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AUSTRALIA: Muslims Complain National Anthem Part of Oppressive Campaign!

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Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem and citizenship pledge supporting democratic values are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of *forced assimilation* of the Muslim community, a conference heard.


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Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 12:44 pm

America better wake up to what the usurper-in-chief and his minions, along with a complicit Congress, are allowing into America's borders. A good lesson could be learned from the folks down under in Australia, who recently offended Muslims for having them sing the country's national anthem.

The Australian reports:

Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of "forced assimilation" of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.

The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled "Innocent Until Proven Muslim" is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney's west, attended by about 800 people.

Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government "claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs" on Muslims.

While I'm not one that seeks to "force" anyone to do anything, the reality is that Islam presents no system for real justice nor has an Islamic system been established that ensures the liberty of men. Rather, for its 1400 year history, Islam has been notorious for oppression, not freedom.

"It's not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values," Mr Badar told the conference.

Right, and in Islamic countries Mr. Badar, how does that work? Do they impose their culture and values on outsiders? You bet your bottom dollar they do!

Badar claims that Australia presents a "disputed view of history."

Muslim AustraliaOf course, but here in America, we are fighting a "disputed view of history" of our own that was orchestrated by Abraham Lincoln, the greatest American tyrant next to Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Sobarkah that America has known! However, our values are biblical ones that are based on those who first established us. Our problem is that, for the most part, we have departed from those values.

"If you don't share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?" Mr Badar said.

Well, I would ask this, since you don't share those values, why do you want to live in a country that does? Wouldn't you be better served moving to Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan?

Badar claims that Australia's values are to "make Muslims less Islamic."

"It is nothing less than forced assimilation ... sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat," he said.

Now, why would anyone think Muslims are a security threat? They are putting them in their own Navy and allowing them to espouse Islamic views. Furthermore, Australia has paved the way for this ideology by disarming its people and making them a nation of victims, though they are beginning to come around to the reality of what the disarmament means in light of the coming sword of Islam.

Of course, because Australia does not want an Islamic culture! However, though try as it might, Australia will not actually "reform Islam."

Badar added that thought certain bills have been advanced in Australia to promote "a moderate form of Islam" that would "buy out some Imam," overall he said, "the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure."

And there you have it. You cannot "reform" Islam. There is no moderate Muslim. That is a fairy tale. You either follow Islam or you are a hypocrite. Christianity works very similarly.

The only way to "reform" an Islamist is to see them converted to Jesus the Christ, the God-man, and have them bow the knee to Him as King. So, American Christians, are you willing to take the Gospel to Islamists in your town? Are you ready to see the power of God that you claim to believe in Romans 1:16?

I sure am! So, let's learn a lesson about the mentality of Islamists in Australia and begin to deal with it appropriately!

from Freedom Outpost

The views expressed in this opinion article are solely those of their author and are not necessarily either shared or endorsed by


Sheila D (194)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 12:46 pm
This is getting out of hand...on both sides. What happened to tolerance?? Thanx Patricia.

Animae C (507)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 5:04 pm
Thanx Patricia

Walter F (129)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 7:21 pm
How can you tolerate the intolerant? Allah's children are making it harder all the time. If you cannot sing our anthem and pledge allegiance to the country you do not belong here. Soon they will want the union jack removed from our flag and replaced with a crescent and star. and the anthem replaced with an islamic chant Badar's phrase " an attempt to reform islam is doomed to failure." That's ominous as their ultimate aim is world domination and all nations living in the 'peace of islam',What a wonderful world that would be.It would be hell on earth.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 11:52 pm
Is there any time they aren't complaining?

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 25, 2016, 12:54 pm
All they do is complain, & the scary part is we cater to them because we're " afraid to hurt their feelings" , I don't give a rat's ass about their feelings .I will feel better when Obama is gone, & hope & pray whoever wins does not have the same outlook.

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 25, 2016, 9:48 pm
I am also sick of hearing about the Muslim's complaints. If they hate it here in our peaceful country why do they want to stay so badly? My Irish ancestors were not catered to nor were the Italians or many other races who were immigrants with nothing but the clothes on their backs standing in bread lines and working any job they could get and grateful to do it.

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 25, 2016, 10:29 pm
Correction: Australia's peaceful country too!

Stan B (123)
Friday February 26, 2016, 1:55 am
Great comment Ginger. Most immigrants had the same problems.
For some reason we have to walk on eggshells where Muslims are involved.

Past Member (0)
Friday February 26, 2016, 3:32 am
It's just the truth Stan. All other cultures were so glad to be in a peaceful place they had no problem pledging allegiance or singing a national anthem to their new country because of the opportunity to not starve to death. I don't know what's wrong with the Muslims but I say if you don't appreciate peace and order go back to the wonderful place you left from.

Patricia D (0)
Friday February 26, 2016, 7:53 am
Thank you

Birgit W (160)
Friday February 26, 2016, 3:54 pm
I never understood why our poor children have to listen or sing each day to the national anthem? What is it good for? When I went to school we said a little prayer, and went to work. I see it as a waste of time. Thanks.

Janis K (129)
Friday February 26, 2016, 4:38 pm
Thanks for sharing

Colleen L (3)
Friday February 26, 2016, 11:30 pm
Why can't they sing peace and love. Thanks Patricia

Roro l (0)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 1:37 am
Thank you

Ken L (28)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 10:58 am
If they don,t like it then get out. They should be grateful , send the complainers packing or Jail them for insulting a Great Country..

Janet B (0)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 1:37 pm

Patricia N (9)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 2:57 pm
I wonder why some of them move to western countries if they do not want to live our values.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 3:59 pm

@Patricia N. It's called Hijrah, (with or without an h at the end) which essentially means Islamic takeover by population displacement.


