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BREAKING: French Mass Murder Suspect Islamist Jihadist

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The suspect in the attacks was described as 24 years old, of French descent from Toulouse with an Algerian mother, who had trained in camps on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and proclaimed al-Qaida ties. The other suspect was described as his brother


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Carola May (20)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 12:09 am
And two more injured so far. So twisted. But is it any wonder when Mohammed and his god Allah say things like:

"The Prophet said, 'But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it
were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.'"Bukhari:V4B55N547

Bukhari:V4B52N176 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O Abdullah
(slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him."'"
Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight
with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"

Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and
evil people."

Ishaq:250 "The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes,

There is so much hate taught in Islam toward all non-Muslims, but the Jews are singled out for a double dose of it.

The question, therefore, isn't 'why' this happened. The question is 'why it doesn't happen more often!' with this kind of hate taught to Muslim kids in Madrassas all over the world every day.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 12:59 am
I can't put in words - here on this post - what I would like to see done to this murderer. To say he has very low intelligence is putting it mildly.....and there are so many like him.

Fred H (31)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 1:20 am
Wow, you mean a Muslim did this?!? I sure didn't see THAT coming!

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 1:34 am
Very few suspected a Muslim because of the deaths of the 3 French soldiers who also happened to be Muslim.
If this doesn't make European nations sit up and think nothing will.
Noted and forwarded thanks RnJ.

Hilary S (65)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 2:13 am
what sort of depraved brainwashing underpins such murderous rages? and what sort of religion builds itself around hatred & fear?
there are indeed too many ignorant people whose minds are being moulded to murder.
my heart goes out to the families of those children and their rabbi.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 2:26 am
Mine too Hilary. You have to wonder about an ideology that teaches it's perfectly ok to murder innocent young children.

Beth S (330)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 3:24 am
The M.O. was pure Islam/Nazi. Going and killing young children. Surprised he didn't behead them - unarmed innocents. Wow, I bet Allah's sure proud of this piece of the stinking shit that did this.

Islam: the bane of humanity.

Barbara K (61)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 5:21 am
I think that anything that builds itself around hatred and fear and violence should not even be considered a religion. It is nothing but hate campaigns.

monica r (41)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 5:33 am
"Very few suspected a Muslim because of the deaths of the 3 French soldiers who also happened to be Muslim."

And I think some of us here were already insulted for suggesting it was likely a Muslim perpetrator, as well. So now we know it is, what should be remembered is that they kill each other all the time. They kill each other for being Sunni instead of Shi'ite or vice versa. They kill each other for not being Wahbbists, they kill each other because Ahmadiyya "aren't really Islam". They send 12 year olds to behead traitors and 6 year olds to suicide bomb. They kill each other for any perceived slight.

We in the west must get our heads around the concept that killing is always the answer for the Islamists. Stop projecting our own values onto them. What western mother raises her sons to become suicide "martyrs"? But there are mothers who do, and the shining example has 3 sons gone out of 10 and in interviews said she'd gladly see them all die the same way. That's what she raised them for.

Their values are not our values. Multiculturalists are telling us that their values are not just equal to ours but better, and we should not just tolerate them but embrace them. We might think twice about that. Just what do we want to embrace for ourselves? Life? Peace? Freedom? Or revenge? Death? More death in the name of "honor"?

Europe's great social experiment is a whopping failure. Unfortunately that means little kids are going to get run down and shot point blank. I can't even imagine the terror these children felt in their last moments. My heart and prayers are with these innocent victims and their families.

Max M (32)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 6:43 am
The murderer is a French national and before we blame all Muslims, let's hear the facts. However, that doesn't diminish the fact that an overwhelming preponderance of Muslims, immigrants and non, do not integrate into the society of their host nation.

One of my students is a gay man from Holland and tells me horror stories of being chased, beaten and humiliated by marauding Muslim gangs. There are now entire areas in Europe and the UK where police are afraid to go. As Islam and its proponents gain in numbers, as human history has shown, they dominate from within by asserting their influence, changing the very society that had welcomed them.

