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Burqa-Clad Women March in Sympathy for & Memory of Islamist Murderer in Toulouse!


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Jay
- 2608 days ago - agi.it
some one hundred riot police officers intervened to disperse about thirty people who were trying to hold a demonstration in memory of Mohammed Merah, the man behind a series of shootings in Toulouse. Most wore illegal burqas.



   

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Carola May (20)
Monday March 26, 2012, 7:35 am
How sick can people be? Were they chanting Allahu Akbar (Allah is Greatest) too?

Just when you think people can sink no lower they surprise you, unfortunately.
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Monday March 26, 2012, 7:59 am
The Religion of Peace showing its true colors again. When will the world wake up?
 

Lydia S (71)
Monday March 26, 2012, 8:28 am
Let's see how many islamists & their "useful idiots" -- will defend MURDER here? And how they will correlate their defense of this hate-filled ideology -- with being on Care2 to support & defend "Human Rights", "Women's Rights", "Civil Rights", etc.?
 

Gillian M (218)
Monday March 26, 2012, 8:45 am
And, of course, they want the freedom to kill Jews, rename a street after a martyr and the right to wear an oppressive garment whilst being thrashed by their husbands.

One has to ask how they were allowed to attend, by themselves, in breach of the commendments of the Koran.
 

Sue H (7)
Monday March 26, 2012, 8:58 am
Well, isn't that a huge "I spit in your face" gesture?? This terrible hatred has got to stop, on all sides. We will never have peace if this kind of stuff continues.
 

(0)
Monday March 26, 2012, 9:01 am
This must be a memorable and exciting day for the French Left who have promoted Islamic immigration to France for decades. I wonder how many of them were there to join in and add their support?
 

bob m (32)
Monday March 26, 2012, 9:11 am
fascist islam...standin up to those baby eatin jews I guess.......runnin this CNN?
 

Charles O (209)
Monday March 26, 2012, 11:18 am
The war-addicts must love this, just as they love anything that created hatred for the religions and cultures they are hoping to obliterate.

Since it's impossible to tell just who is inside the burkha, this could well be a demonstration by anti-Islam provocateurs. Who has a motive? Who GAINS from this hatred? Nobody but the Zionists.
 

Michela M (3964)
Monday March 26, 2012, 11:22 am
Noted
 

Beatrice B (112)
Monday March 26, 2012, 12:56 pm
i suppose they will name another street after this martyr.
 

Charles O (209)
Monday March 26, 2012, 2:56 pm
Beatrice B. writes:

> i suppose they will name another street after this martyr.

Why not? Isn't that exactly what Israel does?

> "There are streets named after the assassins of Moyne and Bernadotte. They are historical figures not disavowed by the rhetoric of the state of Israel, nor is there any reflection on the fact that two terrorist leaders later became distinguished leaders of the republic," Ibish says. "And now people are saying that Arafat must have his Altalena." Ibish adds that Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, "never moved against the Irgun and the Stern Gang until after the state was established and secured, which is definitely not true in the case of the Palestinian Authority. Essentially, the Israelis are asking the Palestinians to do something they themselves refused to do."

-- Jason Vest, "From the Irv Rubin Bust to the Stern Gang: The Rich History of Jewish Terrorism", *Village Voice*, 19 Dec 2001
 

pam w (139)
Monday March 26, 2012, 3:44 pm
when logic fails....BLAME JEWS

"Since it's impossible to tell just who is inside the burkha, this could well be a demonstration by anti-Islam provocateurs. Who has a motive? Who GAINS from this hatred? Nobody but the Zionists. !"
 

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday March 26, 2012, 4:15 pm
Sick! Sick! Sick!!!!!!!!
 

Charles O (209)
Monday March 26, 2012, 4:49 pm
pam w. writes:

> when logic fails....BLAME JEWS

I disagree, pam. Blaming Jews is no more "logical" than blaming Muslims.

Logic prompts us to ask who GAINS. Who PROFITS when ethnic and religious groups are slaughtering one another?

The arms dealers profit. The banks profit. The fascists profit. The war-makers profit.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday March 26, 2012, 4:55 pm
Oh dear Charlie O - you have got your wires crossed. Still - as the saying goes 'Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience'..... so true in your case Charlie O. The very fact that this heinous cult of Islam - condones the continuing murder of Jews and Christians alike - and has the temerity to proclaim itself as Peace Loving - is black comedy indeed - fed by the darkest of Forces.
 

Stan B (123)
Monday March 26, 2012, 5:34 pm
How stupid can they get? Celebrating the memory of a self-confessed murderer who killed in the name of Islam.
They are just asking for some kind of backlash against innocent Muslims.
Charles O. Your comments are so ridiculous that I can't believe you actually posted them. They are not worth responding to. But then they usually aren't.
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Monday March 26, 2012, 5:47 pm
Charles, blaming Zionists is just as logical as blaming anyone else. You argue about preventing war and hatred except when it comes to Zionists-why are they your only scapegoat for all of the world's problems?

You always make it sound like Zionists did something personal to you in your posts--they are so bitter! Always.

What did they do to you and yours Charles???
 

Cam V (417)
Monday March 26, 2012, 6:55 pm
Are you finally waking up people? Those of you who have been sound asleep? Deniers of what the radical Muslim sect has been up to? Please note I stated RADICAL. We do know the difference and always have. We do understand that the majority of the Muslim faith is like the rest of us. Peaceful intentions. Just trying to raise their families and get by like the rest of us do.
THEN THERE ARE THESE ONES. THE ONES YOU NEED TO FEAR BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T - YOU ARE STILL SOUND ASLEEP.
Like Charles O ..... first you have to wake up. Identify who the enemy is and always be one step ahead of them. Don't know about the rest of you but I proudly STAND WITH ISRAEL ..... always have, always will and I am damn proud my Prime Minister does as well.
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Monday March 26, 2012, 7:06 pm
I'm with you--thanks Cam
 

Charles O (209)
Monday March 26, 2012, 7:39 pm
Cam V. writes:

> Deniers of what the radical Muslim sect has been up to? Please note I stated RADICAL. We do know the difference and always have.

But you are making war against ALL of Islam! You're not killing the "radicals": You're killing everybody, when you flatten entire countries.

You don't know who these thirty or so women are! But that doesn't stop you. You use them to demonize a billion people worldwide.

Again, who gains? Who profits? Not the ordinary person, be he Muslim, Jew or Christian! Do you care? Don't you see that all of this killing is a dead end? You can't kill your way out of this. The more you kill, the deeper the hole you dig for yourself and for all of us.

Maybe someday you will get tired of all of this death and destruction. You will then begin to understand the need for dialogue, mutual respect, justice, dignity, rehumanization.

. .

Yes, Cal, the Zionists DID do something to me: They took over my country and slammed it into war, like the Titanic slamming into an iceberg. They ripped my country apart. Now we're trillions of dollars in debt and our economy is shattered and we're up to our necks in blood, and our big media are censored, so we are not even free to identify the problem. I DO take this personally. The wars you keep promoting will end up killing us all.
 

Stan B (123)
Monday March 26, 2012, 10:39 pm
Me too Cam. Your comment made perfect sense. Green star on its way.
 

Fred H (31)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 12:12 am
What amazes me is that so many Care2 readers still maintain that these people are anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.
 

Tommy S (11)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 3:05 am
@ Charles O
Could you define "radical" in the context of islam
mohammed was not radical in fact he is the very definition of moderation in islam and the very best person for a muslim to emulate.

quote...You will then begin to understand the need for dialogue, mutual respect, justice, dignity, rehumanization. ...Unquote--- a totally foreign concept in islam



 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 4:21 am
Now, Charles, what wars would those be? I'm promoting people having their right to protest in the Arab World and elsewhere and you are defending dictators and their right to bomb their own people. That's not a moral equivalent and secondly, the Zionists did not cause 9/11, your radical Arab friends did. I know that may disappoint you, but the Zionists had nothing to do with 9/11. You're oh so selective and deluded in your analysis of the facts, especially those that don't fit your convoluted theories.
 

monica r (41)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 4:59 am
Cam, well said.

Charles,
Must you ALWAYS conflate disapproval of terror acts by Muslim extremists with either

a) wanting to or trying to kill every Muslim on the planet
b) support and actual personal responsibility for past or future wars
OR
c) Zionism?

I personally go to Quaker church. I can't possibly be in favor of sending people to war that I personally would not participate in. I certainly would not want all Muslims killed, and I have often came up with info on here that shows how jihad kills lots of innocent men women and children and the majority of those are Muslim. Recently I heard that jihadists are waking up to the fact they kill too many of their own, so it's not just my imagination.

There's not just one solution or reason for all this mess, but they say when all you have is a hammer (ZIONISM!!!) everything looks like a nail (it was the Jeeeeeeewwwwssss!)
 

pam w (139)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 6:51 am
Rules for defending the indefensible:

#1....Deny, deny deny. If someone quotes a source....declare it an "ISLAMIC HATE SITE." If it turns out that the site is actually FROM Muslims or a deed is proven to be committed BY Muslims....announce that they are MISUNDERSTANDING "true" Islam! Insult character, intelligence, knowledge or anything possible to throw doubt on the other person's intelligence. If someone produces indisputable facts....just DENY, DENY, DENY...emphatically and LOUDLY.

