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Information is the currency of democracy. -Thomas Jefferson Since 9/11, the US government, through Presidents Bush and Obama, has increasingly told the US public that "state secrets" will not be shared with citizens. **Good Read**


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Kit B (276)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 5:04 pm
Information is the currency of democracy.
-Thomas Jefferson

Since 9/11, the US government, through Presidents Bush and Obama, has increasingly told the US public that "state secrets" will not be shared with citizens. Candidate Obama pledged to reduce the use of state secrets, but President Obama continued the Bush tradition. The courts, Congress and international allies have gone meekly along with the escalating secrecy demands of the US Executive.

By labeling tens of millions of documents secret, the US government has created a huge vacuum of information.
But information is the lifeblood of democracy. Information about government contributes to a healthy democracy. Transparency and accountability are essential elements of good government. Likewise, "a lack of government transparency and accountability undermines democracy and gives rise to cynicism and mistrust," according to a 2008 Harris survey commissioned by the Association of Government Accountants.

Into the secrecy vacuum stepped Private Bradley Manning, who, according to the Associated Press, was able to defeat "Pentagon security systems using little more than a Lady Gaga CD and a portable computer memory stick."

Manning apparently sent the information to Wikileaks - a nonprofit media organization that specializes in publishing leaked information. Wikileaks in turn shared the documents to other media around the world, including The New York Times, and published much of the documents' contents on its website.

Despite criminal investigations by the U.S. and other governments, it is not clear that media organizations like Wikileaks can be prosecuted in the U.S., in light of the First Amendment. Recall that the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Outraged politicians are claiming that the release of government information is the criminal equivalent of terrorism and puts innocent people's lives at risk. Many of those same politicians authorized the modern equivalent of carpet bombing of Baghdad and other Iraqi cities, the sacrifice of thousands of lives of soldiers and civilians and drone assaults on civilian areas in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Their anger at a document dump, no matter how extensive, is more than a little suspect.

Everyone, including Wikileaks and the other media reporting on what the documents reveal, hopes that no lives will be lost because of this flood of information. So far, it appears those hopes have been met: McClatchy Newspapers reported November 28, 2010, that "US officials conceded that they have no evidence to date that the [prior] release of documents led to anyone's death."

The U.S. has been going in the wrong direction for years by classifying millions of documents as secrets. Wikileaks and other media that report these so-called secrets will embarrass people, yes. Wikileaks and other media will make leaders uncomfortable, yes. But embarrassment and discomfort are small prices to pay for a healthier democracy.

Wikileaks has the potential to make transparency and accountability more robust in the U.S. That is good for democracy.

by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-ed


Robert S (111)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 5:07 pm

Ralph R Sutton (56)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 9:12 pm
It is not only good for democracy, but also good for the entire world. No government, corporation or financial institution should feel safe from having their dirty little secrets brought to the light of day. Even if they do succeed in shutting down WikiLeaks, the cat is out of the bag now and others will continue to publish those hidden secrets.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 6:31 am
Right On. Ralph! Who ever dares to expose the truth can expect to treated badly and Assange is being treated now as a sexual predator, how very convenient these charges.

Personally, I found very little in the recent Wikileaks to be all that revealing - but the idea of any knowledge not spoon fed to us must really get under someones skin. I doubt the revelation within this actually put the King of Saudi in grave danger or that Gaddafi is actually embarrassed that we know he has a mistress, and really who cares? I want to know what the government is actually doing verses what is says.
Just too many years of lies, too many wars that never should have been. Like it or not - the public does have a right to know - it is our children that must fight and die in wars for profit.

Terry King (113)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 7:47 am
What goes around comes around! Welcome to scrutiny big brother!

Caitlin M (104)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:35 am
Are their any glass houses and stones in the mix?

Caitlin M (104)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:36 am
spelling error above: should be 'there'

Charmaine C (177)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:45 am
Right Ralph! Too many people who are morally and ethically bankrupt hide behind secrecy. It's time they are exposed so we can see who they are.