This is not going to end well. Non Muslims are going to reach a point of enough and when they do, religious based civil war will erupt. The epic failure of non assimilation has started to happen here in the US & Canada and yes, those Muslims that want to lead peaceful, productive lives and do integrate into society, are just as afraid. Truly, I fear for all of us.

Jennifer Ward (40)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 6:44 am
Wow- he's just been arrested- his name is Mohammed- who would have thought it would have been a peace lovin' devotee of the Religion of Peace and Love?

Jennifer Ward (40)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 7:02 am
Its getting close to erupting into civil war all over the world. What's wrong with politicians inflicting these violent thugs onto peaceful citizens and telling us that they are not dangerous? I have been attacked and racially vilified for no other reason than being white. I was so shocked I only gave my assailent a couple of punches because they would not let go of me- next time I will not be so kind.

Michela M (3964)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 7:03 am

Cousin It Addams (8)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 7:43 am

"The murderer is a French national and before we blame all Muslims, let's hear the facts."

all for that. but al-awlaki, the top guy of aqap (al qaeda in the arabian peninsula) was born in new mexico. and look at all he did. being born in the country doesn't automatically mean you're loyal to it.

you're right that there are plenty of muslims that don't want anything but to live their life quietly, but time for them and everyone to start speaking up LOUDLY against the ones who are into killing and terror. i don't know a single christian that doesn't denounce what those phelps bastards are doing as unchristian. there are lots of people that counter-protest when they show up. so why aren't we seeing a huge backlash from muslims when terror acts happen? are they afraid to speak out? or are they too busy cause they're dancing in the streets again?

Beatrice B (112)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 9:10 am
About 300 French police evacuated the area surrounding the apartment building in Toulouse Wednesday where the suspect in the deadly attack on a Jewish school has been holed up.

Earlier, the 24-year-old French national, who identified himself as Mohammed Merah, said he was a member of al Qaeda. He reportedly told police the school shootings were to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children.

He also confessed to killing three off-duty French soldiers the week before to protest the involvement of French troops with NATO forces.

After telling police he would surrender in the afternoon, he cut off communications, Interior Minister Claude Gueant told reporters at the scene.

Gueant said French Intelligence services had kept Merah under surveillance since the shooting deaths of the three soldiers in part because of his trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

And a fat lot of good French Intelligence's surveillance did for the deaths in that school.

Of course, as long as mullahs preach hatred, young moslems will be indoctrinated.

Kit B (276)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 9:37 am

And Trayvon Martin was murdered in Florida, in fact every day children are murdered all over the world. Not one of the murders is more or less important then any other. Is a child's murder more significant because he is Jewish or equal to the horror of children murdered world wide? Please people don't make things a one way situation. There is a man on Care2 that posts hundreds of posters each week about abducted and missing children and adults are they less important or for many, any less dead because they may not be Jewish? I have lost a child, and I resent the hell out of using the death of a child for a CAUSE.

pam w (139)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 9:48 am
Nowhere on any thread here have I EVER seen ANYONE "blame all Muslims" for acts of violence, etc.

The "defenders of Islam" like to pretend/accuse that we do this---but it doesn't happen. Ultimately, of course, what DOES happen is that being part of a violent, murderous group will always cast suspicion on individuals. We'd have to be insane to NOT look at Muslims with suspicion--the human mind evolved with the ability to make comparisons. It keeps us alive.

Because Islam, regardless of what its proponents/parrots insist, condones violence and murder under circumstances too numerous to mention, including blasphemy, apostacy, ANYTHING to do with Israel and Jews, wherever they may be found, "crimes" committed by women, etc.

