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Is Wikileaks Release of the War Logs Afghaistan's Cronkite Moment?


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Kit
- 3282 days ago - huffingtonpost.com
Afghanistan has a history of being unconquerable by foreign forces, something we witnessed first-hand when we helped the mujahideen repel the Soviet Union after its 1979 invasion. What was supposed to make our military action in Afghanistan different-->



   

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Nancy M (147)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:03 pm
Great article. Thanks Kit.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:23 pm
Noted. Thanks, Kit. I can't think of any president or presidential candidate since Bobby Kennedy that said it was not the job of the US to police the world.
 

Chien Chao (105)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 6:47 pm
no war!!1
 

William K (308)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:54 pm
This is what gets me:
"President Obama has frequently noted that there is no solution to the Afghan question without also addressing Pakistan, a country that receives billions of dollars in American aid. If the Pakistani government is aiding the Taliban, it seems that we have bigger problems than just trying to prop up the Karzai government until it can take over governing the country without us."

I think a more obvious point is missed: we are providing billions of doallrs in aid to Pakistan which they then give to the Taliban to fight us. Our own aid money is being used against us.
 

Terry B (649)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:45 am
Bring the kids home now, take the money wasted on Pakistan-Talibanistan and use it to get jobs for the returnees and other Americans.

When is the United States going to get its priorities right?
 

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:07 am
There is both good and bad in the concept of releasing classified information.

"(CBS/AP) Operatives inside Afghanistan and Pakistan who have worked for the U.S. against the Taliban or al Qaeda may be at risk following the disclosure of thousands of once-secret U.S. military documents, former and current officials said..... "Our focus really, frankly, is to try to determine if there is anything in these 90,000 pages of documents that could indeed endanger our forces; we've got a team doing that round the clock," Morrell told anchor Erica Hill. "This was dumped on us like it was dumped on you all Sunday night.

"It would have been nice had this organization had the decency to come to us and work with us to try to figure out if there's anything in here that could endanger our forces. We were not given that luxury," he said....."

WikiLeaks Puts Afghan Agents at Risk

 

Shirley H (49)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:28 pm
I say we cut out losses and get the heck out of there. This is a loosing battle - no more American's serving in the Armed Forces should die. War is Hell - anyone who wants to stay and fight a war that we will never win is crazy. For what it is worth, that is my opinion.
Shirley H.
 

pam M (98)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:51 pm
We need to bring our children home and let the Afghanistan and Pakistan fight their own battles and create their own government. The US is a very poor example of democracy, and are ill equipped to tell or show another entity how to run a country.

We need to clean up our own backyard. Our leaders brag that America if forward thinking, but we've yet to destroy racism, hate, greed and corruption in our businesses and government. Our nation has children who are starving and afraid to go to sleep at night.

We have the homeless with no place to lay their heads. This money would be better spent in strengthening our nations young through better education, teaching and implementation of morals and providing a decent health-care system that does not discriminate.

Bring our warriors home, clean up our messes here and guard our borders against those who would do us harm because of our way of life. America is unable to change the world, especially those with a belief system thousands of years older than our own. It's a terrible waste of human life and precious time.
 

Ron Avila (20)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:13 pm
I hope this is the turning point.
 

Ancil S (175)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:16 pm
I agree strongly with Pamela M. on this one. I think this wiki-leaks report is a turning point just like back in '68. We need to bring the troops home and dare I suggest stopping all foreign aid to other countries so we can help fellow Americans who are homeless,jobless,and otherwise downtrodden from this economy.And,get the budget back in balance.
 

Marlyn Vega (1)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:37 pm
no more wars
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:26 pm

Thanks Kit--excellent post; like Ancil S. I agree with Pamela M.
 

josie batlles (44)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:07 pm
Interesting article thank you! x
 

nobo dy (24)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:53 am
thanks
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:11 am
I sure hope this is Obama's Cronkite moment.
 

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:54 am
Will ever know the entire story in 90,00+ pages of "secret" but not "Top Secret" documents? We know a little more about the amounts of money we are spending, we know Pakistan playing both ends against the middle - what a shocker! We know our soldiers are both trying to give aide in local villages in Afghanistan, and fight the Taliban, that some accept them as help, some do not. Yet, they are soldiers, trained to fight not to be diplomats. If Afghanistan wanted a strong and effective central government then the few that do vote just might have begun that process before now. For the majority of people poverty is all they have known for generations, the land is poor, the terrain a nightmare of dry mountains and valleys, and some how without the aid of the US these people have survived for thousands of years. Who are we to impose democracy on anyone?

The US government currently subsidizes the larger portion of gasoline in your car, if American citizens paid full price our gas might 7-8.00 dollars a gallon, and that is why we are there, the possibility of cheaper gas from a new oil pipeline. So what is slightly cheaper at the pump, increases taxes, prevents jobs programs, leaves the infrastructure in disrepair, prevents aggressive research into sustainable fuel sources; causes dissension within our country and other countries that have troops there and makes the US appear on the world stage as a war monger. Is it worth it?
 

eileen k (1)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:23 pm
TX, Kit, for your eye-opening article. Like Ancil, I agree with Pamela. Instead of wasting lives, $$$$$$$$$$$$, and time trying in vain to modernize a culture centuries old, we must clean up our own backyard; e.g., rid our government of corruption; provide assistance to those Americans in need through job training, education, etc.; and, most of all, return to the values put forth by this nation's Founding Fathers; that is, a strong moral compass for all of us to follow.

Instead of criticizing WikiLeaks for revealing the truth for the entire world to see, the US Government should learn from this revelation, as what the Nixon Government did in the early 1970's. By the time the Pentagon Papers had been released, then CBS Senior Correspondent Walter Kronkite had uttered the inevitable " The war in Vietnam is lost"; and, not much later, Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese Communists.

This one truth should be studied by every single US Government official; that is, you cannot fight a people and win. This fact has been proven correct every time, from the beginnings of civilization up to today. Afghanistan is a case in point. Alexander the Great was the first to attempt at conquest of Afghanistan, but gave up after native tribesmen used hit-and-run tactics to continuously harrass his forces; then, vanish back into their caves. Centuries later, Ghengis Khan and his Mongol hordes made their way toward Afghanistan; but decided to bypass the extremely rugged, mountainous terrain instead. In the 19th Century, the British tried to conquer this region twice but failed. Then, in the 20th came the Soviets; and, after ten years of trying to subdue the warlike tribes, they, too, were driven out. Unfortunately, the US and its allies failed to learn from history and are now losing this war.
 

Kit B (276)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:04 am
FYI: The Cronkite moment refers to the time when Walter Cronkite returned from Vietnam and took a few minutes from non-biased news, told the audience this was only his personal observations but he did not believe we the United States could win much of anything from our efforts in Vietnam. LBJ's reaction was near horror - 'if Cronkite has turned against this we are in deep sh*t!' That's the ways it was...back then we had news announcers, rarely did they spew opinions and then only after clearly telling the audience this was a personal opinion and not a fact.
 

Cindy Black (61)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:17 pm
I so agree with all of you who believe we should get the heck out of Afghanistan. I remember being very small (very long ago!) and I asked my grandfather what "Afghanistan" was. He told me that "It's a country that's always at war...seems like they just don't know how to get along." Thus it was, and thus it is. We have no hope of winning there, and I am grateful to the leakers for helping more people to see that.
 
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