Angela Parker (1)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 4:35 pm
I don't understand why if these people had such a terrible life where they came from, why bring their oppressive beliefs with them to a peaceful country and a fresh start. I am also sick of anything that is said might offend them.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 6:58 pm

To spread Islam.


Gloria H (88)
Saturday February 27, 2016, 8:27 pm

You are free to leave whatever country you immigrate to. Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass as you walk out.
My German great grandfather became a US citizen by joining in the Civil War....You want to be a citizen? Then put on a uniform and fight for your new country. Suck it up like an adult. He was proud to have served even with a Confederate bullet in him. Thanks great grand dad for your sacrifice from all of us great grandkids who live in the US!

Frances Darcy (92)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 4:26 am
We must abide by the laws of the country in which I live ...if you don't like those laws or values, go somewhere else.Non-Muslims living in Islamic countries have to live by the very strict oppressive laws or suffer dire consequences... here in the west, we pander to these immigrants in fear of being called "racist".

Derek Richardson (192)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 4:41 am
They come not to conform to our way of life, but to take us into their deluded world.
Muslims, offended by everything and everyone who is not one of them. Even then they can't live together,the sunni and shiite muslims hate each other.
Stop pussyfooting around and stand up to our FREE SPEECH, and traditions.

Sylvia Walker (18)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 5:34 am
Sorry to be blunt, but if they can fit in Australia because the national anthem "offends" them, why don't they go to a country ruled by Islam? They seem to want to take over countries instead of accepting the hospitality and respect the customs of those countries.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 6:24 am
Throughout history, those who have been "in control" have wanted to dictate who should do what and where.

The British have imposed their so-called empire and might on various countries and then imposed a class/caste system whilst awarding those who fought on their behalf, land. LAND IS NOT ANYONE'S to give.

Same goes for America.

Religion just get hijacked along the way, given mankind doesn't like to take personal responsibility. It's always a "God's Fault."

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 6:43 am
This has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with oppressive values, morals AND RESPECT.

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Freya H (345)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 6:44 am
On the one hand, I am tired of so much intolerance against Muslims, and against the current US President. On the other hand, if Muslims want us "infidels" to tolerate and accept them, why are they so intolerant? What has happened to Islam? Moorish Spain was very tolerant for its time, with Christians, Jews and Muslims living side by side - if not in harmony, at least not at each other's throats either. Now Muslims want to control the world, like Christian Dominionists. It's scary. if Muslims can't stand to sing a certain nation's national anthem, that is their problem, not Australia's, not Australians', and not mine. What part of "Coexist" don't they understand?

Sara P (55)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 6:45 am
I live in Italy, a country that welcomed thousand and thousand of immigrants from everywhere. I underline that I'm cristian but not practicing. I don't and will respect any religion that put a limit on my freedom, I want and need rules and laws that respect persons and animals. I strongly refused people that have an archaic and obscurantist vision of the world, you come in my country and you have to respect who we are, our traditions, religion and laws. If you don't like that take your ass and go back where you come from, I'm tired to hear about this people that complain about everything, they cost us a river of money and nobody take care about our unemployed and native in difficulty. I repeat, you don't like this place? Go back to the wonderland where you come from where the only that you have is to breathe!|!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sara P (55)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 6:52 am
Sorry, in my comment I missed a word: Go back to the wonderland where you come from where the only RIGHT that you have is to breathe!|!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please forgive me.

pam w (139)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 7:42 am
Islam is totally incompatible with democratic values.



Sara P (55)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 10:05 am
I can say that I'm 'ignorant' about any other religion that is not mine but I absolutely refuse any kind of violence or extremist no matter where it come from, I'm scared about this madness, Isis is massacring persons in unspeakable way, persons of their same religion, we cannot tollerate all this cruelty, we cannot permit to the darkness to win, we have to help the light, there is not space in this world to somebody that want to take back the world to the dark middle age!!!!

Jo S (619)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 11:30 am
Noted & shared & don't agree!!!

Jo S (619)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 11:37 am
If they don't like it, let them leave!!!! In fact please do leave!!
Thanks Patricia & Ginger for the forward.

Trish K (29)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 12:19 pm
These right wing rags sure know how to stir up the people.
Good Golly miss molly and Great Balls of Fire. The Right Wing wins again.

. (0)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 12:24 pm
Noted, and shared

Mari D (81)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 12:53 pm
Geez, there will always be drama!!

Lucy S (46)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 2:13 pm
I couldn't AGREE MORE with all the comments. Noted. Thanks for the post.

Animae C (507)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 2:28 pm
It's actually hyped up;

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 3:40 pm

Read the link before you judge

S J (124)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 3:42 pm
thanks Patricia

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 3:50 pm
By The way I am from Australia and no child is made to sing the Anthem and that is a fact as I 2 nieces and nephews who are atheists and don't sing the Anthem at school

Shirley S (187)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 4:49 pm
......."when in Rome"

Salvador M (139)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 9:51 pm
Since when did care2 become a political platform?

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 10:20 pm
Again, this is not about politics, drama or religion. This is about spreading awareness of the immoral and disrespectful value system these people have toward all people who are not like them. My point was to get people reading and informed so that they will be aware of their surroundings and what they may or may not expect from Muslims and what they may be capable of. This is a potentially dangerous situation for women when you read further about their culture. There are good Muslim families I'm sure but as a whole they do not respect anyone who are not Muslim and the women and children are objects to be owned. World leaders have nothing to do with how these people act on a day to day basis. Please READ ALL YOU CAN AND JUST BE AWARE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN OR LACK THERE OF.

