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Bibi Netanyahu Falsifies History -- Once Again


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Sam
- 1202 days ago - huffingtonpost.com
Netanyahu was forced to retract his lies that it was a Palestinian leader, rather than Adolph Hitler, who came up with the idea of exterminating the Jews. But that was neither his first lie nor his last. A 60 Minutes reporter testifies to that.



   

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Teresa W (782)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 1:42 pm
noted, thank you
 

Steve D (13)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 1:49 pm
The second part of this article is quite tragic, if only that truth was more widely known
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 3:50 pm
A pathological liar like him knows no limits, if it serves his purpose.
They want to see their flag flying on Temple Mount? Well, convert to Islam!

(On a separate note, had I not already been sickened by the Nutyahoo from start, I surely would be now: you'd think every decent leader would send their condolences to Mr Putin for the tragic loss of 224 lives, most did. Not so the Nutyahoo ..no jewish lives lost. Neither did Obama btw)
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 4:12 pm
They’re just avoiding the appearance of hypocrisy when it turns out that they had something to do with the downing of the plane!
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 8:31 pm
As can be expected, a bunch of lies above. Here is the truth:

(JTA) — The Jewish student organization Hillel Russia mourned a former program director who died aboard a Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt.

Anna Tishinskaya, 27, was en route from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg aboard a charter flight operated by the Russian Kogalymavia airline when it crashed in the Sinai Peninsula on Saturday. All 224 passengers, most of them Russian tourists, died, Egyptian officials said.

Tishinskaya “was part of the family,” even though she no longer worked for Hillel, the group said. “Anya, you were incredibly talented, swift, fearless, sincere, kind and bright. You were a truly extraordinary person,” the statement read.

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Tishinskaya graduated from St. Petersburg State University, where she studied history, according to a report on the Russian-language website isrageo.com. She took part in the activities of Hillel Russia and the Israeli Culture Center in St. Petersburg, where she was organizing events as late as 2012.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 9:11 pm
You nailed it, Alexa! Now you convinced us that Netanyahu is not a liar!
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 9:55 pm
Noted. Thank you Sam.
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday November 3, 2015, 9:56 pm
You're most welcome Sam .. Anytime .. Just ask and I will happily share more truths ..
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 5:53 am
Oh please spare us further truths Alexa! That also goes for "Breaking news", perhaps improve your c/p skills.
But I do apologise for having assumed-a mere guess, sorry!- that the flight had no jewish passenger on board
I had no idea hillel were even active in Russia. But, then the fact .there were also 3, some news says 4 Ukrainians on the flight should have made me more cautious given the number of jews still in Ukraine. Those who the Nutyahoo hasn't managed yet to lure for making Aliyah.
Sorry for the off-topic excusion Sam!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 6:01 am
Where's the rest of lies from that "bunch" now?? Could Alexa address the topic of the article? And debunk lies about Nutyahoo, against and despite the overwhelming evidence as written there?
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 7:59 am
More truth specially for you Angelika, since you asked (always happy to help spreading the truth):

Netanyahu did not, however, retract claims that during their meeting in 1941, al-Husseini called on Hitler to “burn the Jews.”

“The questions about the mufti shouldn’t be directed at me,” said Netanyahu during the press conference with Merkel. “The questions should be directed to President Abbas. Why do he and the Palestinian Authority officially glorify the mufti and call him the father of the Palestinian people? It’s important to see what they’re doing in textbooks as well. During the twenties, the Mufti also said that the Jewish people want to damage the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and it was as much a lie then as it is today. Therefore we must ask Abbas – why do you glorify him?”

Ha'aretz
 

Lona G (66)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 8:07 am
Most historians who were interviewed after Netanyahu tried to put the blame for the holocaust on a Palestinian Mufti mentioned that Netanyahu had little trouble falsifying history to suit himself, so I wasn't surprised by another example, but I was by the amount of cover up deemed necessary to make deny it and make people forget it.

