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Society & Culture  (tags: Rapid City, South Dakota, Lakota, American Horse School, Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Allen, children, drunken men, insults, racism, beer )

Evelyn
- 1337 days ago - change.org
This isn't good enough. Only 7 signatures calling for justice for 57 youngsters who were insulted and had beer poured over them, along with insults, when they attended a match - a prize for the best students ? And the Judge fined only one man - $500



   

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Past Member (0)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 6:58 am
Disgusting behavior. S+S-thx Evelyn
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:01 am
Read more at
Nearly No Consequences For Drunk Executives Who Poured Beer On Native American Children's Heads


and see the protest Rapid City’s Stand Strong Against Racism rally held on Tuesday, February 10 (top of page)

I can't believe that there were only 6 signatures on the petition when I found it ...

And I only found ONE petition about this shaemful situation ...
 

Animae C (507)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:01 am

Well done Evelyn, you found the petition!!!

SIGNED
9 supporters
91 needed to reach 100
 

Frans Badenhorst (582)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:12 am
Now take the next step to victory
You’re one of 9 people to sign this petition. Now help find 91 more people to reach the goal.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:14 am
Signed and shared on facebook and twittersphere
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:30 am
Now doubled to 12 signatures ... in half an hour .... Keep it going, share on!!!
 

Ben O (135)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:51 am
Signed. -I wonder how many petitions I've signed today...? I also wonder; -What if a million members would Care2 make a difference...?
 

Lona G (66)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:55 am
S&N Thank you for finding and posting this petition, Evelyn.
 

Sue H (7)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 8:21 am
Noted and signed, #15.
 

elaine conway (75)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 8:56 am
signed
 

Sonia M (59)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 10:10 am
S&N;thanks for sharing
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 10:36 am
80 more signers needed. Thanks Evelyn. Noted & signed.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 10:38 am
Thanks Evelyn, now at 19, still poor.. I don't really believe that a petition or any other action would change much, the people from the Rez are the "Palestinians" witth little to no legal protection for the harrassment and injustice they have to deal with on a daily level. I also doubt that this beer attack would be considered a "racist hate crime", no chance. Nobody got hurt in a legal sense. As Carrie's article says, charges for disorderly conduct and a $500 fine is all we're going to see, at best.
 

Beryl L (78)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:28 am
Thanks Evelyn..I could not find the petition the first time I read this. Now I signed it. Thanks for that.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:32 am
Signed, noted, and tweeted. Thank you Evelyn!
 

MmAway M (522)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:36 am
Thank you Evelyn
Think I'm 24 or 25.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:38 am

Thanks so much, Evelyn, to find this petition which I gladly and still full of anger signed.

This is the same America which "rewards" teenagers with 4.5 Mio $ but only if you have the right colour of the skin and the right religion.

Otherwise it’s still the same good old colonial mentality – certain things obviously will never change! But at least the USA “educates” all other countries what … democracy and human rights … should entail. I would say: practice what you preach and then go and raid other countries bringing “freedom and democracy” on the wings of B52’s.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:47 am

Having read the report you provided the link for, Evelyn, I'm even angrier! Here, this explains it all:

"For those unfamiliar with the story–a group of Rush onlookers in VIP seating targeted 57 Native children from the American Horse school with a stream of blatant racism on January 24."

and

"“They keep telling us to be patient. Why is it always us being patient when a white man does something?” commented a Lakota man at the meeting." This is very much in line with Angelika's comment further up.

Why is it that "we" (the white colonialists) always ask those we oppress to be patient? To give up more and more of their rights while we further subjugate, oppress and humiliate them while at the same time continue to steal their land and destroy their bare livelihood. worse yet, we have the audacity to call them "terrorists" if they don't comply and lay belly down while we rob them off everything we left them with during the first assault?!?!?!
 

Catrin Schuetz-Kroehler (48)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:53 am
Petition signed.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 12:31 pm
This petition sat at 6 supporters since 5 February
;>(

C2NN members come in - and 20 more have signed in 5 hours ....
SHARE IT ON

LET THESE KIDS KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT ALONE
NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TREAT THEM LIKE THIS
 

fahad Al fahad (140)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 12:35 pm

S&N;thanks for sharing :)
 

divergent revolution (309)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 12:36 pm
shared..
 

JL A (281)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 12:44 pm
s&n; says 27 now. Thanks for posting Evelyn and for the heads up Angie
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 12:50 pm
I was #28.
 

Joanne D (37)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 1:11 pm
I think I must have been #30. "I'm signing because tar and feathers for these "executives" is no longer a viable option." I might have added "being run out of town on a rail" but after all, there's only so much space to comment.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 1:54 pm
done
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 2:23 pm
LOL, love your text Joanne!
 

Artur B (125)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 2:46 pm
gemacht
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 3:43 pm
You’re one of 39 people to sign this petition. SSN
 

wendy k (162)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 4:37 pm
42nd signer, I know what I would like to pour on the "adults" heads, followed by the can ,
how dare they !!!!! grrrrrrr thanks Evelyn, and thanks for sharing Divergent xxxxxxxxx
 

wendy k (162)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 4:39 pm
sorry noted signed and shared, forgot to add that in my temper xxxxxxx
 

Carol R (11)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 4:48 pm
Had already signed and shared on FB, thanks Evelyn.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 5:29 pm
RAPID CITY—An assault on a group of Lakota children from the Pine Ridge Reservation has gone virtually unnoticed by the local media in Rapid City.