Harry Schneider (43)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:56 am
Thank you very much Kitty, that is the best article I have read in this year. It is more than obvious that Mr. Assange should be criminalized. We all kow that American military and secret forces like the "National Sucker Organization" don`t give a damn for rights or the Constitution, they lie, betray and murder in the whole world and even their own people, if they get in their way. And to influence the American public, they have created the instrument of disinformation, paid by those, whom they betray and manipulate!
It is for good reason that "free spech" and "free press" in all reasonable Constitutions of the world have the highest priority. And for the same reasons our first presidents always warned public with sentences, dunning their citizens to keep an open eye on those, who have the might to rule.
But well knowing that many Americans often base their decisions on emotions rather than on rationality, politicians have optimized that instrument for their political play during the last forty years.
Instead of making that soldier from the helicopter, who was a real hero, to stand up for truth against the almighty American military, uncovering their dirty lies, this brave man is now arrested and sued. The criminal American military can go on like before. They are just above the Constitution, and the few who dare to investigate, are silenced with the poor statement of "national security", violating nearly all constitutional rights, that every American has.
Mr. Assange and this soldier have done more for peace and democracy, than many American presidents, who have even been offered a Nobel Prize, for whatever reason. In this country no real ethical values are anymore valid. More than half of the responsibles of the Senat and the House are corrupt to the bone and should be in jail, but not on a seat for governmental decisions for America`s future.

Brittany D (28)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 10:51 am
The government does not want us to know it's been messing up the world more than we know about. That's what all of this is about.. Assange has done nothing wrong.

Bill C (353)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 11:31 am
If you believe that behinds the scene venting and disolution of personal conflict before engagment is not healthy, you live in an unrealistic world. Not only will there never be any "open" book on world politics it has nothing to do with free speech.

Try recording a phone conversation in Fla and use it. you will go to jail but do so in NC and it is legal. Also not a free speech issue...or is it? Should a government that documents all the background that goes with diplomacy (?) or just stop the documentation? Assange is a criminal if he was in anyway involved in the stealing of the documents thru offer to buy, he is also charged with 2 counts of rape so he is likley not the political giant cause of freedom you gift him, he is a hacker, a charged rapist and is doing this for personal gain.

He knows all the conspiritcy "buffs" will jump on anything that someone makes them feel right, I am supprised Jessie Ventura is not involved. I will say this,m my father is one of the combat survivers still alive from WWll, his opnion of what Assnge did is treason as he (like myself) feel Assnge set this up, set up the theft and is making money doing so.


Past Member (0)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 1:00 pm
"And the truth shall set you free."

Susan Ayres-Lynch (126)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 1:02 pm
Great read. Thanks!

Carol H (229)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 1:24 pm
noted with thanks

John Goodspeed (79)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 1:28 pm
I actually think that the American Politicians reaction to WikiLeaks is nothing other than terror.

Terror that Assange will target them. So far the Democrats, Republicans, Teapartiers, and Libertarians (who are nothing more than independents that love money in their pocket - so they'll always slide to the right) are using "Attack ads", and distortions, and outright lies against their opponents.

I think they are all scared s--t---s that WikiLeaks will find their secret memo to their best friend that say something like (Dear Ronnie, I know you are pro-choice just as I am, but if you don't become pro-life real quick you will never become President)* and make sure everybody knows about it.

I'm sure many Democrats have something equally hard to explain in their past as well that they fear Assnge and his people may find.

Wouldn't it be awful if the Politicians had to be honest for a change - NOT!

Yes, I can see very clearly why the word out of Washington DC and many other places is that WikiLeaks is dangerous. But it's not dangerous to me, and it might save the lives of a whole bunch of presently living soldiers if it gets us out of Afghanistan quicker. It might even pevent a future war from happening if all the true facts are known before the shooting starts.

