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Sam
- 1096 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Israel is using its world-leading expertise in cyber security to take on the growing threat of the global pro-Palestinian movement to boycott Israel.



   

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fly bird (26)
Wednesday February 17, 2016, 10:59 pm
What goes around, comes around...

Not in my name.

Thanks, Sam.
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday February 17, 2016, 11:46 pm
What Nelson Mandela Said About Israel and the Palestinians.

In 2001, Nelson Mandela wrote to the US columnist Thomas Friedman an open letter about the state of Israel, which he believed was racist and organised on the basis of Apartheid policies.

Dear Thomas,

I know that you and I long for peace in the Middle East, but before you continue to talk about necessary conditions from an Israeli perspective, you need to know what�s on my mind. Where to begin? How about 1964.Let me quote my own words during my trial. They are true today as they were then: �I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.�

Today the world, black and white, recognize that Apartheid has no future. In South Africa it has been ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. That mass campaign of defiance and other actions could only culminate in the establishment of Democracy.

Perhaps it is strange for you to observe the situation in Palestine or more specifically, the structure of political and cultural relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, as an Apartheid system. This is because you incorrectly think that the problem of Palestine began in 1967. This was demonstrated in your recent column �Bush�s First Memo� in the New York Times on March 27, 2001.

You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of Palestinian refugees. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established �normally� and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not struggling for a �state� but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.


In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it occupied in 1967; that Settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.

Israel was not thinking of a �state� but of �separation�. The value of separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of Apartheid not only de facto, but also de jure.


Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of �I hate Arabs� and �I wish Arabs would be dead�.

If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 Occupied Territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called �Palestinian autonomous areas� are Bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli Apartheid system.

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel�s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a �Jewish� state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.

Thomas, I�m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I�m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.

When you figure out what you�re about, give me a call.

Quotes from Nelson Mandela about Israel and the Palestinians

�If one has to refer to any of the parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government, because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied [Palestinian] territories, and we don�t regard that as acceptable.� (Nelson Mandela, 1990)

"What we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. Why should there be one standard for one country, especially because it is black, and another one for another country, Israel, that is white." (Nelson Mandela, 2002)

""Why are they [the USA] not seeking to confiscate weapons of mass destruction from their ally Israel?" (Nelson Mandela, 2003)

stopwar.org.uk
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday February 17, 2016, 11:58 pm

Peled, Israeli Son Of Military General, Talks About What Is REALLY Going On In Israel, Historically All The Way Up To Today

ISRAELI VIEW - TALKS ABOUT MISINFORMATION IN MASS MEDIA AND HISTORY OF ISRAEL, PARTITION OF PALESTINE BY UNITED NATIONS

http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/07/miko-peled-israeli-son-of-military.html
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 1:42 am
Great article by Chris Hedges from Truthdig :

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_i_support_the_bds_movement_against_israel_20150726

Posted on Jul 26, 2015

Why I Support the BDS Movement Against Israel

The Palestinians are poor. They are powerless. They have no voice or influence in the halls of power. They are demonized. They do not have well-heeled lobbyists doling out campaign contributions and pushing through pro-Palestinian legislation. No presidential candidate is appealing to donors—as Hillary Clinton did when she sent a letter to media mogul Haim Saban denouncing critics of Israel—by promising to advance the interests of the Palestinian people. Palestinians, like poor people of color in the United States, are expendable.

Justice for Palestine will never come from the traditional governmental institutions or political parties that administer power. These institutions have surrendered to moneyed interests. Justice will come only from us. And the sole mechanism left to ensure justice for Palestine is the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel. Sanctions brought down the apartheid regime of South Africa. And they are what will bring down the apartheid regime of Israel. BDS is nonviolent. It appeals to conscience. And it works.

All Israeli products including Jaffa citrus fruits, Ahava cosmetics, SodaStream drink machines, Eden Springs bottled water and Israeli wine must be boycotted. We must refuse to do business with Israeli service companies. And we must boycott corporations that do business with Israel, including Caterpillar, HP and Hyundai. We must put pressure on institutions, from churches to universities, to divest from Israeli companies and corporations that have contracts with Israel. The struggle against apartheid in South Africa was long and hard. This struggle will be too.

Gaza, a year after Israel carried out a devastating bombing campaign that lasted almost two months, is in ruins. Most of the water is unsafe to drink. There are power outages for up to 12 hours a day. Forty percent of the 1.8 million inhabitants are unemployed, including 67 percent of the youths—the highest youth unemployment rate in the world. Of the 17,000 homes destroyed by Israel in the siege, not one has been rebuilt. Sixty thousand people remain homeless. Only a quarter of the promised $3.5 billion in aid from international donors has been delivered—much of it diverted to the Palestinian Authority, the Israeli puppet regime that governs the West Bank. And no one in Washington—Republican or Democrat—will defy the Israel lobby. No one will call for justice or stay the Israeli killing machine. U.S. senators, including Bernie Sanders, at the height of the Israeli bombardment last summer voted unanimously to defend the Israeli slaughter of a people with no army, navy, air force, mechanized units, artillery or command and control. It was a vote worthy of the old Soviet Union. Every senator held out his or her tin cup to the Israel lobby and chose naked self-interest over justice.

Israel, like the United States, is poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It too is governed by a corrupt oligarchic elite for whom war has become a lucrative business. It too has deluded itself into carrying out war crimes and then playing the role of the victim. Israeli systems of education and the press—again mirrored in the United States—have indoctrinated Israelis into believing that they have a right to kill anyone whom the state condemns as a terrorist. And Israel’s most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists are slandered and censored in their own country, just as American critics such as Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal and Noam Chomsky are in the United States.

Those who become addicted to the wielding of the instruments of war, blinded by hubris and a lust for power, eventually become war’s victims. This is as true for Israel as for the United States.

Israel’s goal is to make life a living hell for all Palestinians, ethnically cleansing as many as it can and subduing those who remain. The peace process is a sham. It has led to Israel’s seizure of more than half the land on the West Bank, including the aquifers, and the herding of Palestinians into squalid, ringed ghettos or Bantustans while turning Palestinian land and homes over to Jewish settlers. Israel is expanding settlements, especially in East Jerusalem. Racial laws, once championed by the right-wing demagogue Meir Kahane, openly discriminate against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians. Ilan Pappe calls the decades-long assault against the Palestinian people “incremental genocide.”

In Gaza, Israel practices an even more extreme form of cruelty. It employs a mathematical formula to limit outside food deliveries to Gaza to keep the caloric levels of the 1.8 million Palestinians just above starvation. This has left 80 percent of the Palestinians in Gaza dependent on Islamic charities and outside aid to survive. And the periodic military assaults on Gaza, euphemistically called “mowing the lawn,” are carried out every few years to ensure that the Palestinians remain broken, terrified and destitute. There have been three Israeli attacks on Gaza since 2008. Each is more violent and indiscriminate than the last. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has said that a fourth attack on Gaza is “inevitable.”

During its 51-day siege of Gaza last summer Israel dropped $370 million in ordinance on concrete hovels and refugee camps that hold the most densely packed population on the planet. Two thousand one hundred four Palestinians were killed. Sixty-nine percent—1,462—were civilians. Four hundred ninety-five were children. Ten thousand were injured. (During the attack six Israeli civilians and 66 soldiers were killed.) Four hundred Palestinian businesses were wiped out. Seventy mosques were destroyed and 130 were damaged. Twenty-four medical facilities were bombed, and 16 ambulances were struck, as was Gaza’s only electrical power plant. Israel tallied it up: 390,000 tank shells, 34,000 artillery shells, 4.8 million bullets. Most of the civilians who died were killed in their homes, many of the victims torn to shreds by flechette darts sprayed from tanks. Children were burned with white phosphorous or buried with their families under rubble caused by 2,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs. Others died from dense inert metal explosive, or DIME, bombs—experimental weapons that send out extremely small, carcinogenic particles that cut through both soft tissue and bone. The Israel Defense Forces, as Amira Hass has reported, consider any Palestinian over the age of 12 to be a legitimate military target. Max Blumenthal’s new book, “The 51 Day War,” is a chilling chronicle of savage atrocities carried out by Israel in Gaza last summer. As horrible as the apartheid state in South Africa was, that nation never used its air force and heavy artillery to bomb and shell black townships.