Very racist area and this or worse has gone on for many years. Non native men go onto the Rez and beat and rape native women with impunity. Men have been found murdered or seen being murdered and nothing is done about it.

I signed the petition and I'm glad this is being done, however a media blackout concerning Indians, what else is new I'm afraid.
 

Aaron Bouchard (158)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 5:54 pm
signed and noted thanks
 

Allen O (197)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 6:26 pm
Thanks Evelyn - Signed and noted
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 6:33 pm
49 signatures. Signed. Thank you for posting this petition, Evelyn.

Petitioning THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Protect Our Children and Investigate a hate crime committed in Rapid City toward Native American children.

The owner of the VIP suite, Tom Helen, was also contacted and stated that the men involved in the incident were not employees of his as the owner of the local Budweiser tag, nor were they known to him. It is believed that the men who were involved in the assault were guests of those Helen had authorized to use the suite.
There has been no response from the City of Rapid City’s Mayor’s office.
LRI is committed to following all developments on this story. Follow the updates at www.lastrealindians.com.

We need to put pressure on those in law enforcement as well as the mayor of Rapid City to get them to move on this case and bring the perpetrators of this criminal hate crime to justice now and not let them get away with it. These are innocent children who were out on a trip as a reward who didn't deserve to be subjected to verbal hate and physical hate by having beer thrown on them and and told to go back to the rez.

You can help us get justice for the children by signing this petition. Thank you so much!
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 6:46 pm
Racist Attack Against Natives at Hockey Game

January 28, 2015 lakotalaw 10 Comments


Rapid City, SD— What should have been a fun evening for the students and staff of American Horse School (K-8) turned into a nightmare.

The 57 students and staff memebers of AHS’s 21st Century Club went to a Rush Hockey game at the Rush Civic Center in Rapid City on January 24th. During the third quarter of the game, a group of about 15 white males who were sitting in a VIP suite decided to harass, insult, and spray beer on the students and staff.

The reason for the attack: the students and staff members were Native American.

The men yelled “Go back to the Rez!” and hurled racial slurs at the group. While this incident is appalling, it is sadly not the only case of racism against Native Americans in South Dakota.

https://lakotalawproject.wordpress.com/2015/01/28/racist-attack-against-natives-at-hockey-game/
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 7:56 pm
I signed, Thanks Evelyn for posting, Angie for the forward!
 

Laurie H (818)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 8:27 pm
DISGUSTING Degenerates, makes me so angry & sad for these precious children!!!!!!!!! PURE SHAME!!!! These aren't men of any structure, morals or values-- they should be Severely Punished---no gentle skimpy fine---not good enough!!!! ~~Will Share & Thank you Evelyn, Noted & Signed of course as well~~
 

Laurie H (818)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 8:29 pm
PS= Many Thank You's Angelika, for sending!!!!~
 

Kathryn M (108)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 8:29 pm
Glad to note and sign. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
 

Fran F (116)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 10:29 pm
Signed and noted with
54 supporters
46 needed to reach 100
~ Thank you, Evelyn!
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:02 pm
So signed
 

Sherri G (128)
Friday July 24, 2015, 12:37 am
Cowards like this deserve to be tagged with a felony and do some prison time.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday July 24, 2015, 1:14 am

Dandelion - what you report on makes me even angrier!

"Very racist area and this or worse has gone on for many years. Non native men go onto the Rez and beat and rape native women with impunity. Men have been found murdered or seen being murdered and nothing is done about it."

Are these "men" also VIPs or does the law enforcement show leniency - I don't want to use the word complicity yet - just because they're Native Americans? Is it that Native Indians - especially women - are "easy prey" and are not protected in any way from law enforcement authority? Would these "VIPs" do the same to a white woman having a chance? And would they equally easy get off the hook ... because of their "VIP" status?

I am absolutely horrified reading these and similar stories; also the stories about the treatment of black people who are in PC language called "Afro-American" are just shocking. Honestly - I'd prefer the word "Negro" be used BUT (instead of euphemisms) the black people as well as the Native Indian be treated the way they deserve it: equal and correct!

Goodness me - there is so much rotting under the surface in America; this nation has changed a lot. Or maybe I was just not so aware in younger years when I used to be very often in the States being too busy with my job?


 

Shirley S (187)
Friday July 24, 2015, 2:15 am
N&S in full support to remedy this disgusting display against children.
 

Giana Peranio - Paz (398)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:40 am
Noted and signed, thanks Eleonora.
 

Edwin M (346)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:51 am
Signed, thank you Evelyn and thank you Angelika for the forward
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:58 am
Signed & Noted, Thank you
 

ANA MARIJA R (200)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:02 am
Done with 60 supporters
40 needed to reach 100
noted...
Thank you, Evelyn!
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:07 am
Signed.
 

Timothy W (262)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:42 am
Signed
For some reason I had trouble reaching the petition after reading the story about this. I wonder if that could have to do with why the signatures are so low. This is too important to be missed by good intentioned people.
 

Nita L (127)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:15 am
I signed, tweeted and put it on Facebook. I hope these vile and disgusting "people" are punished and at least never allowed back in that arena. 35 needed to reach 100. Thank you Evelyn for finding and posting this story.
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:39 am
S&N, Thanks
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:42 am
S&N, Thanks
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:47 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Evelyn.
 

