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Tom
- 3698 days ago - thedailybeast.com
Pro-life extremists imagine a country awash in abortions, but they are much harder to procure than most people realize. The truth is that in most places in the United States abortions are technically legal, but they are often nearly impossible to obtain.



   

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Elizabeth Schauki (13)
Tuesday June 2, 2009, 3:52 pm
The article is very truthful when it says how hard it can be for some women to obtain an abortion.

I wish more people on both sides of this issue could try and talk about the situation truthfully and without stereotyping their opponents. Although I oppose abortion except in cases of rape or to save the health or life of the mother, it's terribly unfair to try and demonize doctors who perform abortions or women who choose to have them. From what I've read, the physicians genuinely believe they are providing a very necessary service for women and I simply cannot bring myself to judge harshly any woman who finds herself in the frightening position of having an unwanted pregnancy.

In the same way, I wish that more people could see that many of us who oppose abortion are just people. We really aren't all militant fundamentalists who agree with the violent tactics of a very small segment. We just hold a different outlook on the subject.

 

Nancy M (147)
Wednesday June 3, 2009, 12:33 pm
I agree with you Elizabeth. We seem to get more and more polarized on all kinds of issues. I haven't cared for the idea of the partial birth abortions that Dr. tiller was performing- until I read about the cases where he was performing it. OMG!

Truly noone is FOR abortion. It is just viewed by some of us as a necessary evil.
 

sue M (184)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 1:21 am
They can't talk Elizabeth. Psychiatry stands in the way instigating both sides of the coin so's to speak.

Dr Tiller was saving womens lives. They were in their 3rd trimester and needed the abortion to save their lives or had major complications.
When a child is born, it becomes a living person, someone who can get a social security card.
When a fetus is in the womb it cannot survive under 24 weeks by itself. I wish people would get off the idea that it is a child already but a postulate.
Do you ask when is your baby due to be born? Or how old is your child now? See the difference,
 

Elizabeth Schauki (13)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 5:29 am
In many parts of the United States, if an assailant attacks a pregnant woman and the baby she is carrying is killed, he is considered legally guilty of murder. So our society already accepts that killing an unborn child is murder. It only chooses to allow that killing when the one making the decision is the mother.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 7:34 am
I understand that to be true but I thought it was more in the third trimester. I don't understand why that is except perhaps that it then becomes NOT the womens choice. ANd having it be the womens choice is what it SHOULD be about. In other countries (CHina at least) women are forced to have abortions. So in those countries it seems that the assailant should not be guilty of murder.

And some of the "women" were 11, 12, and 13 victims of incest who had been kept at home way too long. I don't like the idea of partial birth abortion at all- until I read that. Wish I could find the article again.
 

Debra Holliday (38)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 11:09 am
We are having difficulty in understanding why you all think that our wanting to speak for the unborn who cannot speak are extremists. Yes, we are extreme in our belief that all life has right to live and should not be halted just because it is an inconvenience to someone. There really are better ways to deal with this issue.
But to be hated and called extremists in our love for all life is somewhat confusing to us.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 11:12 am
I personally don't think that someone who is against abortion is an extremist. I do think that someone who would kill an abortion doctor simply because he is an abortion doctor is an extremist.
 

Kelly Boyle (16)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 11:33 am
It is a terribly hard subject and with our Christian values and our freedom of choice to do what we want when we want, it makes a lot of conflict. I personally do find it necessary for several reasons, but those reasons can be dealt with under 12 weeks of pregnancy. Unless there are life threatening complications. We can't go back to the era of not allowing abortions, since there would be back alley abortions and loss of life to desperate women that do not want to be pregnant.
 

mary f (200)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 12:04 pm
thanks tom its a very hard subject to be objective about but its a great article and the responses are very good
 

Bette M (91)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 12:35 pm
Among a few other of my
favorite subjects this one
tops the list.

I could list a 100 pro
reasons to have an abortion.

But, I'll just write two thoughts
to follow:

I don't care if you choose
abortion. It is none of
my business or concern.

Secondly......Where on earth
is the PILL in all of this & the
many other forms of birth contril?????

Perhaps when my headache leaves
me I'll come back & write for the
thousanth time why I'm pro abortion.

Plant trees for life......
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 12:38 pm
B M, family members who are raping 12 year old girls are not concerned with whether the child is on birth control or not.
 

Bette M (91)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 1:03 pm
No kidding!!!!!
Possibility of pregnancy
is the last thing on the
mind of a male member
of a family who rapes
another.

That is a totally different
circumstance which does bring
in the abortion issue.

Abortion is a viable
option and then slam for a life
sentence the idiot who raped her.

Plant trees for life........