A report by Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) found Israel killed and injured more civilians with explosive weapons in 2014 than any other country in the world. Hamas’ indiscriminate firing of wildly inaccurate missiles—Finkelstein correctly called them “enhanced fireworks”—into Israel was, as a U.N. report recently charged, a war crime, although the report failed to note that under international law Hamas had a right to use force to defend itself from attack.

The disparity of firepower in the 2014 conflict was vast: Israel dropped 20,000 tons of explosives on Gaza while Hamas used 20 to 40 tons of explosives to retaliate. Israel’s wholesale slaughter of civilians is on a scale equaled only by Islamic State and Boko Haram. Yet Israel, in our world of double standards, is exempted from condemnation in Washington and provided with weapons and billions in U.S. foreign aid to perpetuate the killing. This is not surprising. The United States uses indiscriminate deadly force in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia that outdoes even Israel, leaving behind civilian victims, refugees and destroyed cities and villages in huge numbers.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who during his last election campaign received 90 percent of his money from U.S. oligarchs such as Sheldon Adelson, has internally mounted a campaign of state repression against human rights advocates, journalists and dissidents. He has stoked overt racism toward Palestinians and Arabs and the African migrant workers who live in the slums of Tel Aviv. “Death to Arabs” is a popular chant at Israeli soccer matches. Thugs from right-wing youth groups such as Im Tirtzu routinely beat up dissidents, Palestinians, Israeli Arabs and African immigrants in the streets of Tel Aviv. It is a species of Jewish fascism.

Israel is not an anomaly. It is a window into the dystopian, militarized world that is being prepared for all of us, a world with vast disparities of income and draconian systems of internal security. There will be no freedom for Palestine, or for those locked in our own internal colonies and terrorized by indiscriminate police violence, until we destroy corporate capitalism and the neoliberal ideology that sustains it. There will be no justice for Michael Brown until there is justice for Mohammed Abu Khdeir. The fight for the Palestinians is our fight. If the Palestinians are not liberated none of us will be liberated. We cannot pick and choose which of the oppressed are convenient or inconvenient to defend. We will stand with all of the oppressed or none of the oppressed. And when we stand with the oppressed we will be treated like the oppressed.

Thanks Carol!!
 

Farah Hage Ali (155)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 2:40 am
noted, thank you for sharing
Cyber war is not new for Lebanon and Syria, they are targets and they know that. Israel has collected all the data about the Lebanese people from mobile companies (Alpha and MTC touch) and especially students and political parties.
 

Animae C (507)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 2:42 am
Noted
Thanx Sam
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:25 am
Noted with thanks Sam. Peace.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:26 am

Hi Sam - nice to see you back too!! Are we like ... now they see us ... now they don't - LOL?

The content of the article doesn't really come as a surprise - it was to be expected. The more BDS bites the more it is fought against. The methods are typical for the Zionists - NOT for the Jews - they'd do everything to hold on to what's not theirs.

Just got this video from a friend in TA and it gives us another glimpse of how much BDS hurts the Zionists' "business as usual".

How to Make People Rethink their Negative Opinions on Israel

Enjoy this fast talker ...
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:46 am
THANKS FOR SHARING SAM
 

Janis K (129)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:14 am
Thanks for sharing!
 

Beryl Ludwig (79)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:40 am
Thanks Sam
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:51 am

Sam - a counter voice not trying to hide the ugly truth:

Israel – How Far Gone?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 6:09 am
Sam - perhaps this explains the recent absence of a number of our hasbara friends?
Thanks for posting ...
The fact that they troll & use the media is nothing new. Their hasbara activists have been pirating pro-Palestinian sites for decades (a friend who had an NGO providing assistance to Palestinian refugees had her website pirated several times - supporters or curious visitors would find themselves on a pro-Israel site ... and that was in the 1990s) They also have very high skills in cyper-monitoring. As Farah says, they've been collecting information on Lebanon for ages, too (And many other countries around the world)

Eleonora - both those films are very interesting!! Thanks
 

Lona G (66)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 6:27 am
So much for Israel's loud exclamations that BDS isn't working, LOL. Allotting 26 million to combat negative effects of something that doesn't work, that makes sense, does it?
I wonder how long it will take before our accounts at Care2 are closed or" disappear" for support the BDS movement against Israel.

Thanks, Sam, for sharing.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 9:28 am
Lona *********************************
Exactly my thoughts in the face of this, and the massive mobilisation of political influence groups to illegalise BDS in so-called "free countries"! I wonder if this $26 million is over and above Adelson's contribution of $6 million - to combat a non-violent action that supposedly is ineffective!! (Perhaps the worst part of BDS - from the pro-Zionist, expansionist point of view, IS that it is non-violent, so can't be used easily to show the Palestinians as monsters, and those demanding respect for human rights of Palestinians as "anti-Semitic"
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 12:34 pm

Hahaha Evelyn - do you think they're taking a course to fresh-up their knowledge?! I believe that you're right - BDS is non-violent and that's like a nightmare for polit-Israel. Not the fabric barbaric monsters are made of ...

Lona - your points are very valid. Why would anyone spend money on something that has no effect?! Well - we know what/who was at work if our accounts suddenly vanish.

I for one whole-heartedly support BDS like I advocated the boycott against Apartheid South Africa. They are one and the same and there's nothing illegal in peaceful resistance to a brutal foreign military occupation. Sorry - nobody can sell me that!

Go BDS go!!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 12:47 pm

Evelyn - I assume you're alluding to France when you talk about the "free countries". I signed some days ago an Avaaz petition in that regard. I think it appropriate to be put up here again; it lacks signatures!! Thanks!

France wants to criminalize calls for BDS
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 12:49 pm

This is another interesting article about cyber activities:

Cyberattacks Waned Amid Iran Nuclear Talks, Israeli Officer Says
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 1:44 pm
Eleonora -
Not only France; the UK has made it illegal for municipal & local councils to divest or boycott .... & pressure is on in the US. So called democracies who refuse free speech & free opinions about the State of Israel's policies & strategies, and about Zionist manipulation ....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 2:42 pm

You're right Evelyn - I do remember having signed some time ago petitions re the UK and US. It's a nice confirmation though that BDS bites hard - LOL. Do you remember BD who kept telling us that it doesn't work until she went blue in the face? Wonder sometimes how she's doing ...
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 2:43 pm
The interesting thing is that refer to Israel’s “world-leading expertise in cyber security” instead of its world-leading role in cyber terrorism.
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 2:45 pm
...not to mention its role in old-fashioned terrorism!
 

Kathleen Mireault (211)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:07 pm
Thanks for sharing, Sam. Good to see you again! Love and Blessings...
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:08 pm
Yes Sam - but to be really top in cyber-terrorism, one has to be very expert in cyber skills in general - including cyber-security .... and vice versa! (Top cyber-security experts are very often ex-hackers!!! - same skills needed)
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 3:17 pm
Sadly, Evelyn, those are not only ex-hackers, but current and future ones!
 

Sam H (410)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:01 pm
Hi Eleonora,

Good to see you too!

Just had a chance to watch “How to Make People Rethink their Negative Opinions on Israel.”

Interestingly, there was no mention of any attempt to cause Israel to stop committing its crimes. You’d think that would improve Israel’s image! But instead, they talk about fooling unsuspecting people into thinking that Israel is G-d’s gift to humanity—humanity that they undermine every step of the way. They need to play all these tricks because the “product” they’re selling is rotten to the core! They’re NOT interested in having a decent “product” that sells itself!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:02 pm
Well - when it suits government policy & strategy, Sam .... Yes!
 

