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Wealth Buys Health -- Even in China


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Kit
- 3412 days ago - sciencedaily.com
Studies in the United States have long shown that rich people tend to be healthier than poor people, and that this "health gap" between the haves and have-nots gets worse as people get older. More money - better health, less money - who really cares?



   

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Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 6:09 am
Is this really the best we can do for our growing society? If you have money or "strike it rich" then health care is available - if you're born into a poor family or "lower class" then getting sick might well mean death. That just doesn't seem like a healthy attitude for any of us to have toward our fellow citizens.

Once again I invite you to join the group on Care 2 to discuss health care and other pressing issues as we plan to march on towns, cities, state capitals, and Washington DC. Can't make it to DC? Then let's talk about how to get something going in your own town square - let's all show then we can do this right and we can do it this together. http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/March_DC Consider this your invitation!

And how can I pass up an opportunity to remind you that we can pay for all of this and have far better health care then we do now - PLEASE - checkout the FAIR TAX!

www.fairtax.org/
 

Ben O (129)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 7:11 am
The pic reminds me of the Swedish flag,
wich reminds me of our Universal Health Care:
EVERYBODY has the right to (can afford) health care, no matter if you're rich or poor.
No problem for us, so what's the problem for certain so called "Developed" countries...???
 

Ben O (129)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 7:13 am
...and may I add; we have a conservative government since 2006.
(some people think Sweden is a socialist country)
 

Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 7:44 am
And we have had a lousy government for some many years now - far more interested in protecting the rights of insurance companies to gouge, deny and overcharge then in finding a way to allow all Americans access to health care. Ben is correct this is not that big a problem and the current bill is a mess and will not fix our problems either. Thanks Ben.
 

Tierney G (381)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 8:21 am
What I will never understand is why conservatives and right wing types want to save all these unborn children but then do not want to be responsible for them. They have just proven that by saying no to all bills that help women and children. So they are big fat liars and hypocrites and we cannot let them get away with it anymore. They need to be shamed and pointed at as noncaring cold hearted monsters that they really are!! Thanks Miss Kitty :)
 

Bill C (93)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 8:32 am
Why is it the American people refuse to see the benefits of Universal Health Care as practised in Europe? The doctors and hospitals and pharmacies do, of course, milk the system for all they can get, but it's certainly better than the mess in America. Thanks for sharing, Kit.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 12:58 pm
Bill, it is not so much the American people. It is the politicians whom the Insurance companies have in their pockets. It is due the amount of money they spend on media advertising to frighten people who do not undrstand the workings of Big Business. They think they can cram just about anything down our throats and we will swallow.
 

Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 1:41 pm
Exactly, the use of distraction, redirection, obfuscations, intentional misleading, and out right lies has been for 60 years an effective force to prevent universal health care in America. And of course there is so very much money involved to prevent people from escaping the insurance trap that few can see any other way for obtaining health care. This is big business protecting it's own interest at the expense of the public interest. Though realistically we DO need a tax reformation to pay fully for universal health care and to finally allow those on Social Security to NOT live in poverty. This can be done - should we have the will to do it.

www.fairtax.org/
 

. (0)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 6:32 pm
Imagine if the money spent to pay off legislators and to spread misinformation to the public were actually spent on people's health care - why, we might even be able to provide health care to ALL Americans.
 

Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 6:58 pm
At about 1.5 million per year and approximately 500 elected legislators plus all the staffers with influence and suddenly you add at least another 15,000 people worth 250,000 to 500,000 each and my goodness how fast the money adds up!
 

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 9:06 pm
Right On Chana, Tierney, Bill, Patricia, Kit & Ben!:)
 

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 9:08 pm
Ben, apparently Amaicans are too selfish to "share" Healthcare!;) At least American Politicians are!
 

Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 16, 2010, 9:22 pm
Do you ever get the feeling that to get an honest answer from a politician would cause earthquakes, tidal waves, tsunamis, hurricanes and massive volcanoes all at the the same time? Either because they don't the the truth or choose to not tell us, I know which I think is worse.