 

Bette M (91)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 1:41 pm
Here is a thought to ponder/consider:

There are five subjects
absolutely no one can talk
about with out near blood shed:

1. Race
2. Politics
3. Abortion
4. Religion
5. Global Warming.

And, if you really think about it
religion emcompasses & is the cause
of so many conflicting opinions & views
on abortion more than any of the
other four points listed.

Plant trees for life.......
 

Suri S (39)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 4:44 pm
I couldn`t agree more with B.M

"I don't care if you choose
abortion. It is none of
my business or concern"

Exactly , abortion is a personal choice that must only concern the person who is choosing to have it.
Abortion is a right every woman should have access to .

The thing that bothers me the most about those who pressure governments to keep abortion illegal is that their argument is based on religious beliefs and moral as opposed to a rational or scientific argument .
Unfortunately those who make the laws are also influenced by their religious or moral beliefs and that keeps us women from having the right to choose.

Another thing that has a very big influence on this subject is that we live in a patriarchal system ruled by men and men wil never understand what is it like to carry a child (or fetus) that you don`t want .
Many men , specially in developing countries still have a very primitive concept about women and think their only purpose in life is to have as many babies as possible and they don`t even care because they dont have to carry the burden of pregnancy . Also , the reason why abortion is illegal in many developing countries is because the church still has a big influence over governments an so they keep a constant pressure in order to keep abortion illegal.

Something that we should also consider is if it`s better to bring a child to this world when she / he is going to live in poverty or will be exploited by her /his parents , or sold as it often happens in poverty stricken regions .What if the soon to be parents are drug addicts or alcoholics ?? A lot of children are abused by uncaring parents or by their own mother who never wanted to have them in the first place but that had no choice because abortion is illegal .
We do have an overpopulation problem specially , again , in the developing nations.

We are living in the 21 st century and it`s about time the church and the religious fanatics start minding their own business . If a girl that chooses to have an abortion goes to hell -as many religious fanatics claim she will - then that`s her problem .


 

Catherine Turley (192)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 8:35 pm
i can't believe people think these doctors perform abortions for the money. there's a little field called cosmetic surgery that's far less hazardous to their health.
 

Lyn C (70)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 9:50 pm
Here is one of the "do not start a conversation on" topics, because it is such a volatile one. With all the stong feelings on both sides, many people won't even talk about it, unless they know that the other person believes the same way they do.

Way back when my daughters were young we used to talk about getting pregnant and all the responsibility that goes with it. I always assured them that no matter what, I would love them, but that I felt that in most cases, (relationships) there was no reason for a girl to get pregnant. It was one of the toughest talks I ever had with them, even tougher than the one where I had to tell them their father and I were breaking up.

At the time I agonized over whether I should have talked to them the way I did, but being a single mother, I felt I had a responsibility to protect them however I could. I always stressed that everyone has their own beliefs regarding pregnancy and abortion, and they should never judge anyone when it comes to this subject.

Both my girls have their own views on abortion, and we occasionally will discuss it if something comes up regarding the topic. Both of them believe it's a woman's right, although one is more against it than the other. This is a subject that, bottom line is between the woman and man involved.

We all have to decide what the right thing to do in such a emotionally charged issue as this. Personally I believe it is in the final anylsis the womans choice, and she has to live with the choice whatever it is. We can't go back to the dark ages of back alleys and hangers, or fleeing to other countries.

Perhaps I've over talked the subject but I feel so strongly that we should leave the courts law the way it is. This is coming from a Christian who doesn't honestly know what I would have done if somehow I was in that position.
Lyn

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 9:54 pm
I feel strongly about this issue, just as much as homophobia, global warming, imperialism, death penalty, animal rights, ect. I am not a religious person at all, but I am against abortion. I couldn't care less about being called liberal or conservative, I am me and I try to be as close to my beliefs of equality as possible. I think the extremists and fundamentalists taint the name pro-life. I am pro-life because I believe that life is the first right, for without it none of the others can exist. That's why I am fighting global warming, for gay rights, for animal rights, ect. I am not God, I might be wrong in what I believe in, I keep an open mind and try to be truthful to what's fair (or my sense of it). Independent cases are really hard to read, being a woman and being angered by this patriarchal society. One can't point fingers at anybody, I think everyone on both sides feel compassion and that's why this is such a hard topic. I think everyone should unite and fight for a society without abortion, or for less of it. Those of us who are against it, should do more to help women instead of demonizing. That's what a real pro-life would do. One life saved, is one precious life, and it may be as simple as offering help to a relative or a friend, stepping out of the selfish box this society promotes. About the legality of abortion, it should be left to science (including social sciences), not religion or beliefs.
 