Freya H (345)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:28 pm
The Israeli government know that they can play the Jewish Card in order to get away with anything they like. Just stamp swastikas all over anybody who says the least thing against Israel. Jews are not the problem. Even Israelis are not the problem. Rabid Zionists and Netan-yahoo are the problem. Lots of Israelis are sick of the occupation and ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 4:32 pm
Thanks so much Sam
 

Elizabeth Brawn (25)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 6:29 pm
thank you for posting
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Thursday February 18, 2016, 7:24 pm
Noted. Thanks for sharing Sam.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 19, 2016, 1:10 am
Thank god I'm not a decent member :)
And by the way, name me One decent cyber-security state "organization" who doesn't check in care2 :)
This is a very theatrical world from the beginning :)
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday February 19, 2016, 2:43 am

Hi Sam ;-) - cyber-terrorism should not exclude old fashioned one; they compliment each other! Add to that such false flag ops ... or rather under-c0ver acts (?) ... and the package is complete:

Right-wing 'Moles' Targeted Palestinian Laborers on Buses With Israelis

I just saw a posting blaming all too obvious Palestinians for incitement - naturally without any source as usual! - and I can't help but think ... of the many other fake videos we've come across so far.

Yes - the way out of this whole thing would be ... I almost don't dare to spell it out ... genuine peace which entails an end of the occupation, stop all settlements and land and aquifer theft, stop all terror attacks against the Palestinians - in other words: stop being a rogue state and become a decent nation among the nations.

Too much to ask for?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday February 19, 2016, 2:44 am

Freya - absolutely agree with your comment!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:36 am
So what else is new, being an activist all my life, from Vietnam, to Anti Nukes, standing up for the disabled, speaking out for the environment, having Native and Irish heritage......lol as a member of C2 I shall not be consumed by fear.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:45 am

Ros ... Dimitris ....!!! Dimitris - you better change your avatar - you're distracting the ladies here - LOL!!!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:45 am
Oh yes, shall I add, I'm also a Bernie Sanders supporter. Oooooo, hang on, a Democratic Socialist. Well that means to some that as a supporter we may be a Communist sympathizer, insane, trying to destroy capitalism and this Country, are on par with bringing in the next Hitler, blah blah blah. Oh and according to Madeline Albright I'm on my way to hell for not supporting the other Democratic Candidate because she is a woman.

But I
Feel The Bern

And you can always
Talk Bernie To Me
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:47 am

That's the right spirit and I didn't expect anything less from your side, Dandelion. If we get scared into being silent we may as well submit and give up now. Would safe Israel some Shekels and the US some $$ - LOL!! Giving up is definitely not in my book.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:56 am
Dimitris: "Thank god I'm not a decent member :)
And by the way, name me One decent cyber-security state "organization" who doesn't check in care2 :)
This is a very theatrical world from the beginning :)"

Our Greek god has spoken......lol those Greek men. I always heard they had fire. lol Getting a good sun tan I assume. :-)
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 5:51 am
oh là là ;-) Well I don't know if Sam in purple can hold up to Dimitris bronze tan.

 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 7:00 am
Smiley, you're out in the world today
Smiley, you're all on your own
Smiley, hey, they say you're a man today
Boy how you've grown

Yesterday there was laughter and songs to sing
Yesterday we had loving to burn
Yet today there is a war and there's peace to pray
When will they learn

Smiley, you're off to the Asian war
Smiley
And we won't see you smile no more
Smiley
No we won't see you smile no more
No more smiles
No more laughter in the air
No more laughter in the air
Feel the tension in the air
Where is love
Where is love

Smiley, you're out in the world today
Smiley, you're all on your own
Smiley, hey, the family said today
Wish you were home

Smiley, you're off to the Asian war
Smiley
And we won't see you smile no more
Smiley
No we won't see you smile no more
No more smiles
No more laughter in the air
No more laughter in the air
Feel the tension in the air
Where is love
Where is Love

No more laughter in the air
No more laughter in the air
Feel the tension in the air
When will they learn

I watched the interview at the end, mentioning his being best dressed so on so forth. Did they dare not speak of his song being a protest song or did the public not "get it?"

I know some of our earlier protest songs were thinly veiled else they wouldn't be played. Like the Monkees Last Train to Clarksville.

The last sentence summed it up.

Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station
You can be there by 4:30
'Cause I've made your reservation
Don't be slow
Oh no no no, oh no no no
'Cause I'm leaving in the morning
And I must see you again
We'll have one more night together
'Til the morning brings my train
And I must go
Oh no no no, oh no no no
And I don't know if I'm ever coming home
Take the last train to Clarksville
I'll be waiting at the station
We'll have time for coffee flavored kisses
And a bit of conversation
Oh no no no, oh no no no
Take the last train to Clarksville
Now I must hang up the phone
I can't hear you in this
Noisy railroad station all alone
I'm feeling low
Oh no no no, oh no no no
And I don't know if I'm ever coming home

Clarksville, Tennessee is about 50 miles from Nashville. Home of Fort Campbell, THE 101st Airborne Division. Also an upbeat song musically but had a darker part to it, song actually wrote by Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, who were not members of the Monkees but were a songwriting team that wrote for various bands and singers back in the day.
Last Train To Clarksville 1967
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 19, 2016, 8:33 am
Oh, Dandelion - a tangent, but I was a big fan of the Monkees at one stage!! :>) Thanks for the reminder ...

And I agree with all about Dimitri's icon!!!!

And Ros - as always, I love your comments through music ....

**************************************************************** to Freya, Eleonora, Ros, Dandelion & Dimitri for your comments!!
 

Peggy B (43)
Friday February 19, 2016, 8:56 am
Essentially anyone who practice freedom of speech in Israel is tagged as anti-Israel when they are just not happy with their governments actions?? Why does the US fund a country that denies these basic rights?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 19, 2016, 10:05 am
I'd add "a highly developed and relatively wealthy" country, Peggy!
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday February 19, 2016, 11:06 am
The truth as opposed to th flood of lies spews here with zealous hatred of Israel and Israelis:
Israel says the movement is rooted in anti-Semitism and seeks not to change Israeli policies, but ultimately to put an end to the Jewish state.

Many online activists driving anti-Israeli campaigns on social media are tech-savvy, second- and third-generation Muslims in Europe and the U.S. who have grievances against the West and also lead online campaigns against European and U.S. governments, said Elad Ratson, who tracks the issue for Israel’s Foreign Ministry and spoke at last month’s cybersecurity forum.

He said they often create code that allows activists to blast thousands of messages from social media accounts – creating the illusion that many protesters are sharing the same anti-Israel or anti-West message online.

Israeli officials lobby Facebook to remove pages it says incite violence against Israelis, and there has been talk of advancing legislation to restrict Facebook in Israel. A Facebook representative met with Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan in Israel last week about the matter.

Ratson said social media giants are beginning to close inciting users’ accounts. Twitter said in a statement this month that since mid-2015, it has closed more than 125,000 accounts that were “threatening or promoting terrorist acts, primarily related to ISIS,” the Islamic State group. But he said Islamist activists are simply moving to “Darknet” sites not visible on the open internet.

Some Israeli tech companies are starting to build sly algorithms to restrict these online activists’ circle of influence on the “Darknet,” so activists think

source
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday February 19, 2016, 11:08 am
*spewn
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 11:14 am
"Israeli officials lobby Facebook to remove pages it says incite violence against Israelis, and there has been talk of advancing legislation to restrict Facebook in Israel."

I thought Israel was the "only" democracy in the Middle East. Guess another one bites the dust.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday February 19, 2016, 11:49 am
Good point, Dandelion, and love the lyrics you posted. Thks,
Great avatar, Evelyn, "Be kind to unkind people. They need it most. No need to be their reflection."

“And forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair”.
― Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet
@Dimitris: Thanks for sharing. The world needs a makeover!!

 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 19, 2016, 12:02 pm
I don't consider myself as a Greek. Rather as a citizen of the world...
And don't forget ladies, I declare Dandelionist and I mean it :)
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 19, 2016, 12:04 pm
The Israeli GOVERNMENT, and right wing supporters, and most Zionists say .....

BUT - they don't speak for all Israelis, nor for all Jews.

Alexa, your absence has been noted - did you enjoy your training?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 19, 2016, 12:23 pm
One last thing please, and I'm sorry I don't follow the discussion:
I will change the photo after my travel to Thailand. I want to continue my training :)
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 19, 2016, 12:30 pm
Jess - glad you could see it - doesn't seem to be stable (I see my old one! Do you think cyber-spies disapprove of the new one? :>) ) I thought it might serve as a reminder - to me and to others under fire from a small but toxically sad band!!!
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday February 19, 2016, 2:32 pm

Evelyn B. (58)
Friday February 19, 2016, 12:04 pm

Alexa, your absence has been noted - did you enjoy your training?