Mary T (356)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:58 am
thank you Evelyn - signed, noted and shared
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:54 am
done
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Friday July 24, 2015, 7:45 am
Signed
 

pam w (139)
Friday July 24, 2015, 7:48 am
Done...thanks, Evelyn.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 8:09 am
This is just disgusting signed and shared and shared some more
 

. (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 8:25 am
Thanks Hendricka for alerting me and to Evelyn,
Up to 80 signatures now and have shared with my change.org friends
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Friday July 24, 2015, 8:28 am
Outrageously shocking
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 8:54 am
Noted and Signed.
Evelyn I had already signed yours.
 

divergent revolution (309)
Friday July 24, 2015, 9:03 am
I believe Avaaz also has a petition..a group member said..
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 9:28 am
signed
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 24, 2015, 10:21 am
Note to Nita L

It was Carrie who posted the story about this ... which got me really mad
And even madder when I saw that there was only one petition that I could find, and the people who opened it obviously just had no idea how to get the petition out into any networks ...

Because they had only managed to reach 6 supporters ... by 5 February ...

Care2 is showing what can be done ... 86 more signatures in 24 hours, Almost reached their very very low target (92 signatures right now)!!

This is the side of Care2 that I love!!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 24, 2015, 10:48 am
Wondering what one can do ...

Those on FB - maybe you could go to the American Horse School, Pine Ridge Reservation FB page and leave a message of support and concern?

According to the school's website, they are selling anti-racism T-shirts Shopping and Dontations: We have our own American Horse School Apparels Store- Follow this Link!! Proceeds support our school. (American School Staff helped design a new T-Shirt to support our school's stand against Racism.

Sizes range from Youth Small through Youth Large for $15.00, Adult Small through Adult Large for $20.00 and Adult Extra Large through Extra-Extra Large for $25.00. T-Shirts can be picked up at the school or can be ordered by personal check using the address below. Ordered shirts incur a $5.00 shipping and handling fee. All proceeds support our school activities. Thanks for your support.)
Maybe buying their T-shirts would help their school income?

Or send a message to the school ahschool@goldenwest.net
 

Mari D (81)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:24 am
signed
 

Elizabeth M (65)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:28 am
Noted, signed and shared for these children. Thank you for the petition Evelyn.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:30 am

You people on this thread just rock - Stars to everybody. Let's make this extra effort to see that we reach the 100 signature - this is so modest we should have achieved this already!!

All we need are THREE more signatures - c'mon ... who has a good friend who hasn't signed?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:44 am

Evelyn - did I tell you lately that you're a great lady and I'm happy and proud to be one of your friends?!!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:52 am
Signed and noted.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday July 24, 2015, 12:48 pm
Is unfortunately all too true Eleonora.
The rape and death of Leslie Ironroad

The second group consisted of three Native women and one white woman, ages 16-50, living in Rapid City, South Dakota.

“We don’t talk about it,” says one participant who wished to remain anonymous. “It’s an everyday thing for Native women, it’s just normal. You just learn to put up with it, I guess, but we shouldn’t have to.”

One participant, a rape survivor, said that street harassment is triggering for her.

“It brings back memories…it causes me to drink. I get mad when I think about it.” One in three Native women are survivors of rape and sexual assault.

One participant, a Native woman in her late 20s, mentioned a recent event where, as she walked along the city’s bike path — a common way to traverse through the city — a group of Native men surrounded her. One grabbed her. “I had to fight him off me, I didn’t have a cell phone or anything and I just ran off and they kept hollering. ‘Hey get over here, do you want to f***?’” she said. “It is scary in Rapid on the streets, especially at night.”

Both groups repeated that racism plays a big part in the harassment they experience, and that racial harassment often overshadows or goes hand-in-hand with sexual harassment.

“We deal with racism more than sexual harassment here…And for men, the racism isn’t as hidden, it’s not as subtle as it is for women, but we [women] sense it more and are more hurt by it. We can read the body language,” says Dawn.
What Takes Place In Rapid City

For American Indian women, however, these facts are old news—really old news. It has been open season on American Indian women in this country for more than 200 years.

Indian women have been viewed as legitimate and deserving targets for sexual violence since the earliest days of colonialization, according to researchers such as Sarah Deer, professor at the William Mitchell College of Law.

Raping Indian women has essentially been a right of conquest, notes Deer, a Muscogee Creek who served as a consultant on the “Maze of Injustice” report.
Silent No More

Raymond Yellow Thunder, a dignified older man, was harassed, beaten, tortured and humiliated before a crowd at an American Legion Dance and finally murdered in Gordon, Nebraska. He was killed by four white men who had bragged earlier that evening about beating an Indian. Two brothers convicted of manslaughter were given light sentences.

And it just goes on and on and on........

Native American societies were a matriarchal society and respect for women was engrained until colonialism and assimilation. The Boarding Schools removed all the children from their Indian parents and kept them away from those parents for years. They were so far away that the parents couldn't go to see them and most of the children only got to go home for the summers, and some not even then. Many children were removed at age 4 and not returned until age 16.

The Boarding Schools were brutal and the children were seldom shown any kindness, hence when they grew up the returned to the Reservation as broken people. They were still Indian so didn't fit into White man's towns and yet they didn't know how to be "Indian" either as they had been removed. Many took to drinking and drugs and when they had children they had no knowledge how to raise these children with love. All they got at school was beatings and told they were worthless. Is it any reason why they in turn hurt their own children, it's been a cultural genocide.

The Elders and some of the youth are trying very hard against great odds to bring back their traditions, their ways, their language, their ceremonies, their dance, and their wholeness.....but it is going to take a long time to shake this legacy. Meanwhile, many of the non natives still abuse them. It is HARD being an Indian in certain places of the USA.

