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Sam
- 1281 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Palestinian Christians scuffled with Israeli border police near Bethlehem Wednesday after dozens of them, including priests, gathered to protest renewed work on Israel's West Bank separation barrier in a sensitive Christian area.



   

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Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 1:51 pm
Aha, there we have it: "But, in a new decision on July 6, the court said work could go ahead, ruling that the previous ban referred only to an area of a few hundred metres (yards) alongside the monastery and the convent."

The previous report (your other story) did NOT mention this, assuming they only found out now. Like Evelyn and I stated before, Shaked has the thumb on things making sure Israel gets its way.
Where's the papal support, an official condemnation from the Vatican is the least we could expect, regardless of "loops" in the wall for the monastery.
These villagers' bad luck isn't only being Christians,-"Israel’s freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our values and it is anchored in the law." said Nutyahu-, but they have the misfortune of being Palestinians. And to live on land wanted and taken by all means by the zionist entity.
Evidently no demands to dismantle the illegal apartheid wall neither by the ICC nor the UN are making the slightest difference,... while the crime proceeds into disaster eventually.
Thanks Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 2:08 pm
Sam, forgive me for briefly slipping off but, I feel compelled to quote here from the comments on that article, which I recommend to read! And this goes especially to all the animal advocates our Israel-firster friends claim to be:

There was a quote from a Palestinian farmer that burrowed under my skin.
Gail Vida Hamburg, author:

"Can somebody intervene here? We cannot get through the Israeli fence to our land. All the sheep owned by the village are going to starve. Many of our ewes have miscarried. We cannot bear to watch. You know when birds get stuck in oil slicks or whales get beached, everybody rushes to help them. Maybe helping the Palestinians is complicated. But if the world could help the sheep, that should be simple ..."
----------------
"Please help the Palestinian sheep, or is the world against the Palestinian sheep too. How about the Palestinian cows and chicken and pigeons. Do you believe in kindness and compassion to all creation or just selective. Do you believe in Human rights and Democracy or just animal rights and hypocracy ? "
 

Eleonora O (37)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 4:31 pm

Thanks Sam! Dare I call this anti-Semitism as it is directed against Christian Arabs (Palestinians) ...?? And all those upright defenders of the "Christian minorities" in Arab countries ... are obviously on summer vacation and only make an appearance when they can bash Islam and the "anti-Semites" ... while the persecution of the Christians in Israel and true anti-Semitism flies under their radar!! I suggest they should buy a new radar system ...
 

Eleonora O (37)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 4:32 pm

Angelika - you've used up all the stars already ... **************************

 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 5:32 pm
^No way, Eleonora, I NEVER use up all my stars! And you're right, of course that's anti-Semitism. But I wouldn't place so much importance on those you suspect on summer vacation, in fact, zero importance to even mention them.
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 5:51 pm
Anti 'Christian' attitudes, go back a long time...

I would call it 'anti semitism', Eleonora, possibly, anti gentilism, as well?

Nice story, Angelika.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 6:49 pm
Israel is hell bent on abusing all who are non Jews period---nothing learned from WW2 which baffles the mind. thx Sam
 

Rose B (141)
Thursday August 20, 2015, 11:17 pm
What is wrong with people?
 

Maria Teresa S (42)
Friday August 21, 2015, 12:30 am
Who can still say that this is democracy?
Thanks Sam.
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 2:24 am

You're right, Angelika - I just found a few more Stars to send to you - LOL.

