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Bush Opens America's Largest National Forest to Logging

Environment  (tags: conservation, environment, habitat, wildlife, protection, nature, ecosystems, forests, destruction, animals, trees, government )

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Today, the Bush administration put a "for sale" sign on trees in pristine roadless areas of the Tongass rainforest in Alaska - America's largest national forest.


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Past Member (0)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 10:08 am

SHAME, SHAME SHAME !!! on anyone who could do this.


Arielle S (313)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 10:28 am
It must be hard work to be such a total jerk....would it be rude to hope a tree falls on him?

Kim F (114)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 10:51 am
Can't type what I REALLY want to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a ........................................

Not rude Arielle :) I'll hope one does also!!!!!!

Faith M (161)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 11:10 am
everytime I turn around I am signing a petition to stop the Bush administation from invading pristine natural lands. I have seen the land rape that occurs after loggers go through- it is a horrible sight. replanting trees does not replace the old growths ability to clean carbon out of our air-but that is now the way that they appease the people- they "loggers" say that they will replant and they do with pines and other fast growing trees that do not provide the natural diversity that was there to start with. lets see if there is a way to come up with a solution to stop them shall we?

Faith M (161)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 11:13 am
The answer isIMPEACH them all for their illegal actions.join the movement- go to my page and learn about the group that teaches about the Constitution-check out my news and the stories noted for what and where.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 12:35 pm
what do you expect from a ...." ........."!!!!!!!!!!

Yvette N (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 9:14 am
greedy, greedy, greedy - what friend of W.'s gets to make $ off of this i wonder.

Jim P (3247)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 9:56 am
I can't even comment.

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:05 am
In America today
you can murder
land for private profit.
You can leave the corpse
for all to see,
and nobody calls the cops.
Paul Brooks,

The Pursuit of Wilderness,1971

PLANT TREES.........

Alf I (246)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:08 am
Every person who buys a new piece of furniture, book, paper not made from recycled, is financing the destruction of these forests. Do something yourself. Buy second-hand, make do with what you have, buy recycled. Its up to all of us to stop funding this decimation of our worlds lungs!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:14 am
Alf & Faith......Amen-Amen-Amen..................

Lord.......Can't you do something about this rat???????

Climb a tree
Go out on
A limb................Plant more.....................Trees......................

. (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:17 am
This man will not stop until he destroys everything within his reach!!!
Noted with a heavy heart.

Patricia rommers (33)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:52 am
I hope to God that this "idiot" Bush never ever get into power again, because ever since he became President-all he has ever done goes against nature and all (including humans) that lives on this beautiful planet!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:24 am
no Patsi he can not be come back as a president(neither can his father, but Cheney can run for it and I think they where looking at the jounger brother in Florida...

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:26 am

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:39 am
A and BL.......Another Bush will never get into office because of BIG BROTHER!!...

Thank heavens.......But, none of the candidates have addressed anything about environmental this or that!

All of the candidates are after money, control, power and greed taken staight from us...........Where are you Harry Truman???????

Go out
on a limb
Plant trees for your life......................

Sally R (50)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:39 am
Oh, s**t!!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:49 am

To : A. and B.L.

NO, he wont come back - but then again, HE MIGHT NOT LEAVE !!!!

Will George W. Bush Stay in Power After 2008?

George Bush Immunized Himself From Nuremberg Prior to Iraq Iran


J S (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 12:34 pm
The American Cancer/leprosy called GWBush!!

Melva H (93)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 12:44 pm
Anyone surprised? It's business as usual with Dubya. I wonder how many millions he's made by selling out the environment and species since crawling in the basement window of the WH? There will be little left of wild places, and many species will not be able to recover, by the time we are rid of him and his gang of outlaws. A lot of the damage these Destroyers have done will be permanent. He need not worry about his name being lost to History! He will go down at the top of the list in the Hall of Shame. But he will look at his bottom line.... and laugh.