 

divergent revolution (309)
Friday July 24, 2015, 12:51 pm
signed at 110..way 2go!
 

divergent revolution (309)
Friday July 24, 2015, 12:52 pm
Dandelion..s.dakota still keeps boarding at menta institutions
they kidnap STILL..
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Friday July 24, 2015, 1:12 pm
Thank you Dandelion for the additional links to equally horrific stories. The injustices and horrors just seem to go on and on. Like you, I believe nothing will get better until and unless we all learn what is happening to those not in power.
 

donald Baumgartner (6)
Friday July 24, 2015, 1:15 pm
Signed!!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday July 24, 2015, 2:47 pm

WOW- we have right now 127 signatures! Keep going, please!!!
 

Marian Beth B (58)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:02 pm
I am thoroughly appalled, disgusted, and infuriated that this is allowed to continue in this country! I am so embarrassed! We must keep signing and sharing! For ANYONE to be treated this way is inexcusable. And CHILDREN?!
 

Victoria P (109)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:04 pm
Signed with thanks
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:04 pm
Signed & noted. Thank you, Evelyn.
 

Marian Beth B (58)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:06 pm
Got so incensed that I forgot to say: signed, shared on FB, and noted. Thank you for letting us know!
 

Anne F (17)
Friday July 24, 2015, 3:13 pm
shine the spotlight of publicity and work towards civility
 

Maryann S (112)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:31 pm
Signed, noted & shared.
 

Sara G (104)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:35 pm
Signed and noted. Thanks
 

Gisela Gama (60)
Friday July 24, 2015, 4:46 pm
Signed and tweeted with my heart broken ... thank you
 

aj E (164)
Friday July 24, 2015, 5:04 pm
s&n
 

. (0)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:24 pm
S&N. Thanks, Everlyn.
 

sylvie C (46)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:28 pm
Signed!
 

Glennis W (393)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:47 pm
Noted, signed and shared. Just so deplorable, racist bastards. I hate racism everyone id the same no matter their race or religion, Worked on an aboriginal settlement for 2 years and they were wonderful people to work with, better then some of the white mongerals I have worked with over my years, Thank you for sharing Everlyn.
 

Glennis W (393)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:56 pm
Noted signed and shared, Treating children like this is non excusable, this should not be happening in this era, so shocking and sickening. Thank you for sharing Everlyn.
 

Liliana Garcia (203)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:57 pm
Signed with an unpleasant comment directed at the agressors1
 

Jeff Creech (64)
Friday July 24, 2015, 7:12 pm
Noted and Signed.
It's like some people will never grow up. There's so much racism in the world and right here in the USA. Old unsettled hatred from white supremacist Ass-holes who get away with all kinds of hateful crimes because the entire establishment is up to their necks in it. This incident occurred in January and this is the first time I've heard of it, because racism against American Indians is still just swept under the rug.
 

Glennis W (393)
Friday July 24, 2015, 7:35 pm
Noted, signed and share. It is a shame to see so much racism today, what peeves me off are the ones that are nice to people when they are talking face to face and then stab them in the back as soon as they are gone, racist bastards. these poor kids will live with this forever, just so hurtful and cruel, Racism is vile in Australia sad to say. Thank you for sharing Evelyn.
 

Laurie-Ann O'Connor (52)
Friday July 24, 2015, 8:40 pm
Noted, signed, and soon to be shared. Reprehensible! Thanks for posting.
 

Bonnie Lynn M (1)
Friday July 24, 2015, 9:30 pm
Petition signed. Thank you
 

Heidi Aubrey (4)
Friday July 24, 2015, 10:04 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Elizabeth W (6)
Friday July 24, 2015, 10:23 pm
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from people who call themselves "adults". This needs to stop now. S&N.
 

Inge B (202)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:24 pm
Signed.

Love
 

Patricia E G (52)
Friday July 24, 2015, 11:48 pm
Count me in
I have signed this petition
Thank you Evelyn
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 12:17 am
You guys all ROCK!!
174 supporters of the petition now!!!!!

And I hope that the school Principal shares all your comments, here and on Carrie's post, with her students, so that they know that many people DON'T think that such behaviour towards them doesn't matter!!
 

Sandra Ferri (114)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 12:30 am
N&S TY Evelyn
 

Adrienne L (9)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 12:37 am
Thanks
 

Vikram S (41)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 2:15 am
Thanks for sharing. Noted.
 

Caroline d (139)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 4:38 am
Signed and Noted.
Thanks, Evelyn.
Blessings.
 

Roro l (0)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 4:39 am
Thanks
 

Unnikrishnan Sasidharan (44)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 5:13 am
S+N
 

Ben O (135)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 5:18 am
-What if a million (out of 31 million) members would Care2 make a a difference...?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 5:53 am

S U P E R ... I wish I could send each one of you an entire galaxy of Stars *********************************** :-)!!

Ben - you're idea is great and I'd be very happy already if we could get some 5'000 or 10'000 together. These are the moments when I doubt the # of members on C2 ... or maybe they haven't yet discovered that it is "CARE2/too" ;-).

I'm simply slap happy seeing these numbers and they keep coming - right now it stands at 190!!
 