Is it too late? Or can we find a new way to go forward, a way that makes unity and community essential, that the people and not the institutions are of utmost importance? Or is this new headache medicine just taking me to LA -LA LAND?

 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday March 17, 2010, 5:05 am
Okay, Kit. Get off the meds. They are poisoning your mind and taking you to LA-LA-LAND. Honesty from a politician? They are programmed to lie as soon as they get elected. Not fair. Not all. Some are just trying to help their communities and then they later get sucked into that BIG DEEP POCKET of GREED!
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Wednesday March 17, 2010, 7:02 am
Some folks mock us here in Canada, say our system is falling down. But I say this, I take my Mom to get xrays and I walk in and leave in half an hour, I do not pay and I do not wait in long lines. If I want to see my Doctor today he has left a space in case of such events. I go and if I need a to have my blood taken I go from my Doctors to hospital and get it done and go out to lunch.. Sure there are flaws in this plan, but so far it is working for many of us, and has since I was a child. No one has ever asked me for money to get health care.

I know others here do not have it as good but when my cousin had a bike accident in another part of the country she was tended to with the greatest of care and had to have numerous operations as she had a fractrured spine, and many broken bones, and some internal damage. But all her injuries were cared for and the offer to air lift her home to her own part of the country and then came the work to repair the damage and that is the long haul stuff.. but she so loved her care and how kind everyone was to her, they put her daughter up in the hospital until arrangements could be made, and that lasted a month. This was all done and continues even now as recovery is long and hard, without so much as a penny being spent on health care. It may not be the best system in the world and there are abuses, but it is something I would never want to lose. But soon or later you know I will right?
 

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday March 17, 2010, 11:05 am
Thanks Sharon for sharing! Now, how soon can I move in with you?;)
Seriously, I WISH the U.S.A. had it that good!:) Even with Medicare we have to pay a Co-pay. And Doctors DO NOT Have to take Medicare or Medicaid patients! Which is Ridiculous!:(
 

Carmen S (69)
Wednesday March 17, 2010, 8:55 pm
Again I tell all you lovely people, I am for the health care for all(Option Preferd) but I am fighting for you people because truthfully I do not need it. Start taking some vitamine C, B Complex, E, A&D, and calcium for you ladies. It will keep you healthy till old age like me 83. I started at age thirty, thank God and now I am the healthiest old person you will find. No pains, no nothing just good health.. I am going to paste a picture of me on my profile the 21 of this month is my birthday and this picture was taken yesterday. So please look. And maybe it will make you think and say wow! Maybe Carmen is right, I better start so I can be a healthy young person.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday March 18, 2010, 5:49 am
Good for you Carmen. I did see your pictures. God bless you.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Sunday March 21, 2010, 11:32 pm
@Why is it the American people refuse to see the benefits of Universal Health Care as practised in Europe?

Hmmm, I don't think we refuse to see the benefits of universal health care. I think far too many CAN'T see universal health care as anything but USSR type Socialism, which scares the hell out of them.

If they could get past the fear of us turning into a socialist state, THEN they could see the benefits of universal health care.

Obama talked about a single-payer health care system during the campaign. But I think that's one reason he didn't win by a landslide. Because shortly after that, the loud and constant accusations of him being a socialist stuck in many minds.

But we made history and passed the health care reform bill. And with the fixes that will be debated from here on out (forever), hopefully it can only get better.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 24, 2010, 4:35 pm
As a Canadian I can honestly say that universal health care works, although it doesn't hurt to have a little extra money put aside if you want to have a private room. A friend of mine was in hospital in what they call a ward room, not to shabby and he was well looked after.
 

. (0)
Wednesday March 24, 2010, 4:38 pm
Thanks, Scott. That's good to know, but the US is still a long way away from universal health care.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 12:30 am
Kit as always thanks for the post.