But it is just as with the lies and falsifications of history of (too) many Republican politicians in America. By now the lies, myths and falsifications don't surprise any more, it seems to be the norm for right-wing politicians everywhere. However, what keeps on surprising is the fact that people still buy into each and every one of them, gladly and without question, apparently because this is what they want to hear, not the truth.
 

Janis K (129)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 1:01 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 1:17 pm
And the lies thicken .. (Apart from conveniently mostly interviewing historians with an opposite opinion to Bibi) ..

The truth of what the dispute truly is about:

NO historian can deny the official transcript of the final documented meeting between the grand mufti and Hitler, unless they are of the holocaust denier-type historians obviously ..

The dispute came about because the final meeting between the grand mufti and hitler happened 6 months after hitler already started to implement his 'final solution' .. Therefore some historians interpret this to mean than the grand mufti could not possibly have influenced hitter in his final solution, whereas many other historians, whom Netanyahu referenced say that it's highly likely that the grand mufti and hitter came to an agreement over a few months, before they signed that final agreement, thus, considering the grand mufti's public statements of 'kill the Jews' long before this, it's highly likely that the grand mufti influenced him regards the final solution ..

 

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 2:40 pm
Well said Lona
 

fly b (26)
Wednesday November 4, 2015, 4:12 pm
liar, liar, pants on fire- the yahu doesn't want the world to focus on the cause of Palestinian human rights violations (the illegal occupation), but wants to deceive the world into focusing on the 'solution', i.e., more U.S $$$$$ and unending pity plays for Israel, while it steals more and more Palestinian resources, homes and lands and settles Palestinian territories ...

Beware of scheisters - Netanyahu, one of the biggest of them all!

@Alexa - Enough of the 'highly likely' bull do do.
You are in error, if you think you can always try and dupe people to swallow hasbara/Zionist rubbish, i.e. lies and pathetic spin.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 7:33 am
Alexa, you should know by now that the Judeophobes spread lies and propaganda and that the real truth is the first casualty.

jess whitters on about occupied land but fails to know where it is.

And Freya cannot come up with anything relevant other than personal insults towards Alexa. If you are objecting to something said then put forward evidence. As you obviously can't then insult.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 7:43 am
I also note that not one of you has condemned the Palestinian attacks on Israelis nor the incitement to violence by Palestinian leaders, especially Abbas and imams.

I can only assume the deaths of Israelis are of no interest to the Judeophobes nor the mental/emotional abuses on the Palestinians.

 

Roberto MARINI (88)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 7:53 am
Netanyahu should resign
 

John De Avalon (36)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 8:34 am
At least he alerted to the world the Nazi sympathies and poisonous, twisted philosophy of the Grand Mufti.
He made a united Palestine impossible with his threat to exterminate all Jews. The King of Jordan disliked the Grand Mufti and felt threatened by his nationalistic rabble-rousing rhetoric. That's why Jordan invaded, occupied and annexed the West Bank. (from the Palestinians)
 

John De Avalon (36)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 8:37 am
Google - Daily Mail Palestinians burn US and UK flags on Balfour Declaration anniversary ....

 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 9:17 am
John, the teaching of history is selective. It is well known that al-Husseini was a sympathiser who encouraged the Jewish Holocaust because he didn't want Jews in the Middle East after the end of WWII. It is also well known that al-Husseini brought in thousands of Muslims for the SS.

It is also well known that the Polish Jews helped win WWII for the Allies and died bravely after a week of holding up 3 Panzer divisions with virtually no weapons or food.

Which group would any sensible person support? Which group do the Judeophobes support?

History is being rewritten by the Judeophobes because the truth hurts.

Perhaps Angelika should read the history of HER country and be ashamed of the massacres that her people perpetrated and not just on Jews. 15 million people are now believed to have gone through the camps, gays, mentally ill, disabled, blacks, conscientious objectors and anyone else that the Nazis felt like putting through. An appalling and murderous part of any country's history.


 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 9:19 am
Forgot to add, where is the condemnation of the ethnic cleansing of Jews in the Middle East after WWII?

