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Before BDS, 18 Cows Presented An Existential Threat to Israel


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Sam
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Caroline d (139)
Friday June 19, 2015, 2:24 am
Thank you for sharing this very interesting article, Sam!
Be blessed as all your loved ones and have a beautiful weekend.
(Noted)
 

Carol R (11)
Friday June 19, 2015, 8:03 am
But at its best, “The Wanted 18” follows a worthy tradition of highlighting absurdities that arise during conflict: here, Israelis threatened by livestock and Palestinians creating some blunders of their own. To those involved, it seems comical in retrospect. Yet at the time, one Palestinian man says, “we took this cow thing very seriously.”

Thanks for putting a smile on my face this am before work Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 19, 2015, 8:19 am
They were never short of finding ways to harrass and punish the Palestinians. And Israeli "peaceniks" were in the crosshairs as well I guess. Or perhaps the IDF were after sexy Lola?
Not only were the cows a security threat, the flmmaker is as well!
Israel Blocks Palestinian Filmmaker from Making NYC Film Premiere About Intifada Cows

Thanks Sam for this bitter- sweet story
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 19, 2015, 8:29 am
"We heard from an older man called Jawal, who was involved in an audacious project to help the inhabitants of Beit Sahour to boycott Israeli goods. At that time there were no dairy farms in the West Bank, and the Palestinians were reliant on milk imported from Israel. Jawal came up with a plan to bring a herd of cows to Beit Sahour. They travelled to an Israeli kibbutz, bought eighteen cows, and herded them onto a piece of land in Beit Sahour. Jawal knew nothing about cows, he had never even seen a cow before in his life, but there was huge enthusiasm for the project amongst the people of the town.

Within a week an Israeli commander came to the farm with many soldiers and an intelligence unit. They took a photograph of each individual cows and the numbers on their backs. They arrested the farm workers and arrested Jawal.

The commander told Jawal that the cows “posed a threat to the national security of the state of Israel”.

The commander told Jawal that if the cows were not removed the army would demolish the farm. That night a group of shabab, or village youth, helped to smuggle the cows out and hide them all over Beit Sahour. Jawal told us that half of the cows escaped and had to be chased! One of the cows gave birth to the first calf of Beit Sahour. The eighteen terrorists had become nineteen…

The army searched for the cows with hundreds of soldiers and two helicopters. The had photographs of the cows that they showed to the townspeople, asking, “Have you see these cows?” They could not find them.
At that time, there were long curfews imposed on the inhabitants of Beit Sahour. During the curfews the youth of the town delivered milk clandestinely to families. The milk became known as the “milk of the Intifada”. The cows were hidden for 4 years!"
(from https://freedombuspalestine.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/storiesfromthefirstintifada/) :-))
 

Carol R (11)
Friday June 19, 2015, 8:32 am
Thanks Angie, for the link to DemocracyNow!. From the intro:

The annual Human Rights Watch International Film Festival is underway here in New York City, but one of its featured directors won’t be able to attend his film’s U.S. premiere this weekend. That’s because Israel recently deemed Palestinian filmmaker Amer Shomali a "security threat" and prevented him from traveling to Jerusalem to obtain a U.S. visa. Then he went to Amman, Jordan, where the U.S. approved a visa but said their visa machine was broken. Shomali had previously attended half a dozen European festivals without incident, and his film has drawn international acclaim. Interestingly, the film, "The Wanted 18," shows how Israel has historically tried to undermine any form of Palestinian nonviolent resistance by branding such resistance as dangerous and threatening, and recreates an astonishing true story from the First Palestinian Intifada when the Israeli army pursued 18 cows, whose independent milk production on a Palestinian collective farm was declared "a threat to the national security of the state of Israel." We speak to Amer Shomali in Ramallah.

And it continues.....
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Friday June 19, 2015, 9:50 am
In retrospect it all is rather farcical and petty, from both sides really, especially if seen in isolation, disconnected from time and place. And a slow motion animation film is a good way to show the absurdities in a rather innocuous way. But many here know that while in itself it seems rather harmless, if all these incidents are added up over time and all the dots are connected, a much less innocent image of a Palestinian people, persecuted for who they are and the land they own, appears.
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Friday June 19, 2015, 11:23 am
Thank you, Sam, for this very interesting story.

Why do you think Israel is so paranoid?

When cows finally have their uprising, it will be against all non-Vegans. Israel, in that regard, will finally not be a special case.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday June 19, 2015, 1:07 pm
The Wanted 18
The Wanted 18 Filming Making of

Everyone knows that cows produce methane, methane is explosive .... so cows could be dangerous in the hands of Palestinians!!

After all - last year a barn in Germany exploded due to failure of the ventiliation system, Flatulent Cows Cause Methane Explosion on German Farm

So cows MUST be a weapon ....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 19, 2015, 1:18 pm

Love your explanation, Evelyn - LOL!!! Thanks Sam - made my comment under Evelyn's thread above.

 

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 19, 2015, 4:55 pm
AAHH, thanks Evelyn! But of course, that's it, why didn't we/ I think of this ! But no need to take photos of each cow then, - unless they took pics of the cow's butts?
 

