on Tuesday, today! And I suggest you reread Care2 rules on posting pictures with articles. I myself, as I've told you before, don't care if it's the original or not. It's you and your lying accusations about me and others who disagree with you I have a problem with.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 12:46 pm
Carol/Carrie,

My comment on Penny's was made on 6:48am on Tuesday, and your latest post accusing my in silence on this thread was made on 8:40am, which is two hours later.

Your double standards are obvious and ridiculous.

if you have no problems with Sam attaching fake photos, you can't ask me to protest anyone else doing it. I do or don't do what I see right.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 12:49 pm
t is Angelika R turn to stop being in denial about Islamists lying their teeth off!

"Does he even understand English to know what this means?? :"Upload a photo for this story if available" "???

Angelika, the photo for this story WAS and IS available, yet Sam steals and attached a fake cartoon to spread his Dawah around.

May be it's time for Angelika to learn more English instead.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 2:40 pm
"Upload **A ** photo for this story if available" .
Your blatant lie : "Care2 instructions tell users to use the original photo of the article."

 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 3:22 pm
Angie, it suits him to believe that this means a photo from within the story. He doesn't want to recognise that we are even given freedom in the title we use for the post .... only the URL has to be "correct". We are encouraged to use a clear and concise title ... not "copy the title of the article" ....

"Choose the Right Title and Description - A clear and concise title will get the attention of News Network analysts. Briefly explain why the story is important. TYPING IN ALL CAPS and other deceptive gimmicks may get your submission noticed but will hurt your credibility. "

And if we can summarise the title - a much more important concern - choosing a "right image" to illustrate the topic is also a free choice.

I've asked Care2 Support to advise if we have been misinterpreting these rules for all these years. Since Care2 has neither corrected those systematically changing the titles (Sam, for example) nor those choosing related images rather than ones drawn from within articles .... I take their silence as confirmation that our interpretation is correct.

Bob, of course, sticks to his version - basically, for articles critical of Israel or anti-Islamophobia ... although after being accused of bias (in another thread, prior to the comment in this thread) because he didn't do the same to his friends, he went and did a mild reprimand of Penny for a well-selected cartoon that illustrated an article she posted. Just as inappropriate a comment there as here .... although he didn't use the same vocabulary, didn't accuse her of "lying" ... just instructed her on the rules - as he understands them ...
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 4:01 pm
2nd blatant lie: Carol is Carrie and follows the Koran .... thanks anyway Angie. Impossible to deal with irrational thought processes. ************
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 4:05 pm
Thanks to Evelyn as well.... I posted before I saw your reply. ****************
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 4:20 pm
No problem, Carol!

I guess when many of one's friends have split profiles, one can easily fall into assumptions that one's non-friends play the same musical chairs ...

Although I don't know how they do it without getting confused! (Come to think of it .. maybe they don't, because that's how they tend to show themselves up - repeating statements used under another profile!)
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 4:46 pm
Evelyn, I know you've explained this to him at length before , it's useless.
Btw-regarding changing articles, ok so C2 has remained silent upon your quest, but I ''ve heard that in the past, that's years ago, a submission was removed for just that, for breach of copyright.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 4:53 pm
oop, not changing 'articles', headlines..guess you knew what I meant anyway
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 11:30 pm
I agree with you, Ros

It is not always easy to follow the core message with Justin's comments, but when one can figure it out, there's usually something worth thinking about, hidden within a very individualistic way of expression. Very real concern, with a broad perspective but demanding concentration to winkle out what is the real message (front through a wall of frustration that we don't seem to grasp the big picture that he's worried about.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 11, 2015, 1:14 pm

It’s just great listening to these testimonies, thanks Sam!

Lots of good comments here – thanks to Lona, Evelyn, Angelika, Jess, Carol and naturally Sam! Run out of Green Stars for you guys *****************************

Israel shows time and again how concerned it is about the wellbeing of its Palestinian citizens – well said Sam!!

About as much as Israel shows its concern for the wellbeing of the Israelis – especially those Israeli Arabs:

Israeli colonialism, plain and simple

Supreme Court allows state to replace Bedouin village with Jewish one

We here just don’t understand the way polit-Israel is expressing its deep seated hate … ops … meant to say: concern and love.

Where is the outrage by the world politicians?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 11, 2015, 1:23 pm

Bob - you're outdoing yourself: "And I don't think Arabs are entitled to ALL lands of the Middle East, other nations have this right too, besides Jews."

Other nations? Besides Jews? Who else would you like to settle in Israel/Palestine? Chinese maybe? Do you really believe that the Zionists would accept your concept of generously distributing what they consider all of their land? Remember that nothing else but Israel should exist between the Med and the river Jordan (your friends from the Likud said).

"And I don't think Arabs are entitled to ALL lands of the Middle East ...". Hhmmmm - you have a point ... by the same token I don't think that Americans are entitled to ALL lands of America ... what do you suggest? Or European to all lands of Europe ... or the Africans to all lands of Africa

Let's move the people, Bob, shall we? Are you going to organize the trucks or would you like to do it the way Hitler did it ... by train?!?! After all you're advocating ethnic cleansing here so we as well burn those undesired ones in the ovens, non?!?!

I have a feeling that the "little white Dawah Ghost" is bothering your brain again ... you should really and seriously do something about it, Bob!
 
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