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Kazuo Ishiguro on His Fears for Britain After Brexit


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Evelyn
- 959 days ago - next.ft.com
Did the UK vote for xenophobia? The acclaimed novelist argues that a different referendum is the only way to find out. We need a second referendum - not to replay the first, but to define the mandate that comes out of last week's unfocused result.



   

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Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 8:36 am
I empathise, share what he says in the first paragraph:
"Since last Friday I have been angry. I began by feeling angry towards those who voted Leave, all those who campaigned on that side. Then I felt even more anger towards David Cameron for allowing such a vastly complex, far-reaching, destiny-shaping decision to be made, not through our time-honoured processes of parliamentary democracy, but in a referendum few had demanded, and whose terms and rules (Minimum turnout? Required margin for victory?) had not been debated, so effectively didn’t exist. Angry that one of the few genuine success stories of modern history — the transforming of Europe from a slaughterhouse of total war and totalitarian regimes to a much-envied region of liberal democracies living in near-borderless friendship — should now be so profoundly undermined by such a myopic process as took place in Britain last week. I am angry that the UK is now very likely to cease to exist, only two years after the Scottish referendum seemed to secure its future."

I am far from sure that his basic assumption - that the referendum result actually carries the weight of law - is correct.

A number of constitutional lawyers are presenting coherent articles why this is NOT the case.
A vast number of people have gathered in London for "March for Europe"
Well over 4 million signatures have been put on a government site: Petition EU Referendum Rules Triggering a 2nd EU Referendum (A petition actually created by a Brexit supporter, based on Farage's call for this when the "Leave" camp thought they would lose! still active & numbers slowly climbing ) - and the map of signatures shows country-wide coverage, with few constituencies outside Scotland where there are less than 3000 signatures (Are the Scots not signing because they've decided separation from England & their own membership of Europe?)

The country's leaders are scrambling around - wanting somebody ELSE to stick their head out and pronounce "what is next is ..." (whether this is that 'the referendum is advisory but, after careful consideration, the price of Brexit is too high for Great Britain so the advice won't be taken' - or 'The people have spoken. We must act.")

And this isn't surprising, for the pro-Brexit leaders appear to have absolutely no grasp on what they see as the pragmatic next steps, if Britain is to come through a Brexit without too much harm ...

In this context, in case Kazuo Ishiguro is correct - the article makes a great deal of sense.
In fact - even if the government pulled back from following the voice of a relatively small majority - his idea of a second referendum to clarify priorities could be a valuable step towards clearing the air over the polarisation of the country - and provide guidelines for the UK to push in the European Parliament
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 9:54 am
LAST and ONLY option left to keep the UK in EU. Stop Article 50 from being invoked!!

https://www.change.org/p/last-and-only-option-left-to-keep-the-uk-in-eu-stop-article-50-from-being-invoked?recruiter=557395424&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Def

Petition: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215%EF%BB%BF

Shared the article as well, Evelyn.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 12:12 pm
I'm curious to know what you make of this article, Darren!

I don't think that his "take" on the mandate/legality of the referendum vote over a Parliamentary debate & decision is correct under constitutional law - he's not a constitutional law specialist although he's a great writer! I'm not a specialist either - but I've read a number of opinions by such specialists, and there are some differences in their opinions - mostly about whether the law is absolutely clear, or whether there's interpretation needed since it appears there is nothing (even under the Referendum Act) that rules clearly on the question!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 1:01 pm
One of the (numerous) sources of opinion on the legal aspect:

UK Constitutional Law Association: Nick Barber, Tom Hickman and Jeff King: Pulling the Article 50 'Trigger': Parliament's Indispensable Role
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 3:51 pm
As that article makes clear, BREXIT isn't clear-cut, which is why I think that second petition is doing the rounds, THE FIRST ONE in my LAST POST ABOVE:

LAST and ONLY option left to keep the UK in EU. Stop Article 50 from being invoked!!

https://www.change.org/p/last-and-only-option-left-to-keep-the-uk-in-eu-stop-article-50-from-being-invoked?recruiter=557395424&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Def

This further demonstrates the lies that have been predicated by the LEAVE campaign who accused the REMAIN campaign of fear-mongering.