Sarah Dyson (139)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 7:43 am
Noted, signed & shared. >>>>>Still only 196>>>>> Let's get to ****200**** then increase the signatures by 500 more. It is a shame what has been done to our Native Americans in the earlier years during their resettlement. Now we are still showing mistreatment to the children. What else can you expect when nothing is sacred anymore. If people kill defenseless animals what can we expect them to do to other humans. We all need to search within ourselves and find the root problem for these atrocities. HUGS TO ALL WHO CARE FROM TEXAS
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 8:36 am
Signed and noted
I'm having a hard time comprehending how a group of children could be abused in a public place before a crowd of people and no one was immediately arrested. /teardrop
 

Mary Jane R (35)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 8:49 am
Simply ridiculous! Even more ridiculous is the fact that apparently nobody did anything showing that they agreed or that they looked the other way... which is worse? Hard to tell!
 

Michael Mattson (137)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:05 am
Noted, Signed and Tweeted. As a former South Dakota resident, I'm completely embarrassed by these racists! There should be no tolerance for this behavior! Make an example of these "men" and send them to prison for a long time. Non-violent drug offenders shouldn't be in prison, but these idiots should be!!!! Thank you, Evelyn!
 

Michael Mattson (137)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:07 am
Also, I was #200 on the petition. Let's get way more signature!!!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:24 am
Evelyn - There is a way of drawing this to the attention of Care2 and making this a Care2 Petition that I think would make their Petition for the Day!
I don't know the mechanics of it but I think this should be done.
Then there will be 2 Petitions, all the better, C2 members could sign both.
 

Leanne B (46)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:30 am
So signed!
 

Ingrid A (524)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 10:31 am
Done
 

Tina F (113)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 11:07 am
Absolutely signed and noted! It is tragical that there is always one who thinks he is more worth than the other. Men over women! White over black! Head over hand! No one of us is anything without the other!
 

Tierney G (381)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 12:39 pm
Signed and shared on FB. Thank you. I can't believe what a wreck the human race is. Of all the animal species we are the absolute worst.
 

Lynn S (235)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:04 pm
Signed. Now at 213 but this is something that should have thousands signing!

Getting justice for First Nations peoples is like pulling teeth! In BC, we have the Highway of Tears where so many First Nations women have been raped, murdered or gone missing. There is a call for a federal enquiry into missing and murdered Aboriginal women across the country spurred on by the serial murder case of Robert William "Willie" Picton, but Harper's government doesn't think it is necessary. It is necessary! These murders and injustices cannot continue to be swept under the rug, so to speak.
 

Mike H (252)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:26 pm
Signed thank you
 

Birgit W (160)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:38 pm
Signed already. Thank you.
 

Ana Lopes (92)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:39 pm
S&N
 

Julie E (405)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:50 pm
Noted, signed and shared. Thank you Evelyn!

218 supporters 282 needed to reach 500
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 4:05 pm
Barbara - re your comment of Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:24 am
if you know how (or if ANYONE knows how!) please do go ahead ... and let us know!
 

Mike M (40)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 4:56 pm
N&S
 

Gloria H (88)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 5:08 pm
signed, put on FB.
This situation makes me spit nails and tacks. This is NOT a case of "boys will be boys"-but of grown men responsible for their actions. What are their names? I hope whatever company they represent..that the workers go on strike. We need to boycott the company. They need to be shamed.
 

Helga Ganguly (138)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 5:59 pm
It was hard finding the petition to sign. I've been here 2 days in a row just to try again.Usually it's under visit site. But since there are several articles , the search was long-and it was in Spanish,not English. If all the people who noted had signed,there wouldn't be a problem.
 

Glennis W (393)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 6:16 pm
Noted, signed and shared. Racist Bastards doing this to young girls Rot in hell you mongreals. KARMA. Thank you for sharing Evelyn.
 

Glennis W (393)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 6:18 pm
Noted signed and shared. Just hate racism, these young girls will live with this horrible ordeal for life. Thank you for sharing.
 

Evelyn Z (300)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 8:35 pm
Definitely Noted & Signed. Thanks for posting Evelyn !
 

linda newman (3877)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 8:36 pm
n&s
 

Walter F (129)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 8:59 pm
Signed
 

Christeen A (300)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:18 pm
Signed.
 

Dogan Ozkan (2)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 9:42 pm
noted and signed
 

donna m (97)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 12:35 am
thanks for sharing
 

donna m (97)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 12:36 am
signed and noted
 

Joy T (443)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 12:59 am
S. & S.!
 

Rudolf W van Daelen (3)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 3:20 am
Signed.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 3:32 am
C2NN members - you're great! The wave taking this from only 6 signatures to 251 now is thanks to what you have done and are doing!

A beautiful example of the true spirit of Care2!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 4:11 am
noted and signed.
"If I were a biddy biddy rich,
Yidle-diddle-didle-didle man."

Someone should diddle diddle the rich VIP mongrels, with a hockey stick.
 

Apolonia Pl (392)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 4:29 am
"You’re one of 253 people to sign this petition. Now help find 247 more people to reach the goal."
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 4:45 am
dobry wieczór Apolonia Pl - what a nice name, I've never heard it before I don't think. Have a nice evening.
Cheers, Al & Irena
 

Lynn Carin (367)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 5:24 am
Shameful! Feel so badly for these girls...
 

Angela K (378)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 5:28 am
Signed & shared, ty Evelyn
 

Marco Baracca (41)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 5:36 am
Off course signed #256 & shared ty Evelyne
 

Amy Thompson (132)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 7:24 am
Absolutely appalling behavior from disgusting adults!
 

Away L (76)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 7:50 am
Pitiful behaviour and similarly disgusting lack of exposure in the media.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 11:13 am
I found this report concerning the court case (on FB)
Lastrealindians
23 July at 00:04 ·

Court adjourned for the day in the ‪#‎AmericanHorse57‬ trial. The prosecutor has sent an email showing he doesn't believe that anything happened to the children, we are on our way to Rapid City Mayors office to present this matter calling for an independent prosecutor.