Thunderr Wolf (499)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 1:00 pm
Worst president ever!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 1:00 pm
He very well may laugh, but his girls will be crying and asking why????????????????
I don't see how these girls can hold their heads up having him for a father......He is clearly off his rocker!!!!!!

Get out
on a limb
Drop seeds
Plant trees.....................

Robert D (40)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 1:03 pm
I'm sick and tired of these money hungry good for nothings on this planet. What are they trying to prove? How stupid they can be? One is stupider than the other! How do these people slip thru the cracks and become leaders? You better make the right choices come this election. This could make all the difference in the world. I hope you all do the right thing and vote with your brain. Wake Up America and get a solar renewable energy system.

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 2:18 pm

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 3:06 pm
This "man" is an abomination to the human race. How much destruction can 1 person create in a few years? I am ashamed to say I'm American because of the unexcusable things the goverment is doing under the current administration.

Brandy Huston (230)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 4:01 pm
This breaks my heart. These forests are sacred.

Brandy Huston (230)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 4:24 pm
Here is a petition to help save this forest.

Brandy Huston (230)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 4:29 pm
Sorry here is another petition for the forest too.

Chinmayee Jog (9)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 4:42 pm
How pathetic :) It's pretty reprehensible when the leader of a country will not preserve his own land and heritage. SHAME!!

serge vrabec (278)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 4:50 pm
What ALF said and tell your friends!!!

Lee D (22)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 7:21 pm
I think Nostredamus already warned about him! But no one listened!

Lee D (22)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 7:49 pm
This pissy little man called GW Bush reminds me of an Anti Christ, but I guess just one of the lesser ones, thanks to God.

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 9:49 pm
Pisses me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Candy L (473)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 9:54 pm
The republican party doesn't give a damn, about the environment

Simon Wood (207)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:05 pm
Impeach the Bush administration - you know you want to ; )

Simon Wood (207)
Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:00 pm
I signed the 2 petitions : ) Please sign them, everyone! : )

Good on you for posting the links here, Brandy D. Ramos : )

Sammantha L (126)
Monday January 28, 2008, 6:12 am
Bush is a scourge upon the face of our planet!!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Monday January 28, 2008, 7:30 am

Bush - Blair - Brown - whatever - these are only names - PUPPET NAMES.
They are controlled by the HIGHER ELITES.
Why else do you think that B*** appears so unintelligent.
Same with U.K`s Mr. Brown - he too more resembles Mr. Bean lol.

Have a read (I didnt write the following. Someone who is wide wake wrote this)

The problem is that NO election will ever change these key Elite agenda policies, all the main parties are there to implement a wicked agenda from far above them. The only differences you will see will be in the detail, whether our bins are to be green or pink or purple and how far apart should the street lights be placed or whether an increase in a tax should be 4.5% or 5.4%. You are totally wrong if you think for one minute that this agenda comes from such low levels as our main 'Political Parties' they are just the left and right arms of the same controlled body, and even that control is shifting from them, to the EU and thence to the World Govt.

Talking about how to compare Brown and Cameron as personalities is fruitless and absurd as they will both implement these major agendas while offering different 'faces' to pacify the public who have been put in boxes (Labour, Conservative, Right, Left etc by progressive mind control and manipulation. Once one 'box' gets too much support or touches a nerve with the sheeple, then THEY can quickly change to the other box and con the sheeple that all will be OK now for another 5 years etc etc.

Democracy does NOT exist, it never has done in modern times. The system was set up to keep the sheeple happy in the belief that they had some 'say' in what was going on, but they don't, certainly not in key issues. Look how livid and vicious the mainstream parties get when an outside small party starts up. They (say Labour and Conservative) even gang up together to destroy it whereas if they were real they would be attacking each other. Look how Bush's people right now are working with H. Clinton's people to brief her and her team on what they are doing and how to carry on once they take over the baton - that's all it is, a baton to fool the people. The Americans were brought up to believe that their country was a land of Freedom which it never has been. They are brought up to believe that ANYONE could become President!!! Nonsense, these are picked at early stages AND 50% of all US presidents from day 1 of their nation are related to each other!!!! Our own Wilson was selected at Jesus College, Oxford when he was 24, and then groomed at the same secret societies which work for the Global Agenda over the years. Similarly with Bliar who was selected after his predecessor mysteriously dropped dead!!

