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Bernie Has Followers Who Are Fine That He Is A Socialist


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Fiona
- 1401 days ago - america.aljazeera.com
So what Bernie is a Socialist. Well, the Vermont senator's candidacy could serve to remove some of the toxicity from the term and political philosophy. It could also end the right wing and fascist quibbling about the "ideologies". Hope so at least.



   

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Fiona O (562)
Friday July 17, 2015, 9:00 am
July 14

The venue was a progressive policy forum in a packed conference room in Northern Virginia, far different from the kind of rallies drawing thousands of supporters that have helped propel Bernie Sanders’s upstart campaign for president.

But Sanders, the Democratic challenger to front-runner Hillary Clinton, was nevertheless on a tear. In the kind of fiery, policy-heavy speech that he has given for decades, Sanders laid out an agenda that gives the government a central role in promoting economic and social equality: a $15 an hour minimum wage, four years of tuition-free public college, higher taxes on the ultra-wealthy and on Wall Street transactions and a single-payer Medicare-for-all health system.

But is it socialism? Bernie Sanders, who since the beginning of this political career has called himself a “democratic socialist,” hasn’t disavowed or shied away from the term even under the hot glare of the presidential campaign spotlight.

“Do they think I’m afraid of the word?” he said in an interview with The Nation, praising the democratic socialist countries of Scandinavia. “I’m not afraid of the word.”

Neither, it seems, do Sanders supporters who have contributed to his recent surge in national polls and allowed him to become a thorn in the side of the Clinton campaign.

“I think it’s ridiculous and kind of humorous that socialism is somehow a derogatory term that’s loaded on people,” said Betsey Beyler, 67, who attended the policy forum and counts herself a fan. “What bothers me that label is pasted on people — politicians or others — to denigrate their work. It’s not necessarily even socialism, it’s just what’s doing right for people.”
 

Freya H (345)
Friday July 17, 2015, 9:34 am
Fine, but remember that socialism can go overboard too - and when it does, it degenerates into Communism. Thus, it seems to me that we need a reasonable balance between capitalism and socialism. On the one hand, support and encourage free enterprise; on the other hand, make sure that business doesn't screw the working class or the environment.
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 17, 2015, 9:43 am
Certainly many are showing up. Good news and thanks for posting Betsy.
 

Robert B (55)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:06 am
I already have my Bernie Sanders bumper stickers. GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:10 am
Go Bernie, go!
 

Arielle S (313)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:10 am
Socialism is NOT communism and a little socialism is ever so much better than 1% of the people having more money than all the rest combined. I'm a huge Bernie fan and my only complaint is that I don't have my bumper sticker yet....
 

JL A (281)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:15 am
Thanks Betsy. I read where he has gotten contributions from a larger number of different people than any other candidate and continues to draw large crowds even in states with GOP governors like Maine and Arizona.
 

Mandi T (367)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:21 am
Noted
 

Justin Vale (13)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:32 am
but that is not all he is. his fantasy is to rape and he tells himself and others that the raped woman will like it. he has no feelings for children, hence his dismissals of sandy hook and columbine. he is a marxist. and of course, he is the gun lobby's greatest asset.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:36 am
wait a minute, aren't you guys mostly women? this is weird because you girls are in reality telling us guys that you like getting raped. do you? and if the answer is no, why push for the man that says you do? it's either one or the other. you gotta choose.
 

Steven G (25)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:46 am
Though I put little value in any front-runner these days - of either major political party, I feel that Bernie is the best choice overall. But the arrest and prosecution (from 2008 and forward) of these criminal bankers would be the 'proof in the pudding' for any Presidential hopeful attaining office. Time will tell...
 

Sandrea S (278)
Friday July 17, 2015, 11:15 am
Whatever you guys do down there please don't vote Trump in!! Lol.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 17, 2015, 11:58 am
Go Bernie--just happy he's gaining steam throughout! thx Betsy
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 17, 2015, 12:04 pm
Since Capitalism has been proven time and again to be an unmitigated failure, I think America, and Europe, and the UK, needs some refreshing Socialism or Liberalism.

The only ones who haven't had enough of Capitalism are those still lining their pockets.

Shared on Google+, facebook and twittersphere.
 

Nita L (127)
Friday July 17, 2015, 1:32 pm
Noted. Thank you Betsy. Go Bernie!
 

Yvonne White (229)
Friday July 17, 2015, 2:05 pm
Reported Justin Vale..sicko!
 

Jae A (316)
Friday July 17, 2015, 2:07 pm
Thanks to Justin Vale for presenting the cancerous GOP opinion [ i.m.o.] above. Helps people understand what insaniTea the rest of us are up against. Bernie is the only candidate running that many of us believe can do the best job of accomplishing the eradication of the GOP's Corporate rule and their/it's cancerous effects on our planet and all life upon it.