#2...When logic fails, INSULT the person making the statement. Insult them....call them "racist," "haters"...whatever words you can find to vilify them. Insult character, intelligence, knowledge or anything possible to throw doubt on the other person's intelligence. If someone produces indisputable facts....just DENY, DENY, DENY...emphatically and LOUDLY.


Then, return to rule #1. If someone produces indisputable facts....just DENY, DENY, DENY...emphatically and LOUDLY.

#3...SMOKESCREEN....whenever logic or truth fail.....smokescreen! Change the subject. Accuse Western society or Christianity or, whenever possible....ACCUSE ISRAEL or ZIONISTS!
 

Jay S (116)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 7:29 am
Charles O, is one of the fanatical anti-'Zionists' always appearing here who never has seen an Islamic atrocity worth abhoring. As Islamism is rising around the world hundreds of churches have been burned from northern Islamic held Nigeria to Islamist now ruled Egypt which is driving the original Egyptians, the Coptic Christians, out by the thousands, & Iraq where 500,000 Christians have been terrorized, murdered, burned out and forced to flee. Turkey which committed genocide (the first time that word was used) in the early 20th c. on 3million Christians (Armenians, Assyrians & Greeks, who had lived in that land for 8000yrs!) has been destroying all their churches and evidence of their existence ever since.

Islam is persecuting and killing and destroying all non-Muslims in every country it has conquered to rid their stolen lands of all of them, with the one exception of Iraq, ruled by the Assads, members of the ancient Alawite religion, related to the ancient Cult of Angels cult. They pretend to be Muslims in order to survive (Taqiyya in reverse!) but are still considered heretics and apostates by the Sunnis trying to take over, who will most certainly ethnically cleanse all the non-Sunnis there, just as they have in all the other 'Arab Spring' revolts backed by the same Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi, al-Qaeda 'rebels' wanting to install Sharia law on us all.

Indonesia, the supposedly most 'tolerant' Muslim ruled land has seen over 300 churches burned.

You talk about killing and war? Islam, as it commands all of its followers to do, is at war with the whole world. The Muslim Brotherhood states boldly they are infiltrating every western country to destroy them from within, beginning with silencing all criticism of Islam! What makes Islam so special? Where is your compassion for all these millions of people being persecuted by Orthodox Muslims?

As Tommy S points out, these jihadist murderers and fanatics are NOT 'radical' or 'extreme' Muslims. They are Orthodox, true believing Muslims who are obeying to the letter what Islam teaches. They are following faithfully Mohammed's example of mass murder of Jews and killing those who refuse to 'convert'. Your blind spot to Islam's core beliefs of hate, superiority, world conquest and its hateful deity and warlord founder is very puzzling. The many Muslims who aren't jihadists are the real 'radicals', yet where are their marches against the jihadists? There aren't any. They either support quietly the jihadists violence or they are too afraid of them to speak out, but their silence makes them complicit in the Orthodox Muslims' violence.

Israel, despite its flaws (and we've certainly condemned some of their actions before) is the only light of democracy, tolerance and freedom surrounded by Islamist states of darkness, hate and intolerance. It is a place gay people from all the Islamic bigot states flee to for refuge, as well as many Christians persecuted in Gaza. They reopened Christian and Jewish religous places captured when they defeated the attacking Arab Muslim states that the Muslims had closed. Islrael is the only country out of all of them that has freedom of religion, speech, conscience and press (they certainly don't kill anyone who leaves or criticizes Judaism, as Islam does).

 

berny p (23)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 7:53 am

I live in France for the moment and i can tell you that people are sick and fed up with islam and everything it brings!
This guy video his shooting of the teachers and the children ..had someone else to edit the tape and put muslim chant in the back grown....

WAKE UP PEOPLE....STOP BEEING POLITICLY CORRECT AND TAKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY BACK ...
IF NOT FOR YOU FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN BEFORE IT IS TO LATE!!
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 8:10 am
i thought the muslims would celebrate for him. isn't he boinking celestial virgins and young boys with an eternal hard-on?

it's the rest of us that should feel sympathy cause if there's a hell he's there by now getting all roasty and toasty. never mind sympathy. that's what he deserves.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:01 am
My, My, Charles O, you are so against any mention of the hate and violence that forms a very big part of Islamic scripture (there are 109 verses of hate toward non-Muslims in the Qur'an alone, not counting all of it in the hadith and sira - you should read these things and educate yourself so you're not so naive about it).

Yet, you don't mind expressing hate toward 'fundamentalist Christians', which you label those who disagree with you, or 'Zionists'. Why are Islamists exempt? Such typical hypocrisy from the loonie Left. You and your ilk that flood these articles with your rants for poor Islam and have nothing but hate for all 'Zionists' and, apparently, Christian Fundamentalists, who look positively progressive compared to Orthodox Muslims.

I do not believe in any manmade religion, but I do have great admiration for the teachings of peace and love of Jesus Christ and Gautama the Buddha. I have nothing but contempt for the hate and violence taught and carried out by Mohammed the pedophile, womanising, bandit, rapist, mass murdering warlord.

Some of us have actually studied Islam and read the Qur'an, hadith and sira. You and your babbling anti-Zionist pro-Islamists obviously have not. Do it. Your whole life view will change, as did mine.

Here are accepted translations online of the Q and H (which is needed to make any sense of the Q):

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/
 

Care two is lost (252)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:45 am
It is a sad sick world when child murderers are celebrated by anyone.
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 10:18 am
Noted. It is so easy. Why doesn`t everybody just lay their weapons down. We all know that this is not the way. And to celebrate them by naming a street after them is just like saying, yes you killed inocent men, women & children, but that is alright. Now we will remember you always by naming this street after you. This horrific behavior will never end until we all agree to a more peaceful solution.
After all, Peace= Life...War= Death.
 

Anne Eizenhoefer (7)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 4:14 pm
So very sad... As stated above; Peace= Life...War= Death
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 4:28 pm
George Zimmerman would of had a field day there with his itchy trigger finger.You want to talk about suspicious looking headgear?Thought this was 2012 not the dark ages!!!
 

Charles O (209)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 5:29 pm
Cal M. writes:

> Now, Charles, what wars would those be?

Uh, the war against Iraq, the war against Afghanistan, the war against Libya, the war against Syria, the war against Lebanon, the war against Palestine.

. .

Cal continues:

> I'm promoting people having their right to protest in the Arab World and elsewhere and you are defending dictators and their right to bomb their own people.

I defend the right to protest too. What I reject is the "right" to overthrow secular governments and install Islamic regimes. Is that a "right" YOU support?

Isn't it interesting that the people who are most fanatical in their hatred for Muslims are the very people who want Muslims to take over Syria and butcher the people there. They want Syria destroyed because Syria is Israel's neighbor and Israel needs Syria as a stepping stone for its attack on Iran. They don't give a damn about the Syrian people or their rights. They see all of these people as expendable.

. .

Cal M. continues:

> That's not a moral equivalent and secondly, the Zionists did not cause 9/11, your radical Arab friends did.

I have no "radical Arab friends". The radicals are the war addicts -- the people who want to start WW III and kill millions.

What I love is peace, truth, justice, freedom, equal rights -- the bedrock American values. I'm no fan of Islam. To me, the religion seems literalistic and repressive. But I'm forced to defend it, because I like fascism even less. The fascists can be easily identified by their maniacal desire for war and their adoration for the Israeli regime. Bad as Islam is, the fascists will make things even worse with their death and destruction -- much worse.

. .

Call continues:

> I know that may disappoint you, but the Zionists had nothing to do with 9/11.

If that is true, then show it. Let's have an investigation. If we can investigate a $100 convenience store robbery, why can't we investigate the worst crime in U.S. history.

And while you're at it, you can call for the release the JFK documents -- hidden away for 75 years. Why not? What are you Zionists afraid of?

. .

Cal concludes:

> You're oh so selective and deluded in your analysis of the facts, especially those that don't fit your convoluted theories.

Really? I think my analysis is very simple: I love freedom and I hate war. I love our founding principles here in America, and I'm sorry to see that my country has been taken over by fascists. How is that convoluted?
 

Carmen S (611)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 5:31 pm
noted, thanks Rob and J
 

Charles O (209)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 6:18 pm
monica r. writes:

> I personally go to Quaker church. I can't possibly be in favor of sending people to war that I personally would not participate in.

That's good to hear, Monica. I have much admiration for the Quakers.

I believe that the relentless stream of slander and distortion targeting Islam makes it easier for the war-addicts to start their wars. When we ourselves contribute to the vicious anti-Islam propaganda, we are helping to send American children off to kill and be killed, whatever our good intentions. If we want to resist war-making, we can start by resisting the war propaganda. That's just what I'm doing.

. .

monica r. continues:

> I certainly would not want all Muslims killed, and I have often came up with info on here that shows how jihad kills lots of innocent men women and children and the majority of those are Muslim. Recently I heard that jihadists are waking up to the fact they kill too many of their own, so it's not just my imagination.