Look around the world! Do you wonder why these draconian things (ID, chips, boosting homosexuality, 'war on terror' etc etc etc) are happening here, in the US and in Australia and other states all at the same time? Because these things are passed on to them by the Global masters through their 'organisation' CFR, RIIA, Bild. and Tri. members and also through all these background think-tanks, Institutes and NGOs etc which massage the higher level agendas into instructions for legislation and also for non-legislation policies.

The very fact that people even discuss whether Brown or Cameron will win shows that this mind-control has worked, they have been dazzled into believing that this will make a change. They are focused onto the trivia which is what the Global Elite want, rather than looking up and seeing the light. One of them might introduce legislation to tighten up on dogs fouling the pavements and another might bring in legislation to reduce the waste of packaging at supermarkets, and the poor dumb people say, oh, isn't that great as plans are afoot to her them into gulags.
This is also why so much mayhem is created around us, crime, panic, diseases, animal massacres, crass TV programmes, foul state education, pollution, CCTV, ID chips, wheelie bins, and a million other trivial things - this is done to stop the sheeple from ever having the time, inclination and peace of mind to look upwards to where the control REALLY lies and to see what is REALLY happening - to them.

If the masses were not constantly involved in fighting battles and 'enemies' and concerns and stresses at 'street level', they might all have the time and energy to see what is REALLY going on in the world and WHO is causing it and WHO is controlling them.


and this :-

Brown and Bliar and 90% of the world's leaders are NOT the Elite, they are senior puppets (enforcers) of the Elite, and the structure below these people is also part of the 'enforcers' - they are not the Elite Plotters. These Elite Enforcers all belong to interlinked secret societies, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, RIIA, CFR etc where, behind closed doors, the planning and implementation stages for world one government domination and control of humanity is discussed and agreed and plans devised. Mind control, very advanced at that, is used extensively.
As I say, there are two main levels of control - the plotters and the enforcers. The plotters are those you never see who manipulate events and changes in society towards a long-projected Elite outcome (the NWO). The enforcers are those in uniform and pseudo-authority, like national leaders, politicians, government officials, senior military and teachers, who impose the will of the plotters.

The key point is that the enforcers are, overwhelmingly, not aware that the plotters exist. They just 'follow orders' (police, military, council officials etc). It is important to know this if we are to understand the real background to what has become known as 'political correctness' or 'PC'. On one level (enforcers) it seems like a bunch of brain-donor idiots imposing stupid rules and regulations; but on the other (plotters) it is a coldly calculated agenda for human control.

Henry Kissinger is a true child of Babylon, and a VERY senior Enforcer, but not a Plotter. A member of, and major lieutenant for, the Illuminati bloodline families that emerged from the ancient lands of Sumer and Babylon, now called Iraq, and went off in all directions. Kissinger is a member of the Ashkenazi Jewish elite that can trace its bloodline out of Sumer to Khazaria, which was in the Caucasus region close to the Black and Caspian Seas, and up into Eastern and then Western Europe. They have no historical connection to the biblical 'Israel', although this very alleged connection has been used to justify the creation of the modern Israel.

Before the break-up of the old USSR, a delegation of the Illuminati Trilateral Commission went to meet Soviet President, Mikkal Gorbachev, in January 1989. It was headed by David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger and included former French President, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing. They were talking about the need for Gorbachev to integrate the Soviet Union into the GATT 'free trade' agreement, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, when Giscard d'Estaing intervened. He said:

Mr President, I cannot tell you exactly when it will happen - probably within fifteen years - but Europe is going to be a federal state and you have to prepare yourself for that. You have to work out with us, and the European leaders, how you would react to that, how would you allow the other East European countries to interact with it or how to become a part of it, you have to be prepared.