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Our 'absence' on c2 as you refer to it Evelyn is very simple, many it not all of us pro-Israel c2 members have been suspended by c2's anti-Israel policies and moderation, just like on Facebook.

 

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Friday February 19, 2016, 3:11 pm
Alexa: Care 2 stands for CARE and for people sincerely seeking world peace and that means there is not such thing as a just war and anyone that tries to say there is a just war is supporting war. Truth is simple. For there to be peace there has to be social justice and a desire to create a fair world where truth is the highest good.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday February 19, 2016, 3:27 pm
I thinnk it's getting a bit too crowded here for me.. but I'll say a few things on this matter:
I find it laughable, so they're wasting $26 million/year on their own deligitimization, that's a pretty damn expensive funeral ! Have they not understood that the more they fight with nasty tricks, the more successful the BDS movement will become?!
They can establish all the tech & intel companies they want, name them "inspiration", and create a 'community of fighters'-LOL- to fight a useless battle against a world strong army of fighters who already carry their inspiration to BDS inside their souls and spirits, for free!

Here's something else I recommend you to read. Since the great piece by Chris Hedges above, thanks to Jess, also mentions Hillary, well, this does so too: And it begins with this poetry:
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-hamburg/bds-as-american-as-apple-_b_7988876.html)

History says, Don't hope
on this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
the longed for tidal wave
of justice can rise up,
and hope and history rhyme.

Do read the article, titled : ' BDS: As American As Apple Pie' - learn some history. ;-)
There you have it! Or equally "as.. as..' - fill in the blanks.
Thanks Sam!
 

P. L. Neola (21)
Friday February 19, 2016, 3:54 pm
Right now, anti-Semitism is extremely out of control throughout the world. And most of it was incited by Middle Eastern Muslims and pro-Palestinian organizations and political individuals.

In the Arab-European negations of the 1970s, in order to get Middle Eastern oil at a low price, several European nations had to commit to pressuring their media, then their schools, and eventually their Christian churches into supporting and spreading anti-Semitism. This is a fact! This was a process that would take time and go in several stages, but the European nations had to promise to come through in the process for low cost crude oil.

The United States opposed this Middle Eastern strategy and that is why the U.S. suffered through the Oil Embargos of the 1970s. Gas was very high and sparse. The U.S. citizenry had to line up for hours before gas stations even opened in the morning—because there were no 24-hour gas stations in those days—on odd or even days. You see, even before IPods and Smartphones, U.S. citizens were lining up for necessities and not for luxuries!!! Now, I was a child in those days, however, I believe the license plate numbers determined whether you could fill your car on odd or even days.

Bat Ye’or, an educated professor and an Egyptian Jewess wrote about it in several books, but especially in her book, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis.

The process was initiated around forty years ago and nobody really remembers how modern anti-Semitism even got started!!!

Despite the Muslim-created negative image and its overshadowing on Israel, I still always remember Brigitte’s opinion of Israel and its people:

‘… The emergency room and the corridor leading to the rest of the hospital were overflowing with wounded people: Israeli soldiers; Lebanese, both Christian and Muslim; even Palestinians. There was blood everywhere. The air was filled with the screams of the injured, the shouts of medical personnel, and the whoop, whoop, whoop of helicopters landing outside with more casualties.
As I hurried across the room to where Mama was lying on a gurney I looked around to see the others receiving care. I was amazed that the Israelis were providing medical treatment to Palestinian and Muslim gunmen. I could understand why the Israelis would help Lebanese Christians. We were their allies. But these Palestinians and Muslims were sworn, mortal enemies, dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of Jews. Yet, Israeli doctors and nurses worked feverishly to save their lives. Each patient was treated solely according to the nature of his or her injury. The doctor treated my mother before he treated an Israeli soldier lying next to her because her injury was more severe than his. The Israelis did not see religion, political affiliation, or nationality. They saw only people in need, and they helped. …
My mind kept returning to the realization that the Israelis were providing lifesaving medical services to Palestinian and Muslim gunmen who had been injured in the process of trying to kill Israelis. It suddenly dawned on me that the efforts of the Israelis were not just isolated, individual acts of compassion. Individual Israelis drove the ambulances and performed the medical services, but this was possible only because the Israelis, as a state, as a society, as a culture, made a conscious, deliberate decision to devote precious resources to saving the lives of their enemies.
I was stunned with the implications of this revelation. I recalled all of the horrible things that I heard about Jews in general and Israelis in particular as I was growing up; they were greedy, brutal, and treacherous; they were the cause of all misery in the world. I had seen with my own eyes that nothing could be further from the truth. I was to learn this lesson many times while Mama was in the hospital.
I also learned about hatred, intolerance, and bigotry. The Muslim woman who was in the room with my mother had stayed in the hospital for about twelve days. [Brigitte’s mother, an elderly woman, was there for three weeks because of malnutrition and poor health from living in a basement bomb shelter for seven years.] And even after ten days, when the doctors left the room after changing her bandages and checking on her in their morning tour, she said, with an evil, hate-filled look on her face, “I hate you all. I wish you were all dead.” And for the first time in my life I saw evil. I realized that this Muslim couldn’t love the Jews even after they had saved her life. And when you are unable to be grateful to the people who saved your life, you have no soul. When humans become devoid of compassion, a sense of forgiveness, and open-mindedness, when they surrender their humanity to hate, they become an evil force of darkness that is irreconcilable with hope, love, and peace.’
—Brigitte Gabriel, a Maronite Christian survivor of the Lebanese Civil War and author of Because They Hate

 

Hilary S (65)
Friday February 19, 2016, 3:58 pm
well what a storm here! the disproportionate attacks against israel resonate so strongly with what was able to evolve during WWII that israel would be derelict in its constitutional commitment if it failed to speak out and defend its citizens, as well as jewish people around the world. NEVER AGAIN isn't just a catch phrase - it's a real call to take action.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 19, 2016, 4:45 pm
Thank you Angelika for providing the historical information. As the article read, Hillary Clinton places herself not only on the wrong side of history, but on the wrong side of American history.

Luckily for America, the colonists didn't decide, like Hillary Clinton, that boycotts were an improper course of action to end oppression or to win the right to freedom and self-determination.

Please remember, that Hillary Clinton is Right of President Obama, and he couldn't be any further in the Republican camp if he tried. People forget, that the Republicans have gone so far to the extreme right that anything that isn't matching that seems "left".....it isn't.

In 1988, Jesse Jackson was the first competitive black candidate for the Democratic nomination for the presidency. He came under fierce attack for his advocacy of Palestinian statehood. Bernie Sanders came to his aid, organizing Vermonters and winning the state for Jackson. Sanders was asked about Jackson’s comments on Palestine and defended him, saying that the Israeli assault on Palestinians was “reprehensible.”

Another reason not to vote for Hillary Clinton. If you need a few more reasons. Go to
12 Examples of Hillary Violating Progressives Trust

BDS must remain in place until the oppression stops.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday February 19, 2016, 6:50 pm
Thanks for your input, Dandelion. Worth noting. ********************

Darlene, more stars, for your comment. I could no have said it so well: "For there to be peace there has to be social justice and a desire to create a fair world where truth is the highest good."
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fly bird (26)
Friday February 19, 2016, 7:40 pm
By Ramzy Baroud

‘When you feel that all the doors are sealed, and you stand there humiliated and alone, knowing in advance that the court system is a charade, one is left with no other option but a hunger strike.” These are the words of Mohammad Allan, a former Palestinian hunger striker, during a telephone interview.

The point behind the above interview was for me to understand why Palestinian prisoners choose such an extreme method of protest while in Israeli detention. The latest of such cases is that of Mohammad Al Qeq.

Both Al Qeq and Allan were imprisoned under similar circumstances and were subjected to torture and humiliation while in prison, according to various rights groups. They were interrogated without the presence of lawyers and held indefinitely under a notorious law known as ‘administration detention’ law, with Al Qeq still enduring these horrific scenarios.