That's why I oppose the take-over of Syria by jihadists. The Syrian rebels are getting heavy arms from Saudi Arabia and support from Al Qaeda -- i.e., from the very worst elements of Islam.

The jihadists are bad, but in the killing competition, they cannot compete with the U.S., NATO and Israel. The latter are loaded with WMD's of every description and have the most advanced weapons in the world. In Iraq, a million people were killed by U.S. sanctions, and then another million were killed as a result of the U.S. blitzkreig, invasion and occupation. It is the U.S. that opened Iraq up for Al Qaeda, so the ultimate responsibility rests with the U.S..

Keep in mind, too, that it is the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that created the jihadists, in the 1980s. Look up "Operation Cyclone", the $6,000,000,000 CIA operation in Afghanistan. Drug-running Mujahedin terrorists -- who specialized in blowing up schools where girls were being taught -- were armed, trained and funded by the CIA. The caves at Tora Bora were built with CIA help. Osama bin Laden was one of the beneficiaries of U.S. largesse.

Or look up Clinton's support for the Islamic KLA narco-terrorists in 1999: He made war and dismembered Yugoslavia in the KLA's behalf, though KLA members had been trained by bin Laden himself. Or look up Israel's support for Hamas in the 1980s.

The War System needs war, which means it needs an Enemy. If no Enemy exists, it creates one.

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monica r. concludes:

> There's not just one solution or reason for all this mess, but they say when all you have is a hammer (ZIONISM!!!) everything looks like a nail (it was the Jeeeeeeewwwwssss!)

This isn't about Jews, monica. This is about a fascist state that is dragging us towards WW III. When you try to hide the crimes of this regime behind Jews, you are doing Jews an extreme disservice.

The first victim of the Zionists was not Palestine: The first victim was cosmopolitan Jewish culture. Zionism victimizes Jews in the same way that Mussolini, say, victimized Italians.

. .

Imagine that we are living in the 1930s, and many of my posts condemn the behavior of the Hitlerites. One of my critics responds thus:

> they say when all you have is a hammer (HITLERISM!!!) everything looks like a nail (it was the Geeeeeermans!)

It is important to make distinctions -- otherwise, we end up blaming the innocent along with the guilty. Not all Germans were fans of Hitler, and not all Jews are Zionists. Why do you feel a need to equate the two and erase key distinctions? Have some sympathy for the Jewish victims of Zionism!
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 7:06 pm
Charles, Israel DOES NOT need Syria as a stepping stone as a part of the plan to attack Iran. It is quite capable of doing that without a pliant /Syria, as it has demonstrated once before in the past when it bombed facilities there years ago. That is a good example of the selective approach you take to the truth. If it doesn't fit in your convoluted theories, you arrange your interpretation to fit the theory.

Another example--I don't support installing Islamic regimes. Neither does most of the Syrian Opposition. It is mostly a rebellion by secular forces. Why do you think otherwise, Charles?

You get even more surreal--why do I have to prove that ZIonists have anything to do with 911 when it is clear to anyone studying the subject that the terrorist s and their backers were all al Qaeda (hardly a Zionist front group) and sponsored and paid for by sympathetic arab sheikhs and contributors? Where does that kind of statement come from--its' incredibly ignorant and again seeks to fit your conspiracy theory to facts not in evidence.
 

(0)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 8:02 pm
There are good and bad people in every culture, in every race, and in every religion. There are also many unknowledgeable people throughout the world. Blame flies back and forth like messenger pigeons sent on errands, yet things continue to deteriorate. Why is this? It is because evil is a spiritual force. It knows no boundaries, and it does not discriminate. Therefore he or she who allows hate and evil to fill their cup shall drink the bitter poison of their great folly; upon assuming that only certain people are wicked, when in reality, wicked people exist throughout the entire world in all nations, cultures and religions!
 

Charles O (209)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:09 pm
Hello Cal M.. You write:

> Charles, Israel DOES NOT need Syria as a stepping stone as a part of the plan to attack Iran. It is quite capable of doing that without a pliant /Syria, as it has demonstrated once before in the past when it bombed facilities there years ago.

Really? Israel bombed Iran "years ago"? Can you substantiate this, please?

I'm sure you cannot substantiate, because it never happened. So it looks like you are the one altering facts to fit your theory.

You further claim that Israel "is capable of bombing Iran without a pliant Syria"! That too is false. Most Iranian facilities are beyond the range of Israeli bombers. The facilities are deep underground, which means that the Israeli bombers would have to carry bunker busters or tactical nukes, and the additional weight would further limit the range of the bombers. In addition, Syria is Iran's closest ally. Retaliation for an Israeli attack on Iran might come from Syria. That you don't seem to know this surprises me.

The Syrian Opposition is "mostly a rebellion by secular forces"? Really? You want us to believe that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Al Qaeda are supporting "secular forces"?! Again, your lack of knowledge surprises me.

Apparently your knowledge of 9/11 is also very limited. You use words like "surreal" to impress us, but what would really impress me is an INVESTIGATION, something you seem to be afraid of. I wonder why!
 

Charles O (209)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:38 pm
Carola May writes:

> My, My, Charles O, you are so against any mention of the hate and violence that forms a very big part of Islamic scripture (there are 109 verses of hate toward non-Muslims in the Qur'an alone, not counting all of it in the hadith and sira - you should read these things and educate yourself so you're not so naive about it).

> Yet, you don't mind expressing hate toward 'fundamentalist Christians', which you label those who disagree with you, or 'Zionists'. Why are Islamists exempt? Such typical hypocrisy from the loonie Left. You and your ilk that flood these articles with your rants for poor Islam and have nothing but hate for all 'Zionists' and, apparently, Christian Fundamentalists, who look positively progressive compared to Orthodox Muslims.

. .

Hello Carola. I'm sure that there is plenty that is hateful in Islam. But I also see a good deal of misguided hate in your message. Look at the words you use: "loonie Left", "ilk". Sounds like you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh. Why do you put "Zionists" in quotes? Are you trying to deny their existence? You may find that hard to do, since they've been around for over a hundred years now.

Since you have a problem with the word "Zionist", I'll use a different term: Fascist. I oppose fascists because they make war. Seventy years ago, fascists led us into WW II. 55 million people died in that war. An entire continent was reduced to rubble. Today, fascists have once again led us to the brink of a world war. Can you understand why I'm resisting them?

I don't hate "Christian Fundamentalists". I love human beings. That's why I'm trying to prevent certain human beings from destroying the planet and destroying themselves.

Some of these people may call themselves "Christian", but they actually put their faith in the god of war -- in death and destruction. They think that killing millions or billions of people will enable everyone to "live happily ever after", just like in a fairy tale. They don't understand how evil war is. I don't hate these people. I just want them to give up their idolatry. I want them to stop worshipping a corrupt deranged man-made regime. I want them to see that the god of war is a false god.

* True Christians need to worship the god of love.
* True Christians believe in dialogue, justice, decency, freedom.
* True Christians have no desire to kill millions of people on the other side of the planet.
* True Christians are not susceptible to war propaganda, because true Christians do not feel a need to live in fear.
 

Charles O (209)
Tuesday March 27, 2012, 9:57 pm
By the way, Carola M., thanks for the http://www.cmje.org/ link.

The link takes us to the "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement", hosted by the University of Southern California. The articles at the site counter the hysterical fear of Islam that has been fostered by the war-makers. Here, for example, is an article on pluralism in Islam: "Children of Adam: An Islamic Perspective on Pluralism".

Islam has many shortcomings, obviously. But we deal with shortcomings by becoming aware of them and, with god's help, outgrowing them. We don't deal with them by making whole regions of the planet uninhabitable, which is the genocidal "solution" the war-makers offer.

Death and destruction makes things worse, not better! The cult of war is a product of cynicism and defeatism and despair. The war-makers convince us that there is No Hope, so we have No Choice but to make war and "kill everything that breathes" (as Deuteronomy 20:16 commands). But the war-makers lie. We DO have a choice. The situation is hopeFUL, not hopeLESS.

Fear, Hate, Cynicism, Despair -- these are the deadly spiritual drugs that the war-makers push. True Christians reject these drugs and rely on inner strength.
 

Carola May (20)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 12:36 am
Charles O, I am a passionate human rights fighter and have been for most of my life. I don't believe in any religion but respect the teachings of nonviolence, love and forgiveness of Jesus of the Gospels, and of Gautama the Buddha, but I am sickened by the hate, violence, paedophilia, debauchery, cruelty and slavery Mohammed taught and lived. If you were a real progressive, you would be too.

You say "* True Christians need to worship the god of love.
* True Christians believe in dialogue, justice, decency, freedom.
* True Christians have no desire to kill millions of people on the other side of the planet.
* True Christians are not susceptible to war propaganda, because true Christians do not feel a need to live in fear. "

True, for someone who would be a 'true Christian', BUT you can't say that about 'true Muslims' because Mohammed taught the exact opposite to all of these things. Everything. You can't 'outgrow' the 'shortcomings' of Islam because Islam has not and cannot be reformed and shed all the teachings of hate, killing, arrogance and conquest at its core without admitting its fallacy. To do so is heresy and apostasy and that is a death sentence in Islam, along with criticising it, being gay or a rape victim. Where is your great compassion for these victims of this death cult?