He was speaking three years before the Maastricht Treaty that turned the European Community into the European Union and guess who drafted the European Constitution ... Giscard d'Estaing. Had it not been for the 'no' votes by France and the Netherlands, that constitution would have made Europe a 'federal state' some seventeen years after he predicted 'probably within fifteen' to Gorbachev. And there is no conspiracy?'

These men are (or were) very senior Enforcers for the Elite Plotters whop are planning the future of this earth and of 'humanity'.

It is the trends and the plans which we have to watch for,. not the details which will vary from one country to another depending on circumstances etc.

The Police State Road Map is an amazingly good source of reference but there is a lot else out there as well.

It is the trend we must look at, they want to control all humanity and they start with the children of course and even with the babies. Whether they put chips or bugs in school blazers etc is a detail and unimportant, but it is part of this mass control which will precede a one world government which will lead to mass culling. What they are doing now is to condition the masses for what lies ahead, control over us backed up by teams of semi-robocops who have traded in their 'self' for the job. In Iraq now, the US military is treating the killing of Iraqis like a video game, their military units get points or bonuses or prizes if they kill 1,000 in one day!! Like these soldiers, our own police are being dehumanised so that they will always obey orders from the higher echelons to back up the Elite;'s plans without question.

Of course it is and this is what I have been saying all along about the Elite's plans. This is also covered in detail in Chapter 14 etc which I also forwarded some time ago.. All of these things are intended to cause harm, illness (mental and physical) and early death for many - vaccinations, aerial spraying, GM foods, drugs and many more. These things have been around for years and most people have known about what is going on especially with these mass vaccination plans and with aerial spraying (chemtrails). Always look at the trends, the bigger picture, not the details. Have you followed the new legislation coming through the pipeline which will ban all means of alternative healing and alternative, natural medicines and supplements etc? This then puts the whole of the 'Health' services (that means Killer services) in the hands of Big Pharma which is an arm of the Elite so we will have no option other than to go to them instead of natural alternatives. I think that I made the point some time ago that the biggest single killer here in the UK (and in the USA) is the National health Service (I also made the point some time ago that the Elite always use opposite words to hide their evil plans in their organisations like the World Wild Life Fund). Anyway back to the NHS, they kill more people than all murders, manslaughters, accidents (road, air etc etc etc) and all other unnatural deaths COMBINED.



Vivian F (491)
Monday January 28, 2008, 9:29 am
This PRI-K can't pass laws to help people but he has no trouble QUICKLY passing laws and ordinances to destroy our country and create a DICTATORSHIP for his sorry ass! God forgive me but I HATE that idiot!

Carol E (3)
Monday January 28, 2008, 10:46 am
Heartless & brainless????? Makes us wonder why is he our President.

Dave Kane (308)
Monday January 28, 2008, 10:57 am
I hereby declare Bush's brain ready for harvesting. But first, let's harvest Cheney's brain. Or whatever passes for the controller in these !@$%#@!$

Past Member (0)
Monday January 28, 2008, 12:16 pm
Vicky.....You've been forgiven and I hate the idiot too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave..........Me thinks the man's brain is made of pebbles!!!!!!!!

PLANT FOR YOUR LIFE......PLANT TREES....................

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Monday January 28, 2008, 4:40 pm
Noted, and you all have said it all! GOLD Stars to all! and to H_ll with Bush, I think there is ONE BUSH that needs to be "weeded" out so the good bush'es will grow with the trees!

Past Member (0)
Monday January 28, 2008, 6:05 pm
Hey......Cpa.........I don't think we all could up and burn down our houses, live in huts or cement blocks!!!!

Instead of name calling how about a constructive idea/thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plant life for your life.........Plant trees..................


O O O (143)
Monday January 28, 2008, 8:04 pm
"That"Bush-the ONLY bush that does need,a really close shave,no women-just "Bush"!

perhaps then,it's A-- will stick out enough,in a way this..might even ?feel.or what passes for it with that organisium. Organisum-per it's own policies-Spray it! Quick!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 1:38 am

Brilliant wording there Michael.
Hopefully he will be, and your words kinda remind me of these :

Matthew 13

`the field` = is the earth
`The Wheat` = are the ones who are trying to do GOOD things
`The enemy` = is the satanic power of evil
`The TARES` = are the ones who are doing EVIL things
and `the harvest` is when God will separate the two - and the `tares` will be destroyed.