In Israel, with its various laws bent on abuse, humiliation and torture, the above scenario is applied as law. In other countries, these methods are applied in extreme circumstances, but in Israel, it is standard procedure. Al Qeq, for example, is a journalist with no proven militant ties. The accusations levelled against him have not been formally presented, but rather propagated through Israeli media spokespersons who claim that he used his reports for Saudi Al-Majd TV to “incite” violence. Allan, and other hunger strikers we spoke to were held under similar circumstances, with “evidence” that is scanty.

Last Thursday, the Israeli Supreme Court made a decision to “suspend” the administration detention order, on the condition that Al Qeq was not allowed to leave the Israeli hospital, where he was shackled to his bed for many days and nights. As was expected, he refused, fully aware that the suspension order, similar to the one that the court passed to end Allan’s equally protracted hunger strike, was not a promise of freedom. The subversive aim was to have him end his strike before securing yet another six-month detention order, as Israeli military courts often do. On the day the court made its decision, Al Qeq’s hunger strike had crossed the 72-day mark.

Both Allan and Al Qeq are 33 years old; the former from Nablus and the latter from Ramallah. Despite the obvious risks, they both felt compelled to enter into a hunger strike in exchange for their possible freedom — and even to use their bodies as a voice so the world can see what it often refuses to hear. “It is our last and only choice,” said Allan, 33, who underwent a hunger strike for so long that it resulted in brain damage, and nearly cost him his life.

“First, I made my intentions clear by refusing three meals in a row, and by sending a written note through the Dover (Hebrew for a prisoner who serves as a spokesperson for a prison ward).” Then, the punishment commences. “It is like a psychological warfare between the prison authorities, state and legal system apparatuses against a single individual,” which, according to Allan, lasts for 50-60 days.

That ‘warfare’ is duplicated in all such cases, and not one person was ever spared the costly price expected of him or her. Hana Shalabi’s hunger strike lasted for 47 days, after which she was eventually deported to Gaza, far away from her northern village of Burgin, near Jenin.

Khader Adnan, 37, is also from Jenin. His experience is typical in some sense to the rest, but also unique in the sense that he was held under the notorious laws for renewable six-month periods that dragged into years. Like Al Qeq, he too declared the terms of his battle with hunger: death or freedom. In fact, to exact his freedom he went through several hunger strikes, including two particularly long ones. In early 2012, he refused food for 66 days. After he was freed and re-arrested, he endured another 56 days of hunger. His death, as in the cases of Al Qeq and Allan, was declared imminent. He was finally freed in July 2015.

When we asked him what compelled him to follow that dangerous path twice, his answer was instant: Unlawful and “repeated arrests, the savagery of the way I was arrested, the brutality of the interrogation and finally the prolonged administrative detention” — without trial.

Al Qeq embarked on his hunger strike on November 24, only three days after he was detained, also citing torture and ill-treatment. Aside from being thrown into a legal black hole, with no due processes, and held based on “secret evidence”, torture is often cited as an overriding reason for the striking Palestinians.

So what follows a prisoner’s declaration of a hunger strike?

“Almost instantly, a hunger striker is thrown into solitary confinement, denied access to a mattress and blanket and other basic necessities,” said Allan. “Only after six weeks or so, do Israeli prison authorities agree to talk to lawyers representing hunger strikers to discuss various proposals. But within that period of time, the prisoner is left entirely unaided, separated from the other prisoners and subjected to an uninterrupted campaign of intimidation and threats. Mental torture is far worse than hunger.”

What is equally comparable to the pangs of hunger and mental deterioration is what happens to the prisoner’s body in the process of extreme deprivation and in some cases, as in the case of Al Qeq refusal to receive medical treatment as well.

A freed hunger striker, Ayman Sharawneh, originally from Dura, Hebron, but who has been deported to Gaza, spoke about the gradual collapse of one’s body. He went on hunger strike on July 1, 2012, and suspended it on March 17 the following year. He said: “I started to lose my hair, suffered from constant nausea, sharp pain in my guts, threw up ... I had an excruciating headache and then I began to suffer from fissures all over my skin and body.”

The decade or more that Sharawneh had spent in an Israeli prison, and months of hunger strike, had taken a toll on his body, which developed permanent ailments, notwithstanding kidney problems.

Was it worth it? Those who were freed insist that it was the best choice, considering the hopeless detention conditions and the unfair Israeli judicial system. But Adnan does not see hunger strike as a personal strategy for limited personal gains.

“Mohammad Al Qeq is not striking for himself,” said Adnan. “He is striking on behalf of all the prisoners,” whose number is estimated by prisoners’ rights group Addameer at nearly 7,000, among whom 670 are held under administrative detention.

According to Adnan, the issue of hunger strikes should not be seen as a battle within Israeli jails, but as part and parcel of the Palestinian people’s fight against military occupation.

The list of well-known Palestinian hunger strikers exceeds Al Qeq, Adnan, Allan, Sharawneh and Shalabi, and includes many others, not forgetting Samir Issawi, Mahmoud Sarsak, Thaer Halahleh and Bilal Thiab. But what all of these former hunger strikers seem to have in common is their insistence that their battles were never concerned with the freedom of individuals only, but with that of an entire group of desperate, oppressed and outraged people.


http://alray.ps/en/index.php?act=post&id=7005
 

. (0)
Friday February 19, 2016, 11:58 pm
Go for it Israel. The fight against anti-Semitic slime will never end. It's a fight all decent Care2 members can get behind.
 

Nicolai L (39)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 1:13 am
thanks for sharing, noted :)
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 1:49 am
You are right Ross :)
You can say whatever you like against China, against the US,against Germany or Russia, but if you "dare" to say something against Israel, you are anti-Semitic :D
Only from this one you can see the complexes of some people :)
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:44 am
Crikey! They're all out today! It's like inadvertently wandering into an anti-Semite convention!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:46 am
Good old BDS, trying to finish what Goebbels started!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:52 am
If you want unemployed and destitute Palestinians, if you want a continuation of the status quo, a continuation of the bloodshed and violence (because hate only begets hate) and if you want the destruction of Israel (BDS do not support a two state solution) then support BDS.

It is investment to CREATE jobs and economic prosperity for the Palestinians that is needed!!!! Unemployment, destitution and hopelessness are breeding grounds for terrorism. Prosperity would lead to a more moderate political stance in Palestinian society from which the basis for a two nation solution and a holding peace could arise.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:58 am
Strange that BDS are not calling for a boycott of Chinese goods in protest at their illegal occupation and cultural genocide in Tibet, or against any of the Muslim nations guilty of gross human rights violations, or indeed any other nation guilty of human rights violations - of which there are many.
Only when it involves Jews.
I might have a bit more respect for them if their stand was universal and based on genuine humanity, rather than thinly veiled racial hatred.
 

Shil O (0)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:25 am
" “I hate you all. I wish you were all dead.” And for the first time in my life I saw evil. I realized that this Muslim couldn’t love the Jews even after they had saved her life."

Leaves nothing else to be said.

This video dispels certain myths concerning the origin of the name 'Palestine' and of the 'Arab Palestinians.' It documents that the 'Arab Palestinians' are in fact mostly from other places, and migrated to what is now Israel at the same time as the Zionist Jews, many of them because of the economic boom that the Zionist Jews produced in what was then British Mandate Palestine. The Zionist Jews did not steal the "best" land from Arab landowners but in fact purchased abandoned desert and swamp land from absentee Arab landlords who were quite eager to sell. This was explained by Hajj Amin al Husseini himself. Husseini, father of the Palestinian movement, launched his fourth terrorist attack against the Jews of the Mandate in 1936-39. The violence was so great that the British sent a team to investigate. When questioned, Husseini admitted that the Zionist Jews had not stolen anybody's land but in fact had bought it. In fact, Husseini had been among the major consolidators and sellers of land, and growing tremendously rich by it.
WHAT IS PALESTINE? WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
 

. (0)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:34 am
Alexa, a very brave comment considering that the ant-Israel brigade are out in force. I support the restriction of submissions such as incitement to hatred by Palestinians which is causing young children to want to become martyrs so we see 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 & 17 year olds with knives taking lives such as the young man, only 21 years old, being stabbed to death and another covered in stab wounds. Yet none of the anti-Israel/pro-Muslim brigade care that either side are killed only that Israelis die. No condemnation. In fact, it would not surprise me if Sam was a Palestinian because his submissions are no better. He alters the titles and they are anti-Semitic lies.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:35 am
Who is out in force?
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 5:38 am
Israel is the most anti-Semitic nation on earth. What could be more anti-Semitic than detaining and deporting from Israel the son of two Holocaust survivors for maintaining his integrity and telling the truth? Luckily, Norman Finkelstein survived the ordeal and continued the fight for justice! Others were not as lucky! Just ask Rachel Corrie’s parents!