Love this country and want to rid it of the GOP Cancers upon our society, our planet...then....Vote for Bernie....period :-) !
 

Connie O (45)
Friday July 17, 2015, 3:26 pm
Thank you. Go Bernie!
 

Nicole W (646)
Friday July 17, 2015, 4:28 pm
ty Betsy
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday July 17, 2015, 4:28 pm
“The most serious political problem facing this country, is that we don’t discus serious problems facing this country.” - Bernie
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday July 17, 2015, 4:31 pm
oh, and one more thing, that's actually a quote taken from another site:
"(Memo to the Sanders people up in Burlington: More work on the foreign side. Drop the Russophobia and rethink Israel.)"
I agree.
 

H M (37)
Friday July 17, 2015, 4:52 pm
Thanks, Betsy! Ooh, concern trolling. :/
 

Athena F (131)
Friday July 17, 2015, 5:39 pm
First of all, the whole label thing at this point is nuts. So Bernie has some socialist beliefs, so what? We have lots of socialist systems in place already in this country. Most of the people who scream socialism is bad use them or their end-products on a regular basis. Public roads and buildings anyone?

There's tons of politicians out there, claiming to be capitalists, claiming to be republicans, democrats, you name it..they claim it.. but they are actually plutocrats, fascists..again.. you name it. Insert your choice of dark and selfish labels here. But they hang onto their "nice" label until they get into office and can then safely let the ol' horns out from under that nicely-labelled hat so they can breathe.

If people want to label socialist as "bad" they need to check themselves and figure out what the other folks running for office actually are. Most of them aren't anywhere near what they claim to be. At least Bernie is honest about what he is, despite the fact he's gotta know that "socialist: is still a big "no-no" term to this country, because the people have been taught to fear this term, even when it was used innapropriately in the past, because what they did to socialists, or suspected socialists, or just..nice people who didn't like the way rich jackasses were running things and spoke up about how hey, wouldn't it be nice if we worked together a bit more.. not so long ago. It's funny that most of these jackasses claim themselves to be hardcore Christians, when.. if you had to put a label on him.. Jesus was closer to being a socialist than a capitalist. Go figure.

Second of all, since this doesn't rate First Billing for obvious reasons.. I want to say normally I don't even bother reading Justin's posts because they are just full of venom and completely sans reality, so what's the point in wasting the time? Don't feed the trolls, that's my motto.

But hey, we all have our shortcomings, and today he succeeded in catching my eye. This time by using a trigger word here, out of the blue. Rape. Way to use the cheap shot there, to get attention for whatever cause it is you are trying to get attention for this time. I've lost track at this point.

Let me say this about the whole rape fantasy thing. There's fantasy and there's reality. They aren't the same thing. Most people should understand this, but for those who don't, let me explain.

Fantasies are perfectly normal for normal people to have. And it's OK for them to be "weird" since they're remaining inside one's head. I think it's actually kind of brave for someone to admit they have a shocking fantasy, when lots and lots of other people have them but would never admit it. Many of those people would criticize that person when they spoke about it, even if their own fantasies were much worse.

Also, what are the odds that a rapist would announce to the public that he fantasized about rape? Sure, they might mention it online in some chat room where they're trying to groom a target, but a politician in the public eye? Somehow, I think if they were a real rapist they'd never EVER mention that the thought of being in complete control over someone, or acting with violence was part of their fantasy life. Why draw that kind of attention and raise those questions, if you really want to act on them?

Ever had a dream where something that would normally repel you actually turned you on in the dream state? It's the same kind of thing with fantasies sometimes for normal people. It's the actual rapists who act on such things that are a problem. You may fantasize about being tied up, humiliated, or ,,,well.. you name it.. and never actually want to DO it in real life. The thought of it actually happening might even horrify you, but for some weird reason, your brain is into it.

The difference is, it's into it INSIDE itself, not acting out in reality. Ever had a dream about a co-worker who was the exact opposite of anyone you'd ever be sexually attracted to? Wake up with that.. ughhhhhh...what the...??? feeling? Lots of people do. It's the same with fantasies sometimes. You have NO clue why you think of this crazy stuff, but you do, and so what? As long as you aren't hurting anyone, it's none of anyone's business.

This can be the case with non-sexual fantasies too. You may never EVER want to fly.. you may be terrified of it or just bored with the whole idea.. but maybe you have amazing dreams of flying. You can't control dreams, and it doesn't necessarily mean you need to go out right away and buy a pilot's license if you don't want to.