Just think what world history would have been like if WikiLeaks existed before we got into the war I fought in -Vietnam. Sure as hell we wouldn't have gone to war to prop up a CIA operation designed to keep a friendly but incompetent and unpopular government from being voted out in a promised national referrendum.

And, by the way, it is now all but certain that the rape charges against Assnge were trumped up by a government just as afraid of his outfit as ours is.


John Goodspeed (79)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 1:30 pm
* Nancy had that discussion with Ronnie. If you make me hunt up the citation I will, in time, find it.

Krasimira B (175)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 2:22 pm
Totally agree with the author. Noted, thank you Kit for the great read.

Ralph R Sutton (56)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 2:33 pm
Bill C., being charged and being convicted are two complete separate things. I would venture a guess that if new leaked documents came to light you would find the good ole USA has been putting a lot of pressure on governments all over the place to get Assange before he can publish more secrets being hidden from the world.

. (0)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 2:38 pm
Before the technology age, the world knew NOTHING about what was going on behind the scenes in government. In my hear of hears this I feel was a good thing.
Why di the world need to know were on the brink of nuclear war with Russia during the Bay of Pigs? If leaks got out during WW2, we would have never won the war. Our success lied in our ability to surprise the enemy. D-Day would have never happened if the German's were leaked information via the net.
Our ability to have coded information sent, that the Germans could not break is what saved the free world.
Withe the internet, freedom would have been up for grabs, the war would have gone on longer, and thousands of soldiers would have died.
You will never convince me this information tool is good for democracy.

greenplanet e (155)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:08 pm
people should know the truth about what is happening in the world.

Debbie Hogan (115)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:13 pm
Regardless of whether Assange is exposing all of this for our benefit or for his own, the fact that this crap is coming out at all speaks very ill of the so-called "leaders" of this country...and I for one am getting extremely tired and frustrated from hearing about it. Whatever happened to honesty...? Depressing...Infuriating...

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:17 pm
Even before the Internet there were expose's of documents that gave information to the public about what was going on "behind the scene." Please remember Daniel Ellsberg and the "Pentagon Papers".

John Goodspeed (79)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:17 pm
Well, Allan Y., if the information that could prevent got us from into all those scrapes had been available from some source such as WikiLeaks that would have been good, wouldn't.

Not only that the WikiLeaks is almost exclusively interested in issues of wrong doing. Machine gunning Reuters reporters from an Army Blackhawk helicopter, etc. There has never been anything like leaking the particulars about the upcoming D-Day landings. Much more likely would be somebody in Nazi Germany leaking information to WikiLeaks about what's happening in the Concentration Camps of Auschwitz and Buchenwald.

But go on, you right wing jerk, spin your web of unlikely or impossible scenarios that you imagine that might actually compromise some righteous action to be taken by "The West." I'm sure that is your intention anyway.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:22 pm
Thanks Kit for post and discussion.

Given that frank and informative communication is necessary for constructive decision making, many people don't like their thoughts being posted on the web, published in newspapers, or discussed on television.

This may be one of those occasions where 'we' want to know what 'they' think, but don't want 'them' to know what 'we' think.

We all need to remember that since Frank McNamara invented the Diners' Club Card (1950), confidentiality has been on the way out; developments in technology and communication have made that more and more evident. The best that people can hope for, is that their 'secrets' remain undisclosed until they have attended to the task at hand.

One way to remain at least PARTLY anonymous is to pay cash, write nothing down, phone nobody, and do deals outside.

Additionally if all were both polite and circumspect many of the remarks causing trouble with these leaks might not have done so. e.g. Russia might or might not be a 'Mafia State', so it is not a wise idea to call it that in a cable.

All of the above ignores that much done in secret would not be done in public, so there are great benefits to all in freedom of speech.

I note that Christ, Gandhi, and Mandela did nothing wrong but were arrested, tried, and punished for 'sedition'. As John said, Assange is currently being pursued for rape, not truth related crimes. In the meantime why don't the powers that be do something useful, such as extending social security benefits, fixing the international financial system, or dealing with climate change?