Elizabeth Schauki (13)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 9:57 pm
Very well put, Greishi. And I agree with you. When in doubt (and there is likely to always be doubt in these gray areas), err on the side of life.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Thursday June 4, 2009, 10:21 pm
Under normal circumstances (excluding rape and incest) I don't see any reason for a girl/woman to end up with an unwanted pregnancy seeing they have all the preventive medicines/devices (including male condoms) available. I proper precautions are taken "voila" no unwanted pregnancies - no need for abortions. This is MY OWN OPINION and noone needs to agree.
 

Bobby A (4)
Friday June 5, 2009, 2:13 am
I find it sad that so many say it's a woman's choice whether she kills her unborn child or not. They give no regard to the child waiting to emerge into this world and hopefully make a difference. The woman chooses but the unborn unwanted child has no option. It is denied the right to defend itself before it gets to take its first breath of air outside of the womb. For Bible readers, which apparently are few these days (or not applying its teachings if it is being read), when Mary told her pregnant cousin of her being pregnant with the Christ child, the text says the "Babe" (not tissue, fetus, or an unwanted mass, later to be called John) leaped in Elizabeth's womb; an alive babe (or child), not some fat cell to be sucked out if she didn't want it. In very rare cases it may be needful to consider an abortion, but when you chose to do so, realize, you are aborting a child, whether 8 and a half months old or 8 and a half days old it is still a child. And making the killing of an unwanted child legal still doesn't make it right. The world has legalized lots of things that aren't right, but those are for other discussions another time. This world is filled with legalized problems. Global Warming, apparently being one of them, is further down the line on the list of things we need to fix than we realize, and I am all for slowing Global Warming.
 

Bette M (91)
Friday June 5, 2009, 5:29 am
Posted on an earlier comment
of mine I wrote there are a hundred
reasons to have an abortion.

After alot of thinking about what
I wrote I've concluded there
are as many reasons to not have an
abortion and more so how to
avoid ever getting in that
predicament in the first place.

A hundred reasons of pure
common sense to not get pregnant
in the first place.

But, even if you have sat down
with your teenybopper(s) and laid
out the options, pro & con on
sexual activity from all angles,
there will be a percentage of girls
who will instantly forget
all you said the moment she & the
love of her life feel the need
to set a cold bed on fire.

In a week or month later after the
period never shows all hell
breaks loose emotionally of what now!!

The entire situation of being
pregnant is all about the "me"
and never mind the life that
has been created.

I personally could not have an
abortion. However, why should I
be pious & try to stop another
from getting one?

There are 6.8 billion people
on this earth & 3/4th were not
planned at all. Historically all
too many were conceived in rapes
& forced sex because of cultural
beliefs ruled by men who call
the shots on who they have sex
with.

Many people have ask me over &
over what if my mother had aborted me?
Well....I sure wouldn't know who
I'm would I?
The question is a guilt tripping
tactic used by anti-abortion people.

As a solution to this social
night mare humanity now finds
its-self in teach your children
about having children. Point out
why & why not.

Point to the advantages
of waiting.

Get educated
Get smart.
Intelligence & patience
counts for something.

The world can wait for you to
have a child.

The question is.....Can you?

Plant trees for life.......

 

(0)
Friday June 5, 2009, 5:43 am
I'M PRO-CHOICE ON THIS
 

Elizabeth Schauki (13)
Friday June 5, 2009, 5:54 am
Unfortunately, Marena, much though I don't like abortions, I also do recognize that there is no form of birth control (short of abstinence) which is 100% effective. Even the Pill isn't guaranteed to work every time, no matter how carefully you take it.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 4:24 am
When I was a teenager and later a young woman, the only contraceptive available was what was "snickeringly" known as the "french letter" Yet we survived without abortions. (I am ONLY talking about my circle of friends and collegues on this one) However, when I entered the legal profession, I came across many heartbreaking instances of illegal abortions with dire results. If someone HAS to have an abortion (rape, incest, life-threatening situations) then it is most certainly safer to have a qualified doctor perform the procedure. On the other hand, if a girl/woman wants (not needs) an abortion just because it is "inconvenient" for her to have a baby at that time, than all I can say is, she should have thought about the consequences before rushing in to having unprotected sex. What I have written here, has NOTHING to do with pro-life/pro-choice, religion or whatever. Just common sense. In case anybody wonders - I REALLY WAS YOUNG ONCE UPON A TIME TOO.
 

Dee C (23)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 4:50 am
"On the other hand, if a girl/woman wants (not needs) an abortion just because it is "inconvenient" for her to have a baby at that time, than all I can say is, she should have thought about the consequences before rushing in to having unprotected sex."

There are many women who have been on birth control..and or had protected sex (condoms) Even women with their tube tied..have become pregnant..And so when these protected methods fail..Does that mean that any woman not ready or not wanting a child should not be allowed to have an abortion..That is so judgmental..