Never judge people by their fantasies. We all have them, and many of them would be considered weird or even OH MY GOD HORRIBLE if we knew about them. But if you're not hurting anyone, it's fine. Let your brain sort it's kinks out in the safety of itself. In some ways I think it can actually be a healthy venting device, as long as it never becomes something that manifests outwardly in harming others or yourself.

I know there are lots of women and men with rape fantasies who would NEVER rape or want to be raped. People who aren't malicious or controlling but just have a proclivity towards dark fantasies. Same way some people love horror movies but would never kill someone and certainly don't want to be killed. Bernie probably shouldn't have said what he said the way he said it, but I think if people were honest with themselves they really wouldn't be able to judge.
 

Roger G (148)
Friday July 17, 2015, 5:58 pm
noted, thanks
 

Caitlin M (104)
Friday July 17, 2015, 6:44 pm
I think one of the most troublesome aspects of any discussion of socialism in this country is that people seem to think an economic systems needs to be an either/or situation. While the truth is, as some have mentioned here already, our economic system is already mixed, with capitalist aspects and some socialist-type of programs. I think Bernie has no intention of doing away with capitalism but wants to introduce more sharing of the burdens of society, including that the uber-wealthy must pay their fair share. Can anyone really think that is not appropriate? Apparently, there still are those who want to support a system that takes food/money our of the mouths/hands of 99% of the people so that the 1% can have their personal jets and mansions all over the world. Go on folks, vote for that if you want unregulated/free market capitalism to protect the 1% but not YOU.

No, Socialist is not a dirty word. And I'm glad to see that more people are treating 'liberal' as worthy of respect these days. 'Progressive' was dragged out because 'liberal,' like 'socialist,' was too threatening. Perhaps we're heading for some days of learning something after all! We will if Bernie gets elected. Go, Bernie, go!
 

Mitchell D (82)
Friday July 17, 2015, 7:11 pm
I have no problem with Bernie's political leaning!
 

Kay M (46)
Friday July 17, 2015, 9:54 pm
Good Evening and thank you for this article - which I read and noted- GO BERNIE- Keep helping all AMERICANS ---Sincerely Kay M.
 

Gloria picchetti (304)
Friday July 17, 2015, 10:25 pm
I can't wait until Bernie wins as we will win!
 

mary f (200)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 4:56 am
socialism is fine with me we could use some here
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 6:10 am
Socialism is not Communism. Bernie Sander's supporters are aware of that, and aware that adding that splash of Socialism is in fact renewing the spirit of 1776 true Democracy. Remember freedoms, rights, "We The People" being defended, protected? Resources being more evenly distributed, more empathetic assistance for the disabled, elderly, destitute. It is humane, common sense that thirsts for a more ethical, empathetic, democratic, land of liberty. Bernie Sanders is a breath of healing in the political air.
 

Fiona O (562)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 7:13 am
I completely agree with you, Janice, many aspects of Socialism are renewing the spirit of 1776.....those who want to quibble about the ideology of this socialism or that socialism are either right wingers or trying to cause confusion for some other reason. Capitalism, while not all bad, as it is practiced in the United States glorifies selfishness. The instincts behind Socialism are the strength of a real community.

Sort of like this: Choose Mandela or Ayn Rand.....and we will know what you are all about.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 7:34 am
The IDIOTIC RETHUGLICANS are finding that they can't - anymore! - say "He's a Socialist" - as they said, falsely, about President Obama - and people will go EEEEEEEK! a Socialist! RUN!!! Run for your lives!!!

Nope, it DOESN'T WORK, people have become MORE SOPHISTICATED. But, IDIOT RETHUGLICANS haven't changed! They can't figure out why that old tried-and-true method DOESN'T work! anymore...
 

Marco C (31)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 8:07 am
Regardless of the label, it seems he has a regard for the rank and file Americans, respects and regards them well. Wishes them well and would work to promote overall well being and putting effort toward bettering quality of life. Can't say I see anything wrong with that.

There is also nothing wrong with measuring your own wealth by your ability to do for others. In particular for those that receive those resources well and build on it too.

Hopefully his supporters can see beyond him as the president and are willing to adopt his view and engage actively in assuring our wellbeing and those of others as well.
 

Terry King (113)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 9:01 am
Feel the Bern!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 9:16 am
I don't see how Socialism can be seen in any real negative light, given the last 10 years or so, has seen the effects of greedy, flawed individuals pursuing profit and employing pretty much any means, legal and illegal, to achieve it. It's what has shown Capitalism to be such a fatally flawed mechanism when used by humankind.
 

Fiona O (562)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 10:31 am
Great .... love it. Terry, Feel the Bern!