Lastrealindians
23 July at 00:22 ·

The children of the ‪#‎AmericanHorse57‬ have marched to the mayors office to demand an independent prosecutor after information was learned showing the prosecutor cannot effectively represent them in this prosecution on behalf of Rapid City, SD.

GRRRRRR
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 1:02 pm
noted & signed; Thank you Evelyn!

Can anybody tell me why the target is so low; this Theme is important and needs to have much more support I think!
 

Jan N (85)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 4:29 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 4:49 pm

Evelyn - I can't believe this!! Has this "prosecutor" being bought into being a voice for the VIP's??? Can't they refuse this guy for being bias? It's quite obvious where his leanings are!

Now imagine for a second if these would be white Christian kids or Jewish kids - see my link further up of July 23, 2015, 11:38 am. Does anyone think this incident would be handled so "relaxed"?

Disgusting!!
 

Kay M (347)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 6:53 pm
done.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday July 26, 2015, 10:56 pm
Sabine - when they posted this petition, they set a target of only 100! And for 5 months all they got was SIX signatures!!
It was then raised to 200, once C2NN members started to mobilise & get supporters ....

I suspect the low target is a clear reflection of the feeling that they wouldn't get support from many ... and that is why it is important to keep encouraging more people to sign.

All the more so, given the disgusting behaviour of the "prosecutor" in recent days - sending an email casting doubt on the event itself? Racist bias at the head of the Justice system there?

I feel the same way as you do, Eleonora ....
Can you imagine the uproar had these been Jewish kids????

Lakota kids deserve the same uproar when they are treated like this ... Lakota, any other Native American, black, Muslim, Hispanic, Jewish ...... ANY kid should know that such behaviour is totally unacceptable, and they should not be put through such indignity & misery.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday July 27, 2015, 12:46 am

Well Evelyn - Think for a second if black men would have done this to white kids (of any religion)? If Native Indians would have done this to white kids (of any religion)? The black men would definitely have been immediately arrested and probably been shot (as they would resist arrest). Going by what I'm reading I assume the Native Indians would have been immediately shot going by the old slogan: "only a dead Indian is a good Indian"!! I guess if Jewish kids would've been treated that way the perpetrators would be either arrested or shot, it would be in Congress, at the UN and definitely a new law would be drafted ... Isn't this what we see practically each time?

You say any kid should know that such behavior is totally unacceptable ... fully agree with you ; it's an education issue.

BUT what do we do with the adults who behave this way? This is the source of the problem here - the adults. And they as well as those who tolerate(d) this horrifying act should be held accountable and an example should be made ... I know, wishful thinking. But who knows - things can change!

PS sorry for my linguistic mistakes further up - I'm a bit in a rush these days ...
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 1:07 am
When I said " any kid should know that such behavior is totally unacceptable", I meant they should know that they are prtoected from any adults behaving this way.

But what these Lakota kids are learning is that Justice doesn't extend to them .....
A terrible, wrong lesson to teach them.

Which is why the perpetrators should all be seen to be held accountable, punished.
AND the prosecutor who takes such a biased position, too .... should be demoted, barred from the profession.

I'm still disgusted and mad!
 

Bernadette Porter (173)
Monday July 27, 2015, 3:28 am
SIGNED!!! And I would have signed this long ago if I had known about it!! The behavior of these people is intolerable!!!
 

Bernadette Porter (173)
Monday July 27, 2015, 3:46 am
If someone out there contacts the National Hockey League and its Players Association, they may be able to help with this. There are some Native North American players in the League, and professional hockey players can be very active in charitable and social causes. They're more "down-to-earth" than a lot of other pro athletes.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday July 27, 2015, 5:13 am

Evelyn - that makes the two of us ;-)

Bernadette - good idea; unfortunately I live half way around the globe. You wouldn't have a possibility through some friends or even yourself?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 5:34 am
Good idea, Bernadette!

I've left a comment on the nhlpa.com site; can't see to get one to take on the nhl.com site ... get to "I'm not a robot", but no further ....

Maybe others can also put a message there, link to the petition and to the article?
 

Bernadette Porter (173)
Monday July 27, 2015, 5:53 am
Hi Eleonora! I'm a hockey fan, but don't "personally" know any team members. I do know that a very highly regarded goalie for the Montreal Canadians is of Native North American descent. His name is Cary Price and he's their top goalie. I, myself, am fairly computer illiterate, so my usefulness is negligible. I found his Facebook page, but it was in French (although he is bilingual). If we can get a French-speaking hockey fan involved, I think it may be possible to get some attention. Cary Price is one of the best known goalies in the game right now, and one of the most skilled. He's also an animal lover, for what that may be worth. Any Canadian hockey fans out there?????
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 6:11 am
I found his page, sent a message!
Nothing to lose, anyway!!
 

Bernadette Porter (173)
Monday July 27, 2015, 6:38 am
Evelyn, I really feel that this miserable situation is a poor reflection on the game of hockey in general. That's why I think people in the NHL would be interested in trying to right a wrong like this. You rarely see hockey players involved in the kind of scandals that other pro athletes get mixed up in. If there is a way to get the details of this petition to the different teams...I think there are 30 teams in the U.S. and Canada.....
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 7:58 am
Bernadette -
I think that you are absolutely right, and the more people that contact them drawing their attention to both the article and the petition, the better ....
http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/comment-section
 

Paulinha Russell (80)
Monday July 27, 2015, 8:45 am
Signed. Thank you.
 

