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House Republicans Push Obama Administration to Implement National ID System By Amar Toor on March 3, 2011 at 01:30 PM


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Homeland Security, airports, National ID, americans, bushadministration, democrats, ethics, freedoms, government, obama, terrorism )

Caitlin
- 3035 days ago - switched.com
As it stands right now, states have until May 11th to comply with the 2005 Real ID Act, signed by President Bush. Enacted as a response to the terrorist attacks of September 11th, the act calls for the creation of a national identification card.



   

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Caitlin M (104)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:09 am
IF YOU DON'T WANT A NATIONAL ID: Call write Janet Nepolitano, Homeland Security, and your Senators/Representatives. It'll be nere by May 11 unless something is done about it. I thank Barbara W. for bringing this to my attention.

A NATIONAL ID CARD? Talk about Fascist!! Please talk about all of this...maybe this isn't such a big thing, but if you read what they want to include in the "card," it's more like an implanted dog tag!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:23 am
We have found Big Brother and it is ourselves. When do we start lining up to get bar codes or long identification numbers tattooed into our arms?
 

Kate S (17)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:24 am
Again the Republicans are running. Scared they will lose everything they have and they are right THEY WILL...2012 will change it all for the better for citizens NOT criminals.
 

Kit B (276)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:25 am

Papers, please. Though we do have Social Security cards and Driver's license with photo so we are probably already punched, stamped and folded.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:37 am
Good to see you putting this out there, I got Barbara's information and was in hopes someone would put it on news as I'm preparing for a big lecture tomorrow and no time. I'll forward along, best I can do.

Please follow through on this action alert clip.....it fully explains how to on this link.
http://beatthechip.blogspot.com/2011/02/action-alert-spread-truth-and-defund.html
 

Marti Williams (170)
Friday March 4, 2011, 9:57 am
Don't use your SS card for ID..there are not that many people who need to see it...or doctor does not have to see your SS no....I am OK with my Driver's License...but even that no. can be stolen and mis used...
 

H Nick H (1826)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:20 am
Noted..........getting sicker each time I find what the repubs are doing to US.
 

Jeannette A (137)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:25 am
I noticed that when I lost my SS card and was sent another one, the 1st thing they tell you is big bold letters is DO NOT CARRY THIS IN YOUR WALLET! Another thing... since credit card and other information can now be scanned from inside your wallet without your ever having to remove them, I'm looking into buying the kind of wallet that blocks those scans. As for having a national ID, I think the idea is truly an invasion of privacy, even though they have enough info on all of us for the government data bases to make this a moot point for most of us. My worry is something a bit different.... what about all the idiots that will be sorting and handling our personal data? They are talking about cutting tons of IRS agents because the government cannot afford to pay them. Who in the hell is going to manage creating these ID cards? I can just see some Repbulican't deciding... "why don't we use prisoners for making up National IDs? After all, they make license plates..."
 

Mary L (132)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:29 am
On one hands, we already have national I.D. cards and people use them constantly for identification and think nothing of it. Social Security numbers/cards are asked for and routinely given for just about any form you fill out.

There is almost no resistance to the practice. If you object to that use, OK otherwise, in some ways, it makes sense to have a national ID, maybe one day they'll have a national driver's license as the do in other countries.
 

Tom C Sullivan (98)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:36 am
This is another reason Bush & Cheney should be tried in a court of law like Gitmo. I have no respect for our failed goveerment system, It seems we will be under a police state all the way. God help us.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:37 am
Thanks for posting Caitlin and Dandelion for forwarding. How about a DNA profile imprinted on the card too! It's absurd of course, but what good will it do? People will always find a way to beat the system...just as DMV employees helped people to get fake drivers' licenses, someone will find a way to fake the ID card. Perhaps that "business" could hire some of the unemployed.
 

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:45 am
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
 

Linda G (187)
Friday March 4, 2011, 11:42 am
Let's see, union busting, cuts to education, police and fire depts, government in a woman's health care decisions, government in our bedrooms, and now a national id card. Sounding more and more like Hitler's Germany. We have to put the fearmongers out of business and get back to the process of creating jobs, good schools and safe neighborhoods. I fear the GOP these days more than Al Qaida.
 

Norm C (74)
Friday March 4, 2011, 12:10 pm
By the terms of the original act creating Social Security, the card was not to be used for ID purposes. Of course, our SSN is frequently used for ID purposes.

Until 2009, I flew a great deal within the US. I never had a problem with my driver's license and airport security. When I travel to Canada, my passport works just fine.

My mother no longer drives and does not have a valid license. But she does have and uses her passport.