Darren, you are right. How can anyone see Socialism in a negative light? I agree 1000% but I have been attacked in Care 2 groups because it is well known that I am from Vermont and 1000% behind Bernie, largely for his visions of a United States with the type of socialism which exists in the Nordic countries. Clearly, there are even less than rich capitalist pigs and some of them are Care 2 members.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 10:31 am
For some people like Justin, they grab onto one article, and take a situation out of context. Although this word of rape and linking it to Sanders is fun for the people who want to throw people off on Sanders that are trying to learn it is always wrong.

Justin you are just flat out wrong. I suggest that the readers read the actual letter that Bernie wrote, my I remind them it was over 40+ years ago. I'll leave the link below. The only mention of rape was this line:

'A woman enjoys intercourse with her man – as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.'

Bernie did not say he had fantasies of rape he said a hypothetical woman had fantasizes. And some women actually do, believe it or not, just like some men have fantasizes but wouldn't act upon them nor really want to be part of the fantasy.
Actual Letter of Bernies

Bernie already said it was a dumb essay written long ago where he was trying to portray that men and women are equal. Wasn't one of his better examples along the way in life, but he was younger and we all learn and do make mistakes in how we are trying to convey what it is we are meaning.

But Justin will go with this.....instead of learning the truth......some people just don't want to learn the truth. He has another agenda, someone else he'd rather have in office so he'll go with the lie over and over again as I have also had to refute some of Jan's offerings on Bernie that are also half truths or not true at all.
 

Robbin Warner (21)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 11:39 am
Go Bernie GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 12:46 pm
Love me some Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! America is finally educating themselves to the isms (yeah, I can dream) Socialism is NOT the propaganda everyone in the US was force-fed as children. Fascists hate Socialism because it is precisely the OPPOSITE of what they think and do. I wish in the near future we could have a system like Finlands, Sweden's, Denmark's, Norway's, etc. Where REAL Socialism is in place and their citizens LOVE it. They do not have a problem with the 40% tax -- it all goes right back into what the people want and need -- you know -- healthcare, childcare, jobs, infrastructure, hospitals, housing, etc. Socialism is controlled Capitalism that benefits ALL the people, note the wealthy. The bane of Fascists.
 

Fiona O (562)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 4:43 pm
So true Terrie. I remember my childhood Catholic education (in two different countries) where I learned Socialism is as evil as questioning a decision of the pope....
 

Lynn Carin (367)
Saturday July 18, 2015, 9:46 pm
http://www.slayerment.com/blog/communism-vs-socialism-vs-fascism-vs-capitalism
 

Inge Bjorkman (202)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 12:30 am
No leaders at all if I can have an opinion, a supercomputer would be better...!!!

Love
 

Craig Pittman (52)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 4:04 am
If he isn't nominated there please send him north to Canada. Bernie would be most welcome here.
Thanks Nancy.
 

Diane K (134)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 9:54 am
Thanks for posting, Betsy
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 10:08 am
I for one! I couldn't give a rat's a-s if he's a Socialist!! He has more transparency than Hillary, never thought I would have to admit, but facts are facts! I have total trust in Bernie! Go Bernie 2016!!
 

Sandra Vito (85)
Sunday July 19, 2015, 3:25 pm
Gracias Betsy
 

Arild Warud (174)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 3:07 am
Bernie is no Socialist,not even a Socialdemocrat,as we define it in Scandinavia, but he is your best choise to put USA back on the right track.

Is Bernie Sanders really a socialist? Or just redefining socialism for America?
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday July 21, 2015, 4:12 am
Betsy ~ attacks on these Republican dominated groups are just "words on a screen" with very little substance behind them, leaving nothing to convey except greed, narcissism and territorial egoism.
 

Don H (45)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 8:19 am
Thank you, Fiona!

Bernie is my guy! Go, Bernie!
 

Fiona O (562)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 9:01 am
Thank you, Arlid, for the reference to that excellent Guardian article.

Completely agree, Darren, the Republican greed, narcissism, and egoism becomes more and more evident.

Thank you, Don, and thanks for all of the comments.

Fiona, Betsy
 

Brenda P (125)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 12:20 pm
I LOVE BERNIE SANDERS
 

Deborah B (71)
Friday August 7, 2015, 9:09 am
Go Bernie!
 

Nancy C (806)
Friday August 7, 2015, 3:59 pm
still time for hope. debates will help him move forward...he needs that exposure.
 

Nancy C (806)
Sunday August 16, 2015, 8:18 am
we have a running chance with Bernie... I'm praying/hoping/acting/suggesting/ for Bernie to save our country...
 
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