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No One Is Happier With the Iranian Deal Than Netanyahu. 4 Billion Dollars Happier IN GRANTS


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Sam
- 1438 days ago - reuters.com
Israel signalled that it would ask the United States for increased military aid to counter any threats that may arise as result of the international agreement on Iran's nuclear programme.



   

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Sam H (410)
Friday July 17, 2015, 8:49 pm
Before Netanyahu's suspension of aid talks, the two sides were close to a new package of grants starting in 2017 and worth $3.6 billion-$3.7 billion. U.S. and Israeli officials said. That sum would likely rise once talks resumed, they said.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday July 17, 2015, 8:52 pm
always an 'angle'...Thanks, Sam.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday July 17, 2015, 9:57 pm
Of course ~ nothing new from 'Butcher Ben'.
 

Sandrea S (278)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 4:27 am
Sure his last name's not Dover?
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 4:38 am
In other news, across the U.S. over 15 million children live in food insecure households.
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 6:19 am
Never get enough.
Noted. Thanks Sam.
 

Carol R (11)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 10:13 am
I would find it extremely hypocritical of the US if they were to send extra military aid to Israel after this historic Iranian deal... after all, wasn't the idea peace, not war?
Thanks Sam.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 1:14 pm
Ah, but Carol dear -military aid is for DEFENSE .... that's the form permissable under US law ... and under conditions concerning avoidance of targeting civilians .... So those are the "justification" that move this from "hypocrisy" to "pragmatic".

Definitions, my dear Carol ... definitions that whitewash while keeping AIPAC happy, threaten the label "anti-Semitic" if one dares question the very special dictionary for use in discussions with the Hawks of the State of Israel - and their Zionist supporters in the US ..

Hypocritical is from OUR perspective, not that of the GOP, nor even for a number of Democrat members of government. AIPAC provides the "air-sweeteners" that prevent any smell of "rotten" reaching the decision-makers ... at least, at present.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 1:19 pm
Don't miss a very interesting "take" on this treaty: Iran: The Treaty
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 2:41 pm
Ok, we already had the news several weeks back that they're planning on some $ 4 -4,5 billion..enough to make anyone smile.
Now, after the deal, Israel should be considered a lot safer so that a package of security measures befitting the new situation would, by all reasonable thinking, mean a drastic DEDUCTION from those current $ 3,1 bn!
The problem is, there are no reasonable minds neither in Israel nor in Washington.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 3:25 pm

Thanks Sam! I hope you didn't again "fake" a picture ... LOL?! I view of the above I guess I can just put in an older posting of mine (in one of Angelika's nuclear articles ...).

But first I'd like to address the statement by the Israeli Defense Minister: "We will ultimately, of course, have to go and talk about the trade-offs that Israel has coming to it in order to preserve a qualitative edge," It's simply a given that Israel gets trade-offs?! Not even a proposal or a hope - no, a given!

When do they stop breast-feeding Israel? Don't we always hear that this country is the greatest, best, most advanced ... and what have you not ... and the world would be a sh**ty place if it weren't for all their great inventions which makes the lives of us Goyim bearable?! So why all these helps in ever so many forms? Am I missing something?

Anyway - this is my old comment a bit adapted:

Israel claims that the possibility of Iran having nuclear weapons poses a security threat to the State of Israel and that it is in danger of being annihilated if Iran is allowed to have the little toys too.

How can such an existential threat (real or imaginative is not the point) be offset by giving Israel yet another “shipload of money” for years to come (remember the old deal is about to expire and the financial fountain would have been dry)?

In return for “accepting” the Iran/US deal on the nuclear issue Israel gets 4 Bio instead of 3.1 Bio US$ indicating at the face of it that they get an extra 0.9 Bio US$.

But as it turns out the 3.1 Bio US$ agreement would have expired in 2017! In other words: they got a new deal (which flew under the radar of most media (intentionally?) and people) totaling now 4 Bio US$ of US taxpayer's money!

On top of that they get F35 jet fighters – the most modern ones on earth – and Obama reassured Bibi that they will help (read: pay) to further enhance the OFFENSIVE and defensive capabilities of the IDF.