Susan Pernot (75)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:30 pm
Assange sure opened the eyes of the country. Good for democracy? Not sure

Jae A (316)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:33 pm

You cannot currently send a star to John because you have done so within the last week.

Their boots are made for marching,that's just what they'll do, and one of these days their boots will march right over you..
...and me and the rest of 'the American people'.

Mike S (86)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:40 pm
Thanks for this great article.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 3:54 pm
I do think this effort at exposing any attempt to hide from the public is worthy of recognition. After reading this newest "dump" (Assange choice of words) by wiki leak, I think much of it reads a little like a Hollywood gossip magazine and not exactly what I was expecting. Still it just might remind them we are interested we do read what is presented to us, and darn - our government really is not as bad as we thought. I do not think the King of Saudi is all that exposed and he does have more body guards then a rock star. Qaddafi is probably not embarrassed for us to know he has a mistress - may even be strutting with a touch of pride, he is not a young man.

Yet we are told that lives have put in danger because of these leaks...really? Or is that just another example of - "look here, don't look there" in a quick response to make this seem more dangerous then it is. Did people say stupid things that may embarrass some of them - sure. So what? Over the time that wiki leaks has given us information have we gained some insight - if we read the documents - then yes. Do these documents reveal troop movements and thereby put lives in danger? Nope, not so far.

Maryjane P (43)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 4:39 pm
What a mess.

Marilyn K (50)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:06 pm
Does exposing the government by hacking into government files make it right? How do we know what harm will come to our nation from this exposure of information? I guess we will know when the hammer falls!

Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:06 pm
Isn't it odd that republicans and democrats like Palin, Gingrich, Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Gibbs and others can come together against someone (Assange's of Wikileaks), for exposing details that our democracy and corporate media is supposed to expose, but these same politicians can't raise their voices to agree on an unemployment extension for Americans who have lost their jobs and can't find another job?

Then they can also get together to censor Rangel, who probably deserve to be censored, but what about the more serious crime of allowing our government to be taken over by corporatist? Thanks John.

Mac R (289)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:16 pm
Bill C you and people who think like you are why we are where we are. You enable secrecy which is rarely ever good for democracy. Ever wonder why people insisted on "sunshine laws" for our government? It's because they know that if not watched constantly government WILL go wrong. Obviously some things need to remain secret, especially foreign affairs, but not every little detail, and as has been pointed out, these leaks are not vital secrets that endanger missions or lives.

Embarrassing our government is not treason, you reactionary pinhead.

. (5)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:21 pm
Thank 'god' for Julian Assage and WikiLeaks. Is it not time to reveal the secrets of the US government, including the lies they tell to start wars? Transparency is cloaked in leather coats. It's time they came off. Thanks for the story Kit.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:24 pm
Well said Mac and personally I would be far more concerned about any government that is in jeopardy because of some leaks.

. (5)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:39 pm
Since 9/11 the entire world has lived in fear of 'terrorist' attacks. Let;s get real and drop the media/government/US war machine rubbish?

Jean A (14)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:41 pm
Right now he is (Assange) the fall guy but they have to catch him first and as it travels around the world we will hear many accusations because He has slapped the worlds face. These great so called leaders? sure maybe years ago but now? never. I read the Harry Truman biography and wonder if anyone like him is still alive. I guess Jimmy Carter was honest and is still doing good with Habitat for Humanity. WikiLeaks is the voice of Democracy and we should be glad someone had the guts to do this. The cat is out of the bag now.

Hartson Doak (39)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:48 pm
This whole thing is bogus. Wiki leaks has done the world a service. They should get a standing ovation at the UN. The US policies are an affront to the world. It's hypocrisy should be exposed.

Charlene Rush (2)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 5:50 pm
These leaks illustrate the secretiveness with which our and other governments engage. If for no other reason, to become informed is a good thing.