Rose Becke (141)
Friday June 19, 2015, 5:33 pm
WTF
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday June 19, 2015, 7:30 pm
Noted. Interesting story.
Thanks Sam.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 5:39 am
Do we know this story is actually true?

Even if it is, 1988???? How is this 'news'?
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 5:44 am
On the subject of cows ... The Israelis let these ones through.

This is how they treat cows in Gaza.

(There is a petition if anybody here cares.)

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2015/03/european-animals-brutally-slaughtered-in-gaza/
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 7:03 am
Ros, that is exacty what I also suspect, that those animals gone to the Gaza strip went there THROUGH ISRAEL.
(even if it sounds strange that during the war ["first 10 months of 2014"] any live exports would have gone through there!)
I couldn't find any evidence that EU countires do live exports to Gaza -other than the allegations by Israel, as the website John provided states-, but they do export to Israel and Lebanon, also Turkey.

Check here >

EXPORT OF LIVE ANIMALS FROM EUROPEAN UNION TO NON-EU COUNTRIES
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 7:08 am
Neverttheless, I did of course sign that petition.
That website says:
"No EU country reports live exports to the Gaza Strip or anywhere else in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). But, according to figures obtained from the Israeli authorities, in the first 10-months of 2014 alone, 27,000 European animals crossed into the OPT. "

They don't report probably because they DON'T DO any to that destination! Israeli authorities claim a lot that is not true, nothing new.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 7:13 am
Thank you, Ros. Let me just add that I am vehemently opposed to ALL animal slaughter.

Yes, Animals Australia, a wonderful AR organisation and I have nothing but respect for them and the work they do.
I see no earthly reason for a civilised country like Australia to engage themselves in such a trade. On the practical level no other country has a livestock industry large enough to take over from Australia to meet the Muslim worlds demand for red meat, so they are the one's calling the shots. Ideally I would like to see an end to the trade in animal flesh altogether. That is obviously not going to happen. But at least they could replace the 'on the hoof' trade with an 'on the hook' trade, with supervised humane slaughter in Australia.

As you say they're coming in through the Israeli side of the border. These particular cows hail from Europe.
Kosher-Halal, the same mindset. They obviously, sadly, see nothing wrong in this sort of thing.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 7:15 am
According to the Guardian, Australia is in talks with the Chinese to open a HUGE new trade in live cattle export with China ...
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 7:55 am
There is no end to all the BS that keeps coming from this bovine, Ros!

By that, I, of course, mean no disrespect for cows.

But to be silent about the inhumane slaughter of animals to produce KOSHER meat when it has been happening for thousands and thousands of years is mindboggling. That disrespect of life, in general, did NOT start with the slaughter of Jesus Christ and did not end with the last Kosher meal Netanyahu had on his plate.

It's the height of depravity and deceitfulness to portray the slaughter of cows as a Muslim problem, when Jews have been slaughtering animals to produce kosher meat for thousands and thousands of years, well before a single Muslim walked on the face of the earth.

But to hide that brutality that existed since the end of times under the innocent characterization of "the same mindset" is the height of deceit.

And this is coming from this bovine who keeps preaching against stirring the pot of hate.

There’s nothing more hateful than being deceitful to advance one’s ulterior motives. As despicable as Netanyahu is, I still have more respect for him than I have for this lying snake that pretends to care about peace, but all he does is spread his venom to undermine the commonality that unites all human beings.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 9:30 am
Might I remind those who shifted the discussion over to a very important subject of animal abuse ...
Abusive treatment of live animals being exported is not the subject of this thread.

This thread concerns a film that has just come out in 2015 - about an event in the past. If those criticising the fact that events occurred in the 1980s had read the article, &/or followed related links in comments, they would have realised this.

But in fact they didn't want to know about a humorous yet thought-provoking film being shown in NY this month .... and the fact that polticial interests plus technical problems have prevented the Palestinian co-Director from being present at a festival when the film was shown. Because the film is both funny - and underscoring of the kind of petty harassment & undermining of efforts to develop sustainable self-sufficiency by a group of Palestinians (with initial help by Israeli Jewish peace-activists).
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 9:32 am
And Sam - you are right: the pseudo peace lover keeps revealing systematic bias.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 9:39 am
Signed the petition that EU animals not be exported live to non-EU countries.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 10:02 am
For those who share concern about this topic of cruelty to animals/ cattle - thrown inappropriately into a discussion about cows & milk production - A live link to the petion referred to above:
Take action: Email the head of the European Commission, Mr Juncker, and the Commissioners for Food Safety, Trade, and Agriculture. Tell them that the trade in live animals leaving the EU must stop.
and
PETITION to end live export cruelty

And a couple of articles (Caution - explicit videos, not for sensitive souls):
ISRAEL ~ Live Export Investigation, May, 2015 ~ Animals Australia
And the link provided by John :
European animals brutally slaughtered in Gaza

But - a reminder: The Wanted 18 is about 18 dairy cows, who spent 4 years hidden from the IDF .... continuing to produce milk .... and methane!
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 10:40 am
There is no hope in hell that these cows combined can produce as much methane as our in-residence bovine can produce in one single utterance.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 12:33 pm