If you were a true progressive you wouldn't pander to and appease such an ideology of hate. Islam IS Fascism, if you knew anything of what you speak. Learn something about it and not just from the Islamic propaganda sites.

It was people just like you who appeased Hitler and the Nazis and condemned people like Churchill who tried to warn of their danger because they said what they were going to do and did it. Chamberlain, the Times and BBC, and liberal Church leaders all called him a hatemonger and warned about 'offending' the Nazis and Hitler. They all said we should appease them and they would act in a civilised manner. Well, look what that tolerance of hate and intolerance caused - tens of millions dead and countries in ruins.

Well, the BBC and western government leaders are doing the same with Islamism right now but appeasement of hate and intolerance will not work with it either. The BBC head recently said that yes the media/BBC do give Islam the soft treatment because they are afraid of the violence any criticism might unleash and they fear for their own lives. He said this in response to criticism of another BBC programme mocking Jesus that upset Christians, but, you see, as he said, Christians protest but they don't riot, burn, destroy and murder when they are upset, so they are fair game.

You give Leftists a bad name.
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 12:53 am
Charles--Two things--

You state
:The Syrian Opposition is "mostly a rebellion by secular forces"? Really? You want us to believe that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Al Qaeda are supporting "secular forces"?! Again, your lack of knowledge surprises me. "

Here's an article refuting your half-hearted research
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2011/06/meet_the_syrian_opposition.html
Meet the Syrian Opposition
It's the most liberal and Western-friendly of the Arab Spring uprisings.

FROM THE ARTICLE--
At the start of the /syrian revolution, a series of demands was publshed which the majority of rebels still adhere to:
These demands were:
An end to torture, violence, and extrajudicial killings
A free and transparent media to replace the state-controlled system
State assumption of responsibility for violence
The release of all political prisoners
Free and fair elections to both national parliament (the People's Assembly) and municipal councils
An independent judiciary
Compensation for political exiles
Amendments to the Syrian constitution that would refashion the country into a "multi-national, multi-ethnic, and religiously tolerant society"
"Signed by 150 oppositionists both inside Syria and in exile, the statement echoes the demands of the coordinating committees but also addresses how to transition Syria from a totalitarian dictatorship to a pluralist democracy."
So, who's supporting democratic forces, charles, you, who advocates bombing the rebels and dsorting them ot later or myself, who advocates free expression, non-violent of course.

BTW, as to geopolitics, SAudi Arabia, a Sunni-dominated kingdom wants at all costs to halt the spreadof Shia Islam extremism sponsored by Iran.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/21/iran-vs-saudi-arabia/

From Wikipedia--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_–_Saudi_Arabia_relations

"Both Saudi Arabia and Iran have aspiration for Islamic leadership and both countries possess different vision of regional order. Iran, which after the Islamic Revolution strictly followed an anti-US policy, always deemed Saudi Arabia as an agent of the US in the Persian Gulf region that speaks for the US interests. Saudi Arabia's concerns about Iran on the other side are mainly associated to its plans of expanding influence to other parts of the Persian Gulf region, especially in post-Saddam Iraq and the quest to build its own nuclear arsenal.[29] The difference of political ideologies and governance also divided both countries. For Iran, it is said that there is no place for monarchical regimes in Islam as is seen in Saudi Arabia and also in some other Arab countries, which legitimizes the authority of Iranian clerical elites. Energy is a third source of tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Whereas Saudi Arabia, in contrast to Iran with its smaller oil reserves and larger population, can afford and is in a position to take a long-term view of the global oil market and has incentive to moderate prices, on the other hand Iran is compelled to focus on high prices in the short term."

Charles, YOUR lack of knowledge surprises ME.

Point Two--You are right--Israel attacked Iraq, not Iran in 1981. They used a route through...hold a second..yes...Saudi Arabia, not Syria. If Israel were to attack Iran, they would probably fly over the Indian Ocean, but definitely would not fly over Syria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
Please review the route used, Charles,. It will educate you too!
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 1:36 am
Hello Carola M.. You write:

> Where is your great compassion for these victims of this death cult?

To me, the "death cult" is the cult of war-making. The death cultists are the madmen who are ACTUALLY slaughtering people by the thousands. These are the lunatics who are threatening to start a world war and destroy our entire planet and kill off much of the human race.

Even if everything you say about Islam is true -- and I strongly doubt that it is -- the Islamic world is not the aggressor here.

* Who has military bases in over 100 countries?: The U.S., not Islam

* Who is constantly making war? -- The U.S. and Israel, not Islam.

* Who spends more on the military than all other countries on the planet? -- The U.S., not Islam.

* Who profits from war-making? -- the U.S., not Islam.

You write that you are "a passionate human rights fighter". Look, then, at what U.S. war-making has done to human rights in Iraq, and now in Libya. See FAQ: How is Libya faring these days?. You will be horrified by the human rights setback we have achieved under the guise of "Liberation".

Do you really think we can bomb countries into "Freedom!"? Isn't it arrogant in the extreme to think that our "Enlightened" war-addicted culture gives us the right to kill hundreds of thousands ? That's the kind of arrogance the Stalinists exhibited.

Islam does not threaten the U.S.. Only one country threatens the U.S., and that is the U.S. itself. We are being destroyed by our addiction to war. And your arrogant disdain for one of the world's major religions contributes to this addiction, because it makes it easier for the war lovers to justify their vast killing sprees. We should remove the log from our own eye, before we take on the task of reforming Islam.
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:04 am
Hello again Cal. You write:

> If Israel were to attack Iran, they would probably fly over the Indian Ocean.

The Indian Ocean is very big and not easy to fly over. Where would Israel fly over it FROM?

We're not talking about one flight to destroy a single nuclear power plant. Iran has many sites involved in nuclear power generation. Israel would need dozens of planes. Where is the Israeli aircraft carrier that would hold all of these planes?

. .

Regarding the Syrian rebels, you offer us the following article: "Meet the Syrian Opposition: It's the most liberal and Western-friendly of the Arab Spring uprisings". The article appeared in Jun 2011, about three months into the uprising. Back then, the rebels had my sympathy, because they were demanding reform. They lost my sympathy when they switched to demanding regime-change.

Overthrow of the government would plunge Syria into anarchy and civil war. The strife would make the 15-year-long civil war in Lebanon look like a picnic. And, as I've said earlier, it would take us several steps closer to WW III. Don't the rebels understand this? Don't they care?

Here's a more current article about the rebels: "Syrian opposition accused of 'human rights abuses'". Here's an excerpt:

> A report by Human Rights Watch on abuses committed by the Syrian opposition cites eye-witness accounts of kidnappings, torture, forced confessions and summary executions of security personnel and civilians.

> None of this will come as a surprise to anyone who has followed events in Syria. Some of these atrocities have been videoed and appear on YouTube. In reality, many more such crimes have been carried out since the very beginning of an insurgency that had an armed character from its earliest stages.

> Earlier official Syrian reports cited over 2,000 security personnel having been killed, and that figure must be higher after weeks of violent confrontations.

> There are, moreover, numerous media reports highlighting the sectarian character of the conflict, with Sunni forces targeting Alawites, Christians and other minorities, and of government loyalists reciprocating in kind. In addition, the well-known presence in the opposition of al-Qaeda style Salafist forces, backed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, has become an acute political embarrassment to Washington.

-- Chris Marsden, "Syrian opposition accused of 'human rights abuses'", *Global Research*, 22 Mar 2012
 

(0)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:48 am
I rest my point Charles O - it was probably you or someone of your ilk lurking beneath a burqa baying for the blood of Jews.I would really have more respect for you if you simply were honest and said something like, "My name is actually Ahmed and I am a convert to the faith of peace and love." and one way or other emerged from your "faith closet" once and for all. You attempt all this high and mighty intellectualism on all your blogs including your other anti-zion ones but actually you are nothing but a sad old fraud.
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 2:56 am
Charles, I highlighted n one of the articles I posted the human rights abuses of both sides. That isn't to say that most of the protestors and rebels are jihadists--they aren't.

Sectarian rivalry is part of the revolt to be sure. There is only so long a self-appointed minority (the Alawites) can get away with imposing its will on the majority Sunni population in Syria. All of this doesn't excuse the targeting of civilians by the Syrian government, and I don't buy for a second the Syrian leader's allegation that those doing so are rogue military units outside of Assad's control. I think syria is already in civil war and will be until reforms are enacted and Assad is gone. I think the Syrian people can sort this out and I don't advocate violent overthrow, but they have to do so within democratic means. Simply tolerating tyranny by a minority is unacceptable to the majority of the people there. Why should they put up with a government that doesn't serve their interests any more? Don't you understand that, Charles?
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 5:40 am
All comes down to the individual. A person is an individual first, then is such and such a religion or a color or a race after that etc.
Doesn't matter what ism a person encounters or what any religion says they should or 'must' do---each person is an individual and has their own personal integrity and ethics and thus decides for themselves, regardless of external consequences. There will always be someone or something else telling you what you should think or do....so what. Nobody else is you and nobody else can decide for you in the end, no matter what isms or religions or systems are set up or in place. You're the one who has to live with you and the consequences of what YOU decide.
It's not news that religion can be used to control people. Fear of death, fear of exclusion from heavenly rewards, fear of exclusion from spiritual salvation, fear of this and that.
I've read where millions of people have left Islam...if true then it obviously hasn't occurred that 'anybody who leaves Islam will be murdered' as Rob and Jay said, and is obviously impossible to occur just by sheer volume of apostates.
There's also the point of someone having a personal agenda which fuels their squashing of anything that disagrees with it. Happens on an individual level, also regarding religions too.
Rob and Jay: " Islam, as it commands all of its followers to do, is at war with the whole world." Yet there are a lot of muslims that are not at war with the whole world I would say.
I would say there are fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, Christian purists, Muslim purists, and there are those who as individuals believe whatever they want to believe in their religion and practice it how they want to practice it. They're as devout or less devout as they decide. It's not up to you to tell them otherwise.
 