Furthermore, it's not "just" a religion---it's a political system which attempts to control EVERYONE who lives under it. This might explain why "moderate" Muslims don't speak up and condemn acts like the murder of school children. They realize the dangers of freedom of's likely to get you KILLED.

bob m (32)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 9:55 am

Peaceful islam...remember matrix... the plug wire in the back of head?... if you don't believe in "extremism"...pull your plug out's there plugeed in from past times ..and it will lead you into hell if you don't
renounce it....

bob m (32)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 10:06 am

islam has developed some strange alliances throughout its' history ... as a part of its' stated intent. the fascists amongst others.... look up...John 3:16

Vlasta M (7)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 11:02 am
Considering that 20% of ALL Muslims in Great Britain CONDONE "honor" murder, it is not surprising that those Muslims who don't do not dare to speak out against VIOLENCE explicitly taught by Koran and Hadith. There are now 44 milllions of Muslims who were allowed to Europe to escape from their dysfunctional countries. While some older Muslims just want to live good lives, their children are being taught to hate in mosques by medieval evil imams and mullahs who are living on the dole and get funding from Saudis and Iran.

West MUST WAKE up and ship those violent Islamists back to their parents countries of origin, where they can join other medieval evil men ruled by sharia and its cruelty. Islam is INCOMPATIBLE with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and has not place in any modern society UNLESS REFORMS and stop taking as a role model a pedophile polygamist and murderer

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 12:41 am
This is so pathetic to see happen!! It's getting worse every single day! Here is an article I got from my brother in law today and it really tells the story!!

A German's View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he
said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were
too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a
bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen.
Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and
the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up
in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that
Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims
just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be
true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to
make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of
fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It
is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is
the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the
fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent
majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of
about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China
's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up,
because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and
find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay
attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our
way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes
this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness
that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send
this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read
this and think about it, and send it on.

Emanuel Tanay, M.D. 2980 Provincial St. Ann Arbor , MI 48104 734-997-0256

Jay S (116)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 1:08 am
Carola M, good point - with the hate Islam teaches toward all non-Muslims and most especially toward Jews it is indeed a wonder these Islamist hate crimes don't happen even more and that few Muslims have ever read the Qur'an, let alone the hadith or sira.

But, as Max said, probably a good deal of Muslims just want to live their lives and get along, while there are those who have moved to the West to escape Islam's oppression and sadly end up living in fear still because of the orthodox believers who persecute them for not being devout enough.

But Muslism who remain quiet about the atrocities committed by the true believing orthodox Muslims are complicit in the hate and violence by their silence. But they are afraid of the violence these loonies are capable of and which is condoned by their god and prophet (who was violent himself).

The head of the BBC recently said it was true that they and the media give Islam the soft glove treatment because they do fear the violence any negative news coverage of Islam and Islamists would unleash, and they fear the risk of being killed for speaking about it. It is frightening how politicians and media have all been silenced by these hateful thugs, leaving the people to feel they have no one to speak for them or protect them.

Something is going to have to change, and soon, and we are finally seeing some signs of that now in the UK, Denmark and the Netherlands that have tolerated these primitives for far too long.


Jennifer Ward (40)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 5:03 am
I'm just so over these savages swaggering around making threats and carrying around disgusting signs demanding the death of Jews and the subjegation of the Kuffar.

No police force ever arrests these hatemongers- the only arrests are of the peaceful counter demonstrators.

How is it that seditious placards can be displayed in public spaces with the hatefilled holders screaming for the blood of the innocent citizens of their host countries and nothing is done apart from excuses and our own leaders calling any complainers 'racists' and othe unfair epithets?

I'm fed up with cowering, fawning apologists like the POTUS and Hillary Clinton praising Islam to the hilt and perpetuating the lie of Islamic scientific advances (all copied from the Chinese, Hindus and others). Utterly over their violence they perpetrate us and their own.

Wake up you well meaning but deluded people- it's an ideology of hatred and bigotry not seen since the heyday of the KKK.

monica r (41)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 5:13 am
Sorry for your loss.

Sorry about Trayvon Martin, too.