NEVER AGAIN should any human being look the other way when confronted with Israel’s criminal behavior!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 5:52 am
I am glad to see that Normie Rowe made it home alive and found this video of him doing some fairly current stage singing and entertaining.
Que Sera Ooh La La

Thanks for the story behind the song.

War is never a useful tool, it never brings about what is desired, fear tends to bring to us the things we fear most. The Beatles were correct when they sang "All We Need Is Love"; and I'll leave the remarks of Rodney King who said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 5:57 am
And Omar Bharghouti, founder and leader of BDS, emigrated TO Israel! And lives there, works there and attacks Israel and the Israeli government there!
Somehow I can't imagine a Jew emigrating to Gaza and condemning Hamas and calling for a boycott of them! I wonder how long they'd last if they did?!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 6:01 am
And Dandelion, that's just it isn't it. 'You' can't shovel hate and prejudice in one end and expect peace and love to come out the other.
Hate begets hate.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 6:01 am
lol....well we placed our comments on at the same time. I must say the video you selected got me shakin' all over and got my blood to stirring first thing this morning. Now back to unpacking some more boxes as the blood is rushing through these veins and the bones are doing a good rattle and shake. :-) Thanks friend.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 6:06 am
Shil: Re first sentence.

The film 'PROMISES' shows that Israelis and Palestinians CAN get on together, happily, peacefully and be friends with one another. It's only when young minds are poisoned by hate preachers that both sides lapse into a continuation of the status quo.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:55 pm

Now you people rock – LOL! I read all these back and forth and must say: we’re doing something (very) right … as only those who have the ball get attacked!

Back to the topic – BDS. I walked down memory lane remembering our engagement (in Switzerland) in support to end the Apartheid regime in South Africa and all that it entails. Very much the same as it is today with the BDS movement aimed at ending at long last the cruel occupation, land and aquifer theft by Israel in the West Bank as well as the killing, maiming and imprisoning of Palestinians – hoping that it will ultimately bring peace for both peoples.

(A little side note: at the time of the creation of Israel the colonizing Jewish settlers had bought slightly less than 7% (in words: seven) of the land. Just to put that myth to rest too.)

As opposed to the relentlessly propagated mantra by the Zionists (not Jews!) that “BDS aims at destroying ultimately Israel” (often we also read at “destroying the Jews” for better effect) it aims at bringing sustainable peace to that poor piece of land; peace for both peoples – the colonizing newcomers as well as the indigenous people living there uninterrupted since centuries.

Many people of Jewish faith from all walks of life not only support the BDS movement but are actively engaged in it out of their true commitment to the teachings of their religion. Very much the same as we have seen in the struggle against Apartheid South Africa.

The Jewish role in fighting Apartheid
“Jewish resistance
Many Jewish South Africans, both individuals and organisations, helped support the anti-apartheid movement. In the anti-Apartheid Liberation struggle, it was estimated that Jews were over represented by 2,500 percent in their proportion to the governing population.

Most Jews had voted against the apartheid National Party, casting their votes for either the Progressive Party or the United Party. One organisation, the Union of Jewish Women, sought to alleviate the suffering of blacks through charitable projects and self-help schemes. Fourteen of the 23 whites involved in the 1956 Treason Trial were Jewish and all five whites of the 17 members of the African National Congress who were arrested for anti-apartheid activities in 1963 were Jewish.

Jewish university students, in particular, vehemently opposed the apartheid movement. Jews, in fact, were largely represented in the percentage of white citizens who were arrested for anti-apartheid protests. A large proportion of Jews were also involved in organisations such as The Springbok Legion, The Torch Commando, and the Black Sash. These anti-apartheid organisations led protests that were both active (i.e. marching through the streets with torches) and passive (i.e. standing silently in black). Two Jewish organisations were formed in 1985: Jews for Justice (in Cape Town) and Jews for Social Justice (in Johannesburg) tried to reform South African society and build bridges between the white and black communities. Also in 1985, the South African Jewish Board passed a resolution rejecting apartheid.

In addition to the well-known high profile Jewish anti-apartheid personalities, there were very many ordinary Jews who expressed their revulsion of apartheid in diverse ways and contributed to its eventual downfall. Many Jews were active in providing humanitarian assistance for Black communities. Johannesburg's Oxford Synagogue and Cape Town's Temple Israel established nurseries, medical clinics and adult education programs in the townships and provided legal aid for victims of apartheid laws. Many Jewish lawyers acted as nominees for non-whites who were not allowed to buy properties in white areas.

In 1980, South Africa's National Congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies passed a resolution urging "all concerned [people] and, in particular, members of our community to cooperate in securing the immediate amelioration and ultimate removal of all unjust discriminatory laws and practices based on race, creed, or colour." This inspired some Jews to intensify their anti-apartheid activism, but the bulk of the community either emigrated or avoided public conflict with the National Party government.”

Read also about the role of women under the same link. We women here are in best company!!

Furthermore, and as a preamble to this rather long (but interesting) article we read:

“Internal resistance to the apartheid system in South Africa came from several sectors of society and saw the creation of organisations dedicated variously to peaceful protests, passive resistance and armed insurrection. It came from both black activists like Steve Biko and Desmond Tutu as well as white activists like Harry Schwarz, Joe Slovo and Trevor Huddleston. By the 1980s there was continuous interplay between violent and non-violent action, and this interplay was a notable feature of the rebellion against apartheid from 1983 until South Africa's transition to democracy in 1994.”

In other words – the myth that there has to be first a total stop to any armed resistance against the occupation (which is called today “terrorism” - but only when it concerns the struggle of Christian and Muslim Palestinians - for enhancing the “victim effect”) is just that: a myth. If there would be no resistance incl. armed one Israel would have no reason whatsoever to finally come to real peace negotiations. So far all we heard was lip service and this since its establishment as a state. As we know the status quo of today serves Israel’s interests best – so everything is done to keep it that way and the International (Political) Community plays along and supports these ongoing crimes against humanity incl. the war crimes perpetrated by Israel.

There’s one little problem today. The true International Community – we, the people – start waking up, asking uncomfortable questions and not accepting any longer all those created false myths. Moreover, people don’t accept anymore to be taken for fools, be taken for a ride and they refuse today to just say “Yes and Amen” to everything done under the cover of “self-defense”.

So … we should be proud in a way that the full force of the Hasbara Jihadists are on this thread trying to make a run for their money (“US 1.45 plus tips” © Ros) but at our expense.

Forget it!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 2:57 pm

A New Documentary Explores the Anti-Apartheid Activists in South Africa You Never Learned About, article written by Prof Peter Cole.

This article is almost a must to read IMO and should strengthen our determination to continue speaking out although we’re routinely branded as “anti-Semites” and more.

“Ronald “Ronnie” Kasrils was a white man born in Johannesburg, South Africa, the grandson of Jewish immigrants, who became a leader in the anti-apartheid struggle. In the early 1960s he joined Umkhonto we Sizwe (Spear of the Nation in the isiZulu language), an offshoot of the African National Congress (ANC), and soon became the MK Commander in Natal province. By 1964, the movement inside the country had been crushed; to escape, Kasrils went into exile.”

“I have interviewed many of these young (now older) people. The thing that unites them all is something that they see as the spirit of their times, something that animated them then and still resonates in all that they do today: the idea and reality of international solidarity.
In many ways it is the exact opposite of the values of today’s consumerist world society, often described to us as “globalization.” Theirs was a truly global view—that if anyone anywhere is not free, then it is an issue for all of us. While many people in the west held such views, attended rallies and meetings or signed petitions, these people went that extra step further. They were willing to risk their lives and certainly their liberty to do something about it in a far-away country.”