Since when does money shield against nuclear attacks?!?!?!? Would only the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have known about this easy protection ...

The question poses itself: how much will the other Middle Eastern States receive for accepting that Israel is a Nuclear Power and poses a constant existential threat to them as we have seen in the past (Israel loaded the nukes as a threat to the US because Uncle Sam didn’t want to help initially during the war of 1973. The blackmail worked, the US helped and the rest is history.)? Not only that but Israel is allowed to refuse with impunity to be part of the NPT (which Iran had signed decades ago and adhered to it until now) as well as is allowed to attempt to proliferate nukes – see e.g. the offer to then Apartheid South Africa.

Why do the Zionist foot soldiers cry: “lies” and/or “anti-Semitism” if one notes simple facts which can be easily checked?

Well … just wondering
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 3:29 pm


Evelyn - you seem to have your "Orwellian" day - LOL!!
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 4:35 pm
What a revealing photograph!!!! Is it possible that ugly face has become uglier? Thanks, Sam, important questions......these kind of questions whether answered or not, cause me to have bad dreams because the questions should not exist, should never have been brought to the attention of the world. That is the shame of it.

sharing on facebook and twitter.
 

Freya H (345)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 7:45 pm
If Netanyahu continues to age like that, soon he'll be physically indistinguishable from Darth Sidious, aka Emperor Palpatine from the "Star Wars" movies. Morally and ethically, he already is.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 8:00 pm
LOL Betsy & Freya!

But I agree!!
 

Abo r (107)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 8:44 pm
Thanks, Sam.
 

. (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 4:51 am
ANOTHER FAKE TITLE FROM SAM THE SPAM MAN!!

But forgive him. He has to do it because no one would look at his boring articles otherwise.
 

. (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 4:53 am
Lovely choice of FAKE picture, though!!
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 5:03 am
Increased military aid to completely occupy the West Bank and drive all Palestinians out and then turn their attention to Lebanon again, looking to expand there? The nuclear agreement with Iran is a ruse for Israel and I do not believe for one minute that right wing America isn't in on this ruse. This is extremely counter productive in dealing with Da'esh, which should be America's and Israel's greatest worry, but I doubt if the warmongers in America really care. Any war is good for (arms)business as long as it's not on their own soil.
 

Marco C (31)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 5:37 am
Good comment Lona. The only exception would be that the arms business is indifferent to all but their own self perpetuating interests, they would sacrifice even what happens on their own soil.

Oh, and with the amount of money sent you would think it was America that perpetrated the Holocaust.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 8:23 am
Iran gets 100 BILLION dollars frozen previously to spend on terror world wide and on the nukes.

Israel has to respond to this money with 0.4 extra help???

Obama just keeps throwing US allies under the bus, trying to make Iran a superpower and bring more Arab money and votes to Democrats.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 8:24 am
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/14/iran-deal-announced-gets-over-100-billion-in-sanctioned-assets/
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 9:22 am
Shoshona,

I think priorities were set as straight, as they can be: Iran wants to destroy Israel, Saudi Arabia and US, and not Iran got stashes of cash. Getting 100 BIllion Bucks is nice. Thanks to Obama.

I almost missed allowing Iran to export oil, to kill US and Canadian shell producers. Another thanks goes to Obama. I really overestimated Mr. Obama when purchased oil stocks. Well, Warren Buffet made the same mistake, so both of us are now of the same opinion about Obama.

US got smiling Kerry and Obama, and an agreement (hudna) to keep things cool for the next 10 years. Then Mullahs will show Obama and Kerry why they should off learn Koran and know what to expect when dealing with experts.

Israelis have to be very creative, as usual, to answer the 100 BILLION threat with 0.4 Billion budget.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 9:35 am
Benny Netanyahu needs to Rot in Hell! He is nothing but an Arrogant trouble-maker and War Monger, having made multiple trips to Washington, D.C. to try to influence President Obama into starting WWIII!! He has such a sense of Entitlement--needlessly, of course.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 11:58 am
Kathryn,

Those who made nukes more available to Iran are the real war mongers.

