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Accused 9/11 Defendants to Be Tried in N.Y. Court

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: terrorists, court, New York, crime, murder )

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Khalid Sheik Mohammed -- the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- and four co-defendants will be tried in federal


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Glenda J (158)
Friday November 13, 2009, 11:33 am
It's about time, Thanks Terry

Rhonda Maness (580)
Friday November 13, 2009, 6:50 pm
Thanks Terry

Paul Puckett (46)
Friday November 13, 2009, 7:13 pm
Thanks Terry, glad the trial will finally happen, still not convinced of the venue.

James C (43)
Friday November 13, 2009, 8:21 pm
We can be sure they will be given a FAIR TRIAL before they are executed....

See Operation Northwoods! (Google)

JustaHuman Here (53)
Friday November 13, 2009, 11:16 pm
After all the pressure the US administration was because of all the strange things and facts that were found on this 'terrorist attack' finally the want all these rumors to end by this trial. This will not work.

. (0)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 12:18 am
Oh sherbet... they are not even worthy of a trial.. they are alredy guilty and should be sentenaced to the gas chamber with a six pack of explosives tied to their backs...

Cam V (417)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 12:43 am
What happens if they go free? It will not stay in New York - cannot possibly take place there and IMO no where in the USA would they ever receive a fair trial in the eyes of the world. THEY ARE TERRORISTS AND THIS WAS AN ACT OF WAR!!!!! The absolute madness in this administration is shameful!!!! Why would any American support this and who is going to protect the place this trial finally takes place? You cannot even be protected from terrorists on your own army bases because it has become politically incorrect to say the word terrorism in America - instead you must say 'man caused disaster'!!!!

So is this what this trial will be about? A man caused disaster instead of the declaration of war that these terrorists have made in the past against America and it was ignored? The USS Cole for example and the first attacks on the trade centers ..... What about the families who lost people who died on 911? How is this justice for them to see these terrorists get rights their own family members never had?

This administration is the biggest joke you have ever played on yourself America. To announce this when Obama is not even in America and on a Friday which is considered a slow news day? When are you going to wake up and stand up for your country? My heart bleeds for the 911 victims and those they left behing.

This should have taken place at Gitmo and they should have been hung.

mary f (200)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 10:42 am
thanks terry

Elaine R (132)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 12:08 pm

Jelica R (144)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 12:47 pm
Email from ACLU:
"Dear ACLU Supporter,

Your support and determination helped the ACLU win an important first step for justice today.

In a victory for due process and the rule of law, the Obama administration just announced that the defendants charged in connection with the 9/11 attacks will be tried in federal court rather than in the Guantánamo military commissions.

It's an important step forward towards restoring core American values of justice and fairness. Unfortunately, it is accompanied by an announcement that the administration has chosen to prosecute some other Guantánamo detainees in the unsalvageable military commissions system.

You and the ACLU have stood together and insisted, if America is going to remain a nation of laws, those held at Guantánamo Bay must have their fair day in court.

Today's transfer of these high-profile cases is a significant step forward, and we are grateful for the leadership of Attorney General Holder and the Obama administration. At the same time, we must insist that justice cannot be served by trying any detainees in the discredited military commissions system.

Send Attorney General Holder a message of support for an important step forward, and urge him to try all terrorism suspects in our tried and true courts.

The ACLU has argued all along that our federal courts have proven to be fully capable of handling terrorism cases involving sensitive national security information while protecting the American values of justice and due process.

Through the ACLU's John Adams Project, a joint effort with the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL), we have provided legal assistance to today's transferees. We've sought to raise awareness of the serious deficiencies of the Guantánamo military commissions. And we've succeeded in stopping the military commissions from fast-tracking illegitimate guilty verdicts and subsequent death sentences.

The ACLU continues to call for the abolition of the deeply-flawed military commissions and to insist that holding any prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial flies in the face of fundamental American ideals. Justice can only be served in our tried and true courts. While today's announcement is a step in the right direction, we can't let up until all of the Guantánamo detainees are given fair trials."

