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Jerusalem Is NOT the Capital of Israel


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Sam
- 1379 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Being born in Jerusalem doesnâEUR(TM)t mean youâEUR(TM)re born in Israel.



   

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Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 8:50 am
Unlike Congress, the Supreme Court still recognizes that it’s part of the US government.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 9:03 am
Is the US Supreme Court the NEWEST SUPPORTER of BDS?
 

Kathleen M (210)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:01 am
Shared and noted. Thank you, Sam!
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:09 am
That is great news, thanks Sam!
For once they did the right thing, amazing! Shame on Justice Roberts who has yet to learn that two wrongs won't make one right! And surely Congress has rarely made right decisions, except on behalf of Israel, among others that it favors.
Incredible that this had to take 12 long years!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:11 am
With Obama and all Muslims Brotherhood in the WH, of course the Arab lobby was able to push this one through.

You must be very happy with Obama, Sam.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:13 am
You didn't have to lie here about the real title of the article: "Court strikes down 'born in Jerusalem' passport law" or to attach a fake picture.


 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:31 am
The Livonia nitwit noted the story by mistake!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:34 am
The victory is very meaningful, especially that three Jewish Justices chose to uphold the Constitution. Loyalty is to the country, NOT to Netanyahu--something the Congress is yet to learn!
 

Carol R (11)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:59 am
Thanks Sam!
 

Justin Vale (13)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:14 am
jerusalem is the capital of the jewish nation. and it will remain so. in a generation or two there will be millions of muslim in the Holy city but none will be palestinian. forget all your dreams yo. move on. hamas is doomed. the widows are in gaza. all things hamas will soon go kaboom. he has to give them something to do. he pulled them out of nigeria and he has no use for them until the move on baghdad. look what happened to the emir for not keeping them busy. all of his closet guys got blown to smithereens and he almost lost his life too. hamas will fall more because of a problem of human resources and work schedules than for any other reason. kinda of a female dog isn't it? i'm loving it. all things hamas will soon go kaboom.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:25 am
remember, the widows want him to move on russia. but he's not ready for that. he has to keep them busy.the saliheen brigade of martyrs is in the house. and that's really a misnomer. the name Shahidka is much more terrifying. those are the main players in gaza now. every single hamas militant has them and only them on their minds now.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 8, 2015, 11:32 am
I'm glad to see it is still the US of A over there!!! Not USI ....

The lad should settle for "Born in Jerusalem" .... Same as others born in Jerusalem. After all, he probably has an Israeli Passport as well as a US passport,

Thanks, Sam
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:12 pm
I guess it all depends on where he was born. There's a good chance his new passport will say "Born in Palestine."
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:18 pm
Those three might be well advised to hightened caution now...some nasty protest notes from the ill-mannered one may not be the only response to the ruling..
 

Lona G (66)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:37 pm
While the Republican five of SCOTUS have no trouble rewriting the law to suit the American Right Wing, apparently two of these five draw the line at rewriting it to suit a foreign Right Wing even if that Right Wing is Israel. A real breakthrough for this SCOTUS, it must have been strange for them just to see if the law is applied correctly and actually revoke a law if it turns out not to be so.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:45 pm
Angelika and Lona,

I’d very much worry about the safety of Daniel Fischer, Gregory Williams, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan.If the treatment of the first two is any indication, the rest should also fear for their lives.

All five should be offered adequate security to protect them from any ungodly plans the Zionists may have in store for them.

Hopefully, none of them would be rewarded the way Yitzhak Rabin was.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:49 pm
If I understand it all correctly, that also means that Congress broke the law with that 2002 bill, so where's a lawsuit against Congress? And while they're at it, SCOTUS should take a close look at the new laws snuck in like those in trade bills. Isn't that Foreign Policy as well ? I wish someone would file a suit against those provisions, I am not convinced that they are endorsed by the president as his declared and desired foreign policy.?
 

fly bird (26)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:53 pm
Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Thanks, Sam.
Palestine, will be free!
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 12:53 pm
Sam, those were exactly my thought behind my comment!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:04 pm
Jerusalem currently belongs to no one. It's an international city period. thx Sam
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 8, 2015, 1:10 pm
Has anyone heard already of some official Israeli statement on this ruling? Aside from the Immigration Minister Elkin who felt the need to lecture the US administration that they should accept the "simple fact that Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish state and will remain that for eternity."
I wonder if Nutyahoo will challenge the SCOTUS :-)) This may really represent a pivot in the ME drama negotiations...
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:16 pm
It's unofficial, but they're shitting a BRICK!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 4:23 pm
Now there are at least two courts Netanyahu doesn't approve of: The Supreme Court of the United States and the ICC!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 8, 2015, 5:32 pm
I wonder if the Zivotofskies are now considered traitors in Israel, for had they not brought the case to the Supreme Court, the status of Jerusalem would have remained ambiguous. Now the Court has removed all such ambiguity.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Monday June 8, 2015, 10:26 pm
Thanks Sam
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 12:01 am
Jerusalem not part of Israel?