Signing Hudna with Iran - is not a great achievement for peace, as Obama tries to present, but allowing Iranian regime to empower itself.

Netaniyahu push for a GOOD deal was the right move. Netaniyahu deals with Islamist extremists all the time and knows what works with them, and what doesn't.
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 12:22 pm
Thanks
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 12:34 pm

Bob, your postings of Sunday July 19, 2015, 8:23 am and 9:22 am are very interesting – only two minor points do stop me which I’m sure with your expertise you’ll be able to shed some light on:

1. What are “US and Canadian shell producers”?
2. Which “0.4 extra help” are you talking about?

Your clarification would be highly appreciated just so that we would be on the same page.

Thanks a lot!


 

Debra G (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 12:39 pm
An aid package that went from 3B before to 3.7B is hardly a massive increase, but I heard Israel was turning down additional aid as a protest against the nuke deal. At any rate, all you anti-Israeli troglodytes should wait until a deal is passed before spewing more hate.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 2:00 pm
Eleonora,

You caught two spelling typos:
1. "shelf" oil producer. Google for the shelf oil if you are interested. The point is, US oil producers will need to compete against more of Iranian oil.

2. 0.4"B" extra help is the difference of what Israel will get AFTER the Hudna with Iran is signed (if Sam didn't lie about 4B), and 3.6-3.7B it was supposed to get prior to Hudna signing.


 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 2:15 pm
'Asking' is not the same as 'getting'.

Asking for isn't really news.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 2:49 pm
And we're trying to have a conversation with someone who doesn't know the difference between "difference" and "ratio." Trying to teach this guy math is like trying to instill decency into a Zionist--a hopeless case!
 

Kate K (215)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 3:05 pm
I read that he is not happy with the deal.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 4:31 pm
I'm glad that for some, $ 700 million isn't very much ...
After all - it is "only" seven times the 2016 budget for Indian education ...
- it is "only" seven times the 2016 budget for school improvement programs in the US
Or the equivalent of half the sum allocated for Career, Technical and Adult Education in 2016 in the US
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 4:33 pm
It takes chutzpah to accuse someone of "faking" when one is writing under false profiles!
 

Janis K (129)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 6:42 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 7:19 pm
Noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 8:22 pm
Evelyn,

Iran is getting 100 Billion dollars for signing the Hudna. This money likely will be spent to promote wars and terror in the region.

What will be the ratios to Indian education in US and other good expenses you mentioned?
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 8:26 pm
Sam thank you for the article; Evelyn, thank you for the perceptive and insightful comments.
 

Roger G (148)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 10:15 pm
noted, thanks
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 20, 2015, 4:36 am
Interesting, the $$$$ preoccupation of some
"I almost missed allowing Iran to export oil, to kill US and Canadian shell producers. Another thanks goes to Obama. I really overestimated Mr. Obama when purchased oil stocks. Well, Warren Buffet made the same mistake, so both of us are now of the same opinion about Obama. "

So sorry for your financial loss ... or perhaps not.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 20, 2015, 4:40 am
Bob -
$100 billion? Stated as though that's being paid out to them from other states' resources ...

But I believe that you are actually referring to frozen Iranian assets, to which Iran would now have access again.

Not quite the same thing as giving from the US Federal Budget

 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 20, 2015, 4:45 am
By the way - uninformed use of foreign terms is usually for intentions of making them unacceptable. A term not understood makes people distrusting .....

Why replace "treaty" with "hudna" when writing in English?

Explanation of hudna:
"A hudna (from the Arabic هدنة meaning "calm" or "quiet") is a truce or armistice. It is sometimes mistranslated as "cease-fire". In his medieval dictionary of classical Arabic, the Lisan al-Arab, Ibn al-Manzur defined it as:

"hadana: he grew quiet. hadina: he quieted (transitive or intransitive). haadana: he made peace with. The noun from each of these is hudna."

A famous early hudna was the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah between Muhammad and the Quraysh tribe."
 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 20, 2015, 7:38 am
Clean-up in Aisle 4, please! Bring a shovel, boots, and a wheelbarrow!
 