And sorry about these kids (it doesn't matter to me that they are Jewish, by the way). I work in a school and two days ago we had a gunshot scare. I hear about the shooting in Toulouse and imagine if that happened to "my" kids. Would little T scream for mercy? Would D or M try to fight the gunman off? What if it was S? Or J? So while I can't possibly imagine what you have gone through with your loss, can you try to understand it's personal for some of us and not just a cause? Otherwise you're the one making it a "one way situation".

monica r (41)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 5:32 am
At the same time we tell school kids to stand up to bullies, we appease (never works), back down (never works), and hand over more and more of our legal, Constitutional, and ideological "milk money" without a fight.

The longer we wait the worse violence will result from stopping it. Or we can just lay down and let the bullies win.

I get that the media are scared. There was a book about Aisha that Muslims didn't want published and they burned down the house of the publisher's management. So they backed off. But maybe things are changing. The French satire magazine had it's offices fire-bombed by Muslims and they still carried on (in a different location of course).

If you have a festering gangrenous wound, you know there will be some unpleasantness and pain, maybe you lose a chunk of flesh if the surgery is early enough, but if you don't want to lose the small chunk of flesh, you want to avoid that unpleasantness and pain, so you put it off, sooner or later the whole limb has to go (with vastly greater unpleasantness and pain) because if not you will die.

So if we stand up against the violence and intolerance being foisted on us (kill gays, raped women are adulteresses, no dogs as pets, no alcohol, kaffir women are uncovered meat) labeled as "peace" NOW, yes, there will be houses burned, offices firebombed, shootings, bombings for daring to oppose it. But the longer we wait, the more entrenched it gets, the greater the toll of death and injury will be.

If they really are a "religion" (theo-political ideology) of PEACE, why are they doing violence to make their point?

Actual sign at a Muslim demonstration: "Behead those who say Islam is violent"
Really, need any more be said than that?

Jay S (116)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 7:22 am
Kit B, what a thing to say. These kids were killed because they were Jewish. The young black boy was killed, apparently, because he was black. That adds significance to these deaths. A child who dies in an accident is a tragedy, but a child who is murdered out of hate is more tragic. There is a difference. Your comments demean the deaths of these kids.

John J (0)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 9:21 am
Winning Hearts and Minds
The U.S. army sent a Frenchman currently besieged by police in Toulouse after the killings of seven people, back to France after he was arrested in Afghanistan, a prosecutor said Wednesday.
Afghan police detained the man at a road checkpoint and handed him over to the U.S. army “who put him on the first plane headed to France,” prosecutor Francois Molins told reporters.

Molins, France’s top anti-terror magistrate who is overseeing the probe into the killing of three soldiers, three Jewish children and a teacher, did not provide a date or details of the Afghan arrest of suspect Mohamed Merah.

He said it occurred on one of two trips the 23-year-old Frenchman of Algerian origin made to Afghanistan. Molins said the second trip began in mid-August last year and lasted two months.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 4:58 pm
From the second I heard the news, I knew it was a Muslim extremist. As usual, there will be posters on here that refuse to step into reality and see the truth about what's going on! People would rather bury their heads in the sand.

Cousin It Addams (8)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 5:08 pm
yeah, well, the home-grown ones are worst. they got all the benefit of citizenship to a country they hate.

Patricia Thompson (13)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 9:42 pm
I've followed this from the beginning. Now that he's passed over he will experience in his life review the pain and grief he's caused to so many. Tragic

pam w (139)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 10:05 pm
Poor, sad, deluded FOOL! He's a symbol of what evil powers organized religion can have....especially a violent, hate-filled one like his!

pam w (139)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 10:14 pm
(Oh...and, by the way....where are the DEFENDERS OF ISLAM? You know....the ones who always accuse everyone of ISLAMOPHOBIA?)

Billie C (2)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 10:19 pm
how many more people have to die because some muslim nut decides to kill? it's time to watch them all until the so called peaceful muslims stand up and throw the killers out in the open. it's not like they wear a headband saying i'm a terrorists. the peaceful muslims need to step forward and help until they do all have to be suspect.
the news and dc need to stand up and stop lying about them.

Cam V (417)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 10:58 pm
Kit, I am so sorry you have suffered such a loss in your life.

Ken D (32)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 11:47 pm
"And how many Palestinians did Israel murder today, this week, this month?"