NB Ronald Kasrils was born in Yeoville, Johannesburg, in November 1938. His grandparents were immigrants from Latvia and Lithuania, who had fled from the Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century. His father was a factory salesman and his mother worked as a shop assistant. The Sharpeville massacre prompted Kasrils to join the African National Congress (ANC) in 1960, serving as the secretary of the ANC-aligned Congress of Democrats (CoD) in Natal until it was banned in 1962.

Food for thought?

Desmond Tutu: “We face a catastrophe in this land, and only the action of the international community by applying pressure can save us.”

And the international community did – so why is this now suddenly criminal just because it concerns Israel?

What kind of crime do I commit if I refuse to buy a certain product from a certain seller? I exercise my right as a free consumer. Are they going to throw us all in jail? Or shoot us all?

 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:12 pm
As you say, Eleonora
They're back from their training, and all set to provide twisted versions of history that cleanse the history of the land from all suggestion that Palestinians existed & lived in the land the Zionists had decided was the only land they wanted .....

This gang doesn't WANT to understand BDS - they don't WANT to grasp that the key to ending BDS is ending the occupation & oppression of Palestinians (through a just one state, or through two states ... but the critical consideration is that Palestinians have full and equal rights ... ) They certainly don't want to respect a non-violent resistance strategy, because that gives them less fodder for their Islamophobia spiel/ spewing.

Do you reckons they got Es & Fs on their training?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:25 pm
Strange - my comment has vanished ..

Ros - that video can't be viewed abroad ...

Anglie - thanks for that article (BDS: As American As Apple Pie ) really interesting read
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Sam H (410)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:31 pm
And as a footnote to your wonderful, informative posts, Eleonora, it’s important to remember the role that both apartheid Israel and apartheid South Africa played in undermining liberation movements around the world. EVIL united them as they schemed to deny normal human beings their God-given rights! Their adventure in the Indian Ocean is just one example of their total disregard to human life and the wellbeing of our planet!
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 6:09 pm
Thanks for the link, Ros -saved.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 11:28 pm

I just put in an article:

Zionist Censorship in the US: Human Rights Advertisment censored by Variety Magazine

and would appreciate if you take a moment to have a look at it. It runs in the same vein - or should I say: more of the same?

Thanks!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 11:33 pm

Evelyn - I don't think that they don't want to understand ... they're not PAID for that. Remember: a "US$ 1.45 plus tips" (© Ros) doesn't go that far - LOL.

What they do understand is that the never ending cycle of violence helps maintaining the status quo until all land is "absorbed" by Israel into one Jewish State. The rest of the people living there - Christians and Muslims and others - can go rot and hopefully vanish - the sooner the better so the next step can be initiated. Don't forget that Eretz Israel" is waiting!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 11:39 pm

Sam and Ros - plenty of stars for you: ***********************************

Thanks for reminding us of that event. It worthy of noting that "The US government, however, found it expedient to brush important evidence under the carpet and pretend the test did not occur." Business as usual!

We also know that Israel offered South Africa to sell them nuclear warheads ... and it was fine with our Uncle Sam that his protégé wanted to do so ... yet this very same rogue state has brought us to the brink of WWIII with it's relentless and lying propaganda (since 1995) that "Iran is just 2-3 years away from having the nuclear bomb" (good ol' Bibi).

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 20, 2016, 11:51 pm

Evelyn - I almost overlooked your question at the end: "Do you reckons they got Es & Fs on their training?"

Is there something like a "Z"?! They don't even respect the basic ABC of the Hasbara Manual for Campus!! Novices maybe and C2 is after all their training ground ... kind of last intense training before the Rites of Initiation?

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 12:05 am

Hhmmm - Evelyn ... this must be an oversight "the land the Zionists had decided was the only land they wanted ..... ".

We both know that the ZWC sent out delegations to all 4 corners of the world to get a "homeland" - like Uganda (no economic prospect), Canada (total opposition from the Canadians), Mozambique (see Uganda) ... etc. ... as well as trying to buy Patagonia off Argentina ... which didn't work because the financing Zionists, Rothchild, didn't want to pay the money.

For those unfamiliar with the Patagonian Dream – it’s worth your time to read it!! Excellent article by Uri Avnery cleaning out some more of the propagated Zionists’ myths.

 

Shil O (0)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 12:08 am
"Every Decent Care2 Member Is Being Targeted By Israel!"
Why?
Every decent care2 member supports Israel - the rest are just Looney-Tunes who suffer delusions
although I am sure that Israeli medical facilities would accept them for treatment after all they treat all those who are ill -- even the families of hamas
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 12:25 am
Their track record is not that great! Netanyahu is worse off now than he was when he was admitted! But it's probably hard for you recognize that while you're still in the midst of your treatment! And if we take Netanyahu as an example, you probably wouldn't understand what "decent" means even after you're discharged!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 12:35 am

Dearest Sam - can't send you any more stars: *******************************************

Thanks for the good laugh I had - I can always count on you to make my day!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 1:01 am

Did you all see this? Nice try … LOL!

Looking at the picture accompanying the article I truly wonder how the world survived for soooo many centuries without Israel … Do they truly believe that they’re the naval of the world?

 

Sam H (410)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 2:19 am
Why would you say that, Ros? I thought assigning the number of the beast to the beast was an apt use of the number! Quite “REVELATORY,” really!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 5:20 am
Oh so very kind of Israel to treat the ill after they've blown up clinics and hospitals, barred medical personnel and supplies from getting in, not allowing medical students to leave to complete their degrees. Not to mention many are sick due to lack; lack of food, lack of medicine, lack of heat, lack of proper shelter, due to the wall and the bombs. Yes, most kind.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 1:21 pm

Dandelion - you do have an admirable way of putting your finger always on the relevant points!!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday February 21, 2016, 1:22 pm

Sam!!!!!!!!!! LOL and ********************************
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday February 22, 2016, 12:28 am
Dear Sam ... why should Ros be familiar with the New Testament? :>) It's not part of the family's culture she was brought up with! She'd beat you on Torah references, I expect!!

Hmm, Ros - Benedictine? I'll have to remember that if I ever get to Australia!!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday February 22, 2016, 4:50 am
Wrath? Apologies if I caused that - my main point was that we shouldn't assume everyone has a "Christian" upbringing!! But I put a "smiley" in to show I was making a light-hearted comment ... A lot of our culture is interwoven with formal religion ... without being religious, necessarily!! Then we "believe" that the cultural values are rooted in the specific dominant religion of our community, or even that they are globally shared (or, for that matter, we attribute negative cultural patterns to a religion widely practised in an area where the traditional normative practices are found ....) - And we assume that references have the same meaning for all ... & are familiar to all.

I fully agree about respect for all religions - and I also believe one should behave respectfully concerning cultural practices of other communities unless they are actually harmful. Even then, I believe outsiders should be cautious about combatting harmful practices. Few have evolved with an intention to harm - no community would follow practices with the intention of doing permanent harm to its children, for example - so if they come to recognise for themselves that a practice is basically harmful, they adapt away from it. But if they're "shouted at", they get defensive and one can't help them recognise the harm. being done. But that is off topic !!
 

Michael M (60)
Monday February 22, 2016, 12:07 pm
A 2001 study showed that the Jews and Palestinians are very closely related. there has been sibling rivalry since the "David-Goliath" spat, as the Philistines and Palestineans are the same.

So, Dave grew big & fat while Goliath got hungry and wizened. Time for an update to their "history" book.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday February 22, 2016, 1:51 pm

Ros, Evelyn - can relate to both of your posts. Evelyn - you reflect pretty much my believe in truly respecting other peoples' traditions, religions, cultures.

Isn't it amazing, Ros, that only Hitler and the Zionists ever tried the fruitless attempt - the latter still do today - that Judaism is a race? Race and religions are just attributes, a little part of the puzzle "human being". It's always the individual that should be at the forefront and it's him/her that ultimately counts and with whom we interact.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday February 22, 2016, 1:58 pm

Love your analogy Michael - perfect!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday February 22, 2016, 4:06 pm
Ros - very true - **********************************************
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday February 23, 2016, 2:30 pm

Perfectly said, Ros - at least Hitler had the "courage" to do it himself while Israel hangs on the infusion drip of the US and other countries and has them kill the Muslims for them. There's a word for this ...