A fair number of the elderly have neither. It should also be pointed out that a few states, run by GOP majorities and governors, are trying to eliminate the right to vote from citizens who cannot produce two pieces of govt. issued photo ID.

Who cares what Granny thinks? It looks like the GOP is trying to unplug Granny's citizenship.
 

Toni C (508)
Friday March 4, 2011, 12:44 pm
We already have a National ID... it's called a social security number and is required of all United States citizens from birth, anymore. Originally, this card was not to be used for identification, but try walking around without one today. Linda AWAY, you're right... our homegrown terrorists are the ones we need to fear more than Al Qaida or any other foreign group.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2011, 1:39 pm
and if literally millions of us refuse to comply?
 

Janet G (108)
Friday March 4, 2011, 1:48 pm
Agree with Linda, but I believe it is not only the GOP that should be feared more than the Al Qaida, but the entire house.
If seeing is believing, the only alternative is to encourage people to read the Health Care bill, all 1008 pages, but there always be those who will remain in denial, but this will be their wake up call.
The following are government documents as evidence of what has just been done to the American people under the guise of healthcare. You have a choice, be one of those who believe what they see, or, tell yourself that your lying eyes are wrong.Sec. 2521, P. 1000 – The govt. will establish a National Medical Device Registry. H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008: you agree for yourself and your family to be chipped like a farm animal with a RFID? Better start making up your mind now.
Sec. 2521, P. 1000 – The govt. will establish a National Medical Device Registry. H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008:
(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘(B) and is— ‘‘(I) a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”
Page 104 defines data in paragraph 1
Section B National Medical Device Registry from H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008:
http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance...
Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”
Any other data deemed appropriate by the secretary, so is the sky is the limit?
Pages 1001-1008 “National Medical Device Registry” section.
Page 1006 “to be enacted within 36 months upon passage”
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationa...
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf
What your future holds in store. You go to a doctor for medical services; you are informed that he must implant an RFID chip in your body. And that all of your medical history must be programmed into the chip, and if you refuse the RFID chip under law he will not be able to treat you. Sound like science fiction? It’s not; it’s in the healthcare bill. Looking at the other information links provided tells us its been an idea for a very long time.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Friday March 4, 2011, 2:56 pm
Wouldn't it be just perfect if Jeannette hit the nail on the head with the plan...have the prisoners make them! Sounds like a cost-effective plan the Republiwon'ts would do. Mary and Olivia...perhaps it wasn't in this article but in another that I read where there is a bioidentity segment being proposed for this stupid card. I couldn't find out what that meant, but if it has "bio" in it, DNA isn't far behind, perhaps. So it's not so far-fetched. That's why I mentioned in my first comment that this is closer to an implant than we'd like to admit. Those of you who are becoming more afraid of our own government than you are of the taliban or Al Qaeda are exactly right to feel so in my opinion. We are in danger of the Gestapo-like polizei stopping us at their whim and demanding "Your papahs, pleese!" And if we didn't have them on us, off to jail we'd go...no questions asked. And if you think it can't happen in America...then just sit back and do nothing. I believe we are very much in danger of becoming a Fascist state where the government's military are used widely as opposed to the plutocracy we have right now where the power is in the hands of the wealthy Big Business moguls. Both are equally dangerous to the common citizen who has heretofore felt like a free human being.

The site that Dandelion mentioned as far as I can tell is suggesting that we contact our Representatives and Senators to wage a protest against this National ID business. Here is the sample letter the site suggests.

The Real ID Act was declared "dead" in 2009 by Secretary Napolitano, but DHS continues to keep trying to fund it.
In this time of stretched budgets and fiscal crises every penny counts. Please vote down legislation which enforces government waste on programs such as the Real ID regulations, which at this time is opposed by over 25 States in the USA.
Please work with legislators who have aims to defund this national ID card program, in exchange for deliverable reforms which don't waste our budgetary resources.

I HOPE Y'ALL ARE SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT THIS...WE MUST TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF EVERY LITTLE STEP THE GESTAPO IS MAKING TODAY!

 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 4, 2011, 3:24 pm
More "culling the herd stuff"........like it or lump it, gun to our heads.......TS and a host of other ARROGANCE that we elected our CONGRESS to enact upon us??????????
Where's the line in the sand for the APATHY groups as to when they have had enough??????
 

Yvonne White (229)
Friday March 4, 2011, 3:56 pm
The way I understand it, they decided to make all State Driver's Licenses "up to code" for use as a National ID. So if you drive you already have a National ID, unless you have some backward RepubliCON state's Driver's License.. and all States require a picture ID if you Don't drive & still need one for Social Security, any state services, or to use a credit card - so you probably have a state issued ID that would serve as a National ID. even if you don't have a Driver's License.. again, it may depend on the state, but I'm certain IL. issued ID is compliant.
 

