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Arctic Sea Ice Melt 'Even Faster'

Environment  (tags: arctic, sea ice, climate change, global warming )

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Data from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) shows that the year began with ice covering a larger area than at the beginning of 2007.But now it is down to levels seen last June, at the beginning of a summer that broke records for sea ice los


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Pekka R (52)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:39 pm
Anyone interested, real time data, both Arctic and Antarctic:

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:44 pm
Judy will soon be hear, so rather than deal with her coments and rerererute I will start of asking those interested to check out these resources:

Here are a few "Myth Buster" sites you may want to check out:

About Global Climate Change

Climate change myths

Global Warming Myths and Facts

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic

Here is our round-up of the 26 most common climate
denialist myths and misconceptions.

Anti-denaliest Resources

If you're looking for a chance to educate yourself on climate change, get started on greening your own life (with all the normal caveats that lifestyle changes are nowhere near enough) or have facts and figures at hand to win your next argument with a denialist, you've got some tricky choices ahead of you. After all, the web has never been more overrun with climate "resources" and "guides," and most of them are lame -- some are downright inaccurate or misleading. (quote from the author, not me )

Here is a quick survey of some interesting and useful links:

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 10:00 am
This is no surprize.

The ice that froze in the winter of 2007-2008 is weaker than the ice that froze hundreds or thousands of years ago, hench that ice will melt faster. Once that "recent" ice has melted completely, the ice melting will slow down again.

Judy C (83)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:20 pm
The same old tired dire predictions of catastrophe trotted out each time by
the religious warmist cult.

They can't make truth disappear entirely though.This original November 2, 1922 article shows Artic melting happened in the 1920s:

Arctic Ocean Getting
Warm; Seals Vanish
And Icebergs Melt*

(By the Associated Press)

The Arctic ocean is warming
up, icebergs are growing scarcer
and in some places the seals are
finding the waters too hot, ac-
cording to a report to the Com-
merce Department yesterday
from Consul Ifft, at Bergen ,
Norway .

Reports from fishermen, seal
hunters and explorers, he
declared, all point to a radical
change in climatic conditions
and hitherto unheard-of tem-
peratures in the Arctic zone.
Exploration expeditions report
that scarcely any ice has been
met with as far north as 81
degrees 29 minutes. Soundings
to a depth of 3.100 meters
showed the gulf stream still very

Great masses of ice have
been replaced by moraines of
earth and stones, the report
continued, while at many points
well known glaciers have entirely
disappeared. Very few seals and
no white fish are being found in
the eastern Arctic, while vast
shoals of herring and smelts,
which have never before
ventured so far north, are being
encountered in the old seal
fishing grounds.

Explain that one away.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:16 pm
There was a lot of greenhouse gas pollution back then, of course. The industrial revolution began in the early 19th Century and the global temperature effects of it were being felt as early as the 1920s. We had no environmental movement back then, but such early reports would have inspired that movement, just as the present day reports do now.

Then nuclear power was developed in the mid-20th Century and it largely replaced fossil fuels as an energy source (lessening the greenhouse gas emissions for a few decades) until public opinion turned against it. Now people have turned back to fossil fuels more than ever. We are starting to get worse than in the 1920s.

That report, Judy, doesn't prove that the polar ice melts that occured in the 1920s were natural in cause. And it certainly doesn't prove that the polar ice melts in the present day are naturally caused either!

History repeats itself because we don't learn from it. All Judy did was show that.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:01 am
So true, so true, Dale!
Louise B.

Susan L (118)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 3:49 pm
Everything in nature is cyclic. I think we are in one of mother nature's cycles. We are most likely speeding it up because most of human kind are morans, but.............. Let's hope they get the message soon.
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