‘Toulouse gunman had visited Israel’

Past Member (0)
Friday March 23, 2012, 12:49 am

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:16 am
Finally the end came for this monster - who was also planning further murders and aiming to firebomb the police - but a bullet had his name on it and brought about his demise - thankfully. The police think he was part of a terror cell and although he claimed to be a Muslim - he did not exactly act like one - drinking and taking drugs.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:21 am
Sadly you miss the point Kit - the Jews are always being singled out for extermination one way or another. Of course every child is important. I have posted comments about the killing of Trayvon Martin and hope that justice will prevail for his family - beggars belief that the killer was let go free..... but this post is about the murder of three children -and the father of two of them, also the 3 French soldiers this monster killed. Totally different news post. We know what it is like to lose a child - we have been through the mill - as have so many others.

Stan B (123)
Friday March 23, 2012, 3:51 am
It's hard to understand why it took the French security services so long to locate this bastard.
" France was facing calls for a far-reaching intelligence inquiry on Thursday night following reports that a suspected al-Qaeda-trained killer shot dead after a marathon siege in Toulouse was on the US no-fly list."
Today's Daily Telegraph. London.

Jay S (116)
Friday March 23, 2012, 4:29 am
This new story is disturbing. A woman had warned police of the murderer's terrorist activities in 2010 and apparently nothing was done:

pam w (139)
Friday March 23, 2012, 6:58 am

The police will have some explaining to do, won't they? Of course, we have no idea how many of those complaints they have to deal with and how limited their resources might be!

berny p (23)
Friday March 23, 2012, 8:21 am



Charles O (209)
Friday March 23, 2012, 8:30 am
Quick, let's flatten another "Islamic Country", so that we can create another million "Terrorists"!

Ken D (32)
Friday March 23, 2012, 9:22 am
Israelis Celebrate Death of Palestinian Children

Following the news on the tragic accident today on Jaba road near Ramallah, due to clash of track with school bus, where at least nine children and one teacher were killed and tens were injuried, Israeli comments on facebook, were inhumane to say the least.

Comments on Israeli news website Walla’s post on it’s Facebook page about the accident, showed despicable satisfaction and celebration by Israelis and a disgraceful wish there will be more of such. . .

Ken D (32)
Friday March 23, 2012, 9:24 am
Where's our friend 'Cal' now with his 'double standards'?!!

Charles O (209)
Friday March 23, 2012, 9:45 am
The graphic features a bandana that reads "Kill Jews".

Wasn't the infliction of Israel on Palestinians supposed to end anti-Semitism and avert a future holocaust?

Now, to placate Israel, we ourselves are creating holocausts -- in Palestine, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, and soon, perhaps, in Syria and Iran. And with each new holocaust, we create new terrorists and new "anti-Semites" -- where "anti-Semite" now means someone who opposes Israel's genocidal policies.

Jews and non-Jews alike are victims of our capitulation to Zionism (Jewish fascism). Palestine was not the first victim of the Zionists: The first victim was cosmopolitan Jewish culture.

And who gains, as strife increases? -- ZIonists themselves. The strife makes it easier for them to pose as "The Protectors of The Jews" and easier to play the role of the Infinite Victim.

Everything the Zionists told us turns out to be untrue. Israel, far from averting a holocaust, is paving the way to a cataclysmic war that could kill off much of the human race. Isn't it time to stop idolizing these misanthropic xenophobic bellicose ideologues? Isn't it time to examine and repudiate the fascist supremacist ideology that has led us to the brink of a world war?

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See Using violence against self to justify violence against others

> Alas, the pathology of generating violence against oneself, violence that suspends reflection on the core apartheid, succeeds only at the price of generating enormous hatred. The Israeli pathology will bring about, stealthily and fatefully, that which the Israelis fear most.There is indeed "no choice" for the nationalistic project of the eternal victims but to commit suicide with those whom they oppress.