I've not read the original article fully, Evelyn, I'll get back to you tomorrow! Lots on and going around.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday July 3, 2016, 3:26 am
I've now read the article, I've copied what I think are the basic pieces of material worth reading and considering into that news article:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/967140289/3995860

Plus there's this last part:

The referendum result itself does not speak to the question of how the UK should leave the EU. It is up to the Government and to Parliament to ensure that the exit is managed consistently with the UK’s national interest.

Our analysis leads to the possibility that the process of extraction from the EU could be a very long one indeed, potentially even taking many years to come about. Of course, the EU Member States have made clear that they will only negotiate once the Article 50 exit provisions have been triggered and are pressing the UK to pull the trigger “as soon as possible”. It is also clear that uncertainty is itself undesirable. But uncertainty needs to be weighed against other imperatives, such as the need to comply with the UK’s constitutional requirements and the need to ensure that Brexit is effected consistently with the national interest. A quick pull of the Article 50 trigger is unlikely to be feasible under the UK’s constitutional arrangements and may well not be desirable for any UK Government or Parliament, even one committed to eventual withdrawal from the EU.

Brexit is the most important decision that has faced the United Kingdom in a generation and it has massive constitutional and economic ramifications. In our constitution, Parliament gets to make this decision, not the Prime Minister.
 

caroline lord (0)
Sunday July 3, 2016, 5:00 pm
interesting,thanks. If, in 13yrs,we couldnt stop iraq,get bliar charged & tried,or put a stop to the mass genocide of IDS, im sure we hve excellent prospects of getting a 2nd referendum.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday July 3, 2016, 11:10 pm
Difficult to stop a LIE fed by the controlling power-possessors, then fed to the masses through the mainstream Press/Media machine.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Monday July 4, 2016, 11:48 pm
❤️:-))❤️Noted...But just why are all those that were too lazy to go out to the voting booth and vote for what they wanted now complaining the loudest. People battled hard for voting rites early last century and now people have become complacent and sat at home thinking it wouldn't get up and now want another chance to vote. It doesn't work like that. We have to vote over here and still we couldn't get a government but at least we cannot complain because we all voted and if anyone didn't they will be fined.❤️
❤️ Thanking you kindly for sharing this information❤️
💕💛ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💕♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥💕Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ❤️ღ💛💕
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 12:19 am
Dawn - are you sure they were "too lazy"?

What were people to vote if they were confused by contradictory statements, inadequate information?
The quality of information provided was abominable. Fear tactics rather than facts. Only after the results did Brexit leaders start having to admit that key promised wouldn't - COULDN'T - be kept. Which is why a number of people who voted "LEAVE" have changed their mind, wish they'd voted REMAIN. (Of course, those who didn't know what to choose COULD have gone for "REMAIN" - as a position that at least wouldn't trigger monumental change ... and maybe allow time to develop better understanding of what Brexit would actually entail. But if there'd been a large win for Remain - would that have removed the occasion to study carefully the alternatives?)

In reality, even the leaders of the two campaigns don't seem to have studied thoroughly what the implications of Leave would be. Total irresponsibility. How, then, could those whose job is NOT to govern & decide for a whole country possibly grasp the full picture & give an informed, balanced opinion? Maybe many of those who didn't vote were the most honest & sensible?

What makes you think that all the people making the noise are those who did not make use of their right to vote? I can tell you for certain that this is not the case!
=> there are a large number of UK citizens who were denied a voice, yet who are potentially hard hit in case of a Brexit
=> there are people who voted Leave, based on promises & lies, who now regret their choice of vote
=> there are those who went out & voted, but who feel that the "playing field was not level" because of the way the campaigns were run

And remember - this was NOT an election, it was a consultation
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 12:52 am
I know at least two people who didn't vote. One through apathy, and another (lovely worker at the Co-Operative where I go everyday for mother's paper) whose own family suffered as an apparent result of a house acquisition by an Immigrant, through a Council Tenant law that enabled them to take control of a rented property due to demand.

I suspect there IS widespread voter apathy and disillusionment as a lot are fed a daily diet of bile through the Press/Media machine, and end up not being able to think straight.
 
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