Many people in developed economies such as Scott above have experience which shows that universal healthcare works.

Many of us just don't understand why Americans don't want universal healthcare when it is such a good investment in human capital. Education is another such worthwhile investment in human capital, and far more Americans attend public schools than Australians do. That is because we have private and public education, in the same way that we have private and public healthcare. People here have a choice, which is part of the essence of democracy.

Australia and the USA are nations of migrants. An Australian migrant who has taken out Australian citizenship, and resigned his/her citizenship elsewhere, may become Prime Minister. An American migrant, however, may not become President-Governor of a state yes--but not President. Why is that?
 

Jill P (64)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 8:40 am
The fight ain't over yet. Make singlepayer, medicare for All the issue for the this years elections in November. Demand that your danidates make single payer a priority.
Learn more, sign petitions, send faxes at;
Physicians for a National Health Plan
Healthcare Now
Health Justice
The California Nurses Association
Single Payer Action
Mobilization for Health Care for All
Medicare for All
Sign up with these groups and get notices of call in days to flood congress, and letter writing campaigns. The last group gives reminders for these.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 5:23 pm
Are there any accurate numbers for how many Americans WANT single-payer health care? I am all for campaigning for it, but I"m not sure that this is the right time, with mid-term elections coming up.

If we can PROVE that the majority of us WANT universal health care, I would say 'go for it.' But my impression is that the repubs are fear-mongering about us becoming a socialist nation. If we push for single payer BEFORE the elections, they'll use that to scare the voters away from single-payer candidates.

Wouldn't it be better to use these next 2 1/2 years to educate the public about what social programs really are? Wouldn't it be better to convince them that the social programs we have now are not leading us to a socilaist or communist nation? That our constitution prevents that from happening anyway?

The talk of HCR has never been so front and center before. And with all the people clammoring against the newly signed bill, now would be the time to pull THEM into learning about single-payer. Garner the support of all the people who were afraid of USSR style socialism. A campaign of education would help this cause for whomever is elected president in 2012.

And of course, keep signing those petitions and sending those faxes.

Cheers!
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 6:51 pm
Interesting thought Deanna though when I consider that this discussion actually began in 1905 I am discouraged that another year or two will change anything.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 7:47 pm
The reason I think this extra time has a better chance to change things is because it's fresh in our minds right now. AND so many people are so angry, we can get their attention by offering a cost effective alternative that doesn't put us at risk of losing our rights.

But it has to be PROVEN to be cost effective. And it has to be PROVEN that we won't lose our rights. And for those messages to get thru, we have to PROVE that social programs are not socialism. And the only way to do that is to educate.

If we spend the next 2 1/2 years educating the public about the truths of social programs (which means touting our CURRENT social programs (swing it any way necessary)) THEN we can get be confident in approaching the candidates and asking them to promise to fight for legislation for this.

I have to stress this because of the ignorance of SO MANY **VOTERS**. Remember the Tea Party sign that said "Keep govt out of my medicare."? I'm STILL coming across that attitude here, even as recently as yesterday. There are too many voters, repubs AND dems, who don't have a clue to the truth of ANY issue they vote on. They just listen to the talking heads and vote like them.

So, it would be important to seek out the celebrity supporters of socialized medicine, and try to get some of them to start speaking out on it, slowly at first. A producer who is a little less controversial than Michael Moore, can produce a well-researched image of what socialied medicine could or would look like in today's USA.

There has been very little education on the pros of socialized ANYTHING. We've only gotten the cons of the USSR and the cold war and the millions murdered under socialized dictatorships.

It's time to do consistent education, knowing that it will take time for people to absorb what they're hearing. It takes a LOT of time to convince people that the very real and known reasons for fear from the past, are no longer valid for the present.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 10:10 pm
Mary,
I think the answer to your question is because there is much less chance of native-born presidents having loyalties to any other country. I like that safety feature.
 
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