> The sublimated Zionist desire to be hated is the fuel of Israel's unity and self-righteousness. This self-destructive nature, concealed as a desire for self defence, comes from deep and ancient forces of which Zionism is merely a symptom and a hint. That which preserves these self-destructive forces ensures that the eternal victims' apartheid nationalistic project will be a fleeting phenomenon. When arrested in mere nationalism, primordial victim mentality self preserves by generating collective suicide of that nationalistic project. The self-defence of suicide points out the uniqueness of the Israeli apartheid. Both the no-choice and the self-defence rhetoric contain a chilling chronicle of suicide foretold. Despite its military might, Israel is a weak and dying state that desires to destroy itself. The most powerful nations in the world assist this suicidal process and this fact calls for urgent contemplation.

-- Oren Ben-Dor, "Despite It's Military Might, Israel is a Weak and Dying State", *CEIA-SC*, 02 Jan 2009

Charles O (209)
Friday March 23, 2012, 10:28 am
Kit B. writes:

> And Trayvon Martin was murdered in Florida, in fact every day children are murdered all over the world. Not one of the murders is more or less important then any other. Is a child's murder more significant because he is Jewish or equal to the horror of children murdered world wide? Please people don't make things a one way situation. There is a man on Care2 that posts hundreds of posters each week about abducted and missing children and adults are they less important or for many, any less dead because they may not be Jewish? I have lost a child, and I resent the hell out of using the death of a child for a CAUSE.

Your response is the honorable response, Kit.

"What can we do to stop the killing?" -- that's a question no Zionist will ever ask.

In Palestine, 95% of the killing and 100% of the occupying is done by Israel. What's more, independent studies show that most cycles of violence are initiated by Israel.

But let us ignore these studies and pretend that Israel is just "Defending Itself" and "Retaliating", as the Zionists claim. The problem is that the "Retaliation" is usually an order of magnitude larger than the original attack.

Zionists have been using disproportionate violence for 64 years. They should realize by now that it doesn't work. But they keep doing it. They never try anything else. They never ask why they are hated. They never ask what drives people berserk.

That tells us that Zionists really aren't interested in a cessation of violence. War and terror is what keeps them in power. It's their Golden Goose.

In the current case, Zionists are not asking "How can we reduce anti-Semitism?" Instead, they ask "How can we use anti-Semitism as a pretext for dehumanizing Muslims and making war on a billion people?" They think they can make Israel look good by denigrating and dehumanizing other people. When I read some of their posts, I feel like I am in the Third Reich -- just replace "Muslim" with "Jew".

I feel sorry for these people. With their supremacist ideology, they have painted themselves into a corner. Now, they have blinded themselves with fear. Desperately, they keep reciting their propaganda catechism -- their repetitive "Talking Points". But it isn't working: The more they post, the more unsavory and dysfunctional they seem. They sacrificed honor long ago, and now all they have left is their bankrupt supremacist ideology.

pam w (139)
Friday March 23, 2012, 12:11 pm
Gillian, I'm not sure why you addressed that paragraph to me...??? But, Kit is a friend and I've never known her to be anything other than deliberate, intelligent and perceptive.

Gillian M (218)
Friday March 23, 2012, 12:38 pm
Sorry Pam, I was going to say something else and didn't delete it. Kit has become friends with MM, Abdesalam and the like. She has attacked many people for supporting Israel including myself and Alex, and her diatribe above is an example. We are not entitled to complain about the anti-Semitic murders of little chldren by a trained terrorist because of Trayvan Martin. He was murdered brutally for being black but that is not relevant on this board.


Beth S (330)
Friday March 23, 2012, 12:48 pm
What were the circumstances surrounding the loss of your child, Kit?

Past Member (0)
Friday March 23, 2012, 1:53 pm
I knew it would only be a matter of time before the anti-Semites came out in full force! Trolls usually do travel in packs....

Catherine Turley (192)
Friday March 23, 2012, 1:57 pm
technically, i am actually pro-israel. but every time i read one of these care2 posts, the responses clearly do not distinguish between the majority of good and decent muslims and these radical terrorists. and i can quote crazy from the bible, if you really want to go down that road. also, i don't remember good christians flocking to denounce the abortion doctor killer.