Shil O (0)
Monday July 20, 2015, 8:17 am
@ Evelyn b
I hudna given it much thought, the title having no factual basis but it did however evoke memories of a time when a sole was the name for a fish



 

Gillian M (11)
Monday July 20, 2015, 8:48 am
Funny how the title of the article is actually that Israel signals that it may ask for more aid and that Netanyahu has actually frozen discussions on aid for the moment. So, where is Netanyahu rubbing his hands in glee? In fact, he is asking that the nuclear deal not go ahead because it is so dangerous for everybody.

So, all of these comments show that no-one actually read the article but is just sneering at Netanyahu because of the lying title. But then, why would I expect any different from the racists on the board? After all, they must all support Hitler's best buddy, Husseini and the Neo Fascist ideals.
 

Gillian M (11)
Monday July 20, 2015, 8:51 am
Evelyn, while you are sneering at the aid, how much does Egypt get? How much aid does Saudi get? How much do the other Muslim controlled countries get? So, perhaps you would be happy if the aid was stopped to all of you? Please say if all of these countries shouldn't receive it. No, silent on the subject? What a surprise that the hypocritical behaviour of Muslims does not extend to themselves.

And, the aid to Israel is solely to allow them to protect themselves from the ongoing attacks by Muslim terrorist groups, you know, those poor innocent members of Hamas who daily commit war crimes sending rockets into Israel and many of these same rockets also kill Palestinians. But, as Israel isn't doing it then that's OK!

 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 20, 2015, 9:32 am
Evelyn,

This Hudna - a nuke truce for 10 years - that Iran signed with US closely resembles "A famous early hudna was the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah between Muhammad and the Quraysh tribe."

100 Billion Dollars of unfrozen Iranian assets means a great danger to Sunni Arab states, Israel and US. To address this threat that arose due to Obama's infinite wisdom Israel needs much more than 0.7B increase in military aid.

Nobody counted how much more US will need to keep itself protected from Iranian nukes in 11 years.

And nobody counted losses of US oil producers now facing increased Iranian oil exports.

That's why the only parties gleeing at this Hudna are Iranians, Hesbola and Assad.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 20, 2015, 10:07 am
Penny
For someone who complained that a comment about not seeing a response from you some time after a comment was posted - I see you cut the time to a timeframe requiring clairvoyance - because you say "silent on the subject" before even posting the comment you (don't) want a reaction to!

IF you were to look closely, it was your friend Debra who said $ 0.7 wasn't very much - and I replied to her. I simply compared it to Federal Budget allocations for the US, to show that "not very much" might be somewhat misleading.
I don't think anyone not already biased would call that "sneering".

I was not commenting on US aid elsewhere ... In most cases (Israel being a striking exception), US AID money goes to poor countries, for development aid ... often with a certain amount of conditionality tied to US policies.

Eleonora has criticised US aid policies & attitudes to the MB ("beardies") in Egypt elsewhere. That might be the place to discuss Egypt's aid received from the US. There are close links between such aid and political conditions .... not all of which are popular with the people.

As for US aid to Saudi .... check your facts.
Saudi Arabia PAYS for services and military aid - and for scholarships in the US. For example, in 2010 there was a $60.5 billion purchase of arms by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - the biggest arms sale in American history.

I believe there is some payment for the use of land for a US unit still based in Saudi Arabia. But that is not aid

For your inquiring mind: Israel is in second place among the 5 top countries receiving aid from the US.
$ 3.1 billion in military aid in 2012

Only Afghanistan received more (much more) - $ 9.6 billion in military aid, and $ 3.3 billion in development a humanitarian aid.

3rd place: Iraq - with $ 1.2 billion in military aid, and $ 0.8 billion in development & humanitarian aid.

4th place: Egypt - with $ 1.3 billion in military aid, and $ 0.1 billion in development & humanitarian aid.

5th place: Pakistan - with $ 0.1 billion in military aid, and $ 1.1 billion in development & humanitarian aid.