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 28, 2016, 10:56 pm
Thanks to all my friends who posted comments and to Patricia for bringing yet another dark matter into the light without fear. : )

Past Member (0)
Monday February 29, 2016, 3:20 am
If I had no home, was a stranger in a strange land, and that country's government and it's people allowed me to live alongside them, so that I could start my life over ----and they sang a song of their country, their anthem---and they sang hymns of their various faiths---even if I thought those tunes were not of where and how I was raised, I would not feel any different toward their kindness. I certainly wouldn't say, "Hey! Now that I'm here, you can't sing that anthem, or hymns anymore because it's not of my faith and homeland! That's not merely "cheeky", it's brazenly bullyish bad manners. I keep hearing that wherever they get a "toehold", they start to push to totally take over. I understand their desperate emotions upon arrival, but after it is established that you are now either trying to become or are a citizen of a new land, it's up to you to establish your own meetinghouse, church, to retain traditions of your homeland. You don't push the original citizens out of their's, or denounce their customs and traditions. Whew--glad their nerve isn't in my tooth!! Each generation teaches, by example as well, the next to be bullies. Worse, they teach total separatism with their attitude toward their fanatical, cultish religion. They teach that if someone is different than this and that---they're unacceptable--and many say, therefor must be killed. That's what just swarmed into so many countries, in angry, hateful, destructive hordes. Good luck and bless us one and all.

Shil O (0)
Monday February 29, 2016, 3:36 am
"On the one hand, I am tired of so much intolerance against Muslims,"

• Muslims murder 3,000 innocents in New York and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 202 tourists in Bali and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 333 schoolchildren and their teachers in Beslan and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 292 innocents, mainly Kenyans and Tanzanians at two US Embassies and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 241 US and 58 French peacekeepers in Beirut and expect no criticism.
• Muslims fire 4,000 Katyusha rockets into Northern Israel killing over 50 innocent civilians and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 52 in London and 191 in Madrid and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 200 in Mumbai and expect no criticism.
• Muslims behead Western hostages in Iraq, Buddhist monks in Thailand and Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia and expect no criticism.
• Muslims murder 500,000 in Darfur and expect no criticism.
• Muslims regard Jews as "sons of pigs and monkeys", and vow to nuke Israel and expect no criticism.
• Muslims force women to wear hideous sacks, stone women to death for getting raped and for leaving the home unescorted, engage in honor killings of sisters and daughters for unapproved dating, and expect no criticism.
• Muslims danced in the streets and handed out sweets to their kids to celebrate the 9/11 atrocity, and still expected no criticism.
• Since 9/11 Muslims have killed over 26,000 and wounded over 50,000 in terrorist attacks worldwide - and expect no criticism.
• Since 9/11 Muslims have committed terrorist attacks in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Chad, Chechnya, Dagestan, Denmark, East Timor, Egypt, England, Eritrea, Ethiopia, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ingushetia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Jordan-Iraq, Kabardino-Balkans, Kenya, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Mauritania, Morocco, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Gaza-Palestinian Authority, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Somalia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Arab Republic, United States, Uzbekistan and Yemen, and still expect no criticism.
• Muslims have carried out over 27,903 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11, and countless thousands since Islamic conquest began in 623 AD and expect no criticism.

Barbara K (61)
Monday February 29, 2016, 9:15 am
Just load them up and drop them off where they came from. Perhaps they would be happier there. Do that with any that complain. The complaints should stop soon. After all they should be grateful that Australia tolerates them at all. Thanks for the post, and thank you, Ken, for the forward.

Hugh Smith (112)
Monday February 29, 2016, 11:55 am
Everyone's point of view has to be heard and taken on board, imagine if it was us who were at risk of being murdered by insurgents we would want to go to a safe place ? I think that they should only be granted access to other countries short term and returned when the situation changes so they can rebuild and return to a safer environment.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Monday February 29, 2016, 12:37 pm

Yes, that compassionate, reasonable voice calls to almost everyone here. However, this is NOT like other situations.

These migrants are coming from Islamic country and are trying to impose the doctrine of Hijrah - repopulation of non-Islamic countries with the intention of making them Islamic forEVER.

There is no SHORT-term.

Islamic countries are almost uniformly dysfunction. Migrants largely come here to 1) NOT assimmilate; 2) get as many free benefits from the host country as they can, even if it means bankrupting the host country, 3) repopulating the country, 4) taking over all of its political mechanisms

This has been repeated many times in history. If it were another group like Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc., we wouldn't have this problem, because these groups do not have as part of their political ideology the takeover the entire world, as Islam does.

Therefore the idea that the is "temporary" is completely and tragically bogus. This is FOREVER, unless the Western Civilization wakes up in time and pushes them out. Otherwise, we are talking about the complete loss of Western civilization.


Elizabeth M (65)
Monday February 29, 2016, 2:31 pm
Noted. Thank You Patricia and Ginger for passing this along.

Rose Becke (141)
Monday February 29, 2016, 2:51 pm

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 12:18 am
Attempting to blame the ills of the world on Muslims is rather imbalanced, one-sided and smacks of intellectual naviety.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 1:21 am
Radicals will never succeed in their agenda in America! You can bet you sweet bippy on that! Can I get a PRAISE JESUS?

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 8:58 am
Any single individual speaks THEIR VERSION of truth AS THEY UNDERSTAND IT.

Watch this presentation of Natural Law, by Mark Passio, and get an education:

Animae C (507)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 12:47 pm
"Is there any time they aren't complaining?"
Stan's comment is hilarious!!!

And what exactly are most of you doing here?
Sure sounds like COMPLAINING!!