So ... which country's laws get enforced within the city? Is it just a totally lawless territory not effectively claimed by any country? Do any of its residents vote in a country's elections? There wouldn't happen to be a recognized legislative body within it, would there?
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 12:33 am
US Supreme Court Deals Israel Lobby Big Defeat in Jerusalem Passport Case.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/124335883/3887113
 

Stan B (123)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 1:55 am
What a load of nonsense. Jerusalem is mentioned 700 times in the Talmud and NOT ONCE in the Koran.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 3:34 am
Under the logic given by Stephen, all Palestinians and Jordanians born in Palestine/ Jordan between 1919 and 1948 should be "Born in Britain" ... and the Lebanese & Syrians would be "Born in France", because Britain & France administered their lands at that time ....
:>)

Stan - Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the Bible, including the New Testament - so what? Does that give Christians some rights over national identity? Palestinians are also Christians, remember - But the mention of Jerusalem in Holy Books has nothing to do with statehood and status of Jerusalem.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 11:43 am
Hi Ros :)

The reason a lot of countries don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is that Israel moved its administration there in 1967 after taking control of the city. It was in Tel Aviv before because one typically does not want to run a country from within rocket-range of another's army when there is even a formal state of war between the two. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel would mean recognizing that Israel has no intention of giving up the eastern half of the city. (Of course, no country in all of recorded history has ever given up control of any part of the city housing its administrative centres outside of defeat in war, but it seems politically incorrect to recognize the total lack of precedent or extremity of demanding that Israel do so, so most governments just opt not to notice that.)

Hi Evelyn :)

Do you mean kind of like this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/British_Mandate_Palestinian_passport.jpg/190px-British_Mandate_Palestinian_passport.jpg
It does say "British Passport" at the top.
 

Stan B (123)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 12:59 pm
Ros was that meant to be a serious analogy? You aren't that naive are you?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 1:46 pm
A victory for rational thought.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 7:37 pm
Hi Stephen,

Your "because one typically does not want to run a country from within rocket-range of another's army when there is even a formal state of war between the two" suggests that the only way for Israel to seriously engage in a peace process that would result in a Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as its capital is to keep Jerusalem within rocket range. That's hardly a recipe for peace!

What's you recommended solution that would create a Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as it capital?
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Tuesday June 9, 2015, 8:33 pm
A very big decision.
Noted. Thank you Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday June 10, 2015, 11:40 am
Well recognised writer Juan Cole adds to this news item with one particular sentence all other media left out:

"No one is bringing up that a lot of Palestinian-Americans born in Jerusalem would like their passports to read “Jerusalem, Palestine”."
And for the collective memory he recalls the UN resolution 476 (1980)
(http://www.juancole.com/2015/06/implications-jerusalem-decision.html )
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday June 10, 2015, 3:36 pm
Hi Sam,

What's your recommended solution for the U.S. to make peace with ISIS and establish half of D.C. as ISIS' new capital?

My answer to your question is probably roughly the same, except that it would be a lot harder in terms of domestic politics for Israel to move its capital out of Jerusalem.
 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 10, 2015, 3:56 pm
Hi Stephen,

This is running away from the question. ISIS was only born yesterday. Let's not kid ourselves! But who on the Palestinian side is asking Israel to do that? The surest most legitimate way for Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel is for East Jerusalem to be the capital of Palestine.

How much does Israel care about that legitimacy? That IS the question.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday June 10, 2015, 7:46 pm
Hi Sam,

We're talking about two groups which cannot possibly trust each other any time in the near future not to attack, like the U.S. and ISIS. We're talking about groups which both genuinely include implacable pro-war factions looking to completely destroy the other, like the U.S. and ISIS, so that distrust is well-founded. Sticking both capitals on the border is a quick and sure-fire way to get them both paranoid and trigger a war.