As the rather inappropriate poster did point out (albeit that the wording was inappropriate) yes we do all have wood in our homes nowadays.
The answer to that would be : try NOT to replace what we`ve already got, and make more areas available for planting trees which could be used for essential wood products.
Forests are invaluable, and as the Native people would say : when you use the earth`s resources, you do need to `give back` (replace) what you take.
There always seems to be an excuse that there`s no room for anymore forests, yet strange does seem, how they always find room for large entertainment complex`s !!!!


Peace Monger (185)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 2:31 am
Excellent post Robin! (Bush - Blair - Brown - whatever - these are only names - PUPPET NAMES. )
Thanks for speaking up on the real threat to our world.

Todd R (45)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 3:17 am
They Impeached Clinton for oral sex. We need to IMPEACH BUSH for SCREWING THE WHOLE WORLD!!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 6:23 am

Whilst there are so many people on this thread, I would like to seize this opportunity to point out an issue that is very, very important to me - and will become very important to all of you also.

If you think they`ve `screwed` and `conned` you so far, then you aint seen nothing yet - not until you realise how you and your families are going to be `screwed` by all their I.D.tracking technology & the implications attached to that.

I want to keep this post short - whilst I dont want to hijack the very important topic about the forest. Therefore sufficient is it for me to say: please check out my profile, please keep a very open mind whilst I know many of you wont share my Faith, but equally please keep in mind all the news we are seeing about the RFID technology. If you wish to make comment on those issues, please follow one of the links on my profiles, rather than to make comments here.

thanks - and may God protect those trees.


Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 6:37 am
Screw Bushco and the SUVs they rode in on . . .

Robert D (40)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 7:43 am
IMPEACH BUSH NOW before he impeaches us. Stop this madman before he gets any crazier. SIGN THE PETITION TODAY AND GET EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO SIGN IT. He's got to be one of the most insane people on the planet! Lets drop the net on him already! I feel he is gonna keep himself in office by declaring Marshall Law and canceling the 2008 Nov. Elections. Get and his posse out now!

Robert D (40)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 7:47 am
How to catch a wild pig: This is a perfect scenerio of our current situation.

There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back And stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, ' Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, (payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, free medical, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms - just a little at a time.

One should always remember 'There is no such thing as a free Lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself

Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!

'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.' ........ Thomas Jefferson

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 2:29 pm
Noted with pain

Stephen Hannon (203)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 5:52 pm
Bush has been trying to open the Tongass Natioanal Forest for years, and has been defeated each time he tries. Hopefully he will fail again with his latest attempt for his buddies in the logging industry.

Screw bush and the rest of the neo-cons. Ephasis on CONS....

Eco M (197)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 10:52 pm
He is such an idiot and surrounds himself with idiots. Thank God he will be out soon.

Would love to see this man impeached.....even if no one had oral sex with him in the Oval Office.

Melva H (93)
Wednesday January 30, 2008, 10:49 am
Sure, it would be great to have a Perfect Person as President. But since there is no such person on this Planet, you have to make choices. Would you rather have a president who wandered sexually (how do you stand on 'private, personal rights'?), or would you choose one who told over 500 lies to start needles War, AND has taken away nearly all of our rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights?? And by the way, Bush never won an election. Votes were not counted in Fla in 2000, and votes were not counted in Ohio and WY in 2004. It comes down to deciding what you deem to be the most important.priority.... an immoral sexual encounter or an illegal War.