Barbara Erdman (63)
Friday March 4, 2011, 5:36 pm
Noted :0
 

Jo-Ann Harris (85)
Friday March 4, 2011, 5:40 pm
It seems to me your Republicans are breeding more fear and contempt on the average American. These bureaucrats have fallen right into the terrorists hands. As the say, Fear just breeds more fear. I think it's high time they remove themselves from the pitfalls of terrorism and begin to live again. Nobody can every stop this kind of fanatics, but they can stop their ignorance and fear about it. I may be off the mark here with my comment, but I do believe this ID Act comes from such a place.
 

James J. (5)
Friday March 4, 2011, 6:00 pm
Is Sen. Charles Schumer a republican now? LOL, Bill Clinton is the father of the national ID, he was trying to get it passed in 1993.

You guys crack me up...
 

Jae A (316)
Friday March 4, 2011, 6:31 pm
The idea has been kicked around for a few decades now but it took Bush to make it law. Nothing about this cracks me up..only pisses me off at those who can't see the whole pie as to what is happening to this country.

You can easily connect the many many dots out of D.C. over just the last decade....sshhhh...if you listen carefully you might be able to here to sound of military boots going from door to door.
This is no fricken joke..all those dots coming out of D.C. in the last decade...when spelled out are nothing short of Hitlers Germany ...period.
 

Debbie G (306)
Friday March 4, 2011, 7:30 pm
Tattoos, Brian, he// no, they'll be implanted chips like the Humane Society and veterinarians now use for pets. I believe about 80% of our politicians have their heads up their collective a$$es and we're losing hope quickly here. I just don't understand how so many stupid people get elected. I will follow link provided by Dandelion to do what I can. And shut up for now. ; )
 

Susan L (150)
Friday March 4, 2011, 8:22 pm
Jan g - You need to actually research the National Medical Device Registry, before your lyin' eyes and imagination get the best of you. This was "thrown around" by fear mongers long ago. "Medical Devices" (prosthetics, implants like heart monitors, and other 'medical devices' that might be put into your body, artificial knee, etc) are already numbered, etc. The 'data' chips you are so worried about are to provide the manufactures or your doctor the information they need should there be some kind of failure in the device or problem so those that have these devices in place can be "found" if need be for problems that are discovered with a device. Please do yourself a favor and 'really' look it up, not depend on some wacko "site" that is only interested in propaganda regarding the health care act.
 

Sharon Karson (82)
Friday March 4, 2011, 8:38 pm
Privacy seems to be on the endangered species list and nearing the brink of extinction.

Caitlin, is there a link to the actions you suggest or do we need to create one?
 

l L (1)
Friday March 4, 2011, 8:41 pm
In a fender bender, called for law enforcement. I was very surprised that even as a passenger they asked for a drivers license from me, home phone, where we were coming from and going to, home phone no and email address. With no license they wanted the rest of the stuff. Oh yes did I say the relationship I was to the driver. Never ever had to go thru that guys. From reading more articles, looks pretty much like President Obama is a republican. Republicans are the worst persons in the world and I don't believe in our government at all, any more as being on our side. 9-11 was bushes doing and we have to suffer. How much can one be dissappointed?
 

Barbara W (342)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:00 pm
Fascism coming to a town near you and I.. And we thought we won that war..This abusive issue has far more reaching ramifications then we can imagine. Our leaders and the masters they serve have been touched by a madness which has them destroying or complicit in destroying everything they can, every aspect of our freedoms, needs, rights, even the air, water and food we need to live, they need to live, is being contaminated. If this is not madness, then I am mad!

Interesting links http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15231
http://www.preventgenocide.org/prevent/removing-facilitating-factors/IDcards/

National ID Card Being Sponsored by Lindsey Graham (Progressive-SC)
http://the-classic-liberal.com/national-id-lindsey-graham-progressive/
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Reading The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich gives you a good idea of what's ahead..
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"I am reminded of George Orwell’s riveting book, “1984.” Is “1984″ now upon us? The new national ID cards, disguised as a uniform drivers’ license, will be biometric. Each card will store personal data about the card holder. What information? Whatever the computer chip will hold—up to a gigabyte of data. And, each card will contain a GPS tracking chip. (Just in case someone steals your card, Big Brother will know, within 3 feet, where that card is at any moment.) George Orwell’s 1984 has finally arrived—and only 27 years late.
Please, CLICK HERE to FAX every Member of the U.S. Congress to tell them to STOP any form of National I.D. cards or National Drivers’ license. Tell Congress that the Real ID Act goes beyond constitutional limits, and that the American people will not be subjected to what amounts to an internal passport. Further, tell Congress that since the creation of a uniform, federal drivers’ license/ID card exceeds the financial limits established by the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 (Pubic Law 104-4, 2 USC 1501), this law cannot be implemented because the cost exceeds the limits the federal government can impose on the States. Please help us fight this usurpation of YOUR privacy rights—and CHALLENGE an unlawful demand on the States. A substantial GIFT to AmeriPAC will help us fight what has already been costly war. But OUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS must be preserved. " http://obamalies.org/15659/national-id-card-in-may/