Vicky P (476)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 7:43 am
screw off with the nasty comments people, this is one group of women that decided to do this, how come when someone supports a killer or a group that isn't good, no one attacks their religion or belief.
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 8:56 am
Cal M. writes --

> Simply tolerating tyranny by a minority is unacceptable to the majority of the people there. Why should they put up with a government that doesn't serve their interests any more? Don't you understand that, Charles?

Of course I understand it. That's why I support substantive reform in Syria and welcome peaceable protests -- such as the daily protests that occurred for five straight months in Latakia without incident.

However, I draw the line when the protesters start demanding "Death to Assad", because they then provide NATO with a Fifth Column for its war-making. War negates all reforms and takes us backwards into barbarism. If the protesters were sincere in seeking freedom and democracy, they would reject war and revolution and sectarian strife.

I wonder how the armed revolutionaries would be treated here in the U.S., when they call for death to the leader. Here, even peaceful protests have now been criminalized.

Here are the reforms Assad has made so far:

* Kurds regain citizenship (07 Apr 2011)
* Emergency Decree lifted (21 Apr 2011)
* General amnesty, includes political prisoners (21 Jun 2011)
* National dialogue begins (10 Jul 2011)
* Multi-party elections allowed (04 Aug 2011)
* Parliamentary elections to be held in Feb 2012 (06 Aug 2011)
* Decree supporting media freedom (28 Aug 2011)
* Drafting of new constitution begins (15 Oct 2011)
* Constitutional referendum held, term limits approved (26 Feb 2012)

Assad is showing flexibility and progress is being made. Existing reforms can become more substantive over time.

The opposition needs to maintain pressure, but not so much pressure that Syria explodes, because then, everyone loses.
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:14 am
Thank you Bernard Cronyn, for making me laugh! You write:

> I rest my point Charles O - it was probably you or someone of your ilk lurking beneath a burqa baying for the blood of Jews.I would really have more respect for you if you simply were honest and said something like, "My name is actually Ahmed and I am a convert to the faith of peace and love." and one way or other emerged from your "faith closet" once and for all. You attempt all this high and mighty intellectualism on all your blogs including send green star | flag as inappropriate
your other anti-zion ones but actually you are nothing but a sad old fraud.

Why do you think anyone would be "baying for the blood of Jews"? As we do unto others, so it is done unto us. Many of my mentors -- James Hillman, Hannah Arendt, even Albert Einstein -- came out of the cosmopolitan Jewish culture that Zionism has done so much to destroy. I value the contributions made by that culture -- it has helped to expose Christian hypocrisy and narrow-mindedness, for example, and that is good.

Why is it so hard for you to imagine that people might have a genuine desire for peace and love -- and truth and justice and freedom and equal rights. Are these not good things? So why your dismissal and your cynicism?

The struggle for peace begins with a struggle for truth and discernment. Truth is the first casualty in war, so the longer we keep truth alive, the longer the war-makers are forced to postpone their slaughter.

The truth, as Kenneth L. states, is that people are individuals and need to be judged as such. Instead of condemning all Jews or all Muslims or all Christians or all atheists, we should identify the specific Jews, Muslims, Christians and atheists who are promoting war or making war, and hold those individuals accountable.

If like-minded individuals band together and form a political movement -- e.g, Hitlerism, Zionism, Wahhabism, Stalinism -- or a government, then we can hold the movement or the government accountable, but it makes no sense at all to demonize entire ethnic and religious groups! These groups are too diverse. Generalizations are fatuous.

My opposition to Zionism is political. It's motivated by love -- love for peace, truth, justice, freedom, equal rights, and the rule of law -- not by ethnic hatred. Averting WW III is my priority. I advise you to make it your priority as well.
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:33 am
Vicky Pitchford writes:

> screw off with the nasty comments people, this is one group of women that decided to do this, how come when someone supports a killer or a group that isn't good, no one attacks their religion or belief.

Thanks Vicky. There's something about this that doesn't SMELL right. The war propaganda has a definite smell and that makes it easy to detect.

We do not know just who these women are. They could be provocateurs -- they would almost have to be, to participate in such a demonstration. Either they are Muslim extremists trying to provoke an over-reaction to Islam, or they are anti-Muslim extremists trying to provoke hatred for Islam.

Then the war propagandists come along and point to these women and use them as a pretext for wasting another trillion on death and destruction. The war lovers want us to be Very Very Afraid of this handful of women.

Sorry: I refuse to fall for it. These women are not representative of anything. They do not frighten me. I see Islam as a stodgy stultifying religion, but not as something I need to live in terror of. The people who terrify me are the people who want to shower the planet with their missiles and their radioactive Depleted Uranium bombs.

Nothing good comes from the war-makers. Our children return from their killing sprees spiritually or physically maimed, if they come back at all. Our freedoms are stolen from us under the guise of "National Security". Our treasury is plundered. Our ideals are exploited and our emotions are manipulated.

I refuse to be a part of this dead-end cult of death and destruction. I love life! If I saw these women, I would dialogue with them or laugh at them. End of story.
 

. (0)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 3:13 pm
I never sent out so many green stars on an article. Rob and Jay B, and Cal, your postings are marvelous. Charles O., your simply tiresome.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 4:36 pm
Thank you Allan for you comments and stars....and thankyou Rob and Jay for the interesting and hopefully, enlightening post for those disbelievers. We, too, have sent out many stars.
 

marie C (163)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 4:46 pm
Why weren't these women arrested How insulting to the families of the murdered also to France. What are they trying to prove there is enough hatred directed towards them don't they realize this demo only makes matters worse.
 

marie C (163)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 4:51 pm
Cam V I admire your profile photo they are honest words also green stars as many as I could send to all of you some have not been able to send as I have done so within the last week Love and Peace one day
 

Vicky P (476)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 4:57 pm
yup, I agree Charles, they don't represent an entire population of people there in France or of the muslim world, I've met many religious muslims and they don't pray that something bad will happen to the Jews or to anyone else for that matter.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 5:31 pm
Vicky P - comments are made because of radical Islam. This is what Islam is about - this is a Cult and a satanic one that shows no compassion or love towards others - regardless of race, colour or creed. Those Muslims deemed to be 'moderate' - may well be - until Jihad is called. According to the Koran - its followers must adhere to the teachings of Prophet Mohammed - who calls for the death of all Infidels and Jews and also any 'moderate' Muslims who do not follow its teachings. We hope that the moderate Muslims will see the extremism of this cult and DUMP it.! Therefore, Vicky - those religious Muslims you have met - will have to follow the Koran in its entirety - or bow out!!!!!!!
 

Charles O (209)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 9:31 pm
patrica and edw jones writes:

> According to the Koran - its followers must adhere to the teachings of Prophet Mohammed - who calls for the death of all Infidels and Jews and also any 'moderate' Muslims who do not follow its teachings.

. .

And yet Muslims and Jews have managed to live together in the Middle East for 1,300 years! If "Mohammed calls for the death of all Jews", how was that possible?

Muslim lands even served as a refuge for Jews fleeing from the "Christian" Inquisition! And yet you tell us that "Mohammed calls for the death of all Jews". If that is true, why would so many Jews take refuge in the land of Mohammed? Can you see that there is something that doesn't make sense here?

It is the Zionist reign of terror in Palestine that ended 13 hundred years of ethnic peace. So who is the extremist?

. .

The war lovers ridicule the notion that Islam is "a religion of peace". And they want us to be Very Very Afraid of Muslims, so that they can have a pretext for leveling the entire region and "killing everything that breathes", as Deuteronomy 20:16 commands.

But if we look at the last 1,300 years of history we find that Islam really WAS "a religion of peace". Most of the wars in the region have been started by the Britain, France, the U.S. and Israel. Iran, the country the Israeli regime lusts to obliterate, has not started a war in 300 years.