Uhoud A (184)
Wednesday January 30, 2008, 1:27 pm
I want to know when he leave I wish the new prisident of America can return Iraq to Iraqis and clean Iraq from Iranian and other occupation Iraq for sale the liers lies lies then killed destroied Iraies and Iraq Iranian forgin faces govern living in our area do you know why?? because menaning less war happend due to lies lies

Elana Phillips (0)
Friday February 1, 2008, 3:35 pm
has he just lost the plot or what ?
he just a nut case for someone who got an iq of 125 where is it well it not in his head oh for got it in his back side
well bush all i can say leave the forest alone
can i come & chop your house down i would love that one
then where would you wood come from to build your dam house
yep dum head forest

Cal W (37)
Friday February 1, 2008, 6:53 pm
bush sucks !!!!
Sincerely, Cal...

Lynda L (96)
Friday February 1, 2008, 10:03 pm
So much for, "Of the people by the people".. IF we really did run the country, none of this would be going on.I'm counting the days on my calendar to have Bush out of office, but I'm still not certain who to go with, that can actually win, to do what they claim. This (above) is just so very beautiful that it seems like a tragedy that anyone would want to change this beautiful woods to a dumping ground for dead makes me as sick as Bush, Cheney and Rice do...along w/the billions they waste in Contracts using our hard earned tax dollars. I wish we could really pool the money, save the Land and get these large Corp. rapist out of being in charge of everything, but greed seems to rule..sadly..

Michelle Neubert (1)
Friday February 1, 2008, 10:20 pm
the nightmare from hell continues.
replanting is done with about 4 species of trees and a few wild ones will reseed. but as the trees are recut (we are on our 4th and 5th 'generation' of tree cutting), there are fewer wild trees to reseed the area. so that means we loose the other 20 to 30 species of natural 'wild' trees too. It is not just the old growth we loose, it is the NATURAL trees (except for 4 species) that are also lost.

Ethically Vegan (15)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 1:13 am
Who IS Bush really looking out for? Can he not hear us crying out for peace? What is his motive? Our rainforests....the animals.....our dare he play god-like and destroy our fiber? Why has he alloted trillions of dollars to a war with no meaning? Peace cannot be obtained by war. Those two words shouldn't even be used in the same sentence. Either he has lost his pride or he has turned to evil. He will go down in history with the likes of Hitler, Lennon, Manson.
Turn the page..........Increase the Peace
As I read our posts I see overflowing compassion...intertwined souls riding these times out....we will be heard...focus forward, we will be heard.

Marian E (152)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 1:45 am

Yes, we need to impeach bush. Yes he is the worst president we never elected, but please, remember he really isn't smart. That IQ isn't his, I have no idea where it came from, but he is NOT a smart man. He is a FRONT man. His cohort is the man in charge. dick cheney was put there to handle bush and to see to it that the agenda was carried out. The agenda was and is oil. Oil runs the world right now. It's where the money is, and with money, power.

If we were to get rid of bush, cheney would be in line to take the presidency. That can not happen! Get rid of cheney FIRST! then get rid of bush.

Thank you.

Past Member (0)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 3:54 am

If we look realistically at the TRUTH though - so long as there is a consumer demand for wood and wood products then these things will continue.
Same with oil - so long as there is consumer demand for cars - then oil drilling - and threats to the antartic - and wars for oil - will continue.
Therefore the true answer lies insofaras : DON`T BUY THESE THINGS.

I started this subject thread because I find it terrible to hear of any forest being destroyed - but we DO also have to admit to ourselves as to why these things happen.

What we also need to bear in mind is this : our ancestors too would have chopped down trees for wood for fires in order to keep warm, and no doubt they might have used wood in the construction of simple homes.
However, at those periods of time - the earth was not as overcrowded - so demand was much less.
Neither did they have the kind of wooden furniture that we have nowadays.
With less people, there was more land available upon which to REPLACE the trees they cut down.

It is interesting to sometimes stop and think and compare `how we live now` to `how they lived back then`
We hear many things said around Care2 (and indeed elsewhere) about not eating meat (for example) or not wearing fur, and not killing animals. Yet few seem to consider that our ancestors did do these things in order to eat, and to be able to make warm clothes. I often wonder how people`s conscience will decide should we ever be faced with a mass climate disaster, or if solar flares from Sun Cycle 24 were to zap all our modern day technology. Regards those who survived, would their ANCESTRAL MEMORY then kick in, and tell them that they must do as their ancestors did if they want to survive ?