All you complainers from other countries, Rose B. & i are in AUSTRALIA why aren't you paying any attention to what we are saying?!?

Darren you've GOT IT!

Joy M (167)
Tuesday March 1, 2016, 7:34 pm
Thank you

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:07 am
Go AniMae


Patricia can speak for herself which she has done

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:16 am
GO AniMae



Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:21 am
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:22 am
Yes The above is our Anthem

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:24 am
Ditto Rose, Janice Banks requests NO MORE INTRODUCTIONS from Jihad Watch, aka ROB P. Speaking truthfully against the intense negative attitude and effects of large, angry, desperate hordes of a certain race, religion, belief system, does not automatically mean I, or anyone on this site, is totally dismissing, censuring and on a "witch hunt" for all who happen to be born into such. Just because a baby is born, this minute, of two parents of their race, religion, does not mean I hate and wish to kill it. I do not agree with their religion, if it condones their thinking of a baby born to others that way and condones what those desperate masses are doing. But, the innocent of their kind don't deserve our hatred and censure. Yes, everyone be alert. Online and off.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 1:57 am
Also, I wish to say "Hurrah" to Rose, from Australia, who has given us her country's anthem lyrics. I should think anyone would find them welcoming...."We've boundless plains to share". Lovely and inoffensive. Thanks Rose.

Animae C (507)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 3:29 am
Thanx Rose!!!

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 4:05 am
As a 5th generation Australian, this makes me sick! These people get treated like royalty here, they get money from the government, rent assistance, help in finding employment, health care cards which entitle them to many benefits including free medical treatment, free vaccinations especially tailored for them as in no pig products in them, free english lessons, and so on. We would never be treated so well in an Islamic country if we went there, I've been to Islamic countries, I know what goes on. If they want to bitch and complain, they can leave. I have to wonder why they come here since nothing seems good enough for them. Apparently to try and make Australia into an Islamic country. Never going to happen. This is a predominantly christian country and that's the way it will stay. if they had their way we wouldn't have Christmas. I very ungrateful and rude is what they are.

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 4:14 am
Sorry, mistake in last sentence, now rectified - As a 5th generation Australian, this makes me sick! These people get treated like royalty here, they get money from the government, rent assistance, help in finding employment, health care cards which entitle them to many benefits including free medical treatment, free vaccinations especially tailored for them as in no pig products in them, free english lessons, and so on. We would never be treated so well in an Islamic country if we went there, I've been to Islamic countries, I know what goes on. If they want to bitch and complain, they can leave. I have to wonder why they come here since nothing seems good enough for them. Apparently to try and make Australia into an Islamic country. Never going to happen. This is a predominantly christian country and that's the way it will stay. if they had their way we wouldn't have Christmas. Very ungrateful and rude is what they are.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 5:36 am

Marie P (205)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 6:35 am
Many run away from chaos and once settled in the new country they create chaos. Countries accepting refugees should take a stand and deport these people if they don't appreciate living in peace and harmony and put our tax dollar to better use.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 12:26 pm

Nimue, I have heard it from people who see it themselves. I agree.

Marie, the sad thing is that there are people from Islamic countries who desperately want to get away from Islam! This especially goes for women who have been suffered from female genital mutilation or have been threatened with honor killings for wanting to do something like marrying the man they love or for talking to a boy or for may other reasons, like a chance at equal opportunity, or a good education.
None of these things can be found in most Islamic countries.

But when masses of Islamic migrants come (and they ARE being financed) to settle with other Muslims, to refuse to change their culture or ideals to any degree to match those of the host country, but wait for the day that they can take over, they are doing PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of what those Muslims and Muslimas who are trying to escape the horrible oppression of Islam have come to the West to do.

We in Western civilization have betrayed these Muslims. We have held out the hope of freedom, of democracy and we have closed the door, only to force these people to see Sharia justice in parallel Sharia courts.

Unless we change course quickly and radically, we will witness Western Civilization collapse before our eyes. It might not be very convenient, but we need to decide what kind of future we want and how to make sure we can still have it.


Melanie Simon (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 2:55 pm
An extremist writing about an extremist, neither of them representing the majority views, beliefs or actions of the people they claim to represent...only an audience gives them power.

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 3:15 pm
Thanks Janice

Have any of you got a Muslim friend ?

Walter F (129)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 5:26 pm
Yes Rose ,one.He comes from Iran and came after his brother was hanged ed as a homosexual He despises islam and all it stands for. He's more than happy to sing the national anthem and salute the flag.,He would gladly die for this country. Pity there were more like him.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 5:30 pm
I sent you a star Patricia ~ just for having the guts to post this rubbish and bring out some of your like minded friends!

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 5:38 pm

An angel of death in white.... Somethings are just rubbish, or at best, certainly inconsistent.


Walter F (129)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 8:21 pm
"pity there were not more" .......sorry

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 11:10 pm
Hi Rose. No I can't say I have any muslim friends although I welcome and have always welcomed all people regardless of race or religion into my life who were peaceful and tolerant. I did however run into one in the local computer/repair shop down the road here a couple of months ago who while he was testing my computer told me that I should not be out and about by myself. Stunned, I asked him why? He replied "because I could be raped." I then said well if that is the case then men could be raped too. He repled "No!" "It is different for men. I proceeded to listen to him because all I really wanted was to get my computer fixed and get out of there. He then told me women shouldn't be allowed to drive or ever be somewhere without someone with them. I listened to a bunch of other sexist nonsense he had to say about how he didn't allow women in his family to work or drive or own a car because the men would take care He said "This is the muslim way."
I am presently reading the Story of Mohammed but just started so I am only on Chapter 6. I work two jobs so I can only educate myself on this a little everyday as I also work Sat. and Sun. Rarely a day off. This is the translated version from Arabic which most of the muslim followers have not read and has been hidden from them and never translated until now as Mohammed demanded it to be. . Jihad's links are safe at least The Story of Mohammed is as nothing has happened to my computer. This is just the true story of this guy who reminds me a lot of a cult leader or an intolerant Hitler who invented this religion or rather cult who heard voices either because he was mentally ill or they were voices from an evil source and he claimed to be a prophet. I can't believe any good source or God would tell him to start such an atrocious religion and bully and kill people who did not submit to it which he did to the other religions in his town which you will also read about in the translation when you educate yourself too. . It is very interesting and very educational. I will let you know more as I get a complete grasp on this matter.