If a small percentage of Muslims today have taken up arms, it is only because they are tired of having their countries under attack by Europeans and the Ziosphere. You ridicule these Muslims because they refuse to die quietly when they are bombed and invaded, but would you die quietly if foreign powers attacked your country? Probably not! So the Muslims we are all supposed to Fear and Hate and Terrorize and Slaughter are actually just like you.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday March 28, 2012, 10:34 pm
Pat and edw jones: make up your mind, "comments are made because of radical Islam" or "this is what Islam is about". You're differentiating or you're not differentiating between radical Islam and Islam in general? The fact is you're religious bigots and label whatever you choose to conveniently put yourself 'in the right and good' compared to some other religion 'in the wrong, bad, and 'satanic'" LOL Good old Christian fundamentalists, hating as much as anybody. Pronouncing 'what Islam is' for other people and what Muslims 'must believe and what they must do'....
And for those who don't believe in Satan? Oh, that's right, no free thinking allowed except for what's in the bible.
You'd be bigots no matter WHAT the other religion was.. :
 

Marena Chen (200)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:12 am
I have long given up commenting on care2 threads...I read the comments, shake my head at some in disbelief and depart...but today I need to say this: Charles O. (and 1 or 2 others)..."YOU DESPERATELY NEED A BRAIN TRANSPLANT."~~~ SO MUCH HATRED SPRINGS FROM YOUR COMMENTS THAT IT MAKES IT ALMOST PHYSICALLY PAINFUL TO READ THEM~~~
 

Hilary S (65)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:31 am
wow - what are they playing? let's cheer the murderer of some children and an unarmed rabbi? madness in the islamist world seems to be growing.
 

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:37 am
Hello Marena. I read your profile page, because I thought it might help me to understand your perspective. You tell us that you are a born-again Christian, and your response to "Who/What changed my life and why" is "Finding God - who literally saved my life. If anyone is interested, I will tell them how it happened".

Well, I'm interested. Please tell us more about yourself, and tell us where you see hatred in my devotion to peace and truth.

 

Stan B (123)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:49 am
Marena. Remember the old adage about " casting pearls before swine." It's a total waste of time and energy as far as Charlie is concerned.
 

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 1:48 am
Hello Stan. We see, once again, who opposes dialogue. Not me!

I love dialogue. That's because I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. I'm open to truth, and that sustains me and brings me joy.

Yes, defending the indefensible IS "a total waste of time and energy". That square peg is NEVER going to fit into that round hole. So you might as well just keep the poison "pearls" and retreat a little deeper into your bunker, right?

And someday, when you can retreat no further, you will see that this regression is something you inflicted upon yourself. It wasn't me who painted you into that corner! I'm the one inviting you to drop the supremacist idiocy and come out of your bunker and rejoin the human race as an EQUAL.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:28 am
Marena I've never seen you comment on a single thread in C2NN, then you come onto a thread that has 'Islamist murderer' in the title like it's going to be sweetness and light? And I don't see any hatred from Charles O., just a lot of dialogue. Of course he doesn't swallow wholesale defamation and hate of an entire religion...maybe that sticks in people's craws...
This thread is marshmallow nice compared to some I've seen. As if religion isn't a super hot subject.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:33 am
I don't want to drop names but if Margaret Mayer, Kit B., Just C., Julia R. are friends of Charles O., there ain't NOBODY that can discredit him.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 4:45 am
A couple of things that seem odd about this story is 1. they don't allow peaceful protest in France? (the police prevented a demonstration by these women...) and 2. they wore illegal burqas (but the police didn't arrest them for it)?
What a winner of a 'story'. Luckily you don't have a few more rational people on this thread to blow anti-muslim hate out of the water.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 5:06 am
The French Council of the Muslim Faith denounced the attacks by Merah. Nobody mentions that on this thread.
"Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the French Council for the Muslim Faith, “It is absolutely excluded that we confuse this character – and the Islamist, jihadist, al-Qaeda-linked movement he represents – and the Islam of France, which is a religion like all other religions. These acts are in total contradiction with the foundations of this religion.”
Globe and Mail, Toronto, Canada
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 6:53 am
30 stupid women act in a stupid and evil manner, kind of like all those who love evil..but that is thirty out of a billion.
While these Godless women chose to hide their faces other Muslims choose to ban the burka.
 

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 8:47 am
Kenneth L. writes:

> The French Council of the Muslim Faith denounced the attacks by Merah. Nobody mentions that on this thread.

> > "Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the French Council for the Muslim Faith, “It is absolutely excluded that we confuse this character – and the Islamist, jihadist, al-Qaeda-linked movement he represents – and the Islam of France, which is a religion like all other religions. These acts are in total contradiction with the foundations of this religion.”

> -- Globe and Mail, Toronto, Canada

Thanks Kenneth!

Thanks for noticing the contradictions in the story, doing a little research, and giving us the other side of the story.

Reality often surprises us. It doesn't always conform to our stereotypes and our inculcated beliefs. Fact is stranger than fiction.

Many people seem to be caught up in a system of idolatry. Their ethnic or religious esteem rests on the denigration and demonization of OTHER races, religions and ethnicities. The worse their own behavior becomes, the more they try to hide it by demonizing OTHERS. They put this belief in the demon group above truth, and instantly accept any stories that support their belief. They are eager to believe the worst, so they fall prey to every lie and every one-sided story.

I know, because I have done the same thing myself at various times in my life.

Often we act on our false or one-sided information. We make war. Many innocent people are killed. Our own killing helps to create the Enemy or Demon that we are so eager to believe in, as our victims despair and turn against us.

The more we kill, the bigger the Demon becomes, and none of this war-making comes cheap. Our sons and daughters come back from the killing spiritually or physically maimed, if they come back at all. Our rights are stolen from us under the guise of "National Security". Our economy tanks as trillions of dollars go up in smoke -- money that we could have spent on our own health care or infrastructure is wasted on death and destruction.

And then one day we wake up and notice that we were lied to, we were not given the whole truth. By then, it's too late. There's no way to bring all of the people we have killed back to life.

That's why research is so important! We don't have to do this to ourselves and others! We don't have to wait till we are up to our necks in blood! We can uncover the whole truth NOW, if we are willing to choose truth over idolatry and reality over ideology. Choose carefully!

The truth may affront our idols. It may force us to stop believing that the targeted group is some sort of Demon. But that's good! Idolatry is a curse, not a blessing! When the idol has been overturned, we become free of hate, free of fear, free to see the other as a human being like ourselves. Once the artificial fear is gone, our horizons expand, and we begin to feel like we own the world. Truth sets us free.

 

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 9:40 am
Some good news for a change:

 

Vicky P (476)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 11:23 am
like all religions, there are some crazy people, Islam is not radical, it's funny that before the whole 9/11 thing, that none of this "terrorism" and extremism was going on. This is just a few people that you are seeing, and some of these people are driven by the fact that they have nothing to lose anymore in these countries, not talking about France. So, stop being ignorant.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 12:45 pm
May Merah be executed, wrapped in a hog fat saturated winding sheet, and buried face down as a murderer and terrorist. May his followers be forever exiled from civilised nations. May the mujadeen terrorists of the Arab lands be executed to the last man. Then maybe the rest of them can be recovered and returned to being human. France is reaping the harvest of giving refuge to Ruhollah Khomeini, the Fink of Iran.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 1:53 pm
@Kenneth...You seem to suffer from a certain amount of memory loss...Over the years that I have been a member here, I have commented and argued my position on some issues under discussion...it's just the last 2 years or so that I have stopped...I have 2 green stars from you to prove it...

...as to Charlie O...I have said all intend to say to you...you would be the very last person on this earth that I would open up to...Hate-mongering is NOT my forte....
 

Henrik Thorsen (31)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 2:02 pm
These people make me sick! Being brainwashed is no excuse for being evil too.
If their invisible friend is so almighty, why does he always need mortal humans to do his dirty work?
 

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 29, 2012, 2:19 pm
Some good new for a change (let's try this again):

"LEBANON: Over 30 NGOs Demonstrate for Women's Rights"

These women are doing more for freedom than all of the war-loving politicians in the U.S. have ever done.

Freedom is something to LIVE for, not something to kill and die for. We expand the envelop of our freedom when we exercise our rights. That's just what these women are doing, and it's something I hope we Americans will do, someday soon.

. .

Hate-mongering? You're right, Marena Chen: I hate the war-makers. I hate the greed, I hate the savagery, I have the injustice, I hate the stupidity, I hate the arrogance, and above, all I hate the lies. I invite you to join me in hating these monstrous evils.
 

Stan B (123)
Friday March 30, 2012, 3:45 am
Charles O. You wrote. " I love dialogue. That's because I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. I'm open to truth, and that sustains me and brings me joy."
Let's try a little simple dialogue. I would like your responses to the two following very simple questions.
1 Your good friend John D not only condones the attack and murder of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics by Palestinian terrorists, he actually tries to justify it.
Do you agree with him?
2 John D also condones and justifies the brutal murder of the Fogel family at Itamar where the parents and children aged 11, 4 and 3 months were butchered by a crazed Palestinian.
Do you agree with him?
I'm not looking for anti-war polemics, slogan promotion or waffle, Charles. Just two yes or no answers and then we might be able to begin a meaningful dialogue of which you are so fond.
 

Charles O (209)
Friday March 30, 2012, 7:28 am
Hello Stan B. --

I condone none of the attacks you mention. I also believe that you are slandering John D., but I cannot speak for him.

Now I have two questions for you.

(1) What does Israel intend to do with the several million people it has kept under occupation and bombardment for the last 44 years?

(a) Accept them as fellow citizens in a state where all have equal rights?
(b) Genocide them?
(c) Keep them under perpetual occupation?