What bugs me when I hear of beautiful forests being chopped down, is that they are NOT doing these things in order to survive, but rather alot of it is mostly for profits.
Wealthy people replace wooden furniture without a thought that the more they replace things, then the more trees it will take to keep manufacturing these items.

Another factor to keep in mind is that paper is made from trees. In olden days there were far fewer books, and even school children didnt have books, but rather they used chalk and a slate book upon which to write.
So long as we want and demand all these MODERN DAY things, then unfortunately we are going to hear of the loss of more and more trees and forests.
The only way we can put a stop to it, is by going back to that very, very simple life style that our ancestors had - but it needs for everyone to do that, otherwise there would be no benefit.

Past Member (0)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 3:59 am
Robin......AMEN-AMEN-AMEN.......................All you've written is so very true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

They took all the trees
And put them in a tree museum
And they charged all the people
A dollar and a half just to see'em.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone.
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot.
Joni Mitchell,Big Yellow Taxi

Plant Life
Plant Trees...

Donna S (5)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 8:20 am
It's terrifying to think of what that moron, Bush, is going to do in the next ten months! I think in his warped small brain he figures if people hate him anyway that he may as well wreak havoc and hold the top position of the "most hated President" list. He has to have something to boast about. Lord, help us!

Eduardo L (101)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 10:30 am
This idiot has done more damage to the country than any others. Every day I hear something bad that he did. I am sure that he will be on the permanent shit list of American history.

. (0)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 10:58 am
There are sustainable wood farms near us-why can't this idea be expanded? Why kill off wild areas?
Very sad to see this happening...Noted with disgust.

stephanie v (85)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 11:13 am
Not only should bush/cheney be impeached they should be in Prison! They have the most corupt administration in our history. I don't think we've seen the half of it yet! STOP THIS "MAN NOW!!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 11:27 am

That `moron` and `idiot` is only the train driver (so to speak)


Paul: Secretive Elite Controls America

Same with the U.K.
Think back, quite recently to the News reports when Princess Diana`s butler gave evidence at the inquest. Is it not true that he told the court that the Queen had taken him to one side after Diana`s death - telling him `be careful paul there are powers at work`
So NOT even she is top of the power ladder.

At a guess I would say: try Rothschild, Rochefellahs, and City of London.

That`s why you end up seeing ridiculous incidents like how GWB didnt even know which Oil Conference he was at (nor could he find his way off the stage !!!) Look what a cock-up he made when the Queen made her visit - how many booboos did he make ? he got her age wrong, and then he added insult by winking at her !!!!! There are countless occasions where GWB has gaffed in public either by his actions or his words.
But then I suppose THE ELITE dont take on the brightest bulbs in the shop, whilst bright ppl would never agree to do the things that are being done.

U.K.`s Gordon Brown is another DIM bulb !!!
Blair - I`m not so sure about - I feel he did have some intelligence - but he is A POWER SEEKER - (a different catagory again)
Hillary Clinton, she`s another one like Blair.
I reckon she`s your next president - IF they do allow GWB to leave in November.
People like Obama and Ron Paul are just extra players in the FRAUDULENT game they call `elections`
I also believe that Gore is being used - he`s just been brainwashed.

NONE of these people are `the elite`


Joseph J (17)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 3:39 pm
What would you really expect from a criminal? Bush has trashed the Constitution of These United States so what is a forest to him. Nothing except profit that he and his family will make from the money they will receive from the logging companies.

. (0)
Saturday February 2, 2008, 8:03 pm
he's an ### ####

April Boerstler (13)
Sunday February 3, 2008, 5:56 pm
Geez, I wonder how much he gets paid for each assinine project he backs? The man is an insult to the humane human race. The man is a total disgrace, & God help him on judgement day! He is of the devils spawn.
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