By the way, we probably need to move this discussion to another discussion board as this is much more involved and wide spread than this little article about Australia. Maybe we could title it :The Story of Mohammed or The Muslim Agenda. Thanks Rose and all who are trying to educate yourselves on this matter.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 2, 2016, 11:21 pm
The Story of Mohammed

The Chapters are short and there are only 30 something Chapters.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 2:18 am
The kind of future you want to see, Patricia, is the kind of future being played out in front of your eyes, predicated by your filtered vision of how you and your cohorts would like to see things managed.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 2:52 am
Hi Darren and thanks for the great video on Natural Law. I watched it for about 4 hours. I really like that guy and he is very wise. That being said I don't see how trying to educate ourselves on the history of Mohammed is in question. Like he said the past and now is truth. I like you but why do you keep picking on Patricia for bringing the truth into light even if you think it is not your truth or you disagree? It is not right to use Natural Law in this situation especially where hard facts are present. Why do you not want to be educated and read the Arabic translation of Mohammed. It's as if some of you are trying to hide it and keep it from being read. Again thanks for the video I will finish it too. : )

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 4:57 am
PeaceGoodwill, I don't support any of the hate organizations you mentioned or the bombing of countries. I'm not sure why you are so angry and filled with rage and violent thoughts with a name like PeaceGoodwill and hoping to wipe out people that are hipocrites. Who are the hipocrites? I just read in one of the chapters of The Story of Mohammed that that is what Mohammed named the people whom he forced to adopt his Muslim religion but didn't want to. I am not good at fighting with people or confrontations and so I won't be responding to anymore hateful posts. I do hope you will find peace with yourself soon.

Glennis Whitney (393)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 6:55 pm
our Ex PM done alot of stirring with the Muslims with the way he talked about the evil ones.they have been in Australia for over 100 years and the trouble only started when Howard, Bush and Blair went to war on a lie, where are all the weapons of Mass Destruction????? They should have stayed out of Iraq and Afghanistan that was the start of the Talibans and Jihad. The government needs more communication with the Muslim Leaders. I haven't met a bad one some even treat you better then some Aussies. Thank you for caring and sharing Patricia

Glennis Whitney (393)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 6:59 pm
our Ex PM done alot of stirring with the Muslims with the way he talked about the evil ones.they have been in Australia for over 100 years and the trouble only started when Howard, Bush and Blair went to war on a lie, where are all the weapons of Mass Destruction????? They should have stayed out of Iraq and Afghanistan that was the start of the Talibans and Jihad. The government needs more communication with the Muslim Leaders. I haven't met a bad one some even treat you better then some Aussies. Thank you for caring and sharing Patricia

Glennis Whitney (393)
Thursday March 3, 2016, 7:01 pm
Everyone to themselves Thank you for caring and sharing.Patricia

wendy k (162)
Friday March 4, 2016, 1:23 pm
Muslims, Muslims, Muslims, ? They are people first, "Muslim" is not a Country or a race, it is a Religion,
I am British / English, and locally known as a Brummie, (from Birmingham UK) - I happen to be a Christian, I am not called just a -Christian .
To live as a Christian is very hard, it is not a case of simply saying "Praise Jesus", . It's "loving your neighbour"
that does not mean you love "Terrorists",- It wasn't Muslims that murdered all those people , stated by someone further up the posts, - It was "Terrorists" - who call themselves Muslims..
Did no-one see the staff who worked at the hotel in Turkey, - where all the Brits were "Gunned down" while simply sun bathing ?
The staff stood in front of the tourists, helping to get them to safety, - telling the terrorists, "We are Muslims, you have to murder us first , before you can Murder these people behind us" ?
Also the "Muslims" in Africa, who surrounded a Christian Church, where people were praying,- To protect the church goers, from again Terrorists, who were Muslims . The people protecting the Church goers, told the terrorists, "Not in my name" get out of here, or Murder us first".
Muslims I know do not object to Christmas, they love it and join in,- "why would it offend me, such a beautiful joyful time"?
I would not have any worries telling the authorities that someone was a terrorist, by the way, before anyone calls me an apologist for a terrorist..
The only reason ISIS has become what they are today, is due to the "west's" interference, leaving them an opening, and leaving the people there in danger..
You cannot lose your culture, you can improve it. and we are all products of invasions,
Australia, America, Britain, France, have not treated the people who lived in their lands the indigenous people's / First Nation / Native, / Tribal peoples well, ?
maybe now due to feeling that they will be swamped, and will lose everything they know to "Invaders" They can look back into the past, and change things in their own Countries for the people who lived there before them ? and look kindlier upon the people who long for a "Future" for their families, Which is the reason they are leaving their homelands in droves.
Our Governments should use the best brains, get together, to make the Countries people are fleeing from, a better safer place for them to live,
We should all remember Muslims are people , and people from different countries, with different customs , but a true Muslim, does not believe in violence or War,
What has been quoted as from the "Kur'an" is an interpretation, - just as people can wrongly interpret the
"Holy Bible" .. = "KKK"
So look to our Governments to step up their actions to help make the war torn & worn countries, a better safer place for the people to live in, people would not be wanting to leave to find a better future, they would see the future there,- with their families and friends,
Peace be with you , and As Salaam Alaikum

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2016, 6:51 pm

Millions of Muslim men in Afghanistan rape young boys every day.