Where is the condemnation of the ethnic cleansing/murders/abuses/rapes/forced conversation and enslavement of any other minority by the Muslims across the Middle East?
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 10:33 am
Here's the biggest problem in the story:

Ha'Aretz reported that Netanyahu made the claim and this was backed by Herzog. That's like trusting Fox News and the RNC for all your information about Obama. Looking at the real transcript of his speech as recorded when he gave it, he never claimed that the Mufti influenced Hitler. What he claimed was that the Mufti used, in an argument in an attempt to persuade Hitler, the same lies being told by the PA today.

Just to be clear, I strongly doubt that the Mufti could have influenced Hitler: He was an Arab, not, in Nazi terminology, an "Aryan". The Nazis likely saw the Mufti as a useful pawn, to be appeased for the moment as he could mobilize in the Middle East to tie down British and French forces there, and only to be killed along with other Arabs once his usefulness was over. Of course, that does not mean he and Hitler were not on the same page when it comes to treatment of Jews. The fact that they were is the reason he became a useful pawn. There was a causative relation between their agreement and their association, but it was their agreement that caused the association, not the other way around.

Regarding incitement prior to Rabin's death: Yigal Amir and his associates were of a fringe-faction rejected almost universally within Israeli society, not a popular movement. Incitement by political leaders, particularly of major parties, drives popular movements and support for them. The profile of the killing and response to it were all wrong for it to be blamed on incitement from Likud which, while certainly a religious party, is not among the fringe-religious parties.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 10:36 am
It was not until July 18th 1991, nine months after the tragic affair, that an Israeli Judge, Ezra Kama, released the results of an extensive independent inquiry. It was the police not the Palestinians, said the judge, who provoked the violence. Some of the shooting deaths, he said, were clearly unjustified and in those cases, he labeled the police explanation that they had opened fire out of fear for their lives "exaggerated and strange."

Despite the deaths of 17 Palestinians and the wounding of at least 150 others, there was no call for anyone to be punished. And none was.

A few days later, Abe Foxman, president of the anti-Defamation League, who had originally fired off a lengthy memo attacking our broadcast, sent a new memo to Don Hewitt:
"Judge Kama rejects some of the claims the officials made and came closer to some of the conclusions raised by 60 Minutes. On that basis, while I still have some problems with the methodology 60 Minutes used, I want to publicly apologize to you, Mike, and the staff of 60 Minutes"

In my view, the broadcast on the Temple Mount was the best investigative report I ever did with Mike Wallace. It received no awards. Nor, unlike many other reports we had done, was it ever run again in the summer repeat season. Abe Foxman's generous letter, for which he received a good deal of flak from within his own organization, was never made public by CBS.

The tragic killings of those 17 Palestinians a quarter century ago was just a presage of much more grisly horrors to come.
 

Janet B (0)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 1:42 pm
Thanks
 

M B (62)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 2:52 pm
Thank you
 

fly b (26)
Thursday November 5, 2015, 5:41 pm
Baxter, the one, who refuses to know what land is occupied, and where it is, is you...

Some complain about their lot, incessantly, using violence, lies, exploiting and manipulating others to get the upper hand. One day, perhaps, the lesson will sink in.

Hypocrites and scumbags, who tread on the human rights and lives of others, to get the 'good life', for themselves, will get their comeuppance, one of these days.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday November 6, 2015, 1:22 pm
Jess: Isn't that exactly what Hamas are doing? And what their corrupt predecessors did before them.
 

fly b (26)
Saturday November 7, 2015, 7:48 pm
Long answer: No.

Short answer: No
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 5:25 am
I agree with Penny:

Support for Nazism was not limited to the former Mufti. Here are some quotes from Arab leaders on Hitler, and Nazism:

“We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books . . . . We were the first who thought of [an Arab] translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism,” recalled Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of Syria’s ruling Ba’ath Party.