Carla van der Meer (648)
Monday July 27, 2015, 8:52 am
Signed and shared.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 27, 2015, 10:42 am
Evelyn - I don't actually know the details of how to get Care2 to make this the "Petition of the Day".
But, there MUST be a way. I think sometimes I'm on C2's scheiss list for what I sometimes post. So I don't think it's going to be me that does it. Somebody ELSE ought to.

Let's see, at the VERY BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, there is "Contact Us" [Care2] and "Start a Petition". One could start by making this a C2 Petition, that would be one way, but that wouldn't DIRECTLY MAKE IT C2'S PETITION OF THE DAY. So, I think the way would be "Contact Us"... C2 sometimes sponsors others' Petitions, don't they? They'd tell you the next steps... or just do it themselves!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 27, 2015, 10:59 am
How about THIS:
Get the names of the teams playing that day. Get the NAMES OF THE RACIAL HATERS. They are apparently IDENTIFIED.
Get the Hockey teams there - and maybe OTHER HOCKEY TEAMS TOO -
to BAN THE HATERS FOREVER from attending any of their games! And the GROUPS or businesses, etc., if these guys came in a group, which they probably did!!!
PUBLICLY SHAMING is a SMALL but vital, part of what should be done.
Then also, Prosecute them for Hate Crimes...
But PUBLICLY SHAMING, even if the Legal recourse is no longer possible...
Publicly Shaming BY THE HOCKEY TEAMS, the entire LEAGUE, if possible.....!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 27, 2015, 11:02 am
If the Native American Hockey Players [the sport ORIGINATED with Native Americans, didn't it?], if they are not just to be PAID GLADIATORS fighting for the AMUSEMENT of the White Folks.....!!!!!!!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 11:40 am
Barbara

I have posted the site address where anyone (and everyone) can post a comment to the National Hockey League Players Assocation .... calling their attention to the event and asking their support. (NB, this League is for North America, not just the US). It they receive 20 or 30 messages, someone will have to pay attention ...

I am just one person, far from North America ....
It is great that people are coming up with ideas of doing more ....

But why are you helpful people suggesting that I do all these things alone? Why don't some of you join this effort?

I followed the suggestion of reaching out to the hockey players ... but just one call to them won't have much effect.

I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to get the data you suggest, Barbara. I know nothing about Hockey League ...

I'm not in the US, can't just call the school to get info about the perpetrators .... I'm broke, can't make international calls for this. Why suggest that I do it?

I've suggested those that care contact the school - I've given links (Friday July 24, 2015, 10:48 am)

For those with access to FB - I've given a link for telling lastrealindians on FB of your support and your opinions .. maybe add the link to the petition & mention that it is being signed by hundreds now ...

Please - don't look to me to lead and follow up on each of your suggestions - I can't do it all on my own!
Take the lead if you have a good idea ... and share it here so that we can also support your supportive initiative
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday July 27, 2015, 2:27 pm

Evelyn, I think it's great that people come up with more ideas of how to help further this case and I also fully understand your situation! Too bad that we both are so far away from the US - I'd dedicate time to this case.

I have meantime followed your footsteps, Evelyn, and sent via their websites an email/comment:

NHL

National Hockey League Player’s Association, Comment Section

Don Fehr is the Executive Director of the NHLPA (from their website) but I couldn’t get anywhere an email address for him.

Maybe if we put up a sample email we might motivate people here to just copy-paste ;-)?

The text below is a sample based on a PM between Evelyn and me and can definitely be improved – but we have to start somewhere …

“Dear Sirs,

Are you aware of the sad story of Native American children aggressed at a hockey match in Rapid City, South Dakota?

Students, staff and chaperons from the American Horse School in Allen traveled to Rapid City on Saturday January 24 of this year to attend a Rapid City Rush game. The Rush is the local ECHL hockey team, housed at the Rushmore Plaza Civic Center.

They were at this hockey match as a prize for good school performance - and drunks in the VIP seats insulted them and poured beer on their heads. Their thrill at attending a hockey match turned into a nightmare which will leave scars for ever.

Even worse - they are being denied real justice: only one perpetrator has been punished … with a fine of $500!!

For more detailed information please refer to:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/22/3682962/lakota-57/?utm and
https://www.change.org/p/the-united-states-department-of-justice-protect-our-children-and-investigate-a-hate-crime-committed-in-rapid-city-toward-native-american-children

Is this the kind of image the NHL and its hockey players want kids to have of the hockey scene?

Can't you help them - at least by signing the petition? But maybe also by letting the school know that this is not your idea of hockey?

And maybe you also feel compelled to address the Mayor of Rapid City as well as the Law Enforcement Authority directly demanding a prompt and complete investigation into this racist hate crime?

I believe it is very important to let the authorities know that the National Hockey League doesn’t tolerate such attacks!

A concerned observer
…signature…”

It would be great if you “rocking” people would do one more effort and send out emails/comments en masse!

Have all a good week!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 27, 2015, 10:14 pm
Great ideas, Eleonora

Angie also made a suggestion in the other thread:

Angelika R.
Monday July 27, 2015, 3:21 pm
Not sure if this could be another avenue but, whoever wants to contact the journalist who covered the trial story and perhaps alert him to the petition, feel free to do so:
Contact Seth Tupper at seth.tupper@rapidcityjournal.com
It might be not all wrong to point out the world's attention and outrage, someting they may be interested to report.