I would call your attention to the fact that if anyone were to refer to "Jewish-controlled countries", they would be accused as being racist - anti-Semitic....
In the same way - "Muslim-controlled" clearly reflects a racist attitude.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 20, 2015, 10:38 am
I have found the most recent data availlable to answer your question, Penny
.... Figures from 2014
http://securityassistance.org/middle-east-and-north-africa/data/country/arms/country/2009/2016/is_all/

Israel Arms Sales (Countries) $ 1,538 million

Israel Humanitarian and Development $ 10 million
Israel Military and Police Aid $ 3,100 million

Saudi Arabia Arms Sales $ 2,267 million

Saudi Arabia Military and Police Aid $ 0.3 million


Egypt Arms Sales $ 140 million

Egypt Humanitarian and Development $ 201 million
Egypt Military and Police Aid $ 1,305 million

I hope that answers your question.

Although others might be led to wonder why Israel - a "developed" country - should not only get preferential arms sales prices in addition to sizeable military aid, but also humanitarian and development aid on such a scale ....
 

M B (62)
Monday July 20, 2015, 1:00 pm
something puzzles me, too: all those great, advanced technologies + inventions + airport security (quote) "that's why our planes NEVER get hijacked"...and on the other hand Israel explained its atrocities; regarding # ICC "unfortunately there were (Palestinian ) victims, due to our low intelligence" -
After all I guess they "need" that aid as "developement country" (in humanity) - LOL
thank you for posting
 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 20, 2015, 6:28 pm
M.B.

Israeli planes do not get hijacked because Israeli security "go fishing to a place with fish".

Israeli security knows who is flying and checks well only those who is likely to blow up or to hijack a plane.

May be it less politically correct, but is much more efficient and causes way less inconveniences to those who do not dream of becoming martyrs.
 

Hilary S (65)
Monday July 20, 2015, 11:33 pm
oh dear - what a nonsense is this story!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 6:14 am
Barbara, not only vanishing but aging? 36 years overnight ?

Ros - you are right!! (Israel signals it may ask for more US military aid over Iran deal

Israel signals it may ask for more US military aid over Iran deal

Top Defense Ministry official reportedly visits Washington to assess planned U.S. military aid to Persian Gulf states following deal with Iran and its impact on Israel's "qualitative edge" • U.S., Israel said to discuss $3.6 billion military aid package.
Reuters and Israel Hayom Staff


Israel signaled on Friday that it would ask the United States for increased military aid to counter any threats that may arise as result of the international agreement on Iran's nuclear program.

Israel gets $3 billion in annual military aid from Washington under a package due to expire in 2017 and has in recent years secured hundreds of millions of dollars in additional U.S. funding for missile defense.

Israel and the United States had been in talks on future grants but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu suspended them in the run-up to last Tuesday's nuclear deal with Iran, which he condemned as insufficient.

Netanyahu plans to lobby the U.S. Congress not to approve the nuclear deal.

But Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon on Friday appeared to regard congressional ratification as a foregone conclusion and described the deferral of aid discussions with Washington as an opportunity to assess the ramifications of the agreement.

"We talk about the American defense aid, it is clear that the situation here has changed and must be studied," Ya'alon told Israel's Channel 2 TV.

Ya'alon said Iran's economic gains from a lifting of Western sanctions could boost Iranian-backed terrorists in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories. It could also lead to an arms race with Arab states unfriendly to Israel, he said.

"We will ultimately, of course, have to go and talk about the trade-offs that Israel has coming to it in order to preserve a qualitative edge," he said, referring to Israel's military superiority in the Middle East.

This would not be next week, when U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter visits Israel, he said.

"It will be in several more months, certainly, after the [Iran] deal is approved and studied."

Before Netanyahu's suspension of aid talks, the two sides were close to a new package of grants starting in 2017 and worth $3.6 billion to $3.7 billion. U.S. and Israeli officials said.

That sum would likely rise once talks resumed, they said.

In the interim, defense-related contacts between the allies have not ceased completely.