Susan L (150)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:17 pm
Carol Dreeszen - Very good article you posted & makes SO MUCH sense, AND I believe it is relevant to this posting (and others). Thank you.

I have come to be weary of postings like this one. Murder, terrorism and war are all horrific and EVERY time something like this happens, **personal** passions over-ride the connection all these unacceptable atrocities have with each other.....especially when it involves children. Here, it happens to be focused on the killings by a Muslim. It is tragic and absolutely warrants NO defense.

Is there really good reason to make this a thread about "Muslims" being the scourge of the Earth? It should be about the "Human Beings" that were KILLED because of Religious Hatred! Israeli hatred is just as ugly, and all other forms of hate. As Carole's article points out, this has happened over and over because of the FANATICS that take control. They are in every race, religion, society, government, country...... everywhere. And NONE of them deserve a free pass. Every one of them deserve condemnation by ALL people, every time.

If you are a 'fanatic', you are part of the problem. Stop pointing fingers at those on "the other side" because there is enough blame to go around. You should find the Common Ground in standing against this kind of prejudice, hatred - what ever you want to call it.

I feel so much grief in the deaths of these people, the policemen that were Muslim too, for Trayvon Martin and all deaths by violence. That is what we should all be outraged about, regardless of who the perpetrator is.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:31 pm
We just heard on the news here this morning that there is a couple from Anchorage that lives down there where this happened and they were only about 2 blocks from this house where the killers lived and they heard shots being fired. This is a terrible sad thing that is an issue because the Muslim radicals make it an issue. The only alternative we have is to fight back against it! It just so happens they are after Jews in this specific incident.But it could happen to any child anyplace...they don't care what race, color, or creed they are after!!!

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:34 pm
You're very welcome Sue!! It really made perfect sense to me!!

monica r (41)
Friday March 23, 2012, 3:58 pm
@Ken D
"And how many Palestinians did Israel murder today, this week, this month?"

"But it could happen to any child anyplace...they don't care what race, color, or creed they are after!!!"

Or you can say, good point Carol. Then ask how many innocent MUSLIM children did JIHADISTS kill today, this week this month?

Today (and today isn't over yet):
a 10 year old boy (blown up) in Wana, Pakistan

This week: the above, plus
3 Sunni children (throats slit in their home) in Zafaraniyah, Iraq
unborn baby and 6 year old (blown up) in Fallujah, Iraq
1 year old and 3 siblings(blown up) in Mogaishu, Somalia
High school girl (blown up) in Pattani, Thailand

This month: all the above, plus
a Shia boy (shot) in Karachi, Pakistan
nine children (blown up) in Uruzgan, Afghanistan
a young girl (killed by rocket) in Mattani, Pakistan
a girl (blown up by Sunni terrorist car bomb) in Deraa, Syria
two girls (shot in their home) in Tarmiyah, Iraq
four children (killed by rocket) in Bara, Pakistan
two children (killed by a shahid on a motorcycle) in Spin Boldak, Afghanistan
9-year-old (killed by Taliban bomb) in Peshawar, Pakistan
2 children (suicide bomb) in Parwan, Afghanistan
10 year old girl (shot at home) in Maidugiri, Nigeria
one child (suicide bombed) in Aleppo, Syria
5 year old girl (by suicide bomber) in Peshawar, Pakistan
several children (by suicide bomber) in Lashkargah, Afghanistan
a child (by roadside bomb) in Bara, Pakistan
several children (by sectarian shooter) in Baghdad, Iraq
3 girls between 2 and 10 years old (by mortar shot into home) in Akakhel, Pakistan

I could add to the list above if I included Christian or Jewish children killed in these timeframes. So the answers then are 1, 10, and 45 or so.