Sure those vacationers are not important ... my remark was just "for the records" ... as I love to keep track of certain things ;-).
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday August 21, 2015, 3:54 am
**************************************************** Angie, Eleonora & Sam

I suspect (?!!!!) that those retreating, vacationing Congress members will not be taken anywhere near these places ... and "security" will be cited as a reason should any single one of those vacationers dare suggest that they'd like to go to Hebron, Beit Jala, the Cremisan Valley, the Church of the Fishes .... They may even not be able to visit Bethlehem (after all, look what Pope Francis did when he went there!!) But would a single one of those vacationers on their "free" vacation (paid by taxpayers) even THINK of trying to see other perspectives??? They probably remain in total ignorance that there are Christians being targetted there .... and self-interest will keep things that way
 

Carol R (11)
Friday August 21, 2015, 7:05 am

Evelyn, Eleonora, Angie and Sam ***********************************

Thanks Sam

A side note: Having some computer problems so it's been kind of hit and miss. Haven't been able to figure what's wrong yet so I think a new laptop is in order. I was waiting for Windows 10 to come out anyway so this is good timing.
We're having a huge fire problem here in Eastern/NE Washington state as well... I'm in the NE corner but we are surrounded by fires and the smoke and ash fallout is terrible. High winds and T-storms are predicted for today and with tinder dry conditions I am packed in case of evacuations. Entire towns have already been evacuated and so many have lost their homes.... as well as 3 firefighters who have lost their lives fighting these fires. Prayers go out to all and a huge thanks to all the thousands of firefighters who have come from all over the country to help us.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 21, 2015, 7:51 am
Be safe, Carol. And don't rush into Windows 10 yet. It seems to have some issues.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 21, 2015, 8:42 am
OMG ..gee Carol, that sounds horrible what you're telling us there, do take care and I hope there'll be no need for evacuation. Stay safe!
Issues with Win 10 Sam? Haven't heard of that and I'm waiting myself to get the download after having cast my reservation many weeks ago.
I share Evelyn's assumptions as for Congress people on a free Israel trip, but I'm pretty sure Eleonora had some quite different "vacationers" in mind..LOL ;)
 

Patrick D (344)
Friday August 21, 2015, 9:46 am
Well done Sam for posting these articles.
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 12:29 pm

Carol - this sound awful. Do take care of yourself and don't take any unnecessary risk! I hope that the situation is getting under control soon - stay safe!!

Say, Angelika ... you sit in Berlin and I in Cairo ... some 5'500 km plus/minus apart ... how do you read my mind bridging such a distance?! Your eye sight is pretty darn good - LOL!!

As for Windows 10 - we had friends for dinner the other night; one of them a Prof of Economy and an IT wiz. He warned profoundly of Windows 10 because of the many flaws and more so the embedded sophisticated spy ware. I can't repeat his detailed arguments (as I have technically no clue really and don't want to make a fool of myself...) but he was convincing enough that I will definitely stay away from it ... although I keep getting pop-up messages from Microsoft to download it for free!
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 12:35 pm

Haha, Evelyn - do you picture these scenes in front of your eye?? As a starter these fine politicians probably wouldn't even know that these cities and places exist. Do you remember when the US lost some 240 Marines in Beirut in 1982? Reagan said that he pulled out the Atlas and was surprised to see how close Lebanon and Israel are ...

Why should they try to see other perspectives? It might upset their peace of mind smoothened by a handsome paycheck ...

Disgusting bunch who claim to represent the American people!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 21, 2015, 12:36 pm
These are the free updates you need to stay away from. With the supposed update you'll be downloading a software that will encrypt all your files. They will then ask for ransom to release your files back to you.
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 12:58 pm

Sam - are you serious? This sounds like highway robbery to me ... or more like kidnapping my files and asking for ransom?!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 21, 2015, 1:05 pm
Well, it's highway robbery either way--by MS or the other crooks!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 21, 2015, 1:09 pm
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-scam-email-will-encrypt-your-files-for-ransom/
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 2:14 pm

Thanks Sam - noted and passed it on. It's rather scary at least to me ...
 