Cam V (417)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 12:59 pm
This was an act of war and until the United States government ackowledges it for what it is these attacks will continue. How about if we move them to your part of the world Jelica and you guys can try them there? I for one, as a North American Citizen have had enough of this.

Paul Puckett (46)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 4:47 pm
One of the things that the ACLU has done to lose credibility with the majority of Americans, is to refer to the rule of law. Civil liberties of admitted terrorist? What law are they referring to? Geneva Convention? It doesn't apply. US law? Depends, not the ones enumerated in the Constitution. A military tribunal was the appropriate venue.

Bringing these people, using the term generously, onto US soil gives them the platform to spread their message. If not found guilty, New York will have several new US citizens. Exactly what will the opinion of voters be, of the ACLU and the Administration, if that were to occur.

Paul Puckett (46)
Sunday November 15, 2009, 5:45 am
According to the Huffington Post, the family of journalist Daniel Pearl is outraged that the trial will be held in the US.

Sara R. (0)
Monday November 16, 2009, 1:39 am
I’m still trying to figure out how they believe there is even constitutional authority for war criminals to be tried in an American civil court with full access to all that it grants. I suspect what will happen is the same thing that happened here in Florida . Essentially, the man ended up getting deported because much of the information gathered on him was classified and protected – as such – it couldn’t be utilized against him.

Since in our courts the accused get to face their accusers – meaning they get to see all the information compiled against them and how it was compiled – since this will be sensitive information and could cause harm to our national security if disclosed – we won’t be able to mount a case against them.

cartouche d'encre

Judy Cross (83)
Monday November 16, 2009, 4:40 pm
Show trials for patsies subjected to torture.

"According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.

On page 37 of the OLC memo, in a passage discussing the differences between SERE techniques and the torture used with detainees, the memo explains:

The CIA used the waterboard "at least 83 times during August 2002" in the interrogation of Zubaydah. IG Report at 90, and 183 times during March 2003 in the interrogation of KSM, see id. at 91.
Note, the information comes from the CIA IG report which, in the case of Abu Zubaydah, is based on having viewed the torture tapes as well as other materials. So this is presumably a number that was once backed up by video evidence.

The same OLC memo passage explains how the CIA might manage to waterboard these men so many times in one month each (though even with these chilling numbers, the CIA’s math doesn’t add up).

…where authorized, it may be used for two "sessions" per day of up to two hours. During a session, water may be applied up to six times for ten seconds or longer (but never more than 40 seconds). In a 24-hour period, a detainee may be subjected to up to twelve minutes of water appliaction. See id. at 42. Additionally, the waterboard may be used on as many as five days during a 30-day approval period.

So: two two-hour sessions a day, with six applications of the waterboard each = 12 applications in a day. Though to get up to the permitted 12 minutes of waterboarding in a day (with each use of the waterboard limited to 40 seconds), you’d need 18 applications in a day. Assuming you use the larger 18 applications in one 24-hour period, and do 18 applications on five days within a month, you’ve waterboarded 90 times–still just half of what they did to KSM.

The CIA wants you to believe waterboarding is effective. Yet somehow, it took them 183 applications of the waterboard in a one month period to get what they claimed was cooperation out of KSM.

That doesn’t sound very effective to me. "

Judy Cross (83)
Monday November 16, 2009, 4:58 pm
Look what else.... the Spanish Inquisition used to torture children.

"Bush Administration memos released by the White House on Thursday provide new insight into claims that American agents used insects to torture the young children of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

In the memos, released Thursday, the Bush Administration White House Office of Legal Counsel offered its endorsement of CIA torture methods that involved placing an insect in a cramped, confined box with detainees. Jay S. Bybee, then-director of the OLC, wrote that insects could be used to capitalize on detainees’ fears.

The memo was dated Aug. 1, 2002. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s children were captured and held in Pakistan the following month, according to a report by Human Rights Watch.

While an additional memo released Thursday claims that the torture with insects technique was never utilized by the CIA, the allegations regarding the children would have transpired when the method was authorized by the Bush Administration.

At a military tribunal in 2007, the father of a Guantanamo detainee alleged that Pakistani guards had confessed that American interrogators used ants to coerce the children of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed into revealing their father’s whereabouts."

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