According to Israeli media reports, Defense Ministry Director General Dan Harel visited the U.S. this week to assess the Obama administration's planned military aid to Persian Gulf states and its impact on the Israeli "qualitative edge."

An Israeli official confirmed Harel's U.S. trip to Reuters but did not comment on the nature of the visit.

Opposition Leader MK Isaac Herzog (Zionist Union) closed ranks with Netanyahu against the Iran nuclear deal and said he would go to Washington "to work on advancing a package of security measures befitting the new situation."
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 6:46 am

NB - GRANTS, not loans, reported here. (It does not include the U.S. Loan Guarantees to Israel, either -

"In 1984 the Cranston Amendment stopped loans to Israel while increasing the grants in order to put an end to past debts. From 1985 on, in the framework of the plan to stabilize the economy, American aid was pegged at a grant of $3 billion annually. In that year Israel also received another grant of $1.5 billion. One of the negotiators between the countries in 1985 was Professor Stanley Fischer, who later became the governor of the Bank of Israel.

The largest amount of American aid in grants and loans in a single year came to $15.7 billion in 1979, when Israel signed the peace treaty with Egypt. Cumulatively, American aid to Israel between 1950 and 2013 amounted to about 3% of Israel’s GDP during that period.

For about the past 20 years, under the American-Israeli agreement, the grants from the United States are used for the purpose of purchasing arms and other security equipment (for example fuels) that Israel needs for propelling its war machine. One of the most expensive arms deals in the history of Israel’s defense forces – the purchase of 20 F-35 fighter planes for $2.7 billion – will be financed entirely by aid money. The deal was signed towards the end of 2010 and the first planes are slated to be delivered to Israel next year. "

and

""...friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.

Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury." "
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 7:00 am
Sorry - source: The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers - True Lies About U.S. Aid to Israel
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 8:00 am
Thanks Evelyn for the Curtiss report. It is revealing for what it mentions and for what it doesn’t.

The figures reported by Curtis are quite shocking. Aid to Israel has been steadily increasing since Curtiss compiled his report. So if the amount of aid was shocking then, it is more shocking now as are the devious methods implemented to secure such aid.

All of that, however, underlines the weakness of Israel and its dependence on handouts.

To get an appreciation of that weakness, just imagine what would have happened to Israel had it been subjected to the same sanctions that were imposed on Iran.

As a minimum, such sanctions would have turned Israel into a peace-loving nation. I know some may argue that nothing can turn Israel into a peace-loving nation, but I like to be the optimist in this case.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 11:03 am
More recent - from a site that is definitely pro-Zionist - about loan guarantees:

When Congress approved the initial $9 billion in 2003, however, they included a stipulation the guarantees could not be used to get loans for money the government uses to build and enhance its presence over the "Green Line" in the West Bank. Moreover, the annual guarantees are reduced by the amount equal to the estimated value of Israeli activities in the disputed territories.

From 2003 to 2011, just under $1.1 billion was subtracted from the overall $9 billion guarantees as that is what Israel was estimated to have spent on infrastructure in the West Bank.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Israeli Treasury director-general Doron Cohen signed an agreement in October 2012 that will extend U.S. loan guarantees to Israel to 2016. The agreement, gives Israel four more years to use $3.8 billion in guarantees left over from the $9b. in guarantees granted in 2003.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 11:14 am
That is the Jewish Virtual Library's latest information ...
NB "Over the past decade, the United States has again promised Israel its support in building its economy. Loan guarantees are just one of the ways this is accomplished with the least amount of negative repercussions to the American taxpayer." .... JUST ONE OF THE WAYS

The Jewish Virtual Library also reported $ 15 million in aid from the US in 2014, for Refugee resettlement aid, earmarked for the Jewish Agency/United Israel Appeal to help transport and resettle immigrants in Israel.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 12:31 pm

URGENT

I just got this e-mail alert from Jewish Voice for Peace

“Thank you so much for signing our letter to Secretary Kerry asking him to prevent the demolition of Susiya. Already over 22,000 people have signed on, and we've delivered them all to the State Department.
But the latest reports are that Susiya remains in imminent danger, with demolition rumored to begin Wednesday.
Our best bet at this point is to create the biggest media story we can - the Israeli government is much less likely to act if they think people are paying attention.”