The amount of information, that possibly, should be kept from the public, should most certainly, be in the minority, not the majority.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 6:03 pm
Exactly Shakespeare - the media feeds the FEAR cycle which in turn is fed and nurtured by the governments. Think this might just be a control issue?

I do hope every one takes the time to actually read all of the leaks to date. As I said, it is good to know that our government is not as bad as we might have expected.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 7:10 pm
Chances are that the only lives that will be threatened by Wikileaks will be the lifestyles and corrupt politics of the politicians that have something to hide.

Transparency of government is key to a successful democracy and traitors like Bush, who signed a presidential order allowing martial law to be declared at the President's discretion and slipped it through under the radar of the press and, subsequently, the American people that would not stand for it, had they known.

Susan S (187)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 7:51 pm
I heard a rumour that there is an attempt being made to blame a 22 year old for this whole fiasco. Does this seems like an attempt to scapegoat or frame someone because it seems hard to believe that someone that young could be responsible for this one.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 7:56 pm
I believe Bradley Manning is 22 or 23 years of age. He is the Intelligence analyst being held on charges for collecting the information for Assange.

Michael Carney (217)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:07 pm

ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 8:40 pm
thanx Kit, a lot of good comments. I wonder if Pfc Manning is a scapegoat. How could a very low ranking soldier have access to such information. Maybe the info is not so sensitive until now? Who knows anything for sure? Let see what good comes out of this.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 9:14 pm
Thanks Kit and Chan Tlolok Rain.

Pfc Manning might or might not be a scapegoat, but lack of confidentiality means many people can gain access to much information simply by knowing how the system works, and how to tap into it, which an intelligence analyst would probably be able to do.

. (5)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 9:30 pm
Democrasy? Youve got to be joking! The rich and greedy are surviving on a pack of lies.

Mac R (289)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 9:41 pm
You can bet your bottom dollar Pfc Manning will be made an example of, in the strongest possible way. They will most likely try him for treason or espionage. I'm almost positive they've already long ago made releasing state secrets a federal crime, so they have plenty of ammo to fry him with, and it will be brutal. And it will be televised because they want everyone in a position to do what Manning did to know that you can get away with raping the country, you can steal from thousands of people and throw them out of their homes and you can kill the gulf of Mexico and you can deny people coverage and let them die, but you CANNOT get away with embarrassing our government!

Linda G (187)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 10:33 pm
I thought I heard that there were 28,000 or so documents in this latest release. Can anyone let me know? My only concern with leaks of this size is that no one has had the time yet or probably even the expertise to go through all the documents so we don't know if it's only government plots and secrets and gossip or not.
I am a huge proponent of transparency as it keeps much evil from being perpetrated. I am concerned about documents naming names of those innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan who have secretly cooperated with us whose lives could be at risk. Of course the argument can also be made that war by its very nature kills innocents and we should just bring our troops home. Wish I was an expert or had time to read all the leaked documents but relying just on various articles by and large the leaks seem more beneficial to me than not and perhaps will lead to greater transparency and accountability.

Rose Becke (141)
Friday December 3, 2010, 12:15 am
They will hunt him down

tony lane (3)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:04 am
it would be if it was impartial which it is not,there is no mention from wikileaks about the war mongering rogue nations that are ISRAEL,the USA and the UK,most of the real whistleblowers have been murdered or silenced already so if wikileaks were saying anything that they did not want you to hear they would be dead also.

Jo Hofreiter (20)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:07 am

Grace Adams (43)
Friday December 3, 2010, 3:40 am
Embarrassing the government is a good thing. Hopefully, embarrassment will make government officials more careful about what they do and say. If any government employee's life is endangered by leaks, the government owes it to the threatened employee to use the federal witness protection program to get that employee to safety.

Robert S (111)
Friday December 3, 2010, 7:14 am
When we find out things like this, and by knowing understand, how can it be a bad thing? Better to know one has been betrays then to be betrayed, and know not.

