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Israel's Occupation Of Palestinian-Claimed Territories Ruled Legal By French Court


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Jay
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the Versailles Court of Appeal ruled that the Israeli occupation of territories claimed by Palestinians is legal. The judicial decision put an end to a long process initiated by the French-Palestinian Solidarity Association (ASPF) & the PLO & fined them



   

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Jay S (116)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 8:00 am
Here's the story of the ruling, based on International Laws:

Virtually all international media has ignored recent news from France, where a court issued a ruling related, among other things, to the legality of Israel's occupation. As noted in a March 13, 2013 article published by the French media outlet Dreuz, the Versailles Court of Appeal ruled that the Israeli occupation of the territories claimed by the Palestinians is in fact legal.

The judicial decision put an end to a long process initiated by the French-Palestinian Solidarity Association (ASPF) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) represented by Mahmoud Abbas.

Also, in February 2007, both the ASPF and the PLO denounced the French companies Veolia Transport and Alstom Transport SA for building the Jerusalem tram that runs through the Eastern part of the city, which the Palestinians claim as theirs. Regarding the occupation, the PLO and ASPF appealed using existing articles from the Geneva Convention and both The Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1954. But the Court of Versailles specifies that those articles are not applicable. Firstly, these agreements apply to States, and neither the Palestinian Authority nor the PLO are such. Secondly, both Convention articles refer to “High Contracting Parties”, and neither the PLO nor the PA ever signed those Conventions.

As for the transport companies, the French court – which does allow for appeals – ruled that Israel has the right to build in the occupied territories. Article 43 of the Fourth Hague Convention of 1907 specifies that "the authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country." The Court fined the AFPS and the OLP 30,000 Euros payable each to Alstom, Alstom Transport and Veolia Transport.

It is interesting to note the mainstream media’s willingness to report promptly when it comes to Tribunals that condemn Israel or when proven Israel detractors accuse the Jewish State of legal violations. However, when a legal court rules in favor of Israel, abiding by International Law rather than personal opinion, the media silence is quite staggering. It seems there’s no room for facts, just for opinions and mere assumptions.
 

bob m (32)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 8:24 am

so now they'll burn a million cars and districts of housing given to help them and the Gov't will receive millions more of them
 

Gillian M (218)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 8:57 am
I'm in shock, someone has agreed that Israel's legally held land belongs to them!

For the anti-Semites please read up on international law!
 

Gene Jacobson (286)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 9:02 am
"Regarding the occupation, the PLO and ASPF appealed using existing articles from the Geneva Convention and both The Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1954. But the Court of Versailles specifies that those articles are not applicable. Firstly, these agreements apply to States, and neither the Palestinian Authority nor the PLO are such. Secondly, both Convention articles refer to “High Contracting Parties”, and neither the PLO nor the PA ever signed those Conventions."

Sort of gives new meaning to the phrase "hoisted by one's own petard". I was wondering what on earth they were doing in a French court in the first place since this is more of a World court kind of issue, then saw their hook was the tram. But the findings are amusing as well as accurate. Maybe they should have thought about signing those Conventions a bit longer before deciding not to play. And, Bob's right, nothing like a judicial slap in the face to set off a raging mob of muslims. They'll riot over a marshmallow dropped off a stick, so this should certainly give them reason to incite to violence their lot.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 9:22 am
If appeals of the decision get rejected after going high enough, we may be looking at signs of a major change in European politics.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 9:56 am
Interesting, that this decision comes from French, who are traditionally supporters of Arabs!

Hope to see Stephen right, and this decision leading to overview of old European pro-Arab dogmas on this conflict.
 

Gene Jacobson (286)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 12:12 pm
I think, Bob, that the French are rethinking their support of muslims. They have had SO much trouble with their immigrant population the last few years. That group, as they do in many places, does not work but draws welfare so as to weaken their enemy from within by draining resources, and they've been busy rioting over every slight, imagined or not, you know burning cars, looting shops, beating passers by that the French seem to have lost some of their enthusiasm for Islamic immigrants. Inviting the wolf in for a meal is seldom wise especially when the wolf considers you the meal.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 2:55 pm
Support from the French...incredible.
Gene- I would like to think the French made the right decision, instead of :Well, at least they aren't Muslims".
 