So yes Carol, they don't care what children they kill.

marie C (163)
Friday March 23, 2012, 6:29 pm
Noted and forwarded thanks R and J

Kathy Javens (104)
Friday March 23, 2012, 7:03 pm
Noted. No matter the reason, they are dead. It sadly happens everyday. Adults & children alike. AND IT IS ALL WRONG!!!!!!!!!! EVERYTIME SOMEONE IS MURDERED, IT IS WRONG!!!!!!! NO MATTER THE REASON, IT IS JUST WRONG!!!!!!!!

Charles O (209)
Saturday March 24, 2012, 1:29 am
One question for you, Gillian M.

When the regime in Israel does harm to the Jewish community worldwide, which do you side with?

* The Israeli regime?
* The Jewish victims of Israel?

It seems like you have turned a man-made state-terrorist regime into an idol -- a Golden Calf. I'd like to know just how far your idolatry goes. Is there ever a point where human life becomes more important than the regime or its supremacist ideology?

Suzanne L (89)
Saturday March 24, 2012, 9:55 pm
I'm not going to comment on the whole Israel/Palestine thing. It's very complicated and it won't be solved by fanatics living in other countries who murder children.

Marianna Molnar (9)
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Vlasta M (7)
Sunday March 25, 2012, 8:42 am
Islam is the ROOT CAUSE of terrorism today, if you look at the proportion of terrorist acts committed by Muslims. Same with "honor" murder and rapes in the West. IT is ISLAM ITSELF, stupid. US may have killed Osama bin Ladin, but there are thousands of similar Muslims who read in Koran and Hadith that life on Earth should not be cherished (ass Jews do) but "Eternal" life should be a goal.

When you promote this Paradiuse with 72 virgins to some horny Muslim man, you can immagine that they would chose death and murder rather then learning how to create and build. IT is much easier to DESTORY what others had built. That is also the case with Palestinian Arabs who are more interested in destroying and looting what Israel had bulit there, than having good lives for themselves. ISLAM MUST REFORM or has no place in ANY society that respects life and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The Muslims in Europe, North America and Australia MUST follow OUR laws or else be shipped back into the sharia run countries from which they came. There is NO other way to protect OUR civilization from this scourge of Islamists.

Kerrie G (116)
Sunday March 25, 2012, 9:30 am
Noted, thanks.

. (0)
Sunday March 25, 2012, 10:48 am
As Beatrice B. commented- the French Intelligence dropped the ball on keeping a closer watch on the maniac.
How many of these killings are going to occur throughout Europe until something is done about putting controls, regulations on suspected radical Muslims?
What's going to eventually happen is a citizens' revolt -a "take back of our country" revolt. Why can't the major nations of Europe see this as a probability?

Quanta Kiran (67)
Monday March 26, 2012, 3:25 am

marie C (163)
Monday March 26, 2012, 5:09 am
Can not send a green star to Allan have done so within the last week

Jay S (116)
Monday March 26, 2012, 8:24 am
Now here are two more incredible articles that have come out of this awful one. Please go see these:

Carmen S (611)
Monday March 26, 2012, 5:32 pm
thanks Rob and J

Vlasta M (7)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:32 am
Koran and Hadith are most violence inducing books, promoting not only violence and death of Jews, Christians and "infidels" but or other Muslims who are not up to par (according to their delusional views of reality).

Islam MUST reform to make it compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, or else has no place in ANY civilized society. I read Koran after a Florida Pastor rose a stink by announcing that he would burn Koran. I had a copy given to me some 26 years ago by a Muslim colleague at work, but never opened it, since I did not care for religious stuff of ANY religion. My best friend was a secular Muslim woman whose daughter married equally non-religious Protestant.

However, as I read Koran from cover to cover, I was shocked and appalled with its rants against Jews, Christians and "infidels" and instructions to commit violence against those who do not SUBMIT to words of the Prophet, who is considered the FINAL prophet of this most perfect religion of Islam. IT is a horrible book that MUSAT be discussed openly in all public forums in order to understand the ROOT CAUSES of terrorism.

Osama bin Ladin is dead but in his place there are millions of others who are waiting to murder and die for Allahu Akbar. ISLAM MUST REFORM or get back into the sands of history together with the pedophile polygamist murderer who invented it!
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