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"The Napoleonic identity card was the main ancestor of all modern ID systems. Its main purpose was to hold down wages, by stopping workers moving around to find better jobs and higher wages. Napoleon transformed the free society of the French Republic into the Empire, a tightly controlled police state. "
 

Barbara W (342)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:11 pm
Please, CLICK HERE to FAX every Member of the U.S. Congress to tell them to STOP any form of National I.D. cards or National Drivers’ license. Tell Congress that the Real ID Act goes beyond constitutional limits, https://secure.conservativedonations.com/ameripac_realid/?a=1721
 

Caitlin M (104)
Friday March 4, 2011, 10:38 pm
Thanks, Barbara, for the additional info. We are headed for a Fascist state and we must do all we can to stand up sooner rather than later. Wisconsin gave us a good start, now the rest of us much keep up resisting those oppressors who are strangling us slowly but surely.
 

Barbara W (342)
Friday March 4, 2011, 11:40 pm
I apologize if the link I found above, for reaching your legislators turns some off. I had no idea that they would charge for this service and so far this was the only petition I 've been able to find..You would think there would be many given the issue.


"Creating a biometric national ID will not only be astronomically expensive, it will usher government into the very center of our lives," ACLU legislative counsel Christopher Calabrese said. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/04/30/ACLU-blasts-national-ID-card-proposal/UPI-96821272634097/
http://littlealexinwonderland.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/aclu-national-id-card-mandate-worker-fingerprinting-database-masqueraded-as-immigration-reform/
 

l L (1)
Friday March 4, 2011, 11:46 pm
Stand up and do what? I am finding out more things about history now more than ever. How we have been lied to about so much. You think things are one way but yu find out it is beyond yur wildest. Like who Nimrod really was and what he really did in history and how it relates to now and a certain religion. Like the mystery of God being complete. The knowledge of it. How dumb am I. The name Apollo. All this honor given plainly in our face and most of us just don't know what is really going on. I was so sad to learn about Nazi's in America experimenting on us legally. I feel sorry for all of us. Mostly the kids. Why does it have to be this way? And to find out Nazi Germany was more advanced than I would ever have thought. I'll be okay guys just got to clear my head and move on.
 

Susan L (150)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 3:01 am
Barbara W, it is no wonder that the petition site you referred to would 'charge' (a ridiculous amount) ! Don't know if you noticed, but this is a CONSERVATIVE PAC that uses their "FEES" to support the likes of McCain, Gingrich, Trent Lott, John Kyl, John Ashcroft, Bill Frist - and the list goes on. (oops, 1 Democrat, Harold Volkmer from MO - which would put him on MY don't vote for list given the crazy bills coming out of Missouri).

I am concerned, however about a 'National ID'. As Toni said, "We already have one, our Social Security Card." Maybe they should just send us all new cards with just a 'code' on it so we wouldn't have to carry our SS# with us, and they could use one of these new technologies that would make it secure.
 

ewoud k (68)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 3:36 am
Big Brother who wants to know everything about us and tries to put the blame on terrorism.

I kow that by tracking your credit card paymentsyou can be tracked as well, and that we (nearly) all have a driver's licence, but for there you have a choice.Forced upon national ID is only good for one thing (guess!), but is gaining all countries.

I remember that way back in the '70s (I lived in Holland at the time) my right-wing (and proud to be so) school-director almost pushed us on the streets to protest against plans to instore national ID cards we should have to carry with us, he who had some very bad memories about Hitler's security forces. We won, no ID needed.

Years later, in 2003, a simple reference to Al Quida made the Dutch parliament instore this ID without any objection.

I don't think Holland is safer now, but it's easier to control.