And even those who have had unprotected sex (however foolish it is) Why even should they be forced to have a child they are not ready to care for..Children are not just something we have..They will be a living human being..completely dependent on that parent..in every possible way..And I would rather see a woman have an abortion than to bring an unwanted child who will be uncared for into this world..

There are already far too many children without parents/guardians..homes..food..medical care..the most basic needs are neglected..How many deaths each years from abuse..

It should be no ones business..nor the concern of anyone other than the woman who is pregnant and the father..If one doesn't believe an abortion is right..then very simple..don't have one..but for those woman who have been in a place where it was right for "them" It is and always should remain their right to decide..safely and legally..
 

Bette M (91)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 6:53 am
One thing I've found kind of
amazing are the people who make
& push these laws/restrictions
on abortion.

Men!!!!!!

Another thing I find amazing about
one having an abortion is the
girl/woman nine times out of ten will
turn around in a years time and
deliberately get pregnant to make up
for the one they aborted.

Does this make sense?

Another false sense many girls have
is if they go ahead & have the child
they will make it somehow, someway.

Welfare?

And, the somehows & someways usually
finding the way is through a substitute
father for the child & also someone
to warm the other side of the bed at night.

This father substitute/bedmate plan to avoid
an abortion is 99% of the time a disaster.

The girl/woman has one idea & the young men
have another......Alterior motives are
rampant & none of it is in the best interests
of the child.
Young men have absolutely no interests
in another mans child as a rule.

Seventy percent of the time the child who
initially was going to be aborted now is in the
way, unwanted, abused by the pretend daddy
and in all too many cases murdered!!

Again, you want an abortion? Have one,
get one. But a better life plan is
to stay in scholl & keep your pants.
And, if you find it necessary to have
sex get on the PILL.

Finally NEVER-EVER leave your
child alone to care for your child
with a boyfriend.........

Plant trees for life........



 

Elizabeth Schauki (13)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 10:37 am
B.M., it isn't just men who are making laws against abortion and speaking out against abortion.

Many women, including female politicians, are also against legalized abortion.
 

Elderberry T (201)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 10:46 am
I think abortion should be legal. And the womans choice, decision, no one else.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 2:06 pm
I really MUST stop posting anything on care2 from now on. It's just not worth the aggrevation of having one's comments disected/misread, totally and deliberately misunderstood.
 

Bette M (91)
Saturday June 6, 2009, 2:16 pm
Marena.....Hang in there.

One thing to keep in mind
when posting: Your words
and mine will not change the
course of history nor will
anyone remember or care what
we write a hundred years from now!!

Cheer up!! :O )

Plant trees for life........
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 8, 2009, 5:15 am
Abortion IS legal and in the 3rd trimester I don't believe anyone would go through such a traumatic procedure without a reason, I am pro birthcontrol and sex education and against the murder of Dr. Tiller which is illegal!
 

Mandi T (367)
Monday June 8, 2009, 10:37 am
Women should have rights!
Tx Tom
 

Gillian M (218)
Monday June 8, 2009, 2:31 pm
Tom, you have started something here! I'm pro-life but am aware that there are certain circumstances in which abortions should be offered. One can talk about rape and incest but there are other reasons such as health or mental welfare of the mother or if the child has inadvertently been exposed to an excessive amount of X-rays. Then there is a child with no brain who would not survive once born or a twin who is sucking the life out of the other twin. I'm not saying that abortion should be the last choice of contraception but a possible tool to help in certain circumstances.

If pro-lifers are so adamant that babies shouldn't be aborted then perhaps they should offer to have the babies of those who can't cope with them. In the UK the President of Pro-Life refused to adopt them but insisted that all mothers should give birth. Perhaps if pro-life members had the courage of their convictions then perhaps more mothers may consider giving birth.

What annoys me with Pro-lifers is that they are not doing anything about supporting parents who can't cope and batter their children to death, stop guns being made, deal with gang violence - shall I continue? The impression that I get is that pro-life have personal issues and want to deal with them by controlling womens' bodies.
 

Debra Holliday (38)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 10:52 am
Hi Gillian,

So glad you are a Pro-lifer! Something I'd like you to check out before you continue the lie that pro-lifers do nothing to help the situation:

Prolife organizations:

http://www.goodsearch.com/Search.aspx?Source=toolbar&Keywords=prolife%20organizations

Care centers:

http://www.goodsearch.com/Search.aspx?Source=toolbar&Keywords=prolife%20care%20centers

I volunteer for Pregnancy Care Centers -- this link is to our local chapter:

http://www.possiblypregnant.org/canby/about_us/services.shtml

So, do not give up on Pro-lifers, and PLEASE do not continue the lies about pro-lifers (secular or religious) not doing anything to help.


Get involved if you can!!

Peace,

Debra
 

Dee C (23)
Saturday September 12, 2009, 8:31 pm
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