It's an ancient practice called "bacha bazi." It means "boy play," and it's absolutely evil.

What's this "cultural tradition"? Men dress young boys up as women, forcing them to dance, and bid to buy them - so they can enslave them and rape them daily.

It's sexual torture, creating generations of consequences corroding the culture.

Reportedly, U.S. troops are ordered by the military bureaucracy to look the other way and do nothing. Americans can't be silent.

We're on Capitol Hill, demanding the Obama Administration address these atrocities. We're fighting for these young boys at the United Nations, presenting an oral intervention in just days.

Our pressure is beginning to work. A bipartisan group of nearly 100 Members of Congress has initiated a crucial investigation.

But we must do more to stop the sexual torture of children. Be a voice for these young boys.

Sign Our Petition: Stop the Sexual Torture of Afghani Kids.

Jay Sekulow
ACLJ Chief Counsel

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2016, 6:56 pm

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2016, 6:59 pm
In the Middle East, ISIS jihadists massacre Christians. Those who survive are raped and sold into slavery. It's a blatant genocide of Christians. Yet the Obama Administration refuses to call it genocide, denying critical legal protections to persecuted Christians. We cannot abandon them. We've mobilized our offices on Capitol Hill and across the globe to fight back.

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Walter F (129)
Friday March 4, 2016, 8:59 pm
Ginger i"ve signed that petition.Those filthy disgusting men are not fit to be members of the human race. What makes it more evil is that it is acceptable in their culture.All child abuse is evil andunacceptable and that includes our country.At least we try to stamp it out and make sure offenders are named and shamed and go into the slammer where their days are far from pleasant

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2016, 9:29 pm
A-Men Walter F. Thanks for signing.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 2:14 am
Very well said, Wendy!

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 2:58 am
A refugee invasion is currently taking place in Europe and transforming the continent into Eurabia right before our very eyes.
Each day we see more of the devastating impact that hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees are having in welcoming countries. Many of these “refugees” are neither Syrian nor refugees. Many of them do not even speak Arabic, cannot tell you where they came from in Syria, and have no official documents. They make up their own names and there is no way to accurately vet them.
They are Afghans fleeing the Taliban; Eritreans fleeing their own oppressive government; and many thousands more hail from Iraq, Pakistan, and sub-Saharan Africa.
And to top it all off, ISIS has declared that they have already smuggled 4,000 of their members into Europe as refugees. The Paris attack has proven that this is indeed happening.
Areas housing the refugees have seen an increase in refugee rape, theft, gang activity, intimidation, and organized crime. German media are now reporting that thousands of these so-called “refugees” have already disappeared and are now in Germany -- unaccounted for.
This is but a foreshadowing of what will take place in our nation soon, if our government is foolish enough to follow suit – and President Obama and his Administration already have announced plans to increase the number of refugees accepted by the U.S. to at least 100,000 next year.
Click HERE to see information about terrorists who came to the U.S. as refugees, only to commit terror attacks against Americans - including the Tsarnaev Brothers/Boston Bombers.
We must stop this insanity. If the citizens of this nation band together to speak a resounding “NO” to our elected officials – we can.
But we need your help.
ACT for America has successfully stopped other out of control policy trains by using the petition as a tool, gathering over 100,000 signatures.
There is power in numbers.
Please take just a few minutes of your valuable time, RIGHT NOW, to sign our Open Letter to the U.S. Congress – expressing your strong opposition to allowing ANY Syrian refugees into the United States.
Your name, along with tens of thousands of others who sign this Open Letter, will be hand delivered to the leadership in the U.S. Congress by our Director of Government Relations. They will receive our message, loud and clear.
Silence and inactivity by the American grassroots will turn the U.S. into the same refugee nightmare that Europe and other nations are currently experiencing – a situation that won’t be easily rectified.
We must say “NO” NOW! We must stop any effort to bring tens of thousands of Syrian refugees into the U.S. – NOW – before it’s too late.
You can help make a difference by signing our Open Letter.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 3:02 am

Areas housing the refugees have seen an increase in refugee rape, theft, gang activity, intimidation, and organized crime. German media are now reporting that thousands of these so-called “refugees” have already disappeared and are now in Germany -- unaccounted for.
This is but a foreshadowing of what will take place in our nation soon, if our government is foolish enough to follow suit – and President Obama and his Administration already have announced plans to increase the number of refugees accepted by the U.S. to at least 100,000 next year.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 3:56 am
I'm sorry Peace. Could you translate this into Layman's terms for me?
Thanks Ginger...........contacting many Human Rights organisations I am involved with as we speak......some have observers on the ground.
And this:
but we are a gambling nation.... and I put my money on Trump the first day he my odds will pay good dividends.... sorry for getting off topic
Sorry I can't understand you sometimes. Please don't take offense.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 4:55 am
Ben Carson Correct on Sharia Law
The following was written by Ramachandra B. Abhyankar and published in the reader's forum of the Tribune Star here.

Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson recently made the following statements:

“I do not believe Sharia is consistent with the Constitution of this country.”
“I can support a Muslim who denounces Sharia law.”

Dr. Carson has raised the debate to a higher level, by speaking the truth.