I hope that people here will do this ... showing that people are watching, with great concern, could impact two good ways -
=> Tell the children that we DON'T think it is normal that these rich white yobs can behave in such a way towards them - they DO have equal rights with any other child ...
=> Tell the readers of this paper (which must include community leaders in Rapid City) that people around the US & the world are watching with horror at what appears to be white-washing of the perpetrators because they are white, and the victims are Native Americans ....

In addition, contacting the hockey-playing world could be effective
=> Bernadette believes that the hockey players are likely to be more sensitive to such wrongs than other sports stars (& the Players Association site would appear to confirm this - they have a section on community action)

BUT - to have an impact, any of these actions needs to have a number of emails &/or phone calls if they are to capture attention.

A "one-off", with one or two messages, could be written off as "a kook making a noise"

I see that the auther of the article posted by Carrie, Carimah Townes, can be reached on Twitter -
Anyone with Twitter access could also tweet her to call attention to the reactivated petition and the two discussion threads here. The link for sending her a tweet is on http://thinkprogress.org/person/ctownes/
 

Mandi T (366)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 10:20 am
Gladly Signed
 

SuSanne P (193)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 5:33 pm
“Maybe some people went through the same incident but never reported this,” continued Poor Bear, “it’s time we all stand up and speak.” Good for Poor Bear and all who follow through with this attitude! The HATRED that consumes people worldwide must stop, as the inhumanity of our so called 'civil'ization is fractured, diseased, and deplorable. What makes this worse is the fact it is children, trying to better themselves by EARNING this grand opportunity. I definitely signed and thank everyone who added additional links, and/or petitions which I will most likely sign as well!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 11:49 am
Apparently, the reporter suggested by Angie is not worth contacting. I wrote drawing his attention to the response supporting the petition ...

His reply:

“Drunk executives”? Please check your facts. It may be accurate to say the people were in an “executive suite,” but the people in the suite were not “executives” by any stretch of the imagination. They were just a mix of blue-collar and white-collar workers from a very small town who were invited by their local bar owner to attend the hockey game. The bar owner got the tickets from his beer distributor.



As anyone here would tell you, to call a bunch of bar regulars from Philip, South Dakota, “executives” is laughably inaccurate.



Seth Tupper

Enterprise reporter

Rapid City Journal

NOTE - no interest whatsoever in the 57 kids at the receiving end of these louts' behaviour.
No wonder they were able to muster much support .....
SHAME
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 1:52 pm
YES SHAME , and I am very sorry to ever have suggested that route! While he was fairly able to hide his own true feelings in his reports for the paper, this response reveals him as just another racist the way it looks to me.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 3:27 pm

Evelyn - I'm sorry but at least you got an answer ... I got ZILCH ... which doesn't seem to be a loss! What a racist. Yes - SHAME! No wonder such and similar incidents go unnoticed. Oh America ...
 

Darlene W (289)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 7:17 pm
Noted and signed--thank you and bless all who care.
 

Gudrun D (447)
Thursday July 30, 2015, 6:01 am
Signed - thank you for forwarding Shirley - thank you Evelyn
 

Barbara P (1069)
Thursday July 30, 2015, 1:04 pm
Noted, signing and sharing.... ty
 

Susan J (17)
Thursday July 30, 2015, 4:23 pm
Noted and signed.Thanks.
Now up to 294.
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Friday July 31, 2015, 12:49 pm
signed.
 

Heather Ruckman (28)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:08 pm
Signed & shared !
 

Gina Caracci (219)
Sunday August 23, 2015, 6:53 pm
S&N
 

foteini CHORMPOU (23)
Monday January 4, 2016, 4:34 pm
ONLY 320 Supporters out of 500! Supporters should be thousands....:(
 

Animae C (507)
Wednesday February 3, 2016, 9:14 am
Flagged both spammers!
 

Animae C (507)
Wednesday February 3, 2016, 5:01 pm
FLAGGED SPAMMERS AGAIN
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday February 3, 2016, 10:45 pm
Thanks, AniMae
I don't know why the Illuminati keep coming here ...
Nor why Care2 doesn't clean out the spam that I've kept flagging!

At least they've cleaned most now - but there are still a few left. Maybe your flagging helped - they seem to ignore mine (& I'm tired of flagging the same over and over again here)
 

Helga Ganguly (138)
Saturday February 13, 2016, 3:09 pm
Dr. Jaja-wow.How stupid do they think we are?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday February 13, 2016, 10:44 pm
Hi Helga - this old thread is still going; surprise!

I was one of those who brought in the comparison with Jewish kids and, hence, reply. We know each other too well and you should know that anger was not dictating my comment of Thursday July 23, 2015, 11:38 am nor was it envy or anti-Judaism.

It was rather "discomfort" and high irritation that on one hand a few kids (with the right colour and right religion as I said) do get 4.500.000 $ awarded because of some slurs sometime in the past ... while a whole group of children don't even get a proper investigation leave alone any compensation/recognition for what happened to them in full view of the public!!

THAT's the point and it keeps repeating itself time and again. There's nothing wrong in pointing out such blatant injustice and bias towards one group of citizens - or is there?!

Have a great day and Happy Valentine!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday February 14, 2016, 1:37 am
Racism is wrong, whoever it is against - and I'd like to see these Lakota kids treated with the same great attention as some others ... I don't like discrimination in who can defend against racism effectively - it makes me very uncomfortable. Fully agree with Eleonora
 

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