Colin Hope (201)
Friday December 3, 2010, 8:40 am
Noted and signed!!

Past Member (0)
Friday December 3, 2010, 10:31 am
Noted, thanks John.

Mary Carmen Gomez Vega (2)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:06 pm
Things are getting warmer, with this Leaking......They `^`Goverments`^ should think twice before they show their other ugly face....Yes the one they dont want us to know.

Past Member (0)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:19 pm
Now the air has been cleared and there are no longer secrets.

Information is the best education that anyone can have.

Katherine L (7)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:30 pm
Tranparency in our government is productive. We should be at war anyway. No Bin Laden, no WMD, it's the oil dummy! the oil! so if we don't do anything WRONG like invade countries under false pretences, we shouldn't have to worry about a thing when the report cards are handed out. Right? We're the good guys right? We have a good and honest government right?

Katherine L (7)
Friday December 3, 2010, 1:31 pm
oop, I meant we 'shouldn't" be at war. typo.

Gabe B (38)
Friday December 3, 2010, 2:15 pm
a True double edge sword, While Free information is important for govermental transparency, what is the REAL LIFE Cost in lifes lost for this release. And who is paying that? Our soldiers? Points to ponder. Thanks Kit!

Mary L (132)
Friday December 3, 2010, 2:42 pm
Um because people can see just how trivial and venal day to day government is?

Friday December 3, 2010, 3:37 pm
blessed be his spirit...what a face...

linda G (24)
Sunday December 5, 2010, 2:51 am
Terry King summed it all up in a few words I'd like to repeat. What goes around, comes around.

Julie I (51)
Sunday December 5, 2010, 6:52 pm
It's good for the people, bad for the Government. Isn't Democracy for the people? Then why wouldn't it be good for both? Makes you think. What we don't know can't harm us, or can it? It's time to squeegee my third eye...

Robert S (111)
Sunday December 5, 2010, 6:59 pm
It should be no secret that polls lie through there teeth. Their discomfort at being exposed will be expressed as indignation of course at the utter gall of any who might shine the light. Oh, the horror!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 7, 2010, 9:54 am
Let the light into all the darkest corners of Machiavellian government.
Pfc Manning for the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize.

Well, we can dream.

Penelope P (222)
Tuesday December 7, 2010, 11:32 am
seemsthe founding fathers had the rif=ght idea-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

One idea behind the freedom of the press was to give the public the facts -The idea behing freedom of petition
and assembly was so that the government could know how the people were feeling and evert sedition and revolt

These new Terrorist laws etc combined with the bias of the press towards advertisers and government mean that it is unlikely quite often that these mechanismsare surviving and opinion polls are a poor substitute as the questions are frequently biased and are open to preconception when interpretation takes place

jane richmond (10)
Friday December 10, 2010, 12:02 pm
noted-- somethings are best left unsaid

Carina Engstrom (8)
Sunday December 12, 2010, 12:14 pm
I watched a documentary about Wikileaks tonight on Swedish television and some videos from the shooting of innocent people in Iraq by american soldiers made me sick. Seen them before but it still makes me sick. I wonder about the charges against Assange about the rape of two women in Sweden - why do I get the feeling that someone has been well paid?

wooddragon xx (88)
Tuesday December 14, 2010, 2:52 pm
Thanks Kit. Carina, I watched the documentary too. It can be upsetting for some people, so you are warned. Here is the link: - It is about 1 hour long.

Another link you may be interested in to:

Iceland may ban MasterCard, Visa over WikiLeaks censorship.
Credit card companies that prevented card-holders from donating money to the secrets outlet WikiLeaks could have their operating licenses taken away in Iceland, according to members of the Icelandic Parliamentary General Committee.
This is shocking and I am totally outraged too. As said in the comments, Visa/mastercard except money from terrorists & fanatics - But you cannot support the wikileaks cause!!! mmmmmm.....

Peace to you...

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Sunday November 6, 2011, 7:35 am
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