The following link was embedded in the email – please visit:

Video by Jewish Voice for Peace in Susya: This video shows the heart-breaking reality of the the occupation

 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 9:18 pm
Please share that number with us so everyone else can be SHOCHED as well!
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 9:19 pm
That may be impossible! So let's try for SHOCKED instead!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 2:38 am
Sam - Barbara should know something about the numbers - she personally has accounted for some 100 new members in recent weeks ... which would also account for about 99 alternative Barbaras who have been "vanished" ... That would certainly swell the numbers to "shocking" levels if each of her profiles were to be counted as a different person!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 6:51 am
Assumingly I didn't miss much not seeing comments that got deleted...
But getting back to that Curtiss report, the link Evelyn left above (
The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers -thanks so much Evelyn) that is a MIND BLOWING MUST READ for everyone!

When you've finished, try to answer to yourselves that question in the last paragraph there!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 6:56 am
I'll c/p it here for you, but do read the entire report!

"Even excluding all of these extra costs, America's $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli.

It would be interesting to know how many of those American taxpayers believe they and their families have received as much from the U.S. Treasury as has everyone who has chosen to become a citizen of Israel. But it's a question that will never occur to the American public because, so long as America's mainstream media, Congress and president maintain their pact of silence, few Americans will ever know the true cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers."
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That is the world's only big fat baby after having been breast-fed for 66 years which inevitably turns every baby into a monster!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 11:29 am

Angelika - you didn't miss anything. Just went through the comments (coming to my email) ... not even KG1 level.

Thanks a lot for c/p these 2 para from Evelyn's link - I know you saw the posting re the water situation near Chicago ... imagine how much one could do with this money for the American citizens?! but I'm sure people with Bob A's mindset don't mind to fork out this money! They must love it otherwise they would oppose, wouldn't they?

Your last sentence deserves to be frames!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 11:33 am

Sam - how come your threads attracts whining cry-babies all the time? You must be doing something wrong ... or right?

Thanks Evelyn for the reminder about the WRMEA article and the report; I read it quite some time ago and remember that I was simply shocked way back then. Would anyone happen to have an update re the numbers? Would be interesting although I don't know if I'm up to yet another shock?!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 1:29 pm
I posted 2014 figures above (Monday July 20, 2015, 10:38 am) ... they don't include the additional transfer last summer.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 2:36 pm

Sorry Evelyn - overlooked your answer to Penny. Thanks!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 3:50 pm
Here's some news about who ISN'T happy at all with this deal

AIPAC forms new group to oppose Iran deal

Anti-Iran Deal AIPAC Spin-off Relies on Iranian Ex-Terrorist Group

YouTube Video

According to the Times report, Citizens for a Nuclear Free Iran will spend approximately $20 million on its advocacy, including advertising in 30 to 40 states.

“This will be a sizable and significant national campaign on the flaws in the Iran deal”

 

Sam H (410)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 4:09 pm
That's why Iran should use some of those 100 billion dollars to neutralize their effort. I bet this spin-off is meant to solicit money from the Saudis. The Saudis can't give money directly to AIPAC, but they can flood this new organization with a ton of money. This way the Saudis and the Israelis don't have to wait until they agree on Jerusalem to cooperate. They're already in agreement on the Iran deal.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 22, 2015, 4:19 pm
They probably already HAVE flooded them with the cash needed for the 247 media contracts already secured to air that ad.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:53 am
Little problem (already embarrassing AIPAC) - they've partnered with a group classified as terrorist: MEK (organised the press conference at the start of the video) !!- Saudi might hesitate ...

See also the discussion on Anti-Iran Deal AIPAC Spin-Off Relies on Iranian Ex-Terrorist Group
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 2:02 am
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Lucie Maccormack (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 7:01 pm
"Here's a funny coindence!! Betty Crocker has 82 recipes using Spam and Sam has 82 comments on his SPAM!!"

Barbara REALLY needs to take her meds!!
 
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