Muslim theologian Abul Ala Maududi, in his book, “Towards Understanding Islam” explains that a practicing Muslim must follow both, “Din” (religion, consisting of the five pillars of Islam) and Sharia (Islamic Law). Sharia (Islamic Law) plays a central role in Islam. Former Muslims Solomon and Al-Maqdisi, in their book, “The Mosque Exposed” explain that there is no personal relationship between man and Allah in Islam, and that worship in Islam is to uphold “Allah’s will” which is Sharia, and if opposed, makes Jihad necessary.

Muslims enjoy equal rights with all in non-Muslim countries, where they are in a minority. But when they are in a majority, as in the countries of the Islamic world, they use Sharia Law as a weapon to deny equal rights to non-Muslims, and to violate the human rights of non-Muslims. Dr. Carson has not condemned the religious component of Islam. Dr. Carson has only condemned that component of Islam which Muslims use to deny equal rights to non-Muslims, and to violate the human rights of non-Muslims, when Muslims become the majority, as in countries of the Islamic world.

— Ramachandra B. Abhyankar, Terre Haute

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 5:14 am
Rochdale sex trafficking gang
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Rochdale sex trafficking gang preyed on under-age white teenage girls in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, England. Gang members were convicted of sex trafficking and other offences including rape, trafficking girls for sex and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child, on 8 May 2012.[1] Forty-seven girls were identified as victims of child sexual exploitation during the police investigation.[2][3][4] The men were all British Pakistanis except for one man from Afghanistan and all were from Muslim background. The girls were all white British which led to a nation wide discussion of whether the crimes were racially motivated, or whether the failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racism.[5] In March 2015, Greater Manchester Police apologised for its failure to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010.[6]

Gang members

Twelve men were charged with sex trafficking and other offences including rape, trafficking girls for sex and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 5:18 am
Jihad Watch

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts
UK: City that covered up Muslim rape gangs wants to ban anti-child rape protests

May 27, 2015 2:37 pm By Robert Spencer

Rotherham-Child-Abuse-Protest-1,400 British non-Muslim children were gang-raped and brutalized by Muslims in Rotherham, and “several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

The real people responsible for these 1,400 abused children are those who, like far-Left hate campaigners Nick Lowles and Fiyaz Mughal, created a culture in which those who knew about this hesitated to speak out, for fear of being called “racist.” They are the ones who ought to be put on trial — Lowles and Mughal and their ilk. But instead, Rotherham wants to ban protests against child rape. Britain’s surrender and submission to Sharia-inspired brutality is nearly complete.

“Rotherham Council And Police Want Powers To Ban Anti-Child Rape Protests,” by Oliver Lane, Breitbart, May 26, 2015 (thanks to Inexion):

Officials in the Pakistani child rape gang scandal town of Rotherham are moving to ban protests against their own incompetence. They have appealed to the home secretary for emergency special powers under the Public Order Act 1986.

The council first came to national prominence when its social services worked together with elements of the police to spectacularly fail to detect the systematic grooming, rape and prostitution of over 1,400 vulnerable children. The victims were often in the care of the council children’s services and “as young as 12″, and “barely pubescent”. Council commissioners claim the protests against them are becoming prohibitively expensive to police, with one event in September 2014 costing over one million pounds, meaning they should therefore be banned, reports local newspaper The Star.

Commissioner Mary Ney, who was appointed by the government as part of a group of five professionals who took over running the town in February to replace the failed former council, acknowledged that the £2 million extra spent on policing operations was covered by Home Office spending in her letter. Writing to the Home Secretary Theresa May, commissioner complained it was the protests, rather than the problem the town has with child rape that was causing reputational damage: She wrote:

“Over an extended period, the town has been subject to a significant number of events by right-wing groups, and counter demonstrations by left wing groups.

“This has, and continues to, consume a vast amount of police resource, both within and outside South Yorkshire, at significant cost to the public purse. However, more significant is the damage to the reputation of the town, and the impact that this has had on the town centre in particular, which has been the focus of these events.

“Due to their regularity there is a real perception amongst people using the town that it is not safe, and that there are protests every Saturday… The town needs to move on and further events will be damaging both to community cohesion, and the ability of the town to recover”.

Despite insisting it was time for the town to forget child abuse and move on, The Star also reports today a further four men were arrested this weekend for ‘abduction and grooming’.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 5:37 am
Religious Freedom Coalition - Promoting Religious Freedom and Family Based Legislation

Muslim Child Slavery Gangs Rampant In UK
Mar 26th, 2014 | By Editor2 | Category: Featured

These Muslim thugs ran a child sex slavery ring in the UK. They received a combined prison sentence of 95 years.

British authorities are more concerned about being politically correct than protecting children from Muslim child sex abuse gangs.

A new report published in England, “Easy Meat: Multiculturalism, Islam, And Child Sex Slavery,” exposes the failure of government officials in England and Wales in fighting against the rise of Muslim child sex slavery gangs.

The report notes that police, social workers, teachers, politicians, the media and other culture forces in the UK have been far more concerned about multiculturalism and political correctness than actually protecting children from sex slavery.

According to Islamist expert Soeren Kern, writing for The Gatestone Institute, this conspiracy of silence was not broken until 2010 when a Muslim sex ring of 13 men was exposed. They have already enslaved and abused 100 children. The sex slave trade had gone on since at least 1988.

Kern points out:

“The report shows that even documents that supposedly address the problem of child grooming have gone out of their way to avoid discussing why some “ethnic groups” are massively over-represented as perpetrators—the study calculates that Muslims are 154 times more likely to be perpetrators of these crimes than non-Muslims—while the schoolgirl victims are overwhelmingly of a different ethnic group.”