Thanks for collecting these links in one posting, Evelyn! Not that it's any of my business ... but curiosity kills the cat (no pun intended - LOL) - what are you going to do with all these invitations ...;-)??
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 1:08 pm
Well, Eleonora - since they tend to come with misinformation .... not much!!
But I've signed the petition proposed (which does not specify any country or open air prison zone to be banned specifically), and added one!
And asked for reliable documentary proof, on the basis of which some exchange might be possible .... which hasn't been forthcoming (only a link to an even 9 years ago, supposed to prove 2014 reports are false!!!!!!!) ....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 1:13 pm

Evelyn - that's what it's all about ... "Pallywood" says it all, non?
 

Janet B (0)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 1:30 pm
Thanks
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 1:39 pm
Doesn't it just, Eleonora!! :>)
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 6:55 pm
How could the cows not be happy cows when they know they're on the side of peace and not helping the OCCUPATION?
 

M B (62)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 8:08 pm
thanks for posting Sam - here are 2 links, because I think this is related - see the broader picture !
esp. the 2nd link - read thru to inform yourself who plays behind the scenes...surprise, surprise, LOL !

http://www.care2.com/news/go/3889845 -

https://christiansagainstisrael.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/de-israel-connectie-van-geert-wilders/
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 9:59 pm
I would not expect Israelis to notice any competition when Israel's milk production and quality control is a high efficiency and best in the world.

However, there could be a true reason for Israel to worry about those cows.

There was no security fence between Arab areas and Israel, so those cows could be simply stolen from a nearby kibbutz before the proper immunization had been completed. I remember a story of Arab thieves stealing animals before they were immunized, and then those animals got sick and the whole or majority of the herd had to be put down.

Arabs, of course, blamed the Israelis, not even the thieves.

Now they kicked in Pallywood for that.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 20, 2015, 10:04 pm
I, too, remember a story about Jewish thieves stealing Palestinian land!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 2:26 am
Sam: What do you think 'Let me add that I am vehemently opposed to ALL animal slaughter' means????
Maybe if you wiped the hate from your eyes you might see more clearly.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 2:44 am
Ros G: I cannot believe you said that.

Talking the talk is easy. Walking the walk more difficult ...

You are not opposed to animal slaughter ... in the food chain. I am. Vegan for me.

As to your suggestion that I "get to know who you are talking to".
A reference to our previous correspondence on the 'All Your Clothes ...' thread.
Er ... I have a better suggestion, YOU get to know who I am talking to. i.e. Roslyn McBride post 12. Hence me addressing my post to Roslyn, not Ros.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 6:15 am
Ros: The facts of the matter
http://www.banliveexports.com/investigations/

And this thread concerns cows in Gaza/the Middle East.

We are talking here about live exports are we not? Argentina exports meat on the hook. They couldn't export cattle 'on the hoof' - over 10,000 miles by sea to Indonesia for example.- even if they wanted to.
So they couldn't take over from Australia, in either way.

Did I not say I opposed all animal slaughter? I did. So it goes without saying I'm opposed to it in the UK or Israel or the Middle East or anywhere, but especially so where there is gross mistreatment and barbaric slaughter (Not that there is a nice way to slit anyone's throat)
If you were a cattle farmer in the past - and it was bad enough you were betraying them to the slaughterhouse for your own profit - if you had a shred of compassion for the animals in your charge, you would not have wanted such an outcome for them either.

As for 'tackling' the fast food chains, rest assured I have, I am and I will continue to do so. (Assuming you aren't already) I would like to see you 'tackle' it too.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 8:23 am

Thank you, Madame B., for the links. Geertje Wilders …. why doesn’t this surprise me? As the saying goes: “The birds of the feather flock together”.

As a little side-step from the discussion: What came as a surprise to me though was this video: De video over Israël die je van The New York Times niet mocht zienwhich loosely translated to “The vide over Israel which the New York Time didn’t want you to see”. I know that all kind of hotlines and “services” exist in order to stop (Jewish) Israelis to mix with (Christian and Muslim) Arabs but I obviously closed my eyes to what was going on since years …
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 10:20 am
Ros G: If anyone had any understanding of the true nature of the Divine, then they wouldn't eat pigs or anything else, not because it says so in some book, but out of compassion and recognition of the unity of all life.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 21, 2015, 12:17 pm
Ros -
someone it trying to provoke you to forget the theme of this post!!

This post is about a recent film made about a true story concerning 18 cows sold through an Israeli peace activist to the villagers of Beit Sahour, who wanted to meet their needs for milk without buying from Israeli sources. And the IDF coming to take these 18 cows "because they constitute a danger" ...... And keeping the cows out of the hands of the Israelis becomes another form on non-violent resistance. ....

It's not about meat industry, live exports for slaughter (kosher or halal or other) ..... An issue covered in other posts & discussion threads ...
 

Knud Thirup (54)
Monday June 22, 2015, 1:00 am
Poor cows, - and thanks for sharing.
 
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