Stan B (123)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 4:40 pm
Great post RnJ. It could well be that we're seeing the anti-Israel stance taken by so many European countries changing. It's past time.
Incidentally, does this ruling indicate that the Palestinians are illegal squatters in the Territories?
 

Hilary S (65)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 5:45 pm
well, this is a pleasant surprise, especially in view of france's stubborn support of enderlin, in the face of mounting evidence that the footage was staged and then edited to discredit israel. see:
http://honestreporting.com/is-cnn-lying-about-al-dura/
for a bit more on that essentially beat-up media tale.
 

Roger G (148)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 7:16 pm
noted, thanks!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 9:36 pm
This is excellent news - perhaps others will take note?
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 9:51 pm
There is something perhaps even more interesting in the ruling:

It recognizes international law as a body of agreements between states in which non-state actors, individual humens, etc. have no legal standing. If this is recognized by Europe in general, it could have massive impacts on international humanitarian law (and its abuse).
 

John J (0)
Friday May 24, 2013, 1:19 am
truth trumps lies any time
the question being whether the delusionists will be able to adjust their auditory filters to accommodate truth
 

Joan H (20)
Friday May 24, 2013, 3:38 am
Very interesting. Thanks Rob and Jay.
 

berny p (23)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:17 am

Lets wait for the car burning...NOT THAT THEY NEED AN EXCUSE TO DO THIS!!!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:21 am
Berny, I think burning cars is a strategy to make these gangsters feel important. They may attach excuses, but the excuses are usually lime, and inferior to the opportunity to be a vandal and do destroy property of those who could achieve more.

 

Vlasta M (7)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:40 am
Israel is the ONLY country in the world that did not fight and killd the natives when they started buying the land from Arabs and Ottomans and started the back breaking work on reviving their old kingdom starting in mid 19th century. Palestine (which included Est Palestine, which in now Jordan, and West Palestine which is Israel and West Bank) was a wasteland described by Mark Twain in his Innocents Abroad travelogue (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3176/3176-h/3176-h.htm In chapter 56 Mark Twain said:

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists—over whose waveless surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead—about whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching lips, but turns to ashes at the touch. Nazareth is forlorn; about that ford of Jordan where the hosts of Israel entered the Promised Land with songs of rejoicing, one finds only a squalid camp of fantastic Bedouins of the desert; Jericho the accursed, lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua's miracle left it more than three thousand years ago; Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Saviour's presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang Peace on earth, good will to men, is untenanted by any living creature, and unblessed by any feature that is pleasant to the eye. Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village; the riches of Solomon are no longer there to compel the admiration of visiting Oriental queens; the wonderful temple which was the pride and the glory of Israel, is gone, and the Ottoman crescent is lifted above the spot where, on that most memorable day in the annals of the world, they reared the Holy Cross. The noted Sea of Galilee, where Roman fleets once rode at anchor and the disciples of the Saviour sailed in their ships, was long ago deserted by the devotees of war and commerce, and its borders are a silent wilderness; Capernaum is a shapeless ruin; Magdala is the home of beggared Arabs; Bethsaida and Chorazin have vanished from the earth, and the "desert places" round about them where thousands of men once listened to the Saviour's voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.

Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land? Palestine is no more of this work-day world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition—it is dream-land.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3176/3176-h/3176-h.htm
 

Vlasta M (7)
Friday May 24, 2013, 10:03 am
Israel is the ONLY country in the world that did not fight and kill the natives when they started buying the land from the Arabs and Ottomans and started the back breaking work on reviving their old kingdom, starting in mid 19th century. Palestine (which included Est Palestine, which is now Jordan, and West Palestine, which is Israel and West Bank) was a wasteland described by Mark Twain in his Innocents Abroad travelogue in 1869, when Jews starting buying land and revived the totally neglected Palestine (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3176/3176-h/3176-h.htm In chapter 56 Mark Twain said:

"Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists—over whose wave-less surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead—about whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching lips, but turns to ashes at the touch. Nazareth is forlorn; about that ford of Jordan where the hosts of Israel entered the Promised Land with songs of rejoicing, one finds only a squalid camp of fantastic

Bedouins of the desert; Jericho the accursed, lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua's miracle left it more than three thousand years ago; Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Savior's presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang Peace on earth, good will to men, is untenanted by any living creature, and un-blessed by any feature that is pleasant to the eye.

Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village; the riches of Solomon are no longer there to compel the admiration of visiting Oriental queens; the wonderful temple which was the pride and the glory of Israel, is gone, and the Ottoman crescent is lifted above the spot where, on that most memorable day in the annals of the world, they reared the Holy Cross.

The noted Sea of Galilee, where Roman fleets once rode at anchor and the disciples of the Savior sailed in their ships, was long ago deserted by the devotees of war and commerce, and its borders are a silent wilderness; Capernaum is a shapeless ruin; Magdala is the home of beggared Arabs; Bethsaida and Chorazin have vanished from the earth, and the "desert places" round about them where thousands of men once listened to the Savior's voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.

Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land? Palestine is no more of this work-day world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition—it is dream-land." http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3176/3176-h/3176-h.htm

When Jews made Palestine livable again, many Arabs from the surrounding areas started immigrating, just as now Muslims immigrate into Western countries, after they had destroyed their own countries by their medieval evil sharia, corruption and overpopulation.

Now, that Jews had made Israel prosperous and livable again, by hard and intelligent work, and West Bank is also going to be reclaimed from neglect by the Arabs, with Jews reclaiming fallow lands there, Muslims want to loot it and destroy Israel making claiming claims. The Arabs have over 600 times more territory than the tiny Israel, and let "Palestinians" from the West Bank move there and live among their Arab brothers who claim to love them...

They West Bank and Israeli Arabs who do not like it in Israel, can be given wast lands and properties that Arabian Jews had to leave in Arab lands when they were forced to leave those Arab countries in which they lived for many centuries including 150,000 Iraqi Jews who were descendents of Babylonian Jews from 6th century BC, 13 centuries before Islam rose its ugly head and started its imperial ruthless conquest. Those Arabian Jews now comprise over 50 % of the Jewish population of Israel and thus this would be a just completion of the Partition of Palestine in 1922 when kingdom of Jordan was created in East Palestine. Israel cannot afford another terrorist state on its West in addition to Gaza, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, which are all taken over by the Islamists of Muslim Brotherhood who wants to destroy it. NEVER AGAIN!
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Friday May 24, 2013, 1:55 pm
Israel is a beacon of light and intellect in a area dominated by chaos, cruelty and oppression. Let this ruling be the begining of a rational approach to governing the Middle East instead of the debate being dominated by the hysteria of claims and counterclaims by rogue states and deluded religious fanatics.
 

Gene Jacobson (286)
Friday May 24, 2013, 3:25 pm
I'm not sure what this means, Allan, "Support from the French...incredible.
Gene- I would like to think the French made the right decision, instead of :Well, at least they aren't Muslims".

I do think they made the right decision, for the right reasons. The rest of what I said was more of an aside than a comment on the decision itself. I've seen the streets of Paris alight not by the streetlights but the burning cars rampaging muslim young men are so fond of burning. The French have bent over backwards for that community (not a new thing for the French, sorry, that was snarky) and they are repaid with riots whenever some imam says something untoward happened. That's what I meant by them rethinking their support of Islamic immigrants who do not appreciate the hand up but intend instead to bring down French society, which is the stated objective of their religion for the world. The hoo hah over the hijab is part of that. We, here in the US, have seen some of that, Muslim women who wish to drive but will not remove their veils for the license photo. Well, then they don't get a license. A police officer has to be able to compare the photo on the license to the face behind the wheel. Simple as that. But Muslims here have kicked up a fuss about it, what will happen if they become 15% of our population? Will CAIR tell them to follow our customs and laws? I kind of doubt that since CAIR is silent on everything except the smallest of slights toward Islam. They must have a thousand employees combing every paper in the country because they never miss one perceived slight, yet are silent on atrocities around the world. Like I said, if you invite the wolf in for a meal, and the wolf considers YOU the meal, you can scarcely be surprised. Or outraged, the time for that will have passed. We value our freedom, our diversity, but we MUST insist any immigrant population do the same or what is happening in Europe, happens here. Sooner than you may think.
 