(2) Do you condone the assassination of Iranian scientists?
 

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Friday March 30, 2012, 9:20 am
Yes, Cal, the Zionists DID do something to me: They took over my country and slammed it into war, like the Titanic slamming into an iceberg. They ripped my country apart. Now we're trillions of dollars in debt and our economy is shattered and we're up to our necks in blood, and our big media are censored, so we are not even free to identify the problem. I DO take this personally. The wars you keep promoting will end up killing us all.

Charles O..If you want to know who starts all the wars go out and buy the book called "Liberal Fascism" By: Jonnah Goldberg then you can SEE where all the wars come from that start! You just might be surprised but more SHOCKED!! Imagine that!!
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Friday March 30, 2012, 2:32 pm
"Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the French Council for the Muslim Faith, “It is absolutely excluded that we confuse this character – and the Islamist, jihadist, al-Qaeda-linked movement he represents – and the Islam of France, which is a religion like all other religions."

like all other religions? what other religion illegally blocks street traffic once a week? what other religion features 700 or 800 no-go zones where police and fire services can't go? what other religion prevents native french people from carrying on centuries old religious traditions or causes them to need security to have them?

that's the islam of france and it's nothing like other religions. it's really not even a religion itself. it's a theocratic political system.
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Friday March 30, 2012, 2:32 pm
Carol Dreezen, you and the conspiracy theoriists here keep telling me I'm promoting some wars--No one can name any of them specifically--how odd, don't you think? Someone always has to have something to complain about--whether real or imagined, I guess.
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Friday March 30, 2012, 2:40 pm
vicky pitchford,

quoting you:
"it's funny that before the whole 9/11 thing, that none of this "terrorism" and extremism was going on."

didn't your GED include history? aren't you aware that 9/11 was the SECOND attempt of terrorists to take down the twin towers? never heard about the USS Cole? the embassy bombing? the hostages that were held by terrorists for 444 days (that's over a year, in case your GED also didn't have math). this "terrorism" and extremism has been going on for 1400 years.

quoting you again:
"So, stop being ignorant."
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Friday March 30, 2012, 2:44 pm
this little get-together would be the moral equivalent for having a rally for anders breivik or something. every one of them should be id'ed and investigated for supporting terrorists. and deported would be nice, too, since they're anti-france and flaunting the law.
 

Charles O (209)
Friday March 30, 2012, 9:55 pm
Gillian Miller writes:

> nowhere in the New Testament have I seen him say that anyone should preach hatred of anyone including Jews (aka Zionists)

It's this extremely dishonest "aka" that is the root of the problem, here. It's like saying that critics of Hitler "preach hatred of anyone including Germans (aka Nazis)".

What explains your curious unwillingness to make even the most basic DISTINCTIONS, Gillian. Do you see any DISTINCTION at all between the innocent and the guilty, for example? Or do you mix those together too, just as you mix Jews and Zionists together?

How DARE you equate a respectable 5,000-year-old RELIGION with a 115-year-old fascistic POLITICAL movement? Do you know anything at all about Zionist history? -- about the Zionist use of terror, for example? When I condemn terrorists and you translate this as an attack on Jews, you are equating Jews with terrorists.

If I were Jewish, I would be livid with rage when you try to force these dishonest equations down our throats. Even as a non-Jew, I am outraged by this relentless attempt to blame the entire Jewish community for the heinous crimes of the Zionists.
 

Charles O (209)
Friday March 30, 2012, 10:29 pm
Carol Dreeszen writes:

> Charles O..If you want to know who starts all the wars go out and buy the book called "Liberal Fascism" By: Jonnah Goldberg then you can SEE where all the wars come from that start!

Jonnah Goldberg? The neo-con editor of *National Review Online*?! You go to this neo-con to get an objective book about liberals?!

Let's assume that Goldberg is right. Then we have to conclude that Richard Perle, Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Richard Cheney, and George Bush are all liberals -- because these are the geniuses who gave us the trillion-dollar holocaust in Iraq.

At one time, I was a National Review subscriber, Carol. I'm ashamed to admit it now. Every National Review issue called for more and more billions to be spent on ever more deadly weapons. It was nothing but an advertisement for the war racket. Never did I see any concern about the cost of war, in lives and in treasure. In the neo-con National Review universe, bombs and missiles were the solution to every problem.

What led me to subscribe to National Review? Well, this was 1978, way before the Internet. All of my political perspective came from the big corporate media. The "Liberals" who were allowed to appear in the media were mindless idiots. Disgusted with these "Liberals", I turned to the "Conservatives".

I now know that the "Liberals" and "Conservatives" on tv are actually neo-libs and neo-cons -- two sides of a single globalist coin. Both speak for the 1% -- the billionaires.

Real liberals and real conservatives (paleo-conservatives) are rarely seen on tv. These people make sense. These people speak for the 99%.

If you want to read a real conservative, try Justin Raimondo or any of the other commentators at antiwar.com.



 

Stan B (123)
Friday March 30, 2012, 10:33 pm
Charles O. if you think I am slandering John D why don't you ask him yourself if what I wrote was incorrect. I'd be interested in his response.

You answered my questions and I shall do the same with yours.
1. I cannot speak for the Israeli government or any other government. All I can do is give my own personal opinion.
There have been far too many wars and wasted young lives in this conflict. It has gone on for too long. A solution has to be found which satisfies the realistic aspirations of both sides and is guaranteed by the international community. Easier said than done but there is no other alternative. What makes the whole thing more complicated is when people like you write emotive nonsense as you did above to Gillian.


How DARE you equate a respectable 5,000-year-old RELIGION with a 115-year-old fascistic POLITICAL movement? Do you know anything at all about Zionist history? -- about the Zionist use of terror, for example? When I condemn terrorists and you translate this as an attack on Jews, you are equating Jews with terrorists.

2. I don't condone the assassination of anyone unless they are presenting a serious danger to the lives of others. If a known suicide bomber was heading towards my family I'd be more than happy to remove him/her without a second thought. Wouldn't you?
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 30, 2012, 11:15 pm
Charlie O - Muslims and Jews lived peacefully together!!! How far back in the past are we going........Why are the Muslims in the Middle East - Iran, Palestine et al - so dead set of 'driving the Jews into the Sea'??? Do you really think that Israel needs such 'caring compassionate' neighbours - the like of which it has had to defend itself against since it became a State in 1948?
 

Charles O (209)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 1:06 am
patricia and edw jones writes:

> Why are the Muslims in the Middle East - Iran, Palestine et al - so dead set of 'driving the Jews into the Sea'???

I have historical photographs showing the Arabs of Haifa being driven into the sea by the Zionists.

The Zionists cover up their crimes by accusing the victims of wanting to perpetrate the same crimes. They project their crimes onto their victims.

Imagine the police arriving at the scene of a mugging. The thief points to the victim and yells "Thief!". The police then apprehend the victim, while the real thief makes good his escape.

To answer your question, Muslims are NOT "so dead set of driving Jews into the Sea". Muslims and Christians ARE dead set on SURVIVING, and that is difficult, because the Zionists are hell-bent on destroying everything in the region. So Palestinians, for example, have no choice but to resist. "Hamas", I'm told, is the Arab word for "Resist". Remove the need to resist ethnic eradication and you remove Hamas.

. .

Like the strife in WW II, the strife in Palestine is caused by a secular fascistic ideology imported from Europe, NOT by religion.

> As [Hamas leader] Salah Shehadeh himself said in an interview last May, "We do not fight Jews because they are Jews, but because they are occupying our lands. We do not fight them because of their faith, but because they are violating our rights."

-- Wendy Pearlman, "Israel's Indifference to Civilian Lives", *Washington Report*, Sep-Oct 2002

Israel dropped a 1-ton bomb on Shehadeh's apartment on 22 Jul 2002, killing 15 people, including 9 children.

The Hamas Charter does not target Jewish GENES: It targets fascist BEHAVIOR. Palestinians are resisting genocidal POLICY, not some imaginary gene!

The struggle is NOT about hatred: It's about FREEDOM! People are tired of living under Israel's boot and tired of having their history and their existence erased.

> "We are not in need of more ketchup or mayonnaise", said civic leader Amjad Shawa. "We need our freedom."
 

Charles O (209)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 1:35 am
stan b. writes:

> There have been far too many wars and wasted young lives in this conflict. It has gone on for too long. A solution has to be found which satisfies the realistic aspirations of both sides and is guaranteed by the international community. Easier said than done but there is no other alternative.

I never thought I'd hear YOU say this, stan! I'm amazed!

When you say "wasted young lives", do you include Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, and Iraqi lives lost, plus the countless Iranian lives that will soon be lost? Or are you thinking only of Israeli lives lost? Are you thinking like a human being, or thinking like a Zionist?

The Zionist is trapped by his belief in ethnic supremacy. He believes that security, prosperity, peace and freedom for Jews entails the destruction of security, prosperity, peace and freedom for non-Jews. But the harder he tries to destroy and dehumanize others, the more he ends up destroying and dehumanizing himself.