He continues:

“One of the defining features of child grooming is the ethnic/cultural homogeneity of the gang members, and the refusal of other members of their community to speak out about them or to condemn their behavior. According to the report, the gangs are often made up of brothers and members of their extended family, many from Pakistan, who take part in the grooming and/or rape of the schoolgirls.

“The report states that grooming gangs target young girls, aged between 11 and 16, because the gang members want virgins and girls who are free of sexual diseases. ‘Most of the men buying sex with the girls have Muslim wives and they don’t want to risk infection,’ the report states. ‘The younger you look, the more saleable you are.’”

Islam Promotes Child Sex
The “Easy Meat” report documents that Islam from its beginnings, has condoned child sex. It notes:

1) “The laws in various Islamic states show that they think that Aisha [who was married to Mohammad at the age of six] was under 10 when Mohammed had sex with her. And to Muslims, Mohammed is regarded as the perfect man; it is part of their religion that they should emulate his behavior.”

2) “Muslim men are taught in mosques that women are second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority.”

3) “The Koran makes a distinction between legal wives and slaves, and instructs Muslim men that they can have sex with either their wives or their slaves.”

4) “Not only are Muslim men permitted legally and morally to rape their slaves, but they are also forgiven if they turn a slave girl into a prostitute.”

5) “There are also features of Islam which are supremacist and which look with contempt at non-Muslims.”

6) “The Hadiths also permit Muslims to rape women who are captured after a battle (whereupon they become the property of Muslims, that is, they become slaves).”

If Muslim sex slavery rings aren’t bad enough, there are now increasing numbers of UK judges who are using Sharia law to give light sentences to Muslim men who have raped underage girls! Political correctness and a blind faith in “multiculturalism” is destroying England and resulting in the molestation and rape of hundreds of non-Muslim girls throughout the UK.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 5:49 am
I have to go to work now but next I will be posting why Muslims won't mess with Texas, China, Russia and the Swiss.

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 4:32 pm
Peace I love you and you are making me laugh in a good way !

Wendy a great comment also

wendy k (162)
Saturday March 5, 2016, 7:42 pm
Thanks Rose, PeaceGoodwill to all, & Darren, I really think it's a shame, when there is a debate, and the main instigator just rolls off reams of stats.
Re what happened in Manchester, UK, those men are in prison for a long time, and rightly so, . but the reason the girls were so easily "groomed", is they were lost to the care system, . It really isn't as simple a case as Ginger makes out, many people were at fault, but that is another debate in the making.
As is the abuse of boys.
I hate to mention how many paedophiles have deliberately got positions that allow access to children,
including the legal eagles, Priests, teachers, Doctors, . - there will be the scum who pray on the vulnerable , in any country,
I notice the fact that until in very recent history, the KKK were accepted, by the single fact, they were not legally challenged., oh and they were "whiter than white , " were they not?
I agree something has to be done about those fleeing their homelands, but not because of who they are? but because they are in need of help. and that is the difference between Ginger & my own points of view.
To point the finger at others, make sure that finger is clean first ! xxxxxxxxxxxxx night all xxxxxxxx .

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday March 6, 2016, 2:55 am
The other major point to make in all this, is that AUSTERITY CUTS HARM social services, this leading to a breakdown in cohesion in society.

You want to balance the books, you do it AFTER you've made sure that everyone in society can cope.

The right-wing, Conservative, Republican mindset on this issue is completely out of kilter with actual reality.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Sunday March 6, 2016, 12:58 pm

Hi, Ros. No, I'm here off and on, running around, checking in from time to time. Didn't think I necessarily needed to control the dialog.

Here's a news clip about Islamic extremist/terrorist brainwashing of children in Sydney. And, of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg - in Australia and other Western countries.



Patricia Martinez (63)
Monday March 7, 2016, 8:13 am

Wow, this thread is very, very long..........

Not that any wrongs should be swept under the rug. Islam's political ideology wants to take over the entire globe. That's what makes it distinct from any other similar characteristic it shares with any other historic ill.


Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday March 7, 2016, 12:28 pm
The mixed up, confused, sect/cult that is Islam's Fundamentalist political ideology is no different to other delusional, paranoid, ultra unhealthy, arrogant, egoistical parasites that have existed throughout time. . .

Jihad IS an INNER STRUGGLE, and those of you who want to actually believe their press statements to the contrary, are actually feeding that dangerous narrative.

Hitler and his deranged, demented Third Reich of cloned glove puppets were equally delusional in wanting THEIR twisted and distorted version of a perfect race, as were Christian before them.

Then there is the Aristocratic White Man who has subjected the original indigenous population of the Americas to countless amount of bloodshed, and subjected black races to lifetimes of slavery.

Britain and America have tried to impose their faux version of democrazy over large parts of the globe in a bid to control their own riches and resources (Oil, minerals, strategic land masses, etc.)

Patricia Martinez (63)
Monday March 7, 2016, 3:38 pm


Some reality checks are in need.

The Myth:

Jihad simply means 'struggle' and really just refers to a peaceful striving against sin rather than a holy war to spread Islam.

The Truth:

In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agree was fabricated.

By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Sahih Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad. Each carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war).

Patricia Martinez (63)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 9:14 am

I do think this thread has been beaten to death.


Margarita R (24)
Monday March 14, 2016, 2:58 pm
thanks for sharing
it makes one thinking
any comment should be educated and not hurtful
I am certain that Australia (a country I visited many times and love) can handle the problem.
Years ago the premier were very blunt and said, that people who like the sharia should go where it is used but not stay in Australia!.

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Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:20 am
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Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:07 am
Beaten to death, is just the kind of mental mindset your "brain" has crystallized into.

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