Helen Porter (39)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 1:12 am
I am grateful.

America and Israel are in my prayers daily and even more often.

It is good to find Israel validated.
 

Vlasta M (7)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 7:55 am
Whenever Muslims reach about 10% of the population, they start causing trouble, since Islam teaches violence, submission and hatred of non-Muslims. France had reached this point by allowing Muslim immigrants to come to France and start teachings hatred of the non-Muslims in their mosques. Read Koran to see for yourself (www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf‎)

Another prominent feature of Islam is that it urges Muslims to lie in order to promote this supremacist ideology of hate (Taqiyya - Islamic Principle of Lying www.islam-watch.org/.../taqiyya-islamic-principle-lying-for-allah.htm‎) The so called "moderate" Muslims who live in Western countries and enjoy freedom of speech, lie about the true nature of their religion, which is INCOMPATIBLE with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and thus MUST REFORM or be banned just like Nazism, was after WWII.

Their delusional Jew hatre, which is disguised as "defending poor Palestinians from the Zionists" is rampant among Muslims but ignored by the Western media. Such delusional Jew hatred led to WWII and Holocaust, which Muslims would commit in the Middle East if they could, although they deny that Holocaust ever happens in Europe...

Abbas, Ahmadinejad and other Muslim leaders were disciples of the Nazi, Amin al Husseini, who spend WWII in Berlin egging Hitler on to hurry up with the extermination of the Jews in Europe and come to exterminate them in the Arab countries. This is all taught by Koranic verses.(www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf‎) and prefected in Nazi Germany by Mufti of Jerusalem whom the British and french let go without trial for his crimes in 1946 because of Muslim oil. It is Islam and OIL stupid!
 

bob m (32)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 7:58 am

Vlasta: how wonderfully written this piece about the lands of yesteryear and now ....especially I reflect on the words "Bethlehem and Bethany having nothing about them to remind us of the high honour of the Saviors' presence".... I remember how it is written that nothing about Him was anything but lowly in appearance that we should esteem Him as anyone of any value..
But when He returns... Oh Glorious day ....Glory....
 

Vlasta M (7)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 8:07 am
When Germany lost the war which Nazis had started, `16 millions of Germans were foircebly moved from many European countries where they lived for centuries and came to Germany where they were integrated into German society. When India was partitioned in 1948, 2 millions of Muslims left India and exchanged places with 2 millions of Hindus who left Pakistan. There are almost no Hindu now in Pakistan (which had become ruled by sharia) but there are 150 millions of Muslims in India, who every once in a while cause troubles, especially when they illegal immigrate from Bangladesh, which is also being threatened by Islamists.

When Muslims lost the war in 1948 in which they tried to annihilate new formed Israel, over one million of Jews had to flee Arab countries, and some 600,000 Arab Muslims left Israel because they were promissed a victory of the Muslim armies and loot after killing Jews who had created livable country there starting in 19th century. the surounding Arab states againt tried to annihilate Israel in 1956, 1967, and 1973 and since they have been waring a stealth jihad in world media and in terrorist activities.

As long as Islam is teachings hate of non-Muslims and particularly Jews, Muslims will NOT allow Israel to live in peace and continue to build their country in which 23% of Israelis are Muslims who are often a fifth column because they cannot be trusted to stand by Israel if attacked. They are taught in their mosques to hate the Jews. 65% if Koran is hateful to non-Muslims, children and women and promote misogyny, pedophilia, polygamy, dhimmitude and murder for Allahu Akbar...not suitable for human consumption and good life.
 

Rahman Qureshi (76)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 11:27 am
It was never an issue of Israel's legitimate right to the land, both legally and Biblically, instead it was always an issue of the Muslim world wanting to destroy Jews because the Qur'an and Sunna mandate hatred of and destruction of Jews.

I hope this is another card falling in the house of cards that Muslim intolerance is based on: Islam.
 

Billie C (2)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 2:51 pm
i'm glad somebody woke up.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 6:15 am
Interesting that a French Court would rule that way, but I'm not certain what the impact will be.
 
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