Sam H (410)
Friday August 21, 2015, 3:11 pm
Did you expect anything less scary from me? Before you know it, I'll be arming dolphins! *wink*
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 21, 2015, 3:15 pm
I've been aware of all that BUT this ONLY applies for free downloads that come as an EMAIL attachment, a SCAM, as Sam correctly said! That is where the malware and encryption isincluded. It is NOT true for the original W10 upgrade one gets-after a previous reservation for it- directly from the M$ server.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday August 21, 2015, 11:05 pm
Off the theme of the article, but following on the Windows 10 ...
A very tech savvy friend warned me that Microsoft plans to end the updates/ servicing of other programmes (such as Windows 7) as soon as possible, and adopt Apple's system of one OS ..... so we'll be forced to take the 10 option.

But he also said "only accept the basic programme, reject ALL the optional extras which are included as default option. Which means looking very carefully for a little box, left hand side, that has some unremarkable label like "other" - then untick ALL the list of optional extras which may well cause hiccups & slow things down. ...
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 11:47 pm

Angelika - I got a reply back from my friend and he says to keep my hands off of the ORGINAL Windows 10. He wasn't aware of that Scam. His words were "your belly will be wide open and there's nothing you can do". Already now there's not much anymore we can do to protect our data on the computers but at least there's still something.

We'll see ...
 

Eleonora O (37)
Friday August 21, 2015, 11:47 pm

Sam, I hope you don’t mind me putting this update on Netanyahu’s arrest (not) here? And btw ... you haven't managed to scare me ;-) ... yet!!

I got this email update this morning - you might be interested. Would anyone have expected anything different???

Why do we have the ICC? Why do we spend money on that organization? To only go after those who the West has dropped as the useful idiots that they are?

And just as a reminder: does anyone recall the outcry of the US (camouflaged as international outcry) when the Sudanese President Omar al Bashir was visiting South Africa for a summit a few weeks ago and he was NOT arrested? He was naturally assured of immunity and yet the "whole world" was whining because he was not arrested for crimes against humanity!

Then the very same international law did NOT apply?!?! How much does polit-Israel pay these governments?? Or should I rather ask - what does polit-Israel hold over the heads of those people?

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Benjamin Netanyahu to be arrested for war crimes when he arrives in London”.

Government responded:

Under UK and international law, visiting heads of foreign governments, such as Prime Minister Netanyahu, have immunity from legal process, and cannot be arrested or detained.

The British Government has invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as head of the Israeli Government, to visit the UK in September. Under UK and international law, certain holders of high-ranking office in a State, including Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs are entitled to immunity, which includes inviolability and complete immunity from criminal jurisdiction.

We recognise that the conflict in Gaza last year took a terrible toll. As the Prime Minister said, we were all deeply saddened by the violence and the UK has been at the forefront of international reconstruction efforts. However the Prime Minister was clear on the UK’s recognition of Israel’s right to take proportionate action to defend itself, within the boundaries of international humanitarian law. We condemn the terrorist tactics of Hamas who fired rockets on Israel, built extensive tunnels to kidnap and murder, and repeatedly refused to accept ceasefires. Israel, like any state, has the right to ensure its own security, as its citizens also have the right to live without fear of attack.

The UK consistently urged Israel to do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties, to exercise restraint, and to help find ways to bring the situation to an end. The UK continues to urge the parties to give priority to reaching a durable solution for Gaza which addresses the underlying drivers of conflict, and to take the necessary practical steps to ensure Gaza’s reconstruction and economic recovery.

We welcome the fact that Israel is conducting internal investigations into specific incidents during Operation Protective Edge. Where there is evidence of wrongdoing those responsible must be held accountable whatever their position in society. Both parties must also demonstrate robust and credible internal investigations which are in line with international standards. We have also encouraged the Israeli authorities, as we do all countries, to cooperate with the independent Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) regarding the preliminary examination into the situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 13 June, 2014, whilst noting that Israel is not a State Party to the ICC.

The UK is a close friend of Israel and we enjoy an excellent bilateral relationship, built on decades of cooperation between our two countries across a range of fields. Our priority for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains the achievement of a two-state solution, based on 1967 borders. We continue to believe that negotiations will be necessary in order to achieve this, and that both parties need to focus on steps that are conducive to peace. The UK Government will reinforce this message to Mr Netanyahu during his visit.