Nobody on the Palestinian side is demanding that Israel move its capital out of Jerusalem because the faction that most ardently wants the Palestinian capital there also wants the Israeli one within easy striking distance. It is a pro-war faction, and in fact supports total war. Why do you insist that it is reasonable?

Frankly, nobody on Earth should care about the sort of legitimacy you're talking about. It's legitimacy among a bunch of activists with zero clue what they're talking about which is typically achieved through acts that get a lot of innocent people killed. Sadly, Israelis still seem to care at least a little bit.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 11, 2015, 12:34 pm

Thanks for the good news, Sam. Only got around to it now – good comments here. The one I really like is Bob’s – LOL.

“With Obama and all Muslims Brotherhood in the WH, of course the Arab lobby was able to push this one through.”

In other words … the US judicial system is not independent as I always thought but under the thumb of the “little white Dawah Ghost”!! That in itself is almost worth a special article. Wish I could have found some more details about this … ;-).

I firmly believe that the original solution is still the best: Jerusalem is to be an International City under International Mandate – the reason why Count Bernadotte was killed by the Lehi Terrorists.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 11, 2015, 12:35 pm

Hi Stephen – nice to read you again ;-).

“It was in Tel Aviv before because one typically does not want to run a country from within rocket-range of another's army when there is even a formal state of war between the two.”

I’m confused … are you talking about Hamas rockets? Can’t be as Arik Sharon gave birth to Hamas only in 1988/9 and the rockets started only in 2000. Which rocket-range are you talking about?
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 11, 2015, 11:11 pm
Hi Ros :)

Sorry about my error earlier. The Israeli parliament moved to Jerusalem in 1949, making West Jerusalem the Israeli capital. With the reunification of the city in 1967, the legal difference between West and East Jerusalem disappeared, with the city as a whole, housing the top Israeli governing body, becoming the capital of Israel. From 1949 until 1967. Israel was on a hair-trigger on its eastern border. Without any strategic depth, the government would have been extremely easy to disable if attacked by surprise, so any suggestion at all that an attack might be coming would have been enough to trigger a pre-emptive strike by Israel. It was a very, very scary time in the area.

Hi Eleonora :)

The U.S. justice system is a bit of a mess. Judges there tend to be elected or individually appointed by elected politicians. There are some checks and balances in place to try to reduce the effect, but ultimately politics plays very heavily in the U.S. justice-system. Because major Western political factions are bound by ideology and not by individual loyalties or power-politics, a lot of those checks and balances fail fairly often. On top of that, there is a known loophole in them which a president can use to effectively take control of the U.S. Supreme Court, and presidents have threatened to use it in the past in order to get their way.

I was talking about Jordanian / Arab Legion rockets, but the same logic applies to any rockets and any war really. Until the end of the war in 1949, security is the reason Israel did not have its government in Jerusalem.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 12, 2015, 12:42 am

Hi Stephen ;-)

I can only confirm what you say re judicial systems in general and in particular the US. My question was rather ... hypothetical - ;-) ... as I really "love" the big hoopla the US and its allies and friends always make when a ruling in a foreign, sovereign country is not to their liking. See e.g. the death penalty against their beloved ex-Pres Mursi.

As for "Nobody on the Palestinian side is demanding that Israel move its capital out of Jerusalem because the faction that most ardently wants the Palestinian capital there also wants the Israeli one within easy striking distance. It is a pro-war faction, and in fact supports total war." It doesn't occur to you that people want peace since a very long time and are sick and tired of the ongoing land grabbing and wanton destructions inflicted on a regular basis by Israel? Can't you imagine that they would just accept East Jerusalem as their capital? East Jerusalem being NOT the little neighborhood which Israel tries to sell to the world as being "East Jerusalem" but the real and original part that is called East Jerusalem. You and I know what I'm talking about and we've been down that road together. No need to repeat ;-).

It was nice to read you again - you were missed!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 13, 2015, 2:59 am

Hi Nyack - wherever someone happens to reside be it even on Mars ... I bet you a dinner at "The Russian Team Room" or at the "Tavern on the Green" in Central Park or at the "Top of the Sixes" ... "Chava" et al. had lived there before and will come back and claim their holy landS ... provided that place has potential and is worth writing special tailor-made history for in retrospect!

Hi Ros - I just love your comment(s) - LOL. One heck of a "coffee bean" ...
 
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