Security and prosperity is far more likely to be attained under the American model, where the individual has primacy over the tribe and all individuals have the SAME rights. EQUAL treatment is what makes is possible for diverse individuals to live together here in harmony. I do not understand why Zionists are unable to grasp this very simple truth. Apparently, they are blinded by ideology.

I asked about assassinations, because I wanted to see how far you are willing to go to achieve war with Iran. But I see now that it's better to address one issue at a time. So the main issue, for me, is Israel's suicidal bellicosity, based on Zionist delusions of ethnic supremacy. Israel has painted itself into a corner. There's only one way out, and that is to recognize that a non-Jew is just as much a human being as a Jew. Jews and non-Jews are entitled to the same rights. Either they both have security, or neither has security. They live or die together.
 

bob m (32)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 1:16 pm

Fascism Charlie?... I remember the dead thing stink of jew hate from my childhood .. the segregation, the resentment , ..Read your comment above..line starting "The Zionist"...ending ;"dehumanizing himself" .. I prescribe it to you...look deeply into it.... The simple stink of these words has been around way back into the days of my childhood they were worn like a common badge of belonginging by the great public common : in times like those of the man in your avatar... a sinister subtle gas; this stink... the gas of fascism 'the gas which turned away ships carrying jews off our coast line .. look deeply Charlie ... free yourself from your intellectual ego trip .. look in the mirror at your own ugly words.
 

Charles O (209)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 3:35 pm
Hello bob m.. I'm encouraged by your opposition to fascism -- the primitive death cult that gave us WW II, the destruction of an entire continent, and the biggest human sacrifice in history. I have been vehemently opposed to this form of political insanity for the last thirty years.

If we are serious about resisting fascism, we should at least know what it is. It is a political derangement that exists independent of ethnicity. Fascists and their victims can belong to any ethnic group. We have the Spanish fascists under Franco, the Italian fascists under Mussolini, the German fascists under Hitler. We have the fascist regimes installed throughout Latin America in the 1960s with the help of the CIA.

Fascists promote ethnic segregation and ethnic supremacy. They elevate their own ethnic group and denigrate other ethnic groups, then they use the resulting distrust as a pretext for making war. For the fascist, the State and the Tribe have primacy over the individual. The latter is expendable and has worth only as cannon-fodder.

. .

If we condemn a particular strain of fascism, are we attacking or hating the ethnicity that hosts it? Just the opposite! Since fascism is ruinous for the ethnic group it preys upon, we are actually supporting the ethnic group when we resist that group's fascists -- in the same way that we support the human body when we fight a disease that afflicts the body.

. .

In WW II, the German conquest of much of Europe depended heavily on collaborators.

* British Appeasers (the Conservative Party under Chamberlain) collaborated
* Ukrainians collaborated
* Hungarians collaborated
* the Vichy French collaborated
* Norwegians collaborated
* Jews collaborated

Are we allowed to condemn or criticize these collaborators with fascism, or is that deemed too defamatory? Are we defaming all French people when we speak of Vichy France? If so, what should we do? -- pretend that there was no such thing as the Vichy Regime?

Ethnic groups are made up of human beings, and not all human beings are alike. Some individuals are good, and some are bad. Some collaborate and some don't. This is true of non-Jews, and it is true of Jews as well. This adult understanding is our best defense against war and genocide.

Unfortunately, under the influence of Zionism, this adult perspective has been suppressed. We are urged, instead, to see the world as a comic-book or fairy-tale, where ethnicity is everything. We are taught to see ALL Germans as Demons and ALL Jews as Angels.

Political realities and movements are hidden under the cloak of ethnicity. This Zionist elevation of ethnicity over all else is one of the hallmarks of fascism.

Zionism and Hitlerism are both race-based ideologies. The Zionist demand for a "Jewish Homeland" dovetailed with the Hitlerite demand for a "Aryan Homeland". Both agreed that German Jews were living in the wrong "Homeland". Thus the two legitimized each other. While other Jews were being persecuted and murdered, Zionists were given a privileged position in the Third Reich.

After the war, when other forms of fascism were universally condemned, the Zionists escaped condemnation by posing as Eternal Victims, Infinite Victims. In their take-over of Palestine, however, they revealed their true colors. Their methods -- terror, collective punishment, assassination, massacres, blame-the-victim propaganda -- were indistinguishable from methods used by the Third Reich.

In the early days of Zionism, most Jews regarded the Zionists as dangerous fanatics. Palestine was not the first victim of Zionism: The first victim was cosmopolitan Jewish culture.

Zionism became mainstream when the British Empire discovered that it could use Zionists as the spearhead for its divide-and-conquer strategy in the Middle East. Today, it seems like Jews are once again becoming critical of Zionism.

. .

The Zionist pretends to represent all Jews and uses Jews as a shield for deflecting righteous condemnation. He tries to abolish distinctions --

* the distinction between politics and religion,
* the distinction between the regime and the people,
* the distinction between innocent and guilty,
* the distinction between Zionist and Jew.

The struggle against Zionism (Jewish FASCISM) is, in large measure, as struggle to restore essential distinctions. Our opposition to Zionism should be matched by support for non-Zionist Jews -- Jews in the Israeli peace movement, for example. Jews and non-Jews alike are victims of Zionism; sympathy for both motivates our resistance to Zionism. Where Zionists see an Eternal Conflict between Jews and non-Jews, we see a temporary conflict between peaceable people and fascists, a conflict that will end as soon as the peaceable people find a way to unite across ethnic lines.

. .

My id graphic is a portrait of Ralph Waldo Emerson. Emerson opposed injustice and unequal treatment, as we can see from his letter to President Van Buren, in which he condemns the crimes that led to the "Trail of Tears".
 

marie C (163)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 4:41 pm
There does not appear to be any compromise on this thread Its very sad No one will give an inch
 

M B (62)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 5:34 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Charles because you have done so within the last week. I agree with Kathy Javens, Kenneth L. and Vicky Pitchford.
I'm amazed that some people condemn an entire religion, because someONE (Individual) did an attack in France. And we don't know about those women in black burqa's...whom they represent ? (It wouldn't be the first time of "false flag".)
I see much pretended dialogue in some comments, but in real it's filled with insults. Like this we never gain peace. Same goes for "chosen" folks who blame ALL Germans for WW II...
We need asking who profits from war, who's behind it ? I think that neither Americans nor Israel should force their so-called democracy on other countries.
Better to look what we humans have in common, than to look for things which seperates us.
 

Richard Smith (81)
Saturday March 31, 2012, 7:06 pm
marie tc,
its the same feeling i get. so much is arguing about words,dates,news articles and definitions and when a definition arises from a particular slant...there seems to be a tug of war about "who the bad guys really are."

I'm not saturated in endless news articles ,but i find that when ever name calling starts and the personal insults of "you are obviously less intelligent than I" and derogatory remarks begin to fly...it becomes much like the "peace talks"...they simply bog down in ranting sprees and we all forget that the common enemy is never a human being anyway...but the enemy is hate itself...and systems that teach hate.
 

John J (0)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 3:16 am
@Charles O
"But if we look at the last 1,300 years of history we find that Islam really WAS "a religion of peace".
Islam was never a "religion of peace"
I think you mean submission to mohammeds will and example-the Indian holocaust alone was the worst the world has ever seen
 

Mary P (157)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 12:02 pm
Richard I agree 'Hate' is our worst enemy not forgetting Greed and Power! Why can't we human beings
Realize that no one is perfect and without some sin or other; and only the individual who does the crime should be the one to be condemned, Not the entire nation nor his religion! When
The american soldier who murdered 17 afghanis, 8 of whom were little children and Burnt their
Bodies; no one asked what religion he belonged to!;
Neither his RELIGION, his country nor ALL who follows his religion are being
Blamed for his bloody and brutal crimes!

Wake Up to what the Real Agenda is here!; it is to spread Islamophobia

STOP with the Double Standards!
STOP with the Hate!
STOP pretending that you are perfect!
STOP living in a world of Your Own Inner hate and Fear!
STOP spewing Lies, falsehood and distortations from hate sites!
STOP demonising others while hiding your Own Faults and Crimes!

Clean your own backyard before pointing fingers at others!

Bring back your humanity, love, care, compassion and let's unite instead of
Divide the human race! We all are human beings who bleed the same!
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 10:37 am
One thing I'm sure of----THAT WHICH YOU HATE YOU BECOME---guaranteed; it's a trap; a natural law.
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 4:42 pm
mary muslima,

there's no such thing as "islamophobia". a phobia is an irrational fear. none of us stay home out of fear we'll meet a muslim or have anxiety attacks if we do. the "Real Agenda" as you call it, includes a lot of what normal people call conspiracy theory. the word "islamophobia" was invented to create victim status for a religio-cultural group that actually gets treated better than most minorities.

i'm not afraid of muslims. i'm a realist about the teachings of the prophet though and there's plenty of hate and "kaffirophobia" in his unholy book.

luckily most muslims don't read it or go to mosques on a regular basis so they don't live by it. they're called "moderate muslims". the ones that do live by it get called "radical/extremist muslims".

just out of curiosity, have you, my little muslima sheep, ever read the WHOLE quran?
 

berny p (23)
Monday April 23, 2012, 4:16 am

When are governments going to wake up??
 
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