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John D (36)
Tuesday September 1, 2015, 1:54 pm
Rubbish. The Christian population of Israel is increasing year on year. The Christian population of areas under the control of the Palestinian Authority is decreasing year on year.
Christians in other parts of the Middle East are being murdered and ethnically cleansed by Muslim extremists.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday September 2, 2015, 1:43 am
That's not what the Christians say in Palestine & Israel.
It suits your view of the world to make sweeping categorical statements that have a very little truth and a lot of warping bias that feeds fear & hate & intolerance.

Christians in Palestine are migrating because of Israeli (especially settler) abuse with the Occupation, not because of any of their fellow Palestinians of whatever religion - see Kairos Palestine - a moment of truth
As Palestinian Christians we hope that this document will provide the turning point to focus the efforts of all peace-loving peoples in the world, especially our Christian sisters and brothers. We hope also that it will be welcomed positively and will receive strong support, as was the South Africa Kairos document launched in 1985, which, at that time proved to be a tool in the struggle against oppression and occupation. We believe that liberation from occupation is in the interest of all peoples in the region because the problem is not just a political one, but one in which human beings are destroyed.
 

Eleonora O (37)
Wednesday September 2, 2015, 3:13 pm

Well put, Evelyn. We should also not forget that it was for a very long time practice (mainly by the US, CDN and AUS) to give Palestinian Christians without hesitation immigration visa whereas for Palestinian Muslims it was very difficult ... until a turning point when it was made clear that generous immigration visa would "ease" the burden on Israel. It was a similar situation with the Egyptian Copts vs Egyptian Muslims. Today they use the relatively high numbers of Egyptian Christians abroad as a "proof" of persecution. It would be a laugh if it weren't so sad and see through.
 

Eleonora O (37)
Wednesday September 2, 2015, 3:33 pm

BTW - Evelyn, there are also these 2 interesting articles worth reading although not quite in line with John's claim:

Why Christians are leaving occupied Palestine
"As a result of Al Nakba in 1948, Al Naksa in 1967 and many other wars on the Palestinian people, the majority of Palestinian Christians have been forced to flee and seek refuge in neighbouring countries and abroad. To put this in numbers, before 1922, the total percentage of Christians living within the borders of the Palestinian territory was 4% but in 2005, it was estimated that the percentage of Palestinian Christians living in the Palestinian territories has dropped down to from 3.4% to 2.1%."

Christian Population in Israel Growing, Mostly Among Arabs

Why does the police have to intervene?

How are Christian tourists treated by some Jews in Israel?

Israeli Settlers brag


 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday September 3, 2015, 8:49 am
Eleonora - another factor for consideration: Christians have long since tended to have smaller families ... and over almost a century (since 1922), this would also have a distinct impact on demographics ... an average of 2-3 children per Christian family, compared to 3-5 for Muslim families .... that gives a greater increase among the Muslim Palestinian population (which is what worries Israelis who oppose categorically a "One State solution"!). Active family planning services (through the Palestinian Family Planning & Protection Association - formerly "Jordan FPPA - West Bank") was bringing down the average female fertility rate in the WB, East Jerusalem & Gaza, but there was a swing around due to increased youth mortality during the First Intifada .....

The trend has now reverted towards smaller families again, but the larger Muslim population base means that the proportions of Christians still continue to diminish ... not because the Muslims kill them, drive them out but because there's a smaller base reproducing ...

And some of that base migrate, or marry a foreigner ... & then such women either lose their right to return to the family home (except as short term visitors - coming over from Jordan ... when they're allowed through) or have to allow their foreign husband to leave them behind ..... This applies to Muslims as well ... but when the population is smaller, each "case" carries more statistical weight ...
 

Eleonora O (37)
Thursday September 3, 2015, 4:22 pm

Well said, Evelyn, nothing more to add!
 
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