Indeed, a popular WWII song was heard in the Middle East featuring words: Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler – in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler. Picking up the theme of the book, posters were put up in Arab markets and elsewhere proclaiming, “In heaven Allah is thy ruler; on earth Adolph Hitler.”
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 5:28 am
[Aryan Nation Leader]: ‘You say they’re terrorists, I say they’re freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our peoples’ heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father, who they call Allah.’ ”

How a mosque for ex-Nazis became the center of Radical Islam-
“The Mosque’s history, however, tells a more-tumultuous story. Buried in government and private archives are hundreds of documents that trace the battle to control the Islamic Center of Munich. Never before made public, the material shows how radical Islam established one of its first and most important beachheads in the West when a group of ex-Nazi soldiers decided to build a mosque.”
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 6:01 am
source
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 6:28 am
Jess: On the contrary, that is exactly what they are doing, have been doing and will no doubt continue to do.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 6:35 am
Hitler's deep-rooted anti-Semitism is well known. It's a well worn tactic of nationalist leaders. Single out a defenceless scapegoat, demonize them, blame them for the nation's ills, promise to "save" the nation, and then the gates of hell are opened ...

That being said, the Arabs had perfected the art of genocide long before the Nazis emerged from the Darkness.
The Greek Genocide, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide ...
I suspect this is where the Nazis drew their inspiration from.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 6:39 am
The Grand Mufti is the real villain in all this. The UN decided to partition the Palestinian Protectorate. They saw no alternative. And who can disagree with their decision? You cannot set down two groups of people in a new state where one side has vowed to exterminate the other.
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 8:19 am
While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The man then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib," Volume 1, Book 3, Number 63. Narrated Anas bin Malik.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday November 8, 2015, 4:07 pm
Hi Ross :)

Rabin and Netanyahu were each other's primarily political opponents. It is no surprise that Netanyahu would oppose Rabin on matters of policy as that was kind of his job. Not only that, but because these were the leaders of the two primary parties in Israeli politics at the time, their disagreements would be the focus of Israeli domestic politics. Netanyahu, regardless of whether he was moderate or extremist, would attract anti-Rabin right-wing extremists just as Rabin, regardless of his actual positions and beliefs, attracted anti-Netanyahu left-wing extremists. This is like how, in the U.S., Occupy Wall Street got the American Nazi Party's endorsement: Even if an organization is hierarchical enough to keep nutcases away from power, it cannot really stop crazy people from voicing their support.

Ha'Aretz's article about beliefs regarding Amir is just plain wrong. Its numbers are completely off, as demonstrated in the latest election. Israel runs a representation-by-population system and has parties which cater to specific demographics (a concept I oppose in general, but that is another story), and, with pretty constant voter-turnout across demographic groups now, that gives us a good estimate of the country's demographics. Alexa could probably give much better information on this than I can, but from the seat-numbers, it looks like that "30%" in the article is just made up. In reality, it looks a whole lot closer to about 23% (27 / 120 seats going to religious parties), but is likely even lower as JH caters to settlers as well and Shas is known for selling its votes in exchange for support for certain institutions and not-entirely-religious communities. My understanding is that the number is probably closer to 20%. It might also be relevant to note that the hard-religious demographic is not the one which Likud, Netanyahu's party, courts for votes. I wouldn't trust Ha'Aretz on anything related to Israeli domestic politics.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday November 9, 2015, 4:53 am
"BTW I don't get Sheldon Adelson's Israel HaYom delivered so I don't get "balanced" reading. "
That must be it, Ros! :-)) Sadly, We're only left with something useful for "waste wrapper" or "bath mat" .. ;-)
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday November 9, 2015, 5:25 am
Either way you wish to read it Ros.
As for the rest you say there, umm, looks like you've not enabled an adblocker to hide those outbrain ads. .that's what it seems to be..-?( those "recommended by outbrain" ads, usually (outrageously) embedded WITHIN a C2 post and most often sex/porn related. I disabled that long time ago so cannoot say for sure what you see and refer to
 

Farah Hage Ali (155)
Monday November 9, 2015, 6:31 am
Noted, thank you for sharing
This is politics and Politicians are willing and capable of doing anything that can justify their deeds. lying is a common act and shared worldwide.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday November 10, 2015, 8:57 pm
Hi Ross :)

I don't get any Israeli paper delivered. I just check them out online.