 

Kathy Javens (104)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 7:15 am
Noted. What`s next.....Barcodes on the back of our necks????? With all the bad stuff happening, I am feeling kind of nervous. It is horrible that our own country has become a place where you feel watched and nervous. What happened to the safety and security? This is shameful to feel this way, but I cannot help it.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 7:29 am
I would just like to point out that the site that Barbara W. mentioned in her last post is a Conservative site that simply by its nomenclature is blaming President Obama for this ID card. I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a GW Bush initiative... or maybe even Clinton as someone said it may be, but it is not an Obama-generated plan. I, personally don't trust the AmeriPac site any more than I do Fox News, they are both Ultra-Conservative entities. I'm not saying that we shouldn't use the form to contact congress people...but what Conservative site would actually send these things to all representatives. And, certainly, if we were pulled into donating to the site most of us would be donating against our own interest, so I'm just saying that I may not use this site, but have already written my Senators and Representative about my thoughts on this.

I am not hereby doubting Barbara W.'s motives or intentions here at all, by the way. Please don't think that. She does lots of good works and I believe her heart is pure, so to speak. Our means and concerns are occasionally a bit different, that's all.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 7:35 am
When I submitted the above comment, my page showed Barbara W.'s post of 10:11PM as the last one...not all those that have come in between (because I hadn't refreshed my page from yesterday). So now I see Sue D. was all over this conservative site issue and had addressed it. (I hadn't tested it to know that they were actually charging any money for the service...just assumed they would ASK for donations, not charge a fee!) How crude can they get! Thanks Sue and Barbara for righting the ship here.
 

David C (75)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 8:12 am
I thought Repugnatants were against a strong federal/national government involvement (i.e shouldn't want a government ID program), against excess waste of money (sounds like we don't need to spend new money on something like this) and for personal privacy (hmm, how does another ID support this???)..... hypocrisy???? confusion???? living in fear????
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 9:17 am
A climate of fear is never helpful. I do, however, appreciate the information.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 9:54 am
In March of last year didn't the democrats call for a national ID program called the Believe System, (for Biometric Enrollment, Locally stored Information and Electronic Verification of Employment)?
 

Les Nisbett (18)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 12:03 pm
Where is the petition to stop this? I'll sign it! What they are trying to do is unconstitutional and violates our rights.Do you want a chip on your ID so they always know where you are? God help us if this passes!
 

Barbara W (342)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 3:03 pm
Not fear Bee Hive Lady, vigilance! History has proven "What WE don''t know", can harm US!
 

Trish K (93)
Saturday March 5, 2011, 6:02 pm
No fear here. They have our information , always have, so what is new ? I can't talk about the future.
It's not here.
 

l L (1)
Sunday March 6, 2011, 3:23 am
Hint-- Not to mention what Pres. B forced on us with these t.v's wonder what that was all about? Was it being able to have a conference t.v call without you knowing it? Big brother is watching?
 

Caitlin M (104)
Sunday March 6, 2011, 11:18 am
I like the way ewoud k. looks at it with his experience on both sides of the question, as it were. Thanks very much, ewoud. A little different perspective can give an entirely different view!
 

Matthew Cloner (114)
Sunday March 6, 2011, 1:27 pm
The way you can tell when you're dealing with real evil is that evil always seeks to have power and control over other people. We don't need a National Identity Card because we carry around our Social Security Cards and, for most of us, our driver's licenses. However, the government simply is after more power and more control over our lives. We need to fight this thing with everything we have. We need to wake the people of the nation up and make them understand that we are under attack from our own government. This issue is not about conservative vs. liberal, nor is it about Republican vs. Democrat. It's about freedom and liberty and privacy.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Sunday March 6, 2011, 3:02 pm
Matthew Cloner makes a good point .. well said, Matthew. It's really not about a little piece of paper with a chip in it, it's the power to make us carry one that's horrific. How dare this Congress go in this direction? BECAUSE THEY CAN... IF WE LET THEM!
 

ewoud k (68)
Monday March 7, 2011, 2:03 pm
Thanks for the compliment, Caitlin, but in fact the credits should go to the old man, my schooldirector Van Der Veer, a right-wing law abiding citizen (so with some doubtfull ideas, in the eyes of his students) but a man who could very well explain, based on family-experience, that national ID could -under certain circumstances- be fatal and should therefore NEVER again be instored.

This opinion wasn't considered doubtful, as he was the only familymember left to tell us this.

Before, there were lots of aunts, uncles, nephews and nieces, etc.

Why does mankind never learn?
 

ewoud k (68)
Monday March 7, 2011, 2:12 pm
In fact, WHY does a self-confident and respected/respectful democracy need national ID? WHY has such a democracy the need to follow its citizens?

Don't think too hard, your answer to these two questions might frightenn you.




In fact, only oppressive and/or totalitarian states have a real need. Other states can do without.
 
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