***************************************
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 26, 2016, 9:47 am
Justin, Justin .... if they were a small closet movement, the State of Israel wouldn't be investing over a million $$$$ in trying to shut them up! You're sensible enough to be aware of that!!!!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 5:09 am
"IT'S RARE TO SEE A COMPANY LIKE THIS. EVERYBODY SITS TOGETHER, WORKS TOGETHER. IF YOU AS K ME. THERE SHOULD BE A THOUSAND SODASTREAMS IN THIS AREA.!
- A SodaStream worker - now unemployed thanks to BDS.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 5:09 am
"IT'S RARE TO SEE A COMPANY LIKE THIS. EVERYBODY SITS TOGETHER, WORKS TOGETHER. IF YOU ASK ME. THERE SHOULD BE A THOUSAND SODASTREAMS IN THIS AREA.!
- A SodaStream worker - now unemployed thanks to BDS.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 5:12 am
"THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE BDS ACTIVISTS ARE IN FACT ANTI-PEACE EXTREMISTS WHOSE GOAL IS TO PREVENT ANY PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE ISRAELIS AND THE PALESTINIANS"
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 5:23 am
"THE FACTORY PROVIDES INCOME TO HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES, ENTIRE VILLAGES. PEACE IS WHAT HAPPENS HERE INSIDE, AND NOT OUTSIDE. THOSE WHO ARE ABROAD DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONS AND ACTUALLY SABOTAGE THE RELATIONS. THE FACTORY DRAWS US CLOSER, EVEN IN TIMES OF INSTABILITY AS WAS DURING THE WAR IN GAZA, EVERYTHING WAS AS USUAL HERE"
- Nabil Bashrat,. A SodaStream worker - now unemployed thanks to BDS.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 6:39 am
Enough with the crocodile tears! If you’re interested in the wellbeing of the Palestinians, get out of their land! How rude of you to use all uppercase letters in your posts. You’ve been around the internet long enough to figure out how to behave properly!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 7:13 am
Sam - you know John doesn't usually make that mistake!!!

It's just that he's copying and pasting from a hasbara anti-BDS site!!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 8:04 am
Highlighting TRUTH. Quotes from Palestinians not Israelis. Muslims not Jews.

The hypocrisy and double standards always amuses me. These Western luvvies preach the "No surrender!" message, not from the barricades, but from their cosy, all mod cons, centrally heated homes, with a car parked up outside no doubt. Enjoying meals out, nights at the theatre, weekends away and foreign holidays. They don't know what it is to be bombed, hungry, homeless or destitute, yet they are perfectly happy for the ordinary Palestinians to be condemned to a life of poverty and hopelessness.

With these merchants of hate about there will never be peace, nor economic prosperity for the Palestinians.

Hate begets hate.

 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 8:57 am
Sam: You don't think that is hypocritical? When you yourself are squatting on land stolen by treachery and violence from the Native Americans. What historical claim do Whites have to be in North America? They have none.

The Jews are in their historical homeland.

I suggest you and everyone else views the video 'What Is Palestine? Who Are The Palestinians?' so thoughtfully posted by Shil O. further back up the thread.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 9:18 am
And since you already know that hate begets hate, your incessant spread of hate against the Palestinians is not an innocent random act, but a calculated endeavor to perpetuate the cycle of violence.

Nothing can be more disingenuous than your attempts to suggest that the aspirations of the Palestinians can be met by a soda company operating illegally on their land!

I suggest that you look up the names of all the Palestinian towns and villages that were wiped off the face of the earth by those civilized Zionists!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 1:31 pm
Same old, same old ... We have a saying in England, Sam, 'When you're in a hole, stop digging'.

The karma of the anti-Semite is, next time around, to come back as a Jew on the receiving end of anti-Semitism.
Poetic justice some might say.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 1:27 am
Ros - there's a lot of truth in that!

Sad, how some people are so focussed on their own belly-buttons that they don't realise how their vision is blinkered by fear & hate.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 2:04 am
The karma of the anti-Palestinian is, next time around, to come back as a Palestinian on the receiving end of that criminal anti-Palestinian Zionism.

Poetic justice that rhymes some might say.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 5:55 am
The CEO of SodaStream said the impact was marginal. (Though BDS claimed total victory due to their campaign.) He added "It's propaganda. It's politics. It's hate. It's all the bad stuff we don't want to be part of."
Relocating a factory is going to cost money, not save it. That much is obvious.

From the same article
ALI JAFAR, EX-SHIFT MANAGER "ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO CLOSE THE FACTORY ARE MISTAKEN. THEY DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FAMILIES. SODASTREAM SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED IN THE WEST BANK IF THEY (BDS) TRULY CARED ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE"
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 5:59 am
Ros: That is not what Shil O. said. You should not be deliberately misquoting him, nor mocking him. Nor mocking me.
The Head of Customer Services is personally monitoring this thread.
Yet again, you violate the Terms of Service agreement.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 10:05 am
This is like you coming here and demanding respect without making an effort to earn that respect!

You're blind to all the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinians. All you see is Soda Stream! And you expect others to be as blind to these issues as you are to still take you seriously!

Is this another Zionist concept?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 4:11 pm
Did you know that Sodastream had already made a far bigger relocation? They used to be based in the UK! (In those days, I had a Sodastream machine .... and British workers benefited from the factory. Now it sits unused) Relocation isn't a problem - especially when a factory is already almost complete. And immigrants need work ....

Ros - and the native Arabs that practice Christianity!!!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday February 29, 2016, 2:00 am
Yes, Ros! My parents bought their first sodastream in the late 60s, then gave machines to all their children living in the UK (early 70s) - Not an aesthetic gadget in those days, just a big gas bottle fitting a connection unit where the bottles fit, & & system of clamps to hold the gadget! A solid machine, though (the original one, more than 45 years old, still works ... if one has the gas recharge!) - the company's interest was a reliable service .... and that, they delivered!

To blame BDS for the unemployment status of the Palestinian workers is definitely a very blinkered view. Many could have kept their jobs had the Israeli authorities not put every possible obstacle in their way! Sodastream wanted to keep them on ......

But THAT isn't part of the hasbara tale ....

Thanks Ros for the links
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday February 29, 2016, 4:41 am
Ros - that musical comment is brilliant!
Definitely a Milky Way ....................................................................................................................................... ...........................
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 4:01 am


Shil O. (0)
Ros - Shil O wrote: Saturday February 20, 2016, 4:25 am
" “I hate you all. I wish you were all dead.” And for the first time in my life I saw evil. I realized that this Muslim couldn’t love the Jews even after they had saved her life."

Leaves nothing else to be said

John should read carefully before making statements about what his friends have said .... or have not said!!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 4:27 am
Evelyn should read more carefully before making statements about what people have said or not said.
The text is in quotation marks, its text (of a Palestinian) featured in the video link he posted. They aren't his words.

Standing up for a friend is admirable, but dishonesty serves no-one.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 5:05 am
Except, John - he endorses it - and expands
 

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 11:21 am
He is quoting from the film blurb. Those aren't his words and even if they were that doesn't justify mockery and deliberate misquoting designed to malign.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 1:27 pm
"The film blurb"?
Which film?
He gives no attribution to a film.

I think he started with a quote from a book by a Phalangist Lebanese that one of your friends cited ...

And went on to endorse it directly. And he expands on the thinking behind the short quote.

As usual - only partially accurate information, John - & even that, only after it was pointed out that you had accused Ros of lying ........ Twisting to justify inaccurate statements ...

Had you responded to Ros' comment with a comment that Shil O was quoting with the words Ros reiterated, your criticism would have been more valid. The reply would still be that Shil O endorsed the words he quoted .... but you would have avoided having it pointed out that you implied inaccurately that Ros had invented that Shil O had used those words.

But that is par for the course - partial facts, twisted, criticism & personal attacks .... what we come to expect from those who deny any criticism of the State of Israel.
 

Steve D (13)
Wednesday March 16, 2016, 5:03 pm
I want peace and justice for the Palestinians (at the very least), the main thing standing in the way of that peace and justice is israel, this is beyond question.
If that is what brands me as an anti-Semite then so be it.
 
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