The ANP endorsed OWS because both opposed the interests of the finance-sector, though likely for different reasons. It's the same sort of thing: Crazy factions, even with nothing in common with any mainstream group, will often attend rallies, volunteer, and vote for a mainstream party because it opposes something they also oppose. In the Israeli case, it sounds like a crazy "Kill Rabin" crowd supporting Likud just because they both opposed Rabin. Do you know the date of the event where they showed up or have any other information which might let us find the transcript of Netanyahu's speech? I am interested in finding out whether he was actually courting them, or just couldn't keep them out.

Hi Angelika :)

I know it's funny, but access to different sources really is a serious matter. I have found that the vast majority of people are stuck in one political echo-chamber or another. For an idea of one of the others where I sometimes show up, take a look over here, where I showed up as a silly liberal and kicked up an anthill:
http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/11/02/politics/service-guarantees-citizenship/#1
When was the last time you visited a site like that and really read what they had to say not only to see what the other side is saying but to consider their arguments? How often do you think most Care2 posters cross over like that? Issues relating to Israel and the Palestinians really bring out the importance of getting out of the echo-chamber because one narrative is built upon the belief that differences of behaviour are driven primarily by differences of culture while the opposing one is built on the belief that they are built primarily on differences of environment. Once one belief or the other is adopted and upheld in the way that only really happens in such echo-chambers, everything said by the other side ceases to even make sense, let alone be at all persuasive. This is a large part of why it's such a divisive issue.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday November 11, 2015, 3:30 am
Hi Stephen,
sorry to say but, you got me completely lost with your remarks . ? I have no clue what exactly you're referring to (as being funny) and why you would even address me on this and the other matter about "echo chambers"?
Assumingly you categorize C2 as an "echo chamber", or Ha'aretz, or what?

As for that link you provide and your comment there, I would even disagree with you on that (only saw one, have no intention to look for more in a military forum) since, as a pacifist, I don't believe a tank protects "vital national interests", while an ambulance undoubtably does! A tank CREATES the need to protect national interests and that is what it's all about IMO.;)

Think I should stop tracking here :) We do have quite an overwhelming number of other issues currently, god knows!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday November 11, 2015, 9:42 am
Hi Ross :)

That's us in the picture. I do remember seeing a documentary like that, but that was many years ago so I don't remember much of the contents, just a bit about how the assassination itself was carried out. I'll try to find the public speeches Netanyahu gave that year and see if I can find a match.

Hi Angelika :)
I don't consider Care2 or Ha'Aretz to constitute an echo-chamber on their own. Here's an idea of what I'm talking about: It's a whole lot easier to lose trust than to build it, so private press-agencies target an audience and play to its preconceived notions because they are more likely to be believed if they do so. This split populations into groups that will believe one set of agencies, the ones that play to their beliefs, and reject others, especially on politically charged issues because, as I have noted on Care2 a few times, the core of the Western political division is at the root of analysis of issues. The problem is that this has been happening on a massive scale for multiple generations, so the journalists have now been raised inside these echo-chambers, having their group's beliefs echoed back to them their entire lives.

I can't even list all of the agencies that fit into a single echo-chamber because there are so many frankly interchangeable ones. A person could get news from a dozen agencies and still see only a single spin and a single narrative which may or may not have much to do with reality on any given issue. For example, people could follow MSNBC, Ha'Aretz, the LA Times, the NYT, and a few similar ones designed to target audiences with the same preexisting beliefs an echo each other's stories, and still see nothing like they would if they would if they checked out PJMedia. Getting out of an echo-chamber is about getting different and independent sources, not just multiple agencies.

You're right. There are a lot of other issues flaring up right now. See you on another thread! :)

I also agree that a tank creates the need to protect national interests. I just think it's a tank owned by a hostile force